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EARNERTON.
06-17-2005, 09:06 AM
Check this thing out people, there looking to take out this brother, for real, no joke bizness, check this thing out an, you know, when an if you have the time, definetly write or call up that judge an, you know, represent, the details are down below, there looking to blatantly railroad this brother on flimsy charges for his political beliefs an nuthin more, you see what I'm saying, its real...

STOP THE CONSPIRACY TO FRAMEUP AND MURDER MUMIA ABU-JAMAL!
Posted byFatirah on Thursday, June 09 @ 08:22:47 PDT
Contributed by Fatirah

ATTENTION: JUDGE MASSIAH-JACKSON, CONGRESSMAN FATTAH, MAYOR STREET, NATIONAL AND PHILADELPHIA NAACP, ALL OTHER POLITICAL, RELIGIOUS, NATIONAL AND COMMUNITY LEADERS AND PEOPLE OF GOOD WILL:

Once again, Mumia Abu-Jamal, an innocent man on Pennsylvania’s Death Row for 23 years, is being denied justice because the court system is violating his right to due process, to the consideration of relevant evidence, and to a new and fair trial, if not his immediate release. Judge Pamela Dembe, in the Court of Common Pleas, has hammered another nail into the coffin they’re preparing for Mumia by rubberstamping the record of the notorious “Hanging Judge” Albert Sabo.

The whole world denounced Mumia Abu-Jamal’s trial and his Post Conviction Relief Appeal (PCRA) held in 1982 and 1995 respectively in the courtroom of Judge Albert Sabo. Legal groups such Amnesty International, the International Association of Democratic Lawyers, the Criminal Justice Institute at Harvard Law School, the National Lawyers Guild, and the National Conference of Black Lawyers detailed the many violations of US and international laws that Sabo committed. World leaders such as Nelson Mandela, then President of South Africa, Bishop Desmond Tutu, French President Jacques Chirac, the Japanese Diet (Japan’s legislative body), and the US Congressional Black Caucus denounced the trial and PCRA as being unjust, illegal, and racist. Religious leaders, writers, artists, and other intellectuals from across the globe expressed outrage at the conviction and death sentence imposed on Mumia, and millions petitioned and marched to demand Mumia’s freedom or at the very least a new and fair trial.

Now after four years of Mumia’s case being before Judge Pamela Dembe , we see a pattern of supporting all of Sabo’s rulings, with the only difference being that Dembe’s decisions have been made in the absence of Mumia or his supporters in the courtroom. There is a deafening silence from many of those who were so outraged only ten years ago. WE CANNOT REMAIN SILENT WHILE THE RAILROADING OF MUMIA TOWARD EXECUTION OR LIFE IN PRISON CONTINUES. THE ATTEMPT TO KILL MUMIA IS NOT FOR ANY CRIME HE COMMITTED. IT IS FOR HIS UNCOMPROMISING POLITICAL POSITIONS AND HIS ELOQUENCE IN EXPRESSING THEM. Refusing to include evidence pointing to Mumia’s innocence in the record prevents the higher courts from reviewing these critical affidavits.

What Judge Dembe has done is deny Mumia his constitutional and human right to a fair judicial process. She has sustained every decision Sabo made and refused to introduce extremely relevant and crucial material pointing to Mumia’s innocence. When Mumia’s attorneys submitted an affidavit by someone who said that it was he, and not Mumia, who killed Officer Faulkner, and this affidavit supported other witnesses’ versions of what happened on the night of December 9, 1981, Judge Dembe dismissed the confession as “untimely”. Similarly, she declared affidavits from Mumia and his brother presenting their side of what happened that night as also “untimely”. When Mumia and his lawyers fought for Mumia’s right to be present at his hearing in August 2001, Judge Dembe allowed prison officials to revoke Mumia’s scheduled court appearance in Philadelphia. When Mumia and his lawyers presented an affidavit from a highly credible court stenographer who heard Judge Sabo say in 1982, in the supposed privacy of another courtroom, “Yeah, and I’m going to help ‘em fry the ******”, Judge Dembe ruled that that testimony should not be introduced into the record. Unable to argue that it was “untimely”, she presented the ridiculous explanation that even if Sabo had actually made the comment the witness alleged he did, it did not prove that his decisions were affected by this expressed intention. Also, she said the issue of Sabo’s racism had already been raised earlier and so did not need to be reviewed again. When presented with two new affidavits this year pointing to Mumia’s innocence, Dembe cancelled a scheduled hearing to present the evidence and, now on May 27th she has ruled that this evidence is to be excluded from the record, thus preventing a serious consideration of Mumia’s innocence in the higher courts.

JOIN US FOR OUTREACH, PROTEST AND RESISTANCE ON:

THURSDAY JUNE 16th, ON THE WEST SIDE OF CITY HALL IN PHILADELPHIA, AT 12 NOON

June 16th will be the last day Mumia can file for “reconsideration” of Dembe’s ruling. We must let the courts know that we will not be quiet in the face of this outrageous and continuous process to kill and SILENCE OUR BROTHER MUMIA.

For more information call :

International Concerned Family and Friends of Mumia Abu-Jamal

(215) 476-8812 or Free Mumia Abu Jamal Coalition (NYC) (212) 927-2924

Also, call Judge Frederica A. Massiah-Jackson, Pamela Dembe’s supervisor, at (215) 686-2523 to let her know how outraged you are by Judge Dembe’s decisions. Tell her you think the evidence of Mumia’s innocence must be included in the record! You can even quote from the excerpts below.

“Juries can only be accurate assessors of events if they are given a complete view of the facts – including any differing explanations and interpretations of events … These factors were clearly missing in Abu-Jamal’s trial… Amnesty International has determined that numerous aspects of this case clearly failed to meet minimum international standards safeguarding the fairness of legal proceedings … the interests of justice would best be served by the granting of a new trial to Mumia Abu-Jamal” From Amnesty International’s The Case of Mumia Abu-Jamal: A Life in the Balance

“A grave injustice is about to be committed. We are rushing to execute someone in the face of ample evidence that his constitutional rights have been denied, that he did not receive a fair trial, and most importantly, that he may be innocent…we urge you … to have Judge Sabo recuse himself from this case” and that “he is granted a new trial”. From the Congressional Black Caucus letter to Attorney General Janet Reno, initiated by Congressman Chaka Fattah, on June 30, 1995.

dooboy
06-17-2005, 09:22 AM
FREE MUMIA

i'm from the uk and it disgusts me that this is still happening and a fair trial seems like its not gonna happen.

do most americans know about the Mumia case?

stayshigh
06-17-2005, 01:17 PM
FREE MUMIA

i'm from the uk and it disgusts me that this is still happening and a fair trial seems like its not gonna happen.

do most americans know about the Mumia case?
I doubt it , most americans are more concerned about american idol + brad and angelina.

EARNERTON.
06-18-2005, 12:13 PM
more people in postions of power an influence need to know about this full stop, you know, I mean, I'm not being funny or nuthin, but to me yeah, its like a modern day lynching, like thev (the system) caught a runnaway slave or sumthin, a brother that won't back down to master, you know, for real, for real, its a very fucked up situation right there, serious bizness, innocent lives are involved, you know, check this out...

EMERGENCY CALL TO ACTION! JOIN US THIS THURSDAY, JUNE 16th! THIS IS THE LAST CHANCE FOR EVIDENCE OF MUMIA'S INNOCENCE TO BE ALLOWED IN COURT! BE THERE JUNE 16th!


Press Conference and Demonstration- 11 a.m. on the North East Side of Philly City Hall

Demonstration and leafleting –5pm on the North East Side of Philly City Hall


People must understand the severity of what is currently happening in the case of Mumia Abu-Jamal. This is one of the last steps in the groundwork being laid to execute Mumia or keep him in prison for the rest of his life. Both are death sentences and are totally unacceptable. It is no coincidence that within this short span of time, the MOVE 9 appeal was denied, then the bounty was raised on our sister Assata's head, and now Mumia's last appeal to have evidence of innocence allowed in the Courts has been denied. These are all full-on assaults on our freedom fighters and acts of war against the freedom of all. People should look at these examples and realize this. The Patriot Act has expanded, a worldwide war is raging, and Lynne Stewart has been convicted. It should be clear to all that it is time to fight! If a child is in a house that is on fire, a good mother will stop at nothing to protect her child. Whether she has to tear down walls or jump from that building she will do what ever it takes to protect her child's life. We must understand that our brother Mumia is our innocent life to protect; he is in the same danger as one trapped in a burning building---as this prison system is suffocating the lives of millions. Our survival as a people is dependent on his survival and we must stop at nothing to achieve his release.


For over 23 years the judicial system has exhibited blatant racism and political prejudice towards Mumia. On December 17th, 2001, when Judge Yohn stated that there was no evidence of innocence before him, this was simply because he had thrown it out the same way as Judge Pamela Dembe. Both of these judges had irrefutable evidence of innocence, prosecutorial and judicial misconduct before them, and threw it out. The rulings that were made on this evidence were so ridiculous, racist, and insulting that most will not believe what they said unless they read it themselves. People must understand the history here, the plot that is being acted out, in order to understand the seriousness of it. In July of 2001 a hearing was scheduled for August 17th before Judge Pamela Dembe in which Mumia was supposed to be present. Word spread across the globe and hundreds were organizing to be in Philadelphia for the hearing. Only days before the 17th, Judge Dembe barred Mumia from being present at his own hearing, but this did not stop the support; it intensified it. On August 17th the streets around the Criminal Justice Center were packed with those standing up for Mumia. The late great Ossie Davis, Sonia Sanchez, Dick Gregory, Jesse Jackson, a prestigious delegation of French officials, students and activists and hundreds from around the world were present. Judge Dembe refused to make a ruling on that day stating that she did not want to make a ruling with so many Mumia supporters there without having more police (even though there had been no problems) but that she would reschedule another hearing. No other hearing was scheduled. On November 21st, 2001, Judge Dembe denied Mumia's appeal. It was at this point, and no sooner, that the International Concerned Family and Friends of Mumia Abu-Jamal began to target and expose her for the unjust Judge that she is. Judge Dembe was given plenty of opportunities to do justice but only proved how unjust she is. It has always been our position to expose that injustice. We of the International Concerned Family and Friends of Mumia Abu-Jamal will never betray Mumia by neglecting to expose those who deny him justice.


Judge Dembe threw out the videotaped confession of Arnold Beverly, a man who swears that he, not Mumia, killed Officer Faulkner. She threw this out not because it was not credible but because she claims that it was not filed in a timely manner. She threw out the affidavit of Mumia's former attorney, Rachel Wolkenstein, which backed up Beverly's confession and showed that the murder of Faulkner was part of a much bigger conspiracy to cover up the murders of many other police officers due to mob related activities. The affidavit of court stenographer Terri-Maurer Carter who heard Judge Sabo say "Yeah, and I'm gonna help 'em fry the nigger" was thrown out. Dembe stated that even if Sabo did make such a racist remark in the middle of the trial that it does not prove that he acted as a racist or prejudiced towards Mumia during the trial. This argument is an insult to anyone's intelligence. Even conservative Senator Specter stated in 1995 that Sabo's courtroom conduct towards Mumia was so bad that it would sabotage Sabo's credibility.


That December 8th there was a demonstration for Mumia's freedom that ended with the police attacking and arresting innocent activists. A picture of a Philly cop holding a gun to the head of one young Mumia supporter went out internationally and shocked the world. Nine days later Judge Yohn issued his decision. Yohn stated that there was no evidence of innocence before him but that there was a problem with Sabo's instruction to the jury about sentencing. (There was no evidence because Yohn threw it out. Actually, he had affidavits from Arnold Beverly, Billy Cook, Mumia Abu-Jamal, Linn Washington, and FBI confidential source, Donald Hersing, before him which all pointed strongly towards innocence.) He said that he was overturning the sentencing so that Mumia would have life in prison with no possibility of parole. If either side appealed within 90 days then that matter would have to be settled in the third circuit court of appeals. Mumia appealed because he is innocent, and life in prison is still a death sentence. The prosecution appealed because they are bloodthirsty.


The media blew up this decision and misled millions into believing that Mumia was off death row and even out of prison. In reality, Mumia never, at any point, left his death row cell at SCI-Greene. This trick was used in order to mislead and confuse people; to try to take the urgency out of the fight to free Mumia Abu-Jamal, end the death penalty, and get all of our political prisoners out of these hell holes.


While people were confused by Yohn's ruling Judge Dembe continued to hammer nails into Mumia's coffin and her most recent denial of evidence of innocence is the last one that she needs to put in. All the while this government has continued to terrorize those who support Mumia. Look at the examples of Narberth, PA, politician, Angus Love, being intimidated into backing away from his position. The Ossining chapter of the NAACP, who pushed for the national NAACP resolution for justice for Mumia, is now being singled out and harassed. At one point Philadelphia Mayor John Street publicly stated that Mumia had not received justice and even suggested that the matter be taken to the NAACP. This past year, one of his representatives met (due to his orders) with a French Delegation for Mumia and gave them awards. Street was attacked in the media. Maureen Faulkner said that Mayor Street had apologized to her and said that Mumia is guilty. Street refused to stand up and correct this statement. He was intimidated and poli-tricked into shutting up. That is how serious this is. But we will never back down. This is life or death here.


Dembe just threw out Mumia's last opportunity to have evidence of innocence heard in court EVER! She handed down her decision on Friday the 27th of May but kept it a secret. It was not put out in the papers, as it always has been when a decision is made, and no one in the Movement found out about it until June 2nd. With this decision the path towards death is set and the Judges can just keep rubber-stamping it all the way until that murderer Ed Rendell happily stamps his signature on the death warrant. Even before Rendell got into office he said that he was looking forward to killing Mumia.


All of those who have stood for Mumia in the past, you are needed now! The late, great Ossie Davis never turned his back on Mumia and always stated that our generation's moral obligation is to ensure justice for Mumia Abu-Jamal. Martin Luther King III stated that "all those with the power to intervene do so now in the name of justice" ---we need you now! Jesse Jackson, Dick Gregory, Chuck D, Minister Farrakhan, Mos Def, John Street, Chaka Fattah, Julian Bond and the NAACP leadership, Danny Glover, Ed Asner---we need you here! You who are sitting down reading this on your computer, hearing this on the radio---we need you! There is only one thing that can stop them from murdering Mumia and that is you! The death warrant is about to be signed; they are putting the poison in the needle. Not only are they trying to kill Mumia, they are murdering your freedom. What will you do?


TO QUOTE JOHN AFRICA, QUOTE:


“A JUST PERSON WILL IGNORE HIS PRIDE WHEN HE HEARS WHAT IS RIGHT, AN UNJUST PERSON WILL IGNORE WHAT IS RIGHT AND HOLD FAST TO HIS GODDAMN PRIDE.”


- END QUOTE LONG LIVE JOHN AFRICA!!!


Signed,


International Concerned Family and Friends of Mumia Abu-Jamal


The MOVE Organization


NYC Jericho Movement


ProLibertad


Latin@s por Mumia


Millions for Mumia / International Action Center


Free Mumia Abu-Jamal Coalition, NYC


Mark L. Taylor, Educators for Mumia Abu-Jamal


Jeremy Syrop, Free Mumia Youth Network

Eye M Woman
06-18-2005, 12:47 PM
I doubt it , most americans are more concerned about american idol + brad and angelina.

^^Exactly.

THE W
06-18-2005, 12:52 PM
"the real criminals get immunity" riot act, ganstarr

Rooty P
06-18-2005, 10:59 PM
Mumia was tried guilty, TWICE. It's over sun, that's what he gets.

NAKHI the SOLORIAN
06-19-2005, 07:21 PM
you that rally was not as powerful as others in the past and that is ashame.........

and Rooty P what if the man is innocent?

it ceems that the poloticians here are afraid of something cause if he is as guilty as they say then it should be no problem convicting him

Rooty P
06-19-2005, 09:48 PM
If the man is innocent, he should have brought better evidence to his TWO TRIALS. Dude got a chance, shouldn't he have had proof enough for a jury? Dang...

NAKHI the SOLORIAN
06-19-2005, 10:41 PM
couple of question for you Rooty P

1. have you ever been arrested?
2. have you ever been incarcerated for an extensive amount of time?
3. do you live in an lower income setting?
4. are you of african american descent?
5. are you familiar with the struggles of the african american in the United States?
6. have you ever been the victim of racial profiling?



these are just some of the things eye ask cause if "they" want to cee Mumia fry of course they are gonna make it hard for the evidence to be brought in.

from the first trail they did not have sufficient evidence to keep him


REMEMBER THE LAW SAYS THAT A JURY MUST BE CONVINCED BEYOND A RESONABLE DOUBT!


and that first case there was a whole lot of resonable doubt.

eye am not trying to toss darts at you but eye have ceen first hand how the cops play here in Philly they are some of the most corrupt (second to New York And L.A.) and trust me it is not how the police say it is...............

born invincible
06-19-2005, 11:04 PM
I doubt it , most americans are more concerned about american idol + brad and angelina.
in all honest im more concerned my own problems....

Rooty P
06-20-2005, 02:37 AM
couple of question for you Rooty P

1. have you ever been arrested?
2. have you ever been incarcerated for an extensive amount of time?
3. do you live in an lower income setting?
4. are you of african american descent?
5. are you familiar with the struggles of the african american in the United States?
6. have you ever been the victim of racial profiling?



these are just some of the things eye ask cause if "they" want to cee Mumia fry of course they are gonna make it hard for the evidence to be brought in.

from the first trail they did not have sufficient evidence to keep him


REMEMBER THE LAW SAYS THAT A JURY MUST BE CONVINCED BEYOND A RESONABLE DOUBT!


and that first case there was a whole lot of resonable doubt.

eye am not trying to toss darts at you but eye have ceen first hand how the cops play here in Philly they are some of the most corrupt (second to New York And L.A.) and trust me it is not how the police say it is...............
None of these questions matter, you're looking for sympathy, as opposed to justice. Have you read the transcript of his second trial? I used to be all "Free Mumia!" until I actually looked at the facts. His first trial was unfair, yes, but them they got him a second one. That was his break, he got a break. But he got fucked over, didn't have any good evidence and was found guilty a second time. That's how the law system works. Should he just be tried over and over until he's found innocent? No, he needs to bring sustainable enough of a case the FIRST time (which he didn't) or then the SECOND time. I mean come on man, what more do you want from him?

EARNERTON.
06-23-2005, 02:50 PM
Nakhi your coming wit the truth, for real, you know, its real, people need to know that this case has to do wit corrupt police type of stuff linked wit the streets, but I'm not gonna go into all that, just know Mumia is being framed for his political beliefs an nuthin more, you know, an thats real, truss me on that, the person that took out that cop even admitted to doing it but they still won't let that brother out, its a very fucked up situation, for true, its all about freeing Mumia an freeing all political prisoners, you know an they need to free Dr. Malachi Z York aswell, brothers an sisters getting framed, copping pleas left right an center you know, its a very fucked up situation right about now, truss me on that, lets go, fuck the system

36chambers
06-23-2005, 03:01 PM
No doubt, I went to an Immortal Technique concert a few days ago and he spoke 2 the crowd about Mumia, completely opened my eyes about whats going on.

EARNERTON.
06-23-2005, 03:11 PM
damn I missed that concert, I heard him an Lo-key smacked it though, you know, did you hear about that Lox concert though, I don't know if its true or not, but I heard how someone started lickiing off shots an all that type of madness aswell, crazy, do you know if thats true?

36chambers
06-23-2005, 03:15 PM
I dont know, i havent heard that. But i heard the show wasnt that good. You would have been a foolish person to go 2 the LOX concert instead of the Technique concert tho. Shit was brilliant.

Post more about Mumia, im intreged.

EARNERTON.
06-23-2005, 03:39 PM
yeah Immortal an Lo key are coming wit that type of spittage that the rap games kinda missing right about now, you know, that "Bin Lden" tunes sick, that brothers goin on heavy, truss, they way he breaks down about how them Iraqi so called 'insurgents'(an I'm not supporting them or against them, but I I'm against all of them innocent civillians, brothers an sisters getting taken out, you know ) are mostly repping for Saddam(which is that propaganda by the system), but are mostly like, you know, if some next country invaded America trying to take over there oil, get rid of Bush purely because they he hurt there pride back in the day, the man dem in Harlem, Washighton Heights, places like that would, represent an rep there endz, defend it against the occupation, you know, not for Bush or the system, the US goverment, but for pride an love of there country, you know, thats exactly whats mostly going on in Iraq, an I'm not supporting Saddam in anyway form or fashion, but you feel what I'm saying, the way Immortal broke that down in a couple of bars is crazy, sick, very sick, you know, he's a souljah, truss, but even still, the Lox are doing there thing aswell, you know, but yeah, I'll definetly come through wit some more information on Mumia, come through on the board an represent, you know

EARNERTON.
06-25-2005, 06:14 AM
here's a link to some audio's by Mumia just breaking down that knowledge, you know, just letting the people dem know, you know, you see what I'm saying, for real, lets go, here's the link...

http://www.radio4all.net/proginfo.php?id=7279

Rebel_INS
06-25-2005, 06:37 AM
.....Wha? lol

THE W
06-25-2005, 07:48 AM
None of these questions matter, you're looking for sympathy, as opposed to justice. Have you read the transcript of his second trial? I used to be all "Free Mumia!" until I actually looked at the facts. His first trial was unfair, yes, but them they got him a second one. That was his break, he got a break. But he got fucked over, didn't have any good evidence and was found guilty a second time. That's how the law system works. Should he just be tried over and over until he's found innocent? No, he needs to bring sustainable enough of a case the FIRST time (which he didn't) or then the SECOND time. I mean come on man, what more do you want from him? the actual truth and what is proven in court are two different things.

evidence gets lost or thrown out due to technicalities, hot shot lawyers can spin a lot of crap to jurers. people in your defense are idiots who dont know what there doing. there's cases where innocent people have gone to jail and the truly guilty get over. its about what you can prove, not about what really happened.

not to say mamea was innocent, but we cant take a jury verdict as the gospel truth.

Rooty P
06-26-2005, 08:16 PM
FUCK you guys are so one-tracked, this is unbelievable. I thought you guys had more understanding about things.

Check it, I didn't say Mumia was guilty or innocent.

I didn't say whether trials prove everything or not.

What I said was, he's had two fucking trials, and what more do you want them to do? Try him again and again until he's proven innocent? If the courts could do this nobody would be in jail...

THE W
06-26-2005, 09:53 PM
FUCK you guys are so one-tracked, this is unbelievable. I thought you guys had more understanding about things.

Check it, I didn't say Mumia was guilty or innocent.

I didn't say whether trials prove everything or not.

What I said was, he's had two fucking trials, and what more do you want them to do? Try him again and again until he's proven innocent? If the courts could do this nobody would be in jail...
well if the guy really is innocent then the system got it wrong, twice. they tried 2 times and just still justice didnt get served.

what we want from the courts is for them to acquite the innocent and convict the guilty.

whitey
06-26-2005, 11:14 PM
well if the guy really is innocent then the system got it wrong, twice. they tried 2 times and just still justice didnt get served.

what we want from the courts is for them to acquite the innocent and convict the guilty.

In a perfect world no guilty man would go unpunished and no innocent man would feel unjust wrath. But we live in nothing close to it.

The way the American Constitution is set up it allows for due process and a fair trial. He wasnt given one, so he got another. At the second trial he did not provide enough evidence to be found innocent. And I am guessing this was a jury of his peers not a bench trial. 12 people decided he did the crime, 2 times.


It is a horrible if he really is innocent, but it was proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he committed these crimes, twice. It is just how our justice system is.





Too bad we couldnt try OJ twice...

Jamal Arief
06-27-2005, 02:53 PM
What I said was, he's had two fucking trials, and what more do you want them to do? Try him again and again until he's proven innocent? If the courts could do this nobody would be in jail...
WTF are you talking! That reminds me of the nazis! Did you just say that most - if not all - inmates are innocent, but you still want them locked?? Of course one should be tried as often as there is new evidence which MIGHT prove ones innocence! Asshole!

Peace.

36chambers
06-27-2005, 02:58 PM
I been reading up on Mumia, hes a political prisoner. Will do more research on him later tho, it opens ur eyes a lil more to the people like me who slept on this shit.

Peace to the guy who made this thread and others who really contributed.

6thPlanet
06-27-2005, 03:00 PM
Hmm...

36chambers
06-27-2005, 03:10 PM
yo 6thplanet have u ever posted anything useful in those 304 posts? just wondering man... :?

6thPlanet
06-27-2005, 03:11 PM
Don't start with me kid.

36chambers
06-27-2005, 03:15 PM
kid? haha

just stop posting pointless shit. plus all those deleted posts... u do know we as mod sees all them.

6thPlanet
06-27-2005, 03:16 PM
ok sir.

6thPlanet
06-27-2005, 03:21 PM
Cilvaringz is gonna kick your ass

6thPlanet
06-27-2005, 03:27 PM
What are you doing?

6thPlanet
06-27-2005, 03:33 PM
Peace Im out.

Rooty P
06-27-2005, 11:06 PM
WTF are you talking! That reminds me of the nazis! Did you just say that most - if not all - inmates are innocent, but you still want them locked?? Of course one should be tried as often as there is new evidence which MIGHT prove ones innocence! Asshole!

Peace.
:lmao: This is what I get looking for political discussion on a hip-hop board. Shit man can you read into anything for more than one second?

EARNERTON.
06-29-2005, 03:09 PM
Wadedigital, Mumia's first trial was pure railroad bizness, he had a judge(thats linked wit this little group called the fraternal order of the police, thats basically a little nazi organization for feds)that gives it about how he's gonna "help fry this nigger", an in his second trial the second judge dismissed this as minor?...basically goin on about how that statement had nuthin to do wit the way the case was handled an, you know, plus someone actually admitted to actually doing the killing an the second judge still wouldn't let this come up into the case?, so you know, it don't take a rocket scientist to figure out what type of mentality these people wit 'degrees' have, it not that deep, truss, to tell...what type of agenda is goin on right there, you know, it ain't that difficult to figure out, you know, for real...its real, lets go

EARNERTON.
06-29-2005, 04:11 PM
yeah 36Chambers, check them audios out on Mumia that I put out on page 2 of this post, you know, its kinda deep still, truss, but yeah I had to represent you know an, try to, you know, enlighten people about his whole situation an that, you know, for real, serious bizness, its a very fucked up situation, for real, but yeah, I'm out, bless

THE W
06-29-2005, 04:26 PM
yeah i know whitey the system isnt perfect but its the best we got and you just got to live with this shit. i also agree with jamel iref that if there is evidence to prove a person innocence they should be able to have a new trial until all evidence has been refuted.

of course the evidence would have to satisfy the court enough to begin a third trial, so you better have your ducks in a row.

Rooty P
06-29-2005, 10:55 PM
They had evidence in the second one, it's that he just made a shitty case. He could've done a better job if he had a better lawyer, that's all it was. But bad lawyers isn't really something the court is to take care of, he should've been proven innocent.

I doubt any of you guys have even read the transcript of the second trial, so stop talking shit and actually look at the facts.

Jamal Arief
07-02-2005, 08:43 AM
The thing is that it doesn't really matter if he's innocent or not. But you were arguing like someone does not deserve a trial regardless of new evidence, if he already had a number of trials. And that is very unjust! You even implied that if even more people would get the chance of a new trial, more poeple would be proven innocent. Well, I do agree with that, but why do you want to categorically refuse trials in these situations then?
Well, I guess I know why. Because you're an asshole.
Political discussion?! Come on... That's the 18th century! BC!

Rooty P
07-02-2005, 05:18 PM
Haha wow just call me an asshole and now you have all the credibility in the world.

Once again, come talk to me when you've actually read the transcript, I noticed how you somehow managed to not mention that in your reply...

THERE IS NO NEW EVIDENCE. Peace.