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MAYOR QUIMBY
02-04-2010, 02:10 AM
So you grab an old song that no one has ever heard, loop the same 10 seconds of it and then add a repetitive drum loop. This is what hip-hop is pretty much and i'm supposed to think these guys are creative and artistic? Gimme a break.

Nagra
02-04-2010, 02:19 AM
Wow.

SL33
02-04-2010, 02:20 AM
this thread is weak like


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main_man
02-04-2010, 02:32 AM
well then, take your bitch ass on.

ch-chef
02-04-2010, 02:39 AM
thousands of posts on a hip hop site and now you discover you dont like the music? next ronald mcdonalds gonna tell us he dont like hamburgers

claaa7
02-04-2010, 03:55 AM
lol you fucking crazy, you should try to get ahold of a sampler, a drum machine and some software and see how good your shit is gonna sound. as soon as you start seeing samplers and wax as instruments to create music with you might look at it different... agreed that there's alot of wack hip-hop producers who's just looping but those who's really skilled with it can create art by those means.

DR. NICK RIVIERA
02-04-2010, 03:57 AM
he's overreacting
he probably meant that he don't like most of the rap producers..well, me neither. RZA, Muggs, Marley Marl and Premier are gods tho.

Then u have people that do real wonders with samples, like Edan, El-P and Insight.

MaskedAvenger
02-04-2010, 04:38 AM
Yeah its THAT easy.

TSA
02-04-2010, 04:48 AM
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TSA
02-04-2010, 04:59 AM
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TSA
02-04-2010, 05:04 AM
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KBOS
02-04-2010, 07:52 AM
yeah I totally agree! Rappers are a sorry excuse for musicians as well - all they do is ryhme words together and promote violence and recreational drug use through their big flaccid lips and breath all our air through their wide-set chocolate noses

Mai Wang Tu Phat
02-04-2010, 08:23 AM
Alright, let's see you do it then if it's so fuckin' easy.

claaa7
02-04-2010, 08:33 AM
can a mod please delete TSA's bitch made post, it's fucking up the whole thread

Afficial_Nastee
02-04-2010, 08:58 AM
^^^^

Yeah wtf?! Those nice pictures of Nigerian people and their country only shows that he really is a disgrace to his country with his faggotass dress code and bitchmade mentality....

Ghost In The 'Lac
02-04-2010, 09:42 AM
Hmmm... }:|

This is the sort of comment i'd expect to come from a 13 year old Nu-Metal fan.

I guess it depends on what your definition of a "musician" is. Mine would be someone who makes "music". I think we can all agree Hip Hop producers make music. I take it that you enjoy their music, alot, as your a member of a hip hop forum, ergo...... }:|

All music is copying some other music from an earlier time, not just hip hop. Its just their instrument they use to copy it, is a turntable and a sampler, not a guitar copying another guitar (or whatever else). So you seem to have a problem with calling the turntable and a sampler an instrument? Classical pianists had a hard time accepting synthesisers and electronic keyboards were real "instruments" as well at one point. Now that idea is out of date.

Thats just whats so amazing about Hip Hop, they invented new instruments out of things that were not designed at al for that purpose. The creativity continues as the hip hop sound has evolved and is can be re-created these days copying its own distinctive "hip hop sound/style" using conventional instruments. So I think this proves Hip Hop has moved past just copy and pasting older music, to actually having its own "sound".

This is because it was samplng from SO MANY different genres of music. Basically EVERY genre of music, and melting them all into ONE POT. Which is IMO what has made hip hop so successful, and has given it the edge over other genres, who were often limiting themselves to copying one style. Hip hop had 1000s of different producers sampling from all the msot obscure forms of music possible, over time, the melding into one sound.


Now listen to a OUtkast album and tell me they arent real musicians.

DrunkenMasta303
02-04-2010, 10:07 AM
hiphop is all about creating vibes! u can listen to an old record and it may sound funky, but when u loop the right part it will create a totally different vibe. for xample Duel of the Iron Mic is just a simple loop from an old soul record but its such a hypnotik vibe drilling into ur ears no musician can ever create yo

Shogah
02-04-2010, 10:09 AM
So you grab an old song that no one has ever heard, loop the same 10 seconds of it and then add a repetitive drum loop. This is what hip-hop is pretty much and i'm supposed to think these guys are creative and artistic? Gimme a break.

exactly.

And who cares.

Listen to the beat in my sig, and tell it isn't hot, and tell me that j dilla didn't put any creative effort in that looping as you say it.

angry!
02-04-2010, 11:07 AM
this thread is clearly coming from a kid whos not up on the history of hip hop production!!!!!!

when hip hop was in its infant stages, the DJ would loop a track for an emcee to spit over!!!!! that was it!!!!!!! its evolved like any other genre!!!!!

go listen to a dr.dre track and tell me hes just looping samples!!!!!!

go find a site that snitches out what producers sampled, and check out dj premier or just blaze!!!!! look at how the manipulate portions of a track and beef up the drums, get on a ASR 10 or a SP and lets see what you come up with!!!!!!!

this thread is sad... you sound like a fair weather fan thats growing out of hip hop... thats weak!!!!!!!!

J-DON
02-04-2010, 12:37 PM
majority of radio hits now arent samples at all so this kid is way late.

DR. NICK RIVIERA
02-04-2010, 01:50 PM
lol some people really took this thread seriously

MAYOR QUIMBY
02-04-2010, 04:12 PM
I love hip-hop. But what i speak of is true, you cant deny it. For example, take the beat for "10 Crack Commandments" produced by Dj Premier. It's just the same God damn 2 seconds over and over and over and over again.....I like it, it's a classic, but it's not something i should be praising Primo about. Aybody could do it.

Hazmat
02-04-2010, 04:14 PM
treadstarter shouldnt be on a hip hop forum.

for nasty producers i would have to go with stoupe, rza, ill bill, dj lethal(its crazy this dude was in limp bizket.) to name a few.

5hundred&one
02-04-2010, 05:02 PM
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main_man
02-04-2010, 05:05 PM
I love hip-hop. But what i speak of is true, you cant deny it. For example, take the beat for "10 Crack Commandments" produced by Dj Premier. It's just the same God damn 2 seconds over and over and over and over again.....I like it, it's a classic, but it's not something i should be praising Primo about. Aybody could do it.

i'm willing to bet your bitch ass couldn't do it. i bet you couldn't even make a beat.


and a certain percentage of hip hop producers are BRILLIANT musicians. case closed.

Edgar Erebus
02-04-2010, 05:55 PM
I love hip-hop. But what i speak of is true, you cant deny it. For example, take the beat for "10 Crack Commandments" produced by Dj Premier. It's just the same God damn 2 seconds over and over and over and over again.....I like it, it's a classic, but it's not something i should be praising Primo about. Aybody could do it.

Yeah, it is kinda simplistic, but when you learn that Premo basically made that beat in one take, with Biggie rapping at the same time, you start respecting it.


To the OP...

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claaa7
02-04-2010, 05:58 PM
^ The "10 Crack Commandments" beat was originally the intro to a radio show on Hot 97 by Angie Martinez (it still had the original Chuck D countdown tho). Biggie heard it and went nuts and got the beat.

Edgar Erebus
02-04-2010, 06:01 PM
Really? Cause I heard Premo basically scratched the whole shit in along with Biggie rapping.

On the side note, can anyone at least delete that stupid post by that Zaytoven stan whose name I don't bother to remember, makes whole page practically unreadable.

KBOS
02-04-2010, 06:04 PM
I love hip-hop. But what i speak of is true, you cant deny it. For example, take the beat for "10 Crack Commandments" produced by Dj Premier. It's just the same God damn 2 seconds over and over and over and over again.....I like it, it's a classic, but it's not something i should be praising Primo about. Aybody could do it.


So then make some dope beats - straight up since its so easy and talentless please go make us a classic. Please drop some heat and if not then eattaduhicknugguh : PP