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Ghost In The 'Lac
02-12-2010, 10:20 AM
I watched part II for this first time last night, gotta be one of the most beautifully shot movies ever. The whole thing is just lush no homo. tThey dont pay enough attention these days to how god a film looks. Theyre just obsessed with flashy camera angles and fast moving speed camera shots. This is the sort of film where nearly every single scene could be framed into a picture.

And on top of all the aesthetic crack is just the ridiculuos acting abilites on show from basically every single cast member. De Niro's screen presence, Pacino's furious subtlety in every thing he does, the Mayer Lansky dude was also, incredible.

The reason I think this is better than Part I, is not just for the 2 reasons above though. It's also because after watching Part I, my feeling was that the book was alot better, and that I had been short changed with the movie. I think anyone who had read the book before seeing part I wouldve been sligtly dissapointed with all the things that were left out of the film.

Only parts of Part II are based on the book though, so it doesnt have that problem. But I feel like even if it was all based on the book, the acting and the visualz wouldve made up for the fact that it couldnt live up to the book.

Olive Oil Goombah
02-12-2010, 10:59 AM
my favorite part of II is the deniro scenes. I love that turn of the century shit, the rags to riches part.

Sativahhh
02-12-2010, 11:25 AM
my favorite part of II is the deniro scenes. I love that turn of the century shit, the rags to riches part.

co-sign the part2 is the part of padrino Deniro rules

oDoUoSoKo
02-12-2010, 12:06 PM
ya the 2nd is among my favorite movies ever. brilliant. Diane Keaton caught the mean pimp slap lmao.

Ghost In The 'Lac
02-12-2010, 12:18 PM
one of my favorite moments was when Patengelis brother walked into the courtroom just as he was about to snitch, that was bomb

also when micheals looking at fredo that night in havana and he realies he set him up. then theres a fucking hilarious moment just after that when he asks fredo where hes going and fredo just turns around like "i gotta get a real drink" HAHAHAHahahhaha great acting from Cazale at that point, for some reason that cracked me up.


i read that james caan got the same fee for that 5 minutes flashback at the end of the film that he got for the entire first film.

i also got this off imdb:

This was the last film printed in the US in the Technicolor "imbibition" printing process. The lab was held open for about three weeks for the film to be ready to print, and then it was disassembled and sent to Peking, China. The imbibition process was a three-strip dye transfer process that photochemical processes have yet to equal in richness and longevity of color rendition.

which is interesting!!!

DR. NICK RIVIERA
02-12-2010, 01:21 PM
Definately is Part II the better one, it truly is an epic mafioso tale.

SID
02-13-2010, 07:38 AM
Got the box set and watch them all anually.

I dunno if i would say II is better then the first, i would class them as one movie really in seperate parts.

I love the first because of Brando as Vito obviously, and i love the whole atmosphere of Sicily when Micahael is in exile, real authentic stuff.

Part III is underrated also, the ending scene when michaels daughter gets killed and he screams is one of the finest pieces of acting i have ever seen, guaranteed goosebumps everytime...

Ghost In The 'Lac
02-13-2010, 06:44 PM
MAN godfather III sucked ASS

Fucking ruined by the fact it was a terrible movie with some of the worst acting ever put down to film!

Sophia Coppola gave in one of the worst performanes surely ever seen in feature films! Her death scene was completely laughable!

Art Vandelay
02-13-2010, 07:03 PM
• yes, james caan got the same money for 2 as he did for 1

• parts of me likes 2 better sometimes 1. i think the deniro story is great, but some of the shit with michael and kay bores me in part 2.

• i like part 3, but as a separate movie from 1 & 2. copola didn't want to name it part 3. he wanted to call it The Death of Michael Corleone or something like that. i think it would have been received by critics a lot better had that happened.

•the guy who played hyman roth (meyer lansky) wasn a very famous acting coach. he wasn't in a lot of movies, but he was al pacino's mentor and pacino got him in the movie.

oDoUoSoKo
02-14-2010, 11:48 PM
agreed with all^ except for that one of my fav. scenes in 2 is the scene where kay tells him she had an abortion....his acting in that scene gives me goosebumps..eloels.

and ur refering to Lee Strasberg who played Roth.

GZAjector
02-15-2010, 12:20 AM
Senator Pat Geary: Mr. Cici, was there always a buffer involved?
Willi Cici: A what?
Senator Pat Geary: A buffer. Someone in between you and your possible superiors who passed on to you the actual order to kill someone.
Willi Cici: Oh yeah, a buffer. The family had a lot of buffers!

LOLZ love that part

great fuckin movie and a great debate
i like part 2 more


let me wet my beak

TeknicelStylez
02-15-2010, 12:33 AM
you guys are gonna think i'm retarded, i never completely watched any of them, everytime i sit down to do it its like a fuckin snooze fest for me, i just get bored out of my mind.

i'm not into the whole glorified mafioso thing.

oDoUoSoKo
02-15-2010, 12:37 AM
then u completely misread the 5 minutes of the movie(s) uve caught.

TeknicelStylez
02-15-2010, 12:51 AM
i just watched an hour of part II it's on right now, like i said, i'm not into the whole mafia thing...

i like goodfellas and casino for the action

but other than that, the mafia genre isn't my thing

Favorite part I did see though was sonny at the toll booth lol nigga got wet up

oDoUoSoKo
02-15-2010, 12:55 AM
u dont like mafia glorification but ur favorite scene from GF1 is when sonny is shot up? hmmm...eloels.

TeknicelStylez
02-15-2010, 02:12 AM
i didn't say i don't like action, i said i don't like the way they depict the mafia...

Watch Gomorra that's a better portrayal

beautifulrock
02-15-2010, 02:14 AM
Way better? Hardly. They are really close.

SID
02-15-2010, 12:28 PM
MAN godfather III sucked ASS

Fucking ruined by the fact it was a terrible movie with some of the worst acting ever put down to film!

Sophia Coppola gave in one of the worst performanes surely ever seen in feature films! Her death scene was completely laughable!

No way man.

the acting was great ok sophia's acting was pretty bad but she wasent a MAJOR focus of the film till the ending really.

Michaels reaction to her death is undoubtably a fine piece of acting.

When he dies a lonely broken man at the end also, lots of messages and a fine ending to an amazing story.

oDoUoSoKo
02-15-2010, 12:30 PM
ya u cant try to compare it to 1 and 2 because those are 2 of the best movies of all time..whereas 3, is just a good movie with some flaws ie Soifa coppola..eloels.

SID
02-15-2010, 12:32 PM
I was genuinely upset when i found out Tom had died. lol

oDoUoSoKo
02-15-2010, 12:41 PM
eloels...ya good consleagirie? cant spell that shit.

fatboybrandon
02-16-2010, 06:43 PM
I really like the Godfather II for the cinematography too, the lighting, color and atmosphere from scene to scene is an art in itself, I'm at the point where I've watched that movie enough times that I can appreciate that aside from all the other great qualities. I'm a visual artist so that type of work inspires me. I would like to read the books sometime too to get another perspective of the films.

i'm not into the whole glorified mafioso thing.

If you can't get into the Godfather movies for the way the mafia is portrayed or hoping for more violence in that regard, then there's also the great morality theme that exists. This 3 part series revolves around the inner struggle of Michael Corleone, going from a good person to weaving his own web of destruction based on his immoral decisions, both in his mafia dealings and personal family life. I think that theme is strongest throughout part II, both with Vito & Michael, it reaches a pivotal part in the christening scene in Pt. 1, then in the death of Fredo in 2.

I've been to a couple of the Godfather 1 shooting locations here in NY, I haven't photographed any of them but I hope to once the weather gets warm and I can travel down to them easier. The meeting location of the Corleone family with Virgil Sollozzo is near to a spot where I shop for records downtown.

I think the end shot where the camera zooms in on Michael sitting on a bench smoking at the end of Pt 2 is a more powerful ending than him kneeling on the steps screaming at the sky in Pt 3. I still get the feeling Michael has reached a tragic end despite his powerful mafia position, based on his wear of his facial expression as he sits alone meditating in that park. In the commentary, Francis Ford Coppolla says that was the intended ending for the whole series.

HANZO
02-16-2010, 06:54 PM
I and II are both masterpieces. jus amazing movies, the story is great to, i agree with Ghost how number I wasnt exactly like the book. (if any of you havent read the books read them they are excellent)

really dope part in number I is at the end of the movie with everyone walking up to Micheal and kissing his hand and then the door closes. same with II really the ending with Micheal jus sitting. such great films, shame they cant make movies like that anymore.

Ghost In The 'Lac
02-16-2010, 07:08 PM
No way man.

the acting was great ok sophia's acting was pretty bad but she wasent a MAJOR focus of the film till the ending really.

Michaels reaction to her death is undoubtably a fine piece of acting.

When he dies a lonely broken man at the end also, lots of messages and a fine ending to an amazing story.

LOL totally disagree. Sophia wasnt just "pretty bad", she completly ruined every scene she appeared in.

And as for Pacino, he went from the most subtlest of acting brilliance in p.I and p.II, to the biggest Hams out! "EVERY TIME I THINK I'M OUT...smack on the table...THEY PULL ME BACK IN!!!"

lol Pacino did do the death scream well though, but it was pointless due to the fact the whole scene was ruined by Sophia's pathetic death acting, when she says "Dad" I just wanted to rip her face off it was so awful

I also have no idea what happened to Talia Shire, but she went from amazing to awful too.

I thought Andy Garcia was GREAT however and im surprised his career didnt take off after this.

Also the story was completely "MEH", I was left thinking to myself what the hell was the point in all of that stuff between the 1st minute to Mary getting killed. All that business/religion/pope shit was totally stupid and shallow. There was no meaning to it and didnt draw the viewer in with anything we could care about.

Then there was the whole weird incest thing that againseemed forced and stupid and aimless.

Tom Hagen's character was just ignored, unbelievably, like he never existed, his replacement didnt work.

beautifulrock
02-16-2010, 11:13 PM
eloels...ya good consleagirie? cant spell that shit.

Oh...well.....why don't you try sounding it out....you know....as opposed to randomly punching in letters.

TeknicelStylez
02-17-2010, 12:46 AM
Con-sig-li-air-e

Did I do it right pretty rocks?

beautifulrock
02-17-2010, 01:18 AM
I realize that beautifulrock isn't exactly the most masculine name, but calling me pretty rocks, just makes you sound gay. Perhaps that's the intention?

SID
02-17-2010, 11:04 AM
And as for Pacino, he went from the most subtlest of acting brilliance in p.I and p.II, to the biggest Hams out! "EVERY TIME I THINK I'M OUT...smack on the table...THEY PULL ME BACK IN!!!"


Also the story was completely "MEH", I was left thinking to myself what the hell was the point in all of that stuff between the 1st minute to Mary getting killed. All that business/religion/pope shit was totally stupid and shallow. There was no meaning to it and didnt draw the viewer in with anything we could care about.

Then there was the whole weird incest thing that againseemed forced and stupid and aimless.

Tom Hagen's character was just ignored, unbelievably, like he never existed, his replacement didnt work.

That was only one phrase and the emotion he used in that scene is justified, he is trying his hardest to legitimize his business and win Kay back, so when hes drawn back into the criminal underworld he has a right to bang the table.

I thought it was a great story that documented the corruption in the vatican, the nature of corporatism and one mans struggle to right all the wrongs he's done in his life.

The incest sub plot was wierd and random i agree, but i't dident really take anything away from the film in my point of view.

The one thing that pisses me off about the film is the absence of Tom and the disregard for his storyline.

oDoUoSoKo
02-17-2010, 05:05 PM
http://www.fhm.com/images/media/fckimgs/userfiles/gifgallery/andfinally...5.gif



HOOTER FUCK IS THIS????? and from where is the gif?

PANDA PISS
02-21-2012, 06:37 PM
just rewatched 1 & 2 this week. still classic. i preferred the first one this time round but last time i watched them i thought the second one was better.

i'm gonna watch 3 this week also. i always thought it was underrated, its almost like people didn't believe that michael would change, but it makes perfect sense. in 2 Michael becomes cold so that he can become an effective boss, at the cost of his personal life, ironically its all for his family and he drives them away. in 3 hes still trying to turn the business legal and hes slowly getting there, and as he parts from the underworld he wants to reconcile with his family. Pacino does an epic job in that movie, its not hamming, what the hell else would your response be to watching your daughter die in front of your eyes.

anyway how do you say banana daiquiri?

Fresh
02-21-2012, 07:06 PM
thought both movies (havent seen the 3rd) were pretty average tbh. some good things here and there... but as film it was just good overall, nothing amazing

preffered the first one

2 had a great scene at the end where they were all at the dinner table.

PANDA PISS
02-21-2012, 07:46 PM
maybe your expectations are too high because its thought of as the greatest movie of all time by a lot of people?

pretty amazing films, all in. you should watch it again at some point, theres really not many films that are better made than the first 2 and the third is excellent not judged against the first 2.

tekunique
02-21-2012, 07:51 PM
if im not mistaken, Godfather 2 is the only sequel to win best picture Oscar following the best picture oscar won by the original. not that awards mean anything but its something to acknowledge.

Fresh
02-21-2012, 09:24 PM
maybe your expectations are too high because its thought of as the greatest movie of all time by a lot of people?

pretty amazing films, all in. you should watch it again at some point, theres really not many films that are better made than the first 2 and the third is excellent not judged against the first 2.

i dont think so. just seemed very.... standard. didnt get me emtional invovled at all.... didnt raise my pulse or make me think... it was just one of those typical old cinema movies really

MaskedAvenger
02-22-2012, 01:45 AM
The Godfather movies take numerous viewings before it hits you as to why they are such good films. I thought they were boring as fuck the first time I watched them.

madchild
02-07-2014, 02:35 PM
I've been sleeping on these movies. Anything pre '85 I've tend to put off watching. These two movies don't feel dated at all though.

Anyways, in Godfather Part II, the subplot back-story of Vito Corleone takes up about 30-45 minutes of the movie. The dialogue is all in Italian. Is there a subtitle version of this movie I should be watching for these scenes? In the first Godfather, you could understand what was going on in Italian through body language. I was pretty much lost in Godfather Part II with De Niro scenes and it was a bit of a distraction.

Paranoid
02-07-2014, 02:46 PM
Anything pre '85 I've tend to put off watching.

thats a shame

Anyways, in Godfather Part II, the subplot back-story of Vito Corleone takes up about 30-45 minutes of the movie. The dialogue is all in Italian. Is there a subtitle version of this movie I should be watching for these scenes?

Yes


both are classic but if i had to pick it would be part 2