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Ghost In The 'Lac
02-23-2010, 11:33 AM
The middle class white youth hero. What do they know about him? Who keeps printing off his T shirts?

#Ernesto "Che" Guevara

"We're going to do for blacks exactly what blacks did for the revolution. By which I mean: nothing." -Che Guevera

"The Negro is indolent and lazy, and spends his money on frivolities, whereas the European is forward-looking, organized and intelligent."- Che Guevara

"Mexicans are a band of illiterate Indians." - Che Guevara

"Given the prevailing lack of discipline, it would have been impossible to use Congolese machine-gunners to defend the base from air attack: they did not know how to handle their weapons and did not want to learn," - Che Guevara

Che Guevara also railed against "long hairs," "lazy youths," and homosexuals.


No offence and non taken but I find it ironic a spaniard calling others "lazy".

ALCATRAZ
02-23-2010, 12:45 PM
this dude was somewhat racist in his early years like ghandi but the difference between the two is that you can see proof that che did think highly of some blacks... for example, some of the highest ranking officials in his revolutionary army were black... when lumumba died, che ordered two days of silence in cuba in honor of his name... see ghandi on the other hand, no one can defend that nigga cause he never did shit to make us think otherwise... che was an ignorant, privileged cracker at the start, but i think he wasnt AS racist towards the later years

Sky Blue Danny Kid
02-23-2010, 05:39 PM
Plus he was a ruthless, indiscriminate murderer and rapist.

knewcheeze
02-25-2010, 12:22 PM
dead prez(revolutionary) the got Che posters in their videos

but bone thugs(white boy rap) doesn't....

its actually only white middle class and rich who
would believe that CIA propaganda about Che

plus you got wutang corps biggest white supremacist
ladies love cool dan(danny fubu) agreeing with you

should tell you something

"The Negro is indolent and lazy, and spends his money on frivolities, whereas the European is forward-looking, organized and intelligent."

a)this is a quote from Che's youth
b)taken of context
the actual quote in its entirety also says "Magnificient examples of
the African Race who have conserved their racial
purity" and "Discrimination and Poverty unites them"(Portugese and African)

"Mexicans are a band of illiterate Indians."

a)yeah Don Juan Matus a Mexican Indian
who taught Carlos Castaneda said
the exact same thing
b)once again a quote from Che's youth
c)Che is South American.....do you call
a black man racist when he critiques
black people????
d)eye lives amoungst South Americans
and most of them seem to be only concerned
with getting drunk, high and looking
at bitches all day...at least the poor ones

and the rich ones are fuckin sellouts like
"the franchize" who got a picture
of bone thugs(white boy rap)

""Given the prevailing lack of discipline, it would have been impossible to use Congolese machine-gunners to defend the base from air attack: they did not know how to handle their weapons and did not want to learn,"

thats true....the soldiers he was trying to train
was undisciplined and was more concerned with
getting drunk and getting pussy

"We're going to do for blacks exactly what blacks did for the revolution. By which I mean: nothing."

can't find the interview where he said that
but its problably taken out of context since(cut and paste time)

- Che pushed for racially integrating the schools in Cuba, years before they were racially integrated in the Southern United States.

- Che's friend and personal bodyguard was Harry "Pombo" Villegas, who was Afro-Cuban (black). Pombo accompanied Che to the Congo and to Bolivia, where he survived and now lives in Cuba. Of note, Pombo speaks glowingly of Guevara to this day

- When Che spoke before the U.N. in 1964 he spoke out in favor of black musician Paul Robeson, in support of slain black leader Patrice Lumumba (who he heralded as one of his heroes), against white segregation in the Southern U.S. (which still unfortunately existed), and against the white South African apartheid regime (long before it became the Western 'cause de jour').

- Che was also heralded by Malcolm X during this trip to NY and in contact with his associates to whom he sent a letter, and later on behalf of his actions in Africa - praised by Nelson Mandela and the Black Panther's Stokely Carmichael.

- When Guevara ventured to the Congo, he fought with a Cuban force of 100 Afro-Cubans (blacks) including those black Congolese fighters who he fought alongside against a force comprised partly of White South African mercenaries. This resembled the fight in Cuba, where Che's units were also made up of mostly mulattos and blacks.

- Later Guevara offered assistance to fight alongside the (black) FRELIMO in Mozambique, for their independence from the Portuguese.

- Lastly, in August 1961 (9 years after his "indolent" remark), Guevara attacked the U.S. for "discrimination against blacks, and outrages by the Ku Klux Klan", which matched his declarations in 1964 before the United Nations (12 years after his "indolent" remark), where Guevara denounced the United States policy towards their black population, stating:

"Those who kill their own children and discriminate daily against them because of the color of their skin; those who let the murderers of blacks remain free, protecting them, and furthermore punishing the black population because they demand their legitimate rights as free men how can those who do this consider themselves guardians of freedom?"

okay...done with cutting and pasting

lemme add on

he went to the congo to avenge the death of
patrice lumumba under horrible conditions

your lies will never work Franchy-pies

the Cuban people loved him for a reason

he earned that love

eye gota friend who's a God in the NGE
and he is amazed that Che went
to Africa to fight for people
who wasn't even his own culture


the only Cubans that don't like Che

is the crackers like Franchize

Che was the number one man in cuba

him going to a jungle to fight
under horrible conditions is like
Barak Obama going to the jungle to fight

you punk faggots are just jealous cuz
you too scared to fight the devil physically

how many devils did Che kill??

how many devils have YOU killed????

NONE

Sky Blue Danny Kid
02-25-2010, 04:37 PM
dead prez(revolutionary) the got Che posters in their videos

but bone thugs(white boy rap) doesn't....

its actually only white middle class and rich who
would believe that CIA propaganda about Che

plus you got wutang corps biggest white supremacist
ladies love cool dan(danny fubu) agreeing with you

should tell you something

"The Negro is indolent and lazy, and spends his money on frivolities, whereas the European is forward-looking, organized and intelligent."

a)this is a quote from Che's youth
b)taken of context
the actual quote in its entirety also says "Magnificient examples of
the African Race who have conserved their racial
purity" and "Discrimination and Poverty unites them"(Portugese and African)

"Mexicans are a band of illiterate Indians."

a)yeah Don Juan Matus a Mexican Indian
who taught Carlos Castaneda said
the exact same thing
b)once again a quote from Che's youth
c)Che is South American.....do you call
a black man racist when he critiques
black people????
d)eye lives amoungst South Americans
and most of them seem to be only concerned
with getting drunk, high and looking
at bitches all day...at least the poor ones

and the rich ones are fuckin sellouts like
"the franchize" who got a picture
of bone thugs(white boy rap)

""Given the prevailing lack of discipline, it would have been impossible to use Congolese machine-gunners to defend the base from air attack: they did not know how to handle their weapons and did not want to learn,"

thats true....the soldiers he was trying to train
was undisciplined and was more concerned with
getting drunk and getting pussy

"We're going to do for blacks exactly what blacks did for the revolution. By which I mean: nothing."

can't find the interview where he said that
but its problably taken out of context since(cut and paste time)

- Che pushed for racially integrating the schools in Cuba, years before they were racially integrated in the Southern United States.

- Che's friend and personal bodyguard was Harry "Pombo" Villegas, who was Afro-Cuban (black). Pombo accompanied Che to the Congo and to Bolivia, where he survived and now lives in Cuba. Of note, Pombo speaks glowingly of Guevara to this day

- When Che spoke before the U.N. in 1964 he spoke out in favor of black musician Paul Robeson, in support of slain black leader Patrice Lumumba (who he heralded as one of his heroes), against white segregation in the Southern U.S. (which still unfortunately existed), and against the white South African apartheid regime (long before it became the Western 'cause de jour').

- Che was also heralded by Malcolm X during this trip to NY and in contact with his associates to whom he sent a letter, and later on behalf of his actions in Africa - praised by Nelson Mandela and the Black Panther's Stokely Carmichael.

- When Guevara ventured to the Congo, he fought with a Cuban force of 100 Afro-Cubans (blacks) including those black Congolese fighters who he fought alongside against a force comprised partly of White South African mercenaries. This resembled the fight in Cuba, where Che's units were also made up of mostly mulattos and blacks.

- Later Guevara offered assistance to fight alongside the (black) FRELIMO in Mozambique, for their independence from the Portuguese.

- Lastly, in August 1961 (9 years after his "indolent" remark), Guevara attacked the U.S. for "discrimination against blacks, and outrages by the Ku Klux Klan", which matched his declarations in 1964 before the United Nations (12 years after his "indolent" remark), where Guevara denounced the United States policy towards their black population, stating:

"Those who kill their own children and discriminate daily against them because of the color of their skin; those who let the murderers of blacks remain free, protecting them, and furthermore punishing the black population because they demand their legitimate rights as free men how can those who do this consider themselves guardians of freedom?"

okay...done with cutting and pasting

lemme add on

he went to the congo to avenge the death of
patrice lumumba under horrible conditions

your lies will never work Franchy-pies

the Cuban people loved him for a reason

he earned that love

eye gota friend who's a God in the NGE
and he is amazed that Che went
to Africa to fight for people
who wasn't even his own culture


the only Cubans that don't like Che

is the crackers like Franchize

Che was the number one man in cuba

him going to a jungle to fight
under horrible conditions is like
Barak Obama going to the jungle to fight

you punk faggots are just jealous cuz
you too scared to fight the devil physically

how many devils did Che kill??

how many devils have YOU killed????

NONE

hahaha, I forgot about this retard.

You're statements are those of a simple man brainwashed my devils.

Che was a self-serving white person who got bored and played revolutionary.

And he WAS beloved by "the people" but for a very short period of time.

NOW, the only people who love him are ironic rich white kids and those who are not affected by the change he brought forth.

THose directly affected by his legacy today will tell you what kind of man he really was and the lasting damage he had on societies and people's lives. Including members of my family who live in Cuba today.

Fucking white people...

Ghost In The 'Lac
02-25-2010, 07:21 PM
how many devils did Che kill??

how many devils have YOU killed????

NONE

This guys got lines.

Mumm Ra
02-25-2010, 07:29 PM
lol not gonna lie that was a good one

SKAMPOE
02-25-2010, 07:46 PM
The middle class white youth hero. What do they know about him? Who keeps printing off his T shirts?




No offence and non taken but I find it ironic a spaniard calling others "lazy".
he wasnt a spaniard, he was a argentinian....
Plus he was a ruthless, indiscriminate murderer and rapist.
and thats^ thats all he was^... i lmao @ cats praising this fool... im 50%cuban and i know what this dude did for Castro and i know what he did to my family and all the cuban people in those times, When one deals with Communist stories one has the myth of Che. However, the myth of Che was created by Fidel who created the myth after he sent the mu fuckin idiot to die....

SKAMPOE
02-25-2010, 07:49 PM
also Che was never a doctor and his medical degree has never been produced.

SKAMPOE
02-25-2010, 07:52 PM
Guevara was very brave only when facing people who were bound and unarmed. In a typical scene of dementia NYC notables venerate Che who is planning to blow up the city they reside in. Of course the NYPD arrest a woman who was raped and imprisoned in one of Che's gulags and send her for mental health evaluations.

Che also lived in a mansion with a waterfall for "health reasons". He also had a yacht, rolex watch and big screen TV's for the same illness. Guevara thought of himself as an Argentinian Aristocrat. In one encounter he asks a person who he sent off to jail if he read a certain work by Kafka. The book describes the well known brutal treatment of homosexuals in Cuba who were sent to a labor camp with an Aushwitz like slogan at the top. Nazis proclaimed work will set you free and the Commies placed Work will make men out of you at their labor camp for gays.

BTTR KNG KOOL
02-25-2010, 08:00 PM
Wasnt Ches mother spaniard and father irish decend?

SKAMPOE
02-25-2010, 09:02 PM
whoights want u to belive that... same as tiger woods n obama n every successfull person not white..

knewcheeze
02-25-2010, 09:18 PM
he wasnt a spaniard, he was a argentinian....

and thats^ thats all he was^... i lmao @ cats praising this fool... im 50%cuban and i know what this dude did for Castro and i know what he did to my family and all the cuban people in those times, When one deals with Communist stories one has the myth of Che. However, the myth of Che was created by Fidel who created the myth after he sent the mu fuckin idiot to die....

okay...first of all...lets reiterate that
knowcheezey proved without a doubt
that Che was defineatly a lover of "Africa"
and the struggles in North America

lets leave the city of out-of-context and back to reality
okay....heres your stuffed animal

SKAMPOPE....you wrote so much and most of it
is just unreplyamabable...

and no Fidel did not send Che to die....cee
you making comments like that rips that bandaid
off that psychological booh booh which is
that you obviously don't know Cuban history of that period

Che told FIdel waaaaay back in 56 that he was gonna leave
Cuba eventually

Fidel wanted Che to stay....

so anyways everyone...
back to the main topic of this thread....
lets not CHANGE THE SUBJECT

eye have a quote that che specifically
equalates imperialism with white domination
but eye gotta find it

its from around 1965 when Che
broke with the Soviets

knewcheeze
02-25-2010, 09:21 PM
also Che was never a doctor and his medical degree has never been produced.

yeah Che agree's

he admitted he was a lousy doctor

but he did have a "degree"

but doctors ain't shit anyways

knewcheeze
02-25-2010, 09:40 PM
"Guevara was very brave only when facing people who were bound and unarmed."

cee once again.....you talking to people like they 3 years old
and showing an obvious lack of reading
when Che was in BOlivia and the USA stepped in to support
he was still fighting....even though starving
gettin eaten by mosquitos and shit

thats not brave???

the white superpowers in the congo was
killing people with airplanes

who are these bound and unarmed people
you speak off

ohhhhh are you speaking off...

yeah when Batista fled
they did have to execute alot of
people because
if they didn't
it would have been
MObb violence for the world to see

because batista's people
was raping people
torturing people

"In a typical scene of dementia NYC notables venerate Che who is planning to blow up the city they reside in."

huh? no your thinking of Lois Posada carriles the guy
who the USA set free after he killed how many people
on that airplane? now you just talking in babble!!!

"Of course the NYPD arrest a woman who was raped and imprisoned in one of Che's gulags and send her for mental health evaluations.

the reptutation that CHe and Fidel and em had
was the opposite of that

which one of us is correct?

sum of Batistas soldiers admitted they
didn't want to shoot at Che cuz
they liked him

"Che also lived in a mansion with a waterfall for "health reasons". He also had a yacht, rolex watch and big screen TV's for the same illness. "

are you gonna try stand up comedy now?
don't open with that

he wore clothes with holes in em
he worked 7 days a weak
sugar cane cutting
he worked himself to exhaustion
more proof of your total lack
of reading books son

"Guevara thought of himself as an Argentinian Aristocrat."

an Argentine aristocrat
leaving his WIFE AND CHILDREN
to go fight in a hot
bug infested
jungle?????? for years and years and years

can we get judge greg mathis up in here please?

"In one encounter he asks a person who he sent off to jail if he read a certain work by Kafka. The book describes the well known brutal treatment of homosexuals in Cuba who were sent to a labor camp with an Aushwitz like slogan at the top. Nazis proclaimed work will set you free and the Commies placed Work will make men out of you at their labor camp for gays"

your history is his story son

Che was actually the the key element which
kept abuse of power away from Cuba
he made sure those camps
didn't have cruelty
thats why Fidel wanted him to stay

as far as homosexuals
the only enviornment where
you have open homosexuality
is european ruled countries

cee when Batistia ruled before Castro
CUba was a den of theives
the white mafia
homosexuals prostitutes drugs
and all that shit
and most of these was non cubans
watch the movie JFK to learn
about the type of homosexual
underworld that Bastita's Cuba
was home to

so after Bastista was out
alot of homosexuals left over

BTTR KNG KOOL
02-25-2010, 10:27 PM
Che got rid of all the fags ! God bless him

Cuba Libre !

:no:

Sky Blue Danny Kid
02-25-2010, 10:31 PM
Damn, Knowcheeze is all over Che's crooked rapist dick.

Edit: By the way, how many devils have YOU killed? Pusseh?

TheBoarzHeadBoy
02-25-2010, 11:42 PM
I enjoy people in denial about this subject.

Che was a psychopath. Whether or not you are against communism you should be against Che. It isn't provocative because he's a "revolutionary" its provocative because he was a war criminal. Communism is a terrific idea on paper. I can't knock Marx too hard for thinking of it. I can't knock Lenin too hard for helping to implement it, because like everything else it deserved a chance to be tested. But then everyone after him ruined it.

Communism was wrong for Russia the same way Democracy was wrong for France. Its not the system, its the people implementing it. Both these countries were too out for blood and they could never wash the blood away so badly did it taint them later. The Republic fell and so did the Union. A nation conceived out of punishment cannot stand. Same reason Fascism didn't work. You can't have a central goal of punishing people and make things work.

knewcheeze
02-26-2010, 08:44 PM
before eye start

"Wu Corps Most Hardcore Caucasian Brooks Brothers Wearing Suburban Teenager"

more evidence that Che is most hated by middle
class and rich.....owl stop there

"Che was a psychopath."

then why did the people love him so?

batista was a psychopath

"Whether or not you are against communism you should be against Che.""
It isn't provocative because he's a "revolutionary" its provocative because he was a war criminal."

young suburbanite.....as eye stated earlier
if they didn't carry out executions there would
have been Mobb violence for the whole planet
too cee on television....the public would have
murdered these people Che and em served justice on
because these people were rapists and torturers

Fidel and Che and em had a reputation for
never torturing.....always treating the enemies wounded
and setting them free

"Communism is a terrific idea on paper. I can't knock Marx too hard for thinking of it. I can't knock Lenin too hard for helping to implement it, because like everything else it deserved a chance to be tested. But then everyone after him ruined it."

young suburbanite....by the early 1960's the USA
had commited thousands of acts of terrorism
against Fidel's Cuba's which started in 1959

the united states was the biggest terrorist
of the 20th century.....you young whippersnapper

and the 21st so far......

"Communism was wrong for Russia"

do you know how violent russia is now?

lol

its a hot mess over there

"the same way Democracy was wrong for France. "

if you say so

"Its not the system, its the people implementing it. Both these countries were too out for blood and they could never wash the blood away so badly did it taint them later. The Republic fell and so did the Union. A nation conceived out of punishment cannot stand. Same reason Fascism didn't work. You can't have a central goal of punishing people and make things work."

you remind me of the guy in the bar with
the poney tail that good will hunting served
up in the bar in "good will hunting"

keep on studying

TheBoarzHeadBoy
02-26-2010, 09:20 PM
before eye start

"Wu Corps Most Hardcore Caucasian Brooks Brothers Wearing Suburban Teenager"

more evidence that Che is most hated by middle
class and rich.....owl stop there

"Che was a psychopath."

then why did the people love him so?

batista was a psychopath

"Whether or not you are against communism you should be against Che.""
It isn't provocative because he's a "revolutionary" its provocative because he was a war criminal."

young suburbanite.....as eye stated earlier
if they didn't carry out executions there would
have been Mobb violence for the whole planet
too cee on television....the public would have
murdered these people Che and em served justice on
because these people were rapists and torturers

Fidel and Che and em had a reputation for
never torturing.....always treating the enemies wounded
and setting them free

"Communism is a terrific idea on paper. I can't knock Marx too hard for thinking of it. I can't knock Lenin too hard for helping to implement it, because like everything else it deserved a chance to be tested. But then everyone after him ruined it."

young suburbanite....by the early 1960's the USA
had commited thousands of acts of terrorism
against Fidel's Cuba's which started in 1959

the united states was the biggest terrorist
of the 20th century.....you young whippersnapper

and the 21st so far......

"Communism was wrong for Russia"

do you know how violent russia is now?

lol

its a hot mess over there

"the same way Democracy was wrong for France. "

if you say so

"Its not the system, its the people implementing it. Both these countries were too out for blood and they could never wash the blood away so badly did it taint them later. The Republic fell and so did the Union. A nation conceived out of punishment cannot stand. Same reason Fascism didn't work. You can't have a central goal of punishing people and make things work."

you remind me of the guy in the bar with
the poney tail that good will hunting served
up in the bar in "good will hunting"

keep on studying

Okay there are no good governments, but there are bad people. Che was a bad person. Why is that so hard to follow. Saying "Why did the people love Che?" is like saying "Why did people love Hitler?" its all spin. Its the same reason people hate some historical figures and love others. Some people sell themselves better then others.

You think you have it all figured out, but you weren't there. Your sources are no better then mine. Your sources say he was a hero, mine say he was a colossal twat fake revolutionary who didn't give a fuck about the real people and was in it for Che.

knewcheeze
02-26-2010, 11:23 PM
"Okay there are no good governments, but there are bad people."

more misleading statements from suburban thug
the white superpowers particularily the USA
is in every corner of the globe doing all types
of dirty shit to ENSURE no good governments get
set up

but eye do watch commercials with joe kennedy
where he brings oil to poor north americans
from "our friends in venezuela"

but since you a suburban thug
you problably would prefer a
USA/ MAFIA/ homosexual/pimp
prostitution/drug infested/SEGREGATED
Cuba

go there on spring break with your buds

this is what happens under any USA puppet
government

Cubans are so well educated
and healthy thanks to Fidel and em

it would have been 100 times worse

like eye said.....thousands of acts
of terrorism against CUba from
1959 to the early 60's
by the USA

"Che was a bad person."

yaw middle classers aren't offering any
evidence of that

all the evidence points to the fact he
died so young as a result of his rightouesness

"Why is that so hard to follow."

you offering no proof...thats why its so hard to follow

"Saying "Why did the people love Che?"

well since we have proven the author of this thread wrong
that it is really middle class rich suburbanites who hate che

eye guess you will never understand

"is like saying "Why did people love Hitler?" its all spin."

jesus christ what a strawman tactic

people who like hitler in the days and times
are pretty much exiled from most social
circles

hitler fans gotta keep that shit a secret

people wear che's shirts proudly

shit even Barak O-Bomb-yah
had a che poster at one time


"Its the same reason people hate some historical figures and love others. Some people sell themselves better then others."

che fought white nazi imperialists in the congo
the same white nazi imperialists who MalcolmX
condemned for killing innocent congolese women
and children

hitler took orders from the USA and british
EUGENICS movment

"You think you have it all figured out, but you weren't there. Your sources are no better then mine. Your sources say he was a hero"

yes eye get my history from Cuban sources

"mine say he was a colossal twat fake revolutionary who didn't give a fuck about the real people and was in it for Che."

yes you get yours from ultra right wing sources
who interview CIA killers like Mad Mike
who killed women and children in the COngo

what om wondering is
what is ultra right wingers doing
in a Wu Tang CLan message board?

ALCATRAZ
02-27-2010, 02:32 AM
i like 2 think of che as the most thugginest 'citizen' ever... the nigga was truly like you and i ... he was rich, but he was common folk... and look at what he did... none of u faggits could accomplish what he did... he took over the god damn country... A COUNTRY... fidel over here duckin like 735 assassination attempts from america n shit... man them niggaz are brolic fuck what u heard... che = cuban link fucking nigger

EAGLE EYE
02-27-2010, 02:37 AM
what om wondering is
what is ultra right wingers doing
in a Wu Tang CLan message board?

this is a neocon board in disguise. eye got sources.



you've been had

EAGLE EYE
02-27-2010, 02:39 AM
i like 2 think of che as the most thugginest 'citizen' ever... the nigga was truly like you and i ... he was rich, but he was common folk... and look at what he did... none of u faggits could accomplish what he did... he took over the god damn country... A COUNTRY... fidel over here duckin like 735 assassination attempts from america n shit... man them niggaz are brolic fuck what u heard... che = cuban link fucking nigger


he definitely embodies the "I am a motherfucker" spirit.

Sky Blue Danny Kid
02-27-2010, 07:21 AM
Notice that the only 2 people with family in Cuba know that Che was a horrible human being who made the life of Cubans worse, where as his biggest fans are a retard and a Chinese kid.

TheBoarzHeadBoy
02-27-2010, 11:06 AM
"Okay there are no good governments, but there are bad people."

more misleading statements from suburban thug
the white superpowers particularily the USA
is in every corner of the globe doing all types
of dirty shit to ENSURE no good governments get
set up

but eye do watch commercials with joe kennedy
where he brings oil to poor north americans
from "our friends in venezuela"

but since you a suburban thug
you problably would prefer a
USA/ MAFIA/ homosexual/pimp
prostitution/drug infested/SEGREGATED
Cuba

go there on spring break with your buds

this is what happens under any USA puppet
government

Cubans are so well educated
and healthy thanks to Fidel and em

it would have been 100 times worse

like eye said.....thousands of acts
of terrorism against CUba from
1959 to the early 60's
by the USA

"Che was a bad person."

yaw middle classers aren't offering any
evidence of that

all the evidence points to the fact he
died so young as a result of his rightouesness

"Why is that so hard to follow."

you offering no proof...thats why its so hard to follow

"Saying "Why did the people love Che?"

well since we have proven the author of this thread wrong
that it is really middle class rich suburbanites who hate che

eye guess you will never understand

"is like saying "Why did people love Hitler?" its all spin."

jesus christ what a strawman tactic

people who like hitler in the days and times
are pretty much exiled from most social
circles

hitler fans gotta keep that shit a secret

people wear che's shirts proudly

shit even Barak O-Bomb-yah
had a che poster at one time


"Its the same reason people hate some historical figures and love others. Some people sell themselves better then others."

che fought white nazi imperialists in the congo
the same white nazi imperialists who MalcolmX
condemned for killing innocent congolese women
and children

hitler took orders from the USA and british
EUGENICS movment

"You think you have it all figured out, but you weren't there. Your sources are no better then mine. Your sources say he was a hero"

yes eye get my history from Cuban sources

"mine say he was a colossal twat fake revolutionary who didn't give a fuck about the real people and was in it for Che."

yes you get yours from ultra right wing sources
who interview CIA killers like Mad Mike
who killed women and children in the COngo

what om wondering is
what is ultra right wingers doing
in a Wu Tang CLan message board?

No, but you see "Good Governments" aren't possible. You can get a fair government but not good. Good is a morally subjective term loaded with bias anyhow. Here's the facts. 1 person can be good. 2 people can try to do good things, but the more people you add on to an organization the more sway the bad apples get and it goes rotten.

I'd love for Cuba to be a tropical Las Vegas. The people there would have good service industry jobs. It would be beautiful, and it would be the spring break and honeymoon capital of the world. Las Vegas and Hawaii merged into one place? That's an awesome thing. It wouldn't be segregated dude, we got rid of that shit. The Mafia got taken down too. So don't argue that shit. We took that shit out. Drugs and Prostitution? Isn't that every man's dream? What's bad with that? Its all human nature son.

Comparing him to Hitler isn't a strawman. Its accurate. Cults of Personality dude. They're real problems and they're fake glory. I don't know what you're thinking about Nazis having to keep on the low, everyone in America is a little bit Nazi and the full blown Nazis have no problem expressing it.

What's wrong with Neoconservatives? You're just butt hurt because you don't have friends or go to parties.

RALPH WIGGUM
02-27-2010, 11:17 AM
Democracy was wrong for France.

What do you mean?

Dwyck
02-27-2010, 11:31 PM
Sadly The OP Demonstrates The Same Racist Ignorance By Posting This Topic... I For One Don't Support Racism But Understand That It Does Exist... And "Everyone" Is A Product Of Their Environment Whether They Like It Or Not... The Respect I Have For Che Isn't Based On His Personal Views But His Dedication To Change What "He" Felt Needed To Be Changed... The Fact That His Power Was Manifested From Almost Nothing Is What Impressed Me The Most... I Don't Have To Agree With Someone's Views To Respect Their Ambition And Heart To Fight The Impossible Fight...

It's Loosely The Same Reason I Listen To Wu-Tang I Guess... I Don't Share Most Of Their Beliefs And Views But I Respect The Way They Came From Nothing And Achieved The Power To Express Themselves The Way They See Fit... Which Is Why I Bark On Most Of These Clown Ass Posters That Judge And Micro Manage Their Music Like A Pop Magazine Tweener... As If They've Earned The Right Or Status... But That's Just My Opinion...

Urban_Journalz
02-28-2010, 06:05 AM
^^Thank you.

I'm sure most of you have forgotten all about when Eninem came out with the 'N' word about a chick he used to date, didn't you? Meaning, if you can forget about that, which, to me, is way worse, because there was no kind of saving grace for him except that he was mad, then this is child's play.

You put up the remark about the Congoese soldiers as being highly racist?? lol. Seriously?? Read it again o.k.? All he's saying is, "These fuckers don't know how this shit works! Hell, they don't know how their OWN shit works! So WTF?!" As for the rest, they've already been broken down into where Che was in life when he spoke like this. It would do you well to read some NON ANTI-CHE literature to try and get the real deal on the man, but this is way beyond your present capabilities.

I bet you'd have a real attitude if someone started a thread on how racist Malcolm X's comments could be at times and the FIRST thing that would come out of every mouth is, "That was before he went to Mecca!! He changed when he made that trip!!" Exactly. So, don't try to make Che out to be a fuckin' Klansman when you know good and well we did great things. Things that are admired, respected and loved to this very day. This little petty attempt at defamation? Come on, people have gotten up on National Television, created entire websites, trying to bring this man's image to the dust. If all that hasn't worked, where do you think this little shit thread stands??

TheBoarzHeadBoy
02-28-2010, 07:30 AM
What do you mean?

They botched the shit out of it by executing the aristocrats and anyone deemed a threat to the state (when they could just as easily confiscated their property and remove titles) which turned into a bloodbath which allowed Napoleon to seize power and waste thousands and thousands of lives in expansionary wars which did nothing longterm but restructure Europe to pave the way for the world wars to follow.

Sky Blue Danny Kid
02-28-2010, 08:42 AM
^^Thank you.

I'm sure most of you have forgotten all about when Eninem came out with the 'N' word about a chick he used to date, didn't you? Meaning, if you can forget about that, which, to me, is way worse, because there was no kind of saving grace for him except that he was mad, then this is child's play.

You put up the remark about the Congoese soldiers as being highly racist?? lol. Seriously?? Read it again o.k.? All he's saying is, "These fuckers don't know how this shit works! Hell, they don't know how their OWN shit works! So WTF?!" As for the rest, they've already been broken down into where Che was in life when he spoke like this. It would do you well to read some NON ANTI-CHE literature to try and get the real deal on the man, but this is way beyond your present capabilities.

I bet you'd have a real attitude if someone started a thread on how racist Malcolm X's comments could be at times and the FIRST thing that would come out of every mouth is, "That was before he went to Mecca!! He changed when he made that trip!!" Exactly. So, don't try to make Che out to be a fuckin' Klansman when you know good and well we did great things. Things that are admired, respected and loved to this very day. This little petty attempt at defamation? Come on, people have gotten up on National Television, created entire websites, trying to bring this man's image to the dust. If all that hasn't worked, where do you think this little shit thread stands??


So it doesn't matter that he killed, raped, massacred the innocent and ulitmately made people's lives worse? You just think he's cool because he rebelled?

RALPH WIGGUM
02-28-2010, 09:05 AM
They botched the shit out of it by executing the aristocrats and anyone deemed a threat to the state (when they could just as easily confiscated their property and remove titles) which turned into a bloodbath which allowed Napoleon to seize power and waste thousands and thousands of lives in expansionary wars which did nothing longterm but restructure Europe to pave the way for the world wars to follow.

No, the Terror allowed the Revolution to be completely established, and if Napoleon took power, it was because of the thermidorians who executed Robespierre and ended the executions of aristocrats to just execute their political ennemies (not that robespierre wasn't doing it also but it was mostly to keep the Revolution going), and made the Directoire, which led to napoleon seizing power.

TheBoarzHeadBoy
02-28-2010, 09:46 AM
Fair. But I think a Napoleon was bound to happen with the loss of authority. I think slower more controlled change works better. Killing people because of their ancestor's abuses isn't a fair basis for establishing a nation of Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity. Stripping them of power fine, confiscating their property maybe, throwing them in jail if need be sure, killing them because of their birth? No that's wrong.

You can't be mad at the rich for being born rich, like you shouldn't be mad that you were born poor. Its out of your hands. Its fate or something. I can't really understand how killing your King because of his incompetence is justified or his ditsy Queen or their innocent family.

These things were out of everyone's hands. I'd hardly call it a victory of the common people. It was a good idea twisted out of control and an abuse of the people and by the people. The nobles screwed over the commoners and the commoners screwed over the nobles. No one came out with clean hands. There wasn't really a moral high ground because they were too busy lopping heads off.

EDIT: Haha I just realized you're French.

knewcheeze
03-01-2010, 01:12 PM
"I'd love for Cuba to be a tropical Las Vegas."

ahhh...and there it is
the psychological bandaid is ripped off

yeah YOU would

yes you do love exploitation

which makes you no barometer of
who is bad or good

"The people there would have good service industry jobs."

sure in the land of make believe

"It would be beautiful, and it would be the spring break and honeymoon capital of the world. Las Vegas and Hawaii merged into one place? That's an awesome thing."

yes we established you
love exploitation

"It wouldn't be segregated dude, we got rid of that shit. The Mafia got taken down too. So don't argue that shit. We took that shit out. Drugs and Prostitution? Isn't that every man's dream? What's bad with that? Its all human nature son."

statements like this is why you hate che

he came to destroy your fake shit

you are mentally ill to love
debauchery
expoitation

"Comparing him to Hitler isn't a strawman. Its accurate. Cults of Personality dude."

hitler evil...che goodest of good


"They're real problems and they're fake glory. I don't know what you're thinking about Nazis having to keep on the low, everyone in America is a little bit Nazi and the full blown Nazis have no problem expressing it."

everyone....how old are you....7?

"What's wrong with Neoconservatives? You're just butt hurt because you don't have friends or go to parties."
neo-cons
at a wu tang message board?

well at least your not like ladies love cool dan

you admit it at least

you admit you down with those who master minded
911

food for thought
03-01-2010, 02:00 PM
^reped.

RALPH WIGGUM
03-01-2010, 02:13 PM
Fair. But I think a Napoleon was bound to happen with the loss of authority. I think slower more controlled change works better. Killing people because of their ancestor's abuses isn't a fair basis for establishing a nation of Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity. Stripping them of power fine, confiscating their property maybe, throwing them in jail if need be sure, killing them because of their birth? No that's wrong.

You can't be mad at the rich for being born rich, like you shouldn't be mad that you were born poor. Its out of your hands. Its fate or something. I can't really understand how killing your King because of his incompetence is justified or his ditsy Queen or their innocent family.

These things were out of everyone's hands. I'd hardly call it a victory of the common people. It was a good idea twisted out of control and an abuse of the people and by the people. The nobles screwed over the commoners and the commoners screwed over the nobles. No one came out with clean hands. There wasn't really a moral high ground because they were too busy lopping heads off.

EDIT: Haha I just realized you're French.

You got a point, even thought personally I think "Robespierre would have made Napoleon impossible."
But lets not forget the king wasn't innocent. He tried to flee the country and contacted other european monarchies to get them to declare war against France and the revolutionary government.
And its not only killing a man, its killing a system. If hes born as the King of France, hes gonna be the King of France until he dies, so only by executing him can you send the powerful message that the French people don't need no King. His wife is in the same situation, and the children weren't executed.
I call it a victory, because it got France out of absolute monarchy by divine right.

TheBoarzHeadBoy
03-01-2010, 04:08 PM
"I'd love for Cuba to be a tropical Las Vegas."

ahhh...and there it is
the psychological bandaid is ripped off

yeah YOU would

yes you do love exploitation

which makes you no barometer of
who is bad or good

"The people there would have good service industry jobs."

sure in the land of make believe

"It would be beautiful, and it would be the spring break and honeymoon capital of the world. Las Vegas and Hawaii merged into one place? That's an awesome thing."

yes we established you
love exploitation

"It wouldn't be segregated dude, we got rid of that shit. The Mafia got taken down too. So don't argue that shit. We took that shit out. Drugs and Prostitution? Isn't that every man's dream? What's bad with that? Its all human nature son."

statements like this is why you hate che

he came to destroy your fake shit

you are mentally ill to love
debauchery
expoitation

"Comparing him to Hitler isn't a strawman. Its accurate. Cults of Personality dude."

hitler evil...che goodest of good


"They're real problems and they're fake glory. I don't know what you're thinking about Nazis having to keep on the low, everyone in America is a little bit Nazi and the full blown Nazis have no problem expressing it."

everyone....how old are you....7?

"What's wrong with Neoconservatives? You're just butt hurt because you don't have friends or go to parties."
neo-cons
at a wu tang message board?

well at least your not like ladies love cool dan

you admit it at least

you admit you down with those who master minded
911

Hi I'm KnowCheese and I'm biased in hero worship beyond the line of common sense.

So you're suggesting that we should all work hard and not have fun? That's not healthy. No one gets exploited by having jobs dude. If Cuba was a tropical paradise (which it is) why would a tourist service industry based economy be enslavement like you think? I live by the ocean. Unlike a kid in Kansas I could get a job on a fishing ship relatively easily. Geography dictates economics.

Also you realize that Neo Conservatives are just the less liberal Jews and Catholics right? New conservative beings those conservatives who were always centrists but were Democrats until the approximate Reagan Era where conservatives joined together into a new broader Republican party? You make it sound like Neo Cons are bad... they're not.

Yeah, the roots of fascism are in the mind dude. Everyone is enticed by those principles. It caters directly to human psychology. Also most people are at least somewhat anti semitic. I'm down with the Jews but very anti Zionist (since they're largely making the same fuck ups in the middle east that the Nazis did in Europe), but that's anti semitic to the Zionists.

Though I hooked up with a hot Israeli girl the other night, but that's outside the scope. I didn't bring up my politics.

TheBoarzHeadBoy
03-01-2010, 04:25 PM
You got a point, even thought personally I think "Robespierre would have made Napoleon impossible."
But lets not forget the king wasn't innocent. He tried to flee the country and contacted other european monarchies to get them to declare war against France and the revolutionary government.
And its not only killing a man, its killing a system. If hes born as the King of France, hes gonna be the King of France until he dies, so only by executing him can you send the powerful message that the French people don't need no King. His wife is in the same situation, and the children weren't executed.
I call it a victory, because it got France out of absolute monarchy by divine right.

The Dauphin was killed I thought (again I'm no expert.) I assumed they were all killed for the same reason the Romanovs were. Total extinction of the lineage eliminating the possibility of a resurgence. Isn't that why it was the Duke of Orleans who was set up as Louis the 18th by the English? Or am I misremembering things.

But I totally understand the Killing of the Monarchy, I just think it's a dick move. Sort of like how the Japanese outlawed the whole Samurai system to modernize the country rather then just letting them keep their swords as dress weapons as soldiers and slowly phase out them out?

Feudalism is unfair, but its also unfair to switch overnight and leave entire groups of people with hundreds of years old traditions as no longer necessary. Its part of why I like the British so much, they managed to do things more gradually. Their civil war happened but it was very limited. It was fought by soldiers against soldiers and only the king really got murked. Then everyone realized Cromwell was King in all but name and eventually just brought back a limited Monarchy.

But then England's King was never the same sort of King as the French one. He was almost always a limited monarch.

Sky Blue Danny Kid
03-01-2010, 05:26 PM
"I'd love for Cuba to be a tropical Las Vegas."

ahhh...and there it is
the psychological bandaid is ripped off

yeah YOU would

yes you do love exploitation

which makes you no barometer of
who is bad or good

"The people there would have good service industry jobs."

sure in the land of make believe

"It would be beautiful, and it would be the spring break and honeymoon capital of the world. Las Vegas and Hawaii merged into one place? That's an awesome thing."

yes we established you
love exploitation

"It wouldn't be segregated dude, we got rid of that shit. The Mafia got taken down too. So don't argue that shit. We took that shit out. Drugs and Prostitution? Isn't that every man's dream? What's bad with that? Its all human nature son."

statements like this is why you hate che

he came to destroy your fake shit

you are mentally ill to love
debauchery
expoitation

"Comparing him to Hitler isn't a strawman. Its accurate. Cults of Personality dude."

hitler evil...che goodest of good


"They're real problems and they're fake glory. I don't know what you're thinking about Nazis having to keep on the low, everyone in America is a little bit Nazi and the full blown Nazis have no problem expressing it."

everyone....how old are you....7?

"What's wrong with Neoconservatives? You're just butt hurt because you don't have friends or go to parties."
neo-cons
at a wu tang message board?

well at least your not like ladies love cool dan

you admit it at least

you admit you down with those who master minded
911

People in Cuba, today, have worse lives than they would if Che had never existed.

You are uneducated and brainwashed.

If che pulled out his dick, would you suck it?

Urban_Journalz
03-01-2010, 06:32 PM
So it doesn't matter that he killed, raped, massacred the innocent and ulitmately made people's lives worse? You just think he's cool because he rebelled?

No son, I've actually read a FEW books on this man's life, unlike most of you who take a few quotes and go to either good or bad-mouthing. Yeah, I saw his image on shirts before, but never knew who he truly was. I picked up, "CHE: A Revolutionary Life." and THEN I started to be inspired. Again, like Malcolm, a lot of people talk smack and a lot of people praise. You have to get both sides of the story to know what's really happening, and from what I can see, you and a few others haven't done that. Again, if someone were to post about how racist Malcolm's quotes were BEFORE he went to Mecca, most of the site would start talkin' shit because most know, that was the OLD Malcolm. These quotes are of the OLD Che and even the ones that are post-Revolutionary, have a LOT of truth to them. Yo, I'm Black & Dominican, you think I don't know how lazy and complacent a lot of my people are??? This cat was speaking the truth in some instances, but he STILL went over to The Congo and tried to free those people. Don't forget that MOST of Cuba is Afro-Cuban.

Instead of those quotes, we would be better to remember other quotes like, "I don't care if I die, as long as someone else picks up my gun and keeps on shooting."

That's a quote WORTH quoting kid, because it's UNIVERSAL. Don't front like you, me, or anyone in the forum hasn't sat back and talked shit about another group of people based on a shitty stereo-type. We're ALL guilty. The determining factor is if you can get passed that shit and see everyone as yourself. Like the Mayans said son, "En La'Kech" or, "I am another YOU."

PEACE

TheBoarzHeadBoy
03-01-2010, 06:50 PM
Unless that's a metaphor that's not a brilliant quote. If he's saying I'll martyr if others complete my work fine, but to me that sounds like he's suggesting that war should never end and that violence is the answer.

Sky Blue Danny Kid
03-01-2010, 08:08 PM
No son, I've actually read a FEW books on this man's life, unlike most of you who take a few quotes and go to either good or bad-mouthing. Yeah, I saw his image on shirts before, but never knew who he truly was. I picked up, "CHE: A Revolutionary Life." and THEN I started to be inspired. Again, like Malcolm, a lot of people talk smack and a lot of people praise. You have to get both sides of the story to know what's really happening, and from what I can see, you and a few others haven't done that. Again, if someone were to post about how racist Malcolm's quotes were BEFORE he went to Mecca, most of the site would start talkin' shit because most know, that was the OLD Malcolm. These quotes are of the OLD Che and even the ones that are post-Revolutionary, have a LOT of truth to them. Yo, I'm Black & Dominican, you think I don't know how lazy and complacent a lot of my people are??? This cat was speaking the truth in some instances, but he STILL went over to The Congo and tried to free those people. Don't forget that MOST of Cuba is Afro-Cuban.

Instead of those quotes, we would be better to remember other quotes like, "I don't care if I die, as long as someone else picks up my gun and keeps on shooting."

That's a quote WORTH quoting kid, because it's UNIVERSAL. Don't front like you, me, or anyone in the forum hasn't sat back and talked shit about another group of people based on a shitty stereo-type. We're ALL guilty. The determining factor is if you can get passed that shit and see everyone as yourself. Like the Mayans said son, "En La'Kech" or, "I am another YOU."

PEACE

So, stripping away your fluff and condescension, you're saying that you think Che was cool because he was a rebel.

It doesn't matter that not only were his motivations suspect at best, but that his entire fight and ultimately the results were detrimental to everyone with which they were associated?

I have not only studied the man from both sides, but my family knew him and Castro.

They offered to make my grandfather, an already wealthy man, even wealthier if he would rat out anybody who said, or might be thinking of saying, anything negative of "the revolution".

I have family that lived in Cuba before and during Castro's ascension to power, and I have family that lives there now.

They still feel the pain that Che caused directly.

But you read a book once and selectively interpreted it to back up your preconceived notions, so I guess you're an expert.

EAGLE EYE
03-01-2010, 08:19 PM
I guess I might as well research Christopher Columbus, get both sides of the story, and if he has any heroic qualities that can be interpreted universally I'll start printing off the t-shirts.



You will all get one free at the upcoming KTL conference being held at the Marriott.

knewcheeze
03-02-2010, 09:12 AM
Hi I'm KnowCheese and I'm biased in hero worship beyond the line of common sense.

So you're suggesting that we should all work hard and not have fun? That's not healthy. No one gets exploited by having jobs dude. If Cuba was a tropical paradise (which it is) why would a tourist service industry based economy be enslavement like you think? I live by the ocean. Unlike a kid in Kansas I could get a job on a fishing ship relatively easily. Geography dictates economics.

Also you realize that Neo Conservatives are just the less liberal Jews and Catholics right? New conservative beings those conservatives who were always centrists but were Democrats until the approximate Reagan Era where conservatives joined together into a new broader Republican party? You make it sound like Neo Cons are bad... they're not.

Yeah, the roots of fascism are in the mind dude. Everyone is enticed by those principles. It caters directly to human psychology. Also most people are at least somewhat anti semitic. I'm down with the Jews but very anti Zionist (since they're largely making the same fuck ups in the middle east that the Nazis did in Europe), but that's anti semitic to the Zionists.

Though I hooked up with a hot Israeli girl the other night, but that's outside the scope. I didn't bring up my politics.

sorry....you basically removed the psychological bandaid

you just admitted you love expoitation

you love young women prostituting themselves

you love drug addiction

you love homosexual dens

theres really not much more to say
pertaining your exploitation loving ass

and its all the more reason why to support
Che....because he came to murder folks
like you who love exploitation

knewcheeze
03-02-2010, 09:18 AM
So, stripping away your fluff and condescension, you're saying that you think Che was cool because he was a rebel.

It doesn't matter that not only were his motivations suspect at best, but that his entire fight and ultimately the results were detrimental to everyone with which they were associated?

I have not only studied the man from both sides, but my family knew him and Castro.

They offered to make my grandfather, an already wealthy man, even wealthier if he would rat out anybody who said, or might be thinking of saying, anything negative of "the revolution".

I have family that lived in Cuba before and during Castro's ascension to power, and I have family that lives there now.

They still feel the pain that Che caused directly.

But you read a book once and selectively interpreted it to back up your preconceived notions, so I guess you're an expert.

danu fubu??? you still here?

you wanna be one of wutangcorps biggest assholes
biggest white supremists
you get constantly served up in here and for some
reason come back for more

you have NO moral grounds to stand on

nobody listens to you

and really....if your fucking punk ass family
acts like YOU DO....then eye can understand
why Che and Fidel caused them so much problems

you one of the biggest devils at wutang corp

and NOW you wanna be taken seriously?????

its way past your bedtime bitch

put on your pajamas with the footsies and
get your ass in bed

om sorry dude

your behavior is pretty fuckin ugly

you drop absolutely ZERO Knowledge

your parents did a fucking shitty ass job
raising you OBVIOUSLY

yes.....Che came to murder your type

long live EL FUSOR ERNESTO CHE GUEVARA!!!!!!

knewcheeze
03-02-2010, 09:23 AM
and thanks to the starter of this thread

it really gave da eye a chance to let off some steam

so what have we learned today???

a)despite what certain people in this thread
wanted to propagate....Che is defineatly
most hated by middle class and rich people
b)Che is hated by people who love exploitation
c)people will go to a ultra right wing website
and cut and paste quotes that are taken
completely out of context in a feeble vein
attempt to throw dirt on the man
d)you can't throw dirt on Che Guevara
his record stands for itself
everyone and they momma loved che
e)dany Fubu's parents did a horrible
parenting job which means his gusano
grandparents did a shitty parenting job

Urban_Journalz
03-02-2010, 09:26 AM
So, stripping away your fluff and condescension, you're saying that you think Che was cool because he was a rebel.

It doesn't matter that not only were his motivations suspect at best, but that his entire fight and ultimately the results were detrimental to everyone with which they were associated?

I have not only studied the man from both sides, but my family knew him and Castro.

They offered to make my grandfather, an already wealthy man, even wealthier if he would rat out anybody who said, or might be thinking of saying, anything negative of "the revolution".

I have family that lived in Cuba before and during Castro's ascension to power, and I have family that lives there now.

They still feel the pain that Che caused directly.

But you read a book once and selectively interpreted it to back up your preconceived notions, so I guess you're an expert.

I guess I might as well research Christopher Columbus, get both sides of the story, and if he has any heroic qualities that can be interpreted universally I'll start printing off the t-shirts.



You will all get one free at the upcoming KTL conference being held at the Marriott.

Since you're talking about a man who's praised by most of the same class that can't stand Che, know yourself out. Columbus' image is always presented as squeaky clean. So is George Washington's and so is The Government that they helped establish. On the other hand, you have people that believe they're part of a grand conspiracy to take over the world. Others who believe they and everyone like them has our best interest at heart. One takes things at face value, the other digs for information.

I dig for information. And again, since neither one of you have done extensive research, and in one case, chooses to take what someone else tells them and run with it, not finding out the information for himself, from perhaps another source other than his own, you're all bringing a one-sided arguement to the table.

Why do I respect Che? Because he's an example of courage and unwavering strength. Talk all the shit you want about him, because all you're really doing is helping his popularity. You're not really important until someone doesn't like you.

Like it or not, there are Guerrilla factions all over the world that still wave flags with his face on it, because he inspired people all around the world who want justice and freedom from oppressive governments. Just like Malcolm, Guy Fawkes, William Wallace and others.

Any news articles or something to prove any of these atrocities that were supposedly committed? Oh, and please remember, in war, people die. I bet you if Che was American and The Batistas were Iraqis, all of you would shut the fuck up as far as that, "war criminal" shit is concerned. :W

knewcheeze
03-02-2010, 09:36 AM
"I bet you if Che was American and The Batistas were Iraqis, all of you would shut the fuck up as far as that, "war criminal" shit is concerned"

yup

because the USA will turn countries
into "Las Vegas" so they can get
that exploitation they love so much!!!!

Ghost In The 'Lac
03-02-2010, 10:37 AM
Why do I respect Che? Because he's an example of courage and unwavering strength. Talk all the shit you want about him, because all you're really doing is helping his popularity. You're not really important until someone doesn't like you.


Replace the word Che for Hitler and re-read your post. Those are bizarre reasons to idolise a man.

Also, the ends don't justify the means. He was a rebel, thats good for him, but as far as i can see he's done enough bad shit for me not to respect/look up to him, as a man., ever.

knewcheeze
03-02-2010, 11:44 AM
Replace the word Che for Hitler and re-read your post. Those are bizarre reasons to idolise a man.

Also, the ends don't justify the means. He was a rebel, thats good for him, but as far as i can see he's done enough bad shit for me not to respect/look up to him, as a man., ever.

this is comming from someone who
cuts and pastes from ULTRA right wing websites
of quotes completely out of context

the important thing is we proved
with help from the other ultra right wing posters
in this thread is that

CHe is hated by rich and middle class whites
who love exploitation

and yet still....Franchize and others
haven't given ONE un-refutable example of
how Che was bad

he's bad to you because he's come to destroy
your fake shit

knewcheeze
03-02-2010, 11:45 AM
hitler=a PUPPET of the USA and Britan who killed millions
of innocent women and children and men

Che=the one who battled the PUPPETEER and only killed
those who deserved to die(torturers, rapists, killers)

take that shit back to the stormfront

knewcheeze
03-02-2010, 11:48 AM
Che battled the puppeteer

Hitler obeyed the puppeteers every fuckin command

the puppeteer is the global system of white supremacy

the 10 percent

Che wrote in a letter to his family
when he was in the Sierra Maestra
killing Dany Fubu's forefathers

"God is an Argentine"

Che didn't believe in no spooky mystery God either

PEACE

Ghost In The 'Lac
03-02-2010, 12:09 PM
this is comming from someone who
cuts and pastes from ULTRA right wing websites


Do you know why theyve been posted on racist forums? BECAUSE HE SAID RACIST SHIT. AND THEY LIKE PEOPLE WHO SAY RACIST SHIT.

It seems to bother you more that theyve been posted on racist forums rather than the fact they were posted by Che himself, in his own books.

These are his own words. Who cares where else theyve been posted. It's beside the point. Thats what happens when you write racist shit.




CHe is hated by rich and middle class whites
who love exploitation



Dude, wtf, are you living under a rock? Che is the white middle class rebelling teen culture hero. They love him. Although i'm pretty sure most of them dont know that he held racist beliefs.

TheBoarzHeadBoy
03-02-2010, 02:23 PM
sorry....you basically removed the psychological bandaid

you just admitted you love expoitation

you love young women prostituting themselves

you love drug addiction

you love homosexual dens

theres really not much more to say
pertaining your exploitation loving ass

and its all the more reason why to support
Che....because he came to murder folks
like you who love exploitation

Whats the problem with them? If a woman wants me to pay her for sex let her make that deal. I'm supposed to support a wife as a companion, why not a prostitute. A mistress falls in between as does a courtesan. Thats a strange law. Its protecting marriage and nothing else.

I don't think drugs are bad dude. They're dangerous if used wrong but not bad. Abuse is bad. Use is not. This is a rap forum. Everyone here me including smokes weed on the regular and probably has done coke before and other shit.

What did gays do to anyone? Its a natural thing. Haven't you ever seen animals? They have homosexual sex. Not uncommon. Sex feels good and organisms like feeling good.

Che exploited the poverty of the Cuban People to launch an unethical regime out of an unethical regime by lying that he was good.

RALPH WIGGUM
03-02-2010, 02:25 PM
The Dauphin was killed I thought (again I'm no expert.) I assumed they were all killed for the same reason the Romanovs were. Total extinction of the lineage eliminating the possibility of a resurgence. Isn't that why it was the Duke of Orleans who was set up as Louis the 18th by the English? Or am I misremembering things.

But I totally understand the Killing of the Monarchy, I just think it's a dick move. Sort of like how the Japanese outlawed the whole Samurai system to modernize the country rather then just letting them keep their swords as dress weapons as soldiers and slowly phase out them out?

Feudalism is unfair, but its also unfair to switch overnight and leave entire groups of people with hundreds of years old traditions as no longer necessary. Its part of why I like the British so much, they managed to do things more gradually. Their civil war happened but it was very limited. It was fought by soldiers against soldiers and only the king really got murked. Then everyone realized Cromwell was King in all but name and eventually just brought back a limited Monarchy.

But then England's King was never the same sort of King as the French one. He was almost always a limited monarch.

No the first dauphin died of illness in 1788, and the other one's death remains a mistery, even though it is supected he died of illness as well in prison.

And the difference with England is that the privileged people agreed to change the system, whereas in France they refused any kind of change, which led to the Revolution. Its a difference of mentality, like when the British gave India independance to be able to keep an influence, while the French refused Indochine and Algery's indepedance and chose war.

But I'm glad the Revolution happenned, cause it also brought dechristianization.

Sky Blue Danny Kid
03-02-2010, 06:01 PM
danu fubu??? you still here?

you wanna be one of wutangcorps biggest assholes
biggest white supremists
you get constantly served up in here and for some
reason come back for more

you have NO moral grounds to stand on

nobody listens to you

and really....if your fucking punk ass family
acts like YOU DO....then eye can understand
why Che and Fidel caused them so much problems

you one of the biggest devils at wutang corp

and NOW you wanna be taken seriously?????

its way past your bedtime bitch

put on your pajamas with the footsies and
get your ass in bed

om sorry dude

your behavior is pretty fuckin ugly

you drop absolutely ZERO Knowledge

your parents did a fucking shitty ass job
raising you OBVIOUSLY

yes.....Che came to murder your type

long live EL FUSOR ERNESTO CHE GUEVARA!!!!!!

and thanks to the starter of this thread

it really gave da eye a chance to let off some steam

so what have we learned today???

a)despite what certain people in this thread
wanted to propagate....Che is defineatly
most hated by middle class and rich people
b)Che is hated by people who love exploitation
c)people will go to a ultra right wing website
and cut and paste quotes that are taken
completely out of context in a feeble vein
attempt to throw dirt on the man
d)you can't throw dirt on Che Guevara
his record stands for itself
everyone and they momma loved che
e)dany Fubu's parents did a horrible
parenting job which means his gusano
grandparents did a shitty parenting job

Che battled the puppeteer

Hitler obeyed the puppeteers every fuckin command

the puppeteer is the global system of white supremacy

the 10 percent

Che wrote in a letter to his family
when he was in the Sierra Maestra
killing Dany Fubu's forefathers

"God is an Argentine"

Che didn't believe in no spooky mystery God either

PEACE

^^^Note how the devil lies, cowers, hisses and insults when confronted with divine truth.

LOL. I must have really hurt your feelings back in the day.

But again, this thread isn't about you or your feminine tendencies or your life of failure and jealousy.

It is about the fact that Che was a devil, and you have a mouth full of devil dick.

You can spread all of the lies you want, and put your hurt feelings on display, but it doesn't change the truth.

PM me for counsling. I will be your BIg Brother.

Sky Blue Danny Kid
03-02-2010, 06:06 PM
Since you're talking about a man who's praised by most of the same class that can't stand Che, know yourself out. Columbus' image is always presented as squeaky clean. So is George Washington's and so is The Government that they helped establish. On the other hand, you have people that believe they're part of a grand conspiracy to take over the world. Others who believe they and everyone like them has our best interest at heart. One takes things at face value, the other digs for information.

I dig for information. And again, since neither one of you have done extensive research, and in one case, chooses to take what someone else tells them and run with it, not finding out the information for himself, from perhaps another source other than his own, you're all bringing a one-sided arguement to the table.

Why do I respect Che? Because he's an example of courage and unwavering strength. Talk all the shit you want about him, because all you're really doing is helping his popularity. You're not really important until someone doesn't like you.

Like it or not, there are Guerrilla factions all over the world that still wave flags with his face on it, because he inspired people all around the world who want justice and freedom from oppressive governments. Just like Malcolm, Guy Fawkes, William Wallace and others.

Any news articles or something to prove any of these atrocities that were supposedly committed? Oh, and please remember, in war, people die. I bet you if Che was American and The Batistas were Iraqis, all of you would shut the fuck up as far as that, "war criminal" shit is concerned. :W

I like how you assume that you are the only one who has done research, and then go on to discount the multitude of firsthand sources that I have spoken to IN ADDITION to looking at both sides of the story.

It seems that you are more interested in trying to prove yourself than discuss facts.

AGAIN, Che made the lives of most everyone he affected, ESPECIALLY those who's rights he claimed to be championing, WORSE.

I'm glad he's inspired you, and if people want to use Che as an inspiration to promote positive change, then great. But that certainly isn't what he accomplished.

TheBoarzHeadBoy
03-02-2010, 08:49 PM
PM me for counsling. I will be your BIg Brother.

Big Brother is watching you.

http://www.j2fi.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/big_brother_1984.jpg

Sky Blue Danny Kid
03-02-2010, 08:54 PM
Good. I feel safe and protected.

knewcheeze
03-03-2010, 04:57 AM
"Do you know why theyve been posted on racist forums? BECAUSE HE SAID RACIST SHIT. AND THEY LIKE PEOPLE WHO SAY RACIST SHIT."

you know eye was gonna bring this up
and here you go bring it up yourself

this shit you originally posted here to start this thread

when eye was looking for these quotes

guess what?

eye found them in the EXACT same order you posted them

at mostly ULTRA RIGHT WING websites....

and even at stormfront

which basically means....you(franchize)
get your fuckin news from ultra right wingers
and nazi's....lol

simple motherfuckin mathmatics!!!!!!!

"It seems to bother you more that theyve been posted on racist forums rather than the fact they were posted by Che himself, in his own books."

we will get to that in a second
and let me tell you son....passive aggressive behavior
is feminine and bitch like......

yes there are people who work for this
Puppeteer eye speak of who still to this
day try to dig up all the dirt they can
on the great ones

but that doesn't excuse the fact
that you get your news from
right wingers and inbred skinheads

the quotes came in the exact same order
you posted them....lol

why don't you just go to bohemian grove
and suck sum dicks cuz what you are
doing here in no different

"These are his own words. Who cares where else theyve been posted. It's beside the point. Thats what happens when you write racist shit."

lets revisit

the most obviously suspect quote iz the one
about the COngo-lese

if you ever read a book or studyed the subject
above you would know that some of the higher
ranking COngolese soldiers Che was working
with was more concerned with getting
pussy and and getting drunk as well as lower
ranking ones

on their first ambush many of the COngolese
soldiers threw down their weapons and just
ran

he was basically in this quote giving you a run
down of the situation he faced there

so......1/4th of your quotes doesn't
really prove your theory.....franch fries

and the fact that Che was up in sum
jungle getting eaten up by bugs
with a tiny untrained undisicplined army
having bad fuckin asthma attacks
away from his wife and children
battling the same white mercenaries
who Malcolm da X condemned for
airplane bombing of
congolese....men.....women...and children

proves you and your buddy's wrong

two of your quotes you listed
was from around 1950, 51 and 52

one of them you left out the whole
quote....well u didn't....your
news source did....

"The blacks, those magnificent examples of the African race who have conserved their racial purity by a lack of affinity with washing, have seen their patch invaded by a different kind of slave: The Portugese.... the black is indolent and fanciful, he spends his money on frivolity and drink; the European comes from a tradition of working and saving which follows him to this corner of America and drives him to get ahead."

ummmm.... little rough around the edges
but that quote is from early 50's

a maricon such as yourself could problably
take a bunch of pre-1963 Malcolm X
quotes and try to butcher him as well

but om not buyin it

the first, very pro black part of the quote basically says...

the MAGNIFICIENT black race
who have remarkably kept their
race PURE
is being INVADED by different type of slave.....
a portugese Slave!!!!!
portugal is in where......EUROPE...

your rope is your psychological booh booh's

franch fries

then he goes on to describe
this "SLAVE INVADER" the portugese european
as a worker and saver of money
and the black man as chasing
frivolity and drink

almost sounds like ELijah Muhammad

this was CHe's observation of
the Carribean COast of SOuth
America in the early 50's before
he was "CHe"

and to add on......
when you forsake someone like
Castro and CHavez for a USA puppet dictator
your gonna have oppressed black
people who can't get ahead
while european "invader slaves"
will come and have way more
opportunity due to having
the mighty YOU ROPE connection

moving on....

the 3rd quote.....Mexicans are a band
of illiterate indians

from the early 1950's

just another observation

DOn Juan Matus said the same thing

Che also would later on in life
call Mexico a dollar democracy

thats what happens when you
a USA puppet....
a new las vegas for fags to buttfuck each
other at

you got
illiterate poor people

when FIdel and CHe and em was trying
to erase illiteracy in CUba
does that make him racist?

no....they identifying the problem

now....the 4th quote.....eye can't
find the interview

it was right after Che entered Havana
in 1959

and knowing how Che was trying
to eradicate Racism he was
problably offended by the question

it would be like asking him

what are you going to do for whites

Che was all about Equality

he didn't want to divide people up by
race

in fact when he filled out
his first Cuban nationality card
Che left the race section
blank

and he said it was because
he wanted a unified CUba
with equality in race relations


"Dude, wtf, are you living under a rock? Che is the white middle class rebelling teen culture hero. They love him. Although i'm pretty sure most of them dont know that he held racist beliefs."

dude wtf get the gerbils out your ass

you got no proof

but in this retarded ass thread we have all
the proof we need

the living classroom

this thread is a science experiment

one of the people who agreed with you
self describes himself as a brooks
brothers wearing caucasian surburban thug!!!????!!!!
a guy who admits
he wants 3rd world
countries to be turned
into
Las Vegas

and then you got Danu Fubu
no explanation needed

this thread speaks for it self you fuckin Maricon
about what DEMOGRAPHIC hates che

lol

in closing

Bone Thugs is ok

eye call them whiteboy rap
because
whiteboys in particular love them
some bonethugs

but eye do find it odd that Myka Nyne
ghost wrote for NWA for years
and all off a sudden this
group comes out produced
by Easy E that sounds a
whole lot like one of the many styles
of the freestyle fellowship.......cruuuuuu!!!

yeah Dead Prez one of the few groups remaining
that throws the Cracker bomb around
in they lyrics.....got a picture of
Che in the video where they shoot
the cop.....

thank u come again

knewcheeze
03-03-2010, 04:59 AM
^^^Note how the devil lies, cowers, hisses and insults when confronted with divine truth.

LOL. I must have really hurt your feelings back in the day.

But again, this thread isn't about you or your feminine tendencies or your life of failure and jealousy.

It is about the fact that Che was a devil, and you have a mouth full of devil dick.

You can spread all of the lies you want, and put your hurt feelings on display, but it doesn't change the truth.

PM me for counsling. I will be your BIg Brother.

you notice eye ain't even replying to you

cuz you a fuckin hack

and not a successfull hack

you a internet message board hack

get a fuckin life

your parents really did a shitty job
raising you

you drop knothing worthwhile

its all hate from you

Ghost In The 'Lac
03-03-2010, 07:10 AM
Words from an ACTUALY Cuban, from the time

I feel that I have to intervene here.

I was six years old in 1959 living in a small town in what was then the Pinar de Rio providence of Cuba. Today that town is in Habana Campo. Of course at that age I did not have an understanding of the chaos and events going on around me. Violence had not really touched the western Providences the way they had affected the eastern Providences from where the barbudos had marched down from the Sierra Maestra. I remember my father's euphoric enthusiasm and hope for Cuba's future when Batista fled. I remember him wearing his red and black armband with the number 26 on it. I remember also my mothers sarcasm at the new leader of Cuba and her criticism of my father for being a Castro supporter. That euphoric enthusiasm slowly turned to disappointment as the summary executions became a regular event in Cuba mainly revealed through rumors and unoffial then official reports. First there was disappearance of Camilo Cienfuegos under questionable circumstances as Castro consolidated power. That was the final event that turned my father against the new Castro government. My mother could not help that I told you so. I remember my uncles and grandfather being picked up and detained for no reason other than suspicion for being counter-revolutionaries, which they weren't. They were opposed to the new regime, but that was grounds for suspicion. I remember the vigils of my mother, my aunts and grandmother at the notorious Guanajay prison trying to get word on their men, brothers, husbands and sons. Later one of those uncles would do 2 tours in the Cuban adventure in Angola. A total of 4 years in the African jungles. I remember in the early 60's right before the missile crises as my father was forced to dig huge trenches. I'm still not sure what they were for. I remember the blackouts in the middle of the night and how my house trembled. How my father and I peeked out the window and we saw large tread-ed vehicles with canopies covering something cylindrical as cargo. My sister and I were sent to Habana were it as safer. But were does Guevara come in? Guevara tied all of this together and I came to realize this later. My father took me one afternoon to the Malecon. The iconic walk along the shores of Habana Harbour. On the other side of the harbour is the famous Morro Castle with it's iconic lighthouse built during colonial times. Adjacent to it was La Cabana, an old Spanish presidio or prison. I remember my father asking me to be quiet and to let him listen as we stood there on the Malecon. I listened too. I could hear a distant cracking sound. I knew he heard too. I asked what the cracking sound was, I didn't get an answer. Later when I was older I realized that the cracking sound was the firing squad ending men's lives. Some of them as young as 18 years old. Today an 18 year old to me is more a child than a man. Guevara was the head of the revolutionary tribunals that was handing down these death sentences. He was a one man judge and jury and appeals panel all wrapped into one. He had the final word on these men's lives. He personally sentenced over 800 men to their deaths. The overwhelming majority, if not all, summarily executed on political grounds. Not for criminal offenses. Guevara was a mass murderer. A violator of the most basic human right, the right to life. For whom he was, I could not imagine a more fitting end for him in the mountains of Bolivia. He deserved his end, in some ways it was poetic justice. Some people are such a plague on humanity that it is better that they don't exist. Guevara was one of those people. He died like the animal that he was.

As for the admiration I see many have for Guevara I like to subscribe to Jose Marti philosophy on this, "sin patria pero sin amo".


source http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread501866/pg2


Your a victim of the power of image.

I'll tell you again, as your so obsessed by it

His qoutes are posted on racist sites, because he was a racist. Why are you so heated about the fact?

these same qoutes are posted all over the web, I copy and pasted mine from Yahoo answers.

http://bastarduniverse.blogspot.com/2005/02/che-guevara-racist-homophobe-and-anti.html

black pride website
http://boards.brownpride.com/showthread.php/che-guevara-racist-54670.html

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread501866/pg1

TheBoarzHeadBoy
03-03-2010, 03:56 PM
"Dude, wtf, are you living under a rock? Che is the white middle class rebelling teen culture hero. They love him. Although i'm pretty sure most of them dont know that he held racist beliefs."

dude wtf get the gerbils out your ass

you got no proof

but in this retarded ass thread we have all
the proof we need

the living classroom

this thread is a science experiment

one of the people who agreed with you
self describes himself as a brooks
brothers wearing caucasian surburban thug!!!????!!!!
a guy who admits
he wants 3rd world
countries to be turned
into
Las Vegas

and then you got Danu Fubu
no explanation needed

this thread speaks for it self you fuckin Maricon
about what DEMOGRAPHIC hates che

lol

in closing

Bone Thugs is ok

eye call them whiteboy rap
because
whiteboys in particular love them
some bonethugs

but eye do find it odd that Myka Nyne
ghost wrote for NWA for years
and all off a sudden this
group comes out produced
by Easy E that sounds a
whole lot like one of the many styles
of the freestyle fellowship.......cruuuuuu!!!

yeah Dead Prez one of the few groups remaining
that throws the Cracker bomb around
in they lyrics.....got a picture of
Che in the video where they shoot
the cop.....

thank u come again

Hahahaaha have you even been to Las Vegas? Pre Market crash it was one of the nicest places to raise a family in America and thus the world.

I like how you turn it into a music discussion bro. Dead Prez? Liking Che? So he must be good. Dead Prez are a couple of black communists or anarchists writing anti establishment lyrics. Hardly the unbiased intelligent source for garnering knowledge. If they were smarter they wouldn't be artists. Artists don't think with their mind, they think with there heart (which is good and important, both to society, and to this discussion). So they agree with the idea of Che, but who knows how they'd have like him if they knew him.

Who said I was thug? I said I'm Wu Corps Most Hardcore (in terms of my partying) Brooks Brothers Wearing (As in I rock class) Surburban (Real American) Teenager (I've got 17 years of being smarter then you)

knewcheeze
03-04-2010, 10:25 AM
eye notice you didn't address any
of the inconsistencies in those
quotes you dropped

well the quotes your right wing
news sources dropped

silence on that from Mr. Franchfries....ok

but thats no big suprise...this goose
is almost cooked!!!!

"First there was disappearance of Camilo Cienfuegos under questionable circumstances as Castro consolidated power."

cee franchfries.....cee this is why eye loves the universe

you start a thread that states that Che is loved
mainly by middle class white youth

yet the only person who agree's with you
is a person who says he's a thugged
out hardcore brooks brothers wearing
caucasian suburbanite....lol

and no....dany fubu isn't a person..he's a animal

theres unceen forces making you look like
a fuckin tool

Camilo died in a plane crash true.......but
the person who wrote this little bullshit
expose is obviously biased and telling
lies from the get go.....when Camillo
dissappeared Che personally searched
for days and days.....anyone who says
Fidel had something to do with
Camillo's murder is SUSPECT
Since the USA had committed
over 2000 acts of terrorism against
Cuba from 1959-1963 it would be
safe to say Camillo was killed by the CIA

how many Cubans died from USA
terrorism?


the true history is that Fidel needed
Che and Camillo to keep things from
getting corrupt...not the other way
around as you devils claim

"That was the final event that turned my father against the new Castro government. My mother could not help that I told you so."

huh?????? Camillo getting murdered by the CIA
was the last straw against Castro.....huh?????

"I remember my uncles and grandfather being picked up and detained for no reason other than suspicion for being counter-revolutionaries, which they weren't. They were opposed to the new regime, but that was grounds for suspicion."

welll.....the gusano writer of this bullshit expose
is claiming Fidel killed Camillo????

damn eye understand why Castro detained these people

good work Castro!!!!!! lock up those liars



"I remember the vigils of my mother, my aunts and grandmother at the notorious Guanajay prison trying to get word on their men, brothers, husbands and sons."

hey...you wanna spread lies and shit
making sum bullshit story about
how Fidel killed Camillo......

hey you deserve to get locked up

especially when your country is at
war against the great imperialist beast
the USA


"Later one of those uncles would do 2 tours in the Cuban adventure in Angola. A total of 4 years in the African jungles."

okay?

"I remember in the early 60's right before the missile crises as my father was forced to dig huge trenches. I'm still not sure what they were for."

LOL.....not sure what they are for????

this person is mad suspect...

oh eye fuckin wonder what a huge trench is
used for in war.....are you fuckin retarded??????

nobody ever dug a trench for war.....

om being sarchastic

Che guevara worked hard 7 days a week
doing all types of hard labor
including digging trenches

"I remember the blackouts in the middle of the night and how my house trembled."

yes USA was waging covert war against Cuba

"How my father and I peeked out the window and we saw large tread-ed vehicles with canopies covering something cylindrical as cargo. My sister and I were sent to Habana were it as safer."

oh my goodness!!!!!!

"But were does Guevara come in? Guevara tied all of this together and I came to realize this later. My father took me one afternoon to the Malecon. The iconic walk along the shores of Habana Harbour. On the other side of the harbour is the famous Morro Castle with it's iconic lighthouse built during colonial times. Adjacent to it was La Cabana, an old Spanish presidio or prison. I remember my father asking me to be quiet and to let him listen as we stood there on the Malecon. I listened too. I could hear a distant cracking sound. I knew he heard too. I asked what the cracking sound was, I didn't get an answer. Later when I was older I realized that the cracking sound was the firing squad ending men's lives. Some of them as young as 18 years old. Today an 18 year old to me is more a child than a man."

yup....Che killled a whole bunch of devils

good for him

if he didn't the Cuban people would have
hung these people in the streets

mobb violence

more reason for the USA to get support
for a invasion

"Guevara was the head of the revolutionary tribunals that was handing down these death sentences. He was a one man judge and jury and appeals panel all wrapped into one. He had the final word on these men's lives. He personally sentenced over 800 men to their deaths. The overwhelming majority, if not all, summarily executed on political grounds. Not for criminal offenses. Guevara was a mass murderer. A violator of the most basic human right, the right to life. For whom he was, I could not imagine a more fitting end for him in the mountains of Bolivia. He deserved his end, in some ways it was poetic justice. Some people are such a plague on humanity that it is better that they don't exist. Guevara was one of those people. He died like the animal that he was. "

yes eye can cee why this writer of this
bullshit expose hates che

he wasn't mass murderer....if he was
the entire Island of Cuba wouldn't have
loved him so

"Your a victim of the power of image."

you are a victim of the white mans
dick in your ass

"I'll tell you again, as your so obsessed by it"

huh?

"His qoutes are posted on racist sites, because he was a racist. Why are you so heated about the fact?"

nooooo......YOU are posting shit that comes straight
from right wingers and racists.....don't try
and confuse shit

"these same qoutes are posted all over the web, I copy and pasted mine from Yahoo answers."

om sure you did you no book readin motherfucker

knewcheeze
03-04-2010, 10:31 AM
"Hahahaaha have you even been to Las Vegas? Pre Market crash it was one of the nicest places to raise a family in America and thus the world."

you love exploitation....shut da fuck up
your mask is off Mr. Thugged out Caucasian

"I like how you turn it into a music discussion bro. Dead Prez? Liking Che? So he must be good. Dead Prez are a couple of black communists or anarchists writing anti establishment lyrics. Hardly the unbiased intelligent source for garnering knowledge. If they were smarter they wouldn't be artists. Artists don't think with their mind, they think with there heart (which is good and important, both to society, and to this discussion). So they agree with the idea of Che, but who knows how they'd have like him if they knew him."

you wouldn't find a Che picture in
a uncle tom ass bone thugs video

you would find them with a 40 ounce
singing in a style similar to freestyle
fellowship


"Who said I was thug? I said I'm Wu Corps Most Hardcore (in terms of my partying) Brooks Brothers Wearing (As in I rock class) Surburban (Real American) Teenager (I've got 17 years of being smarter then you)"

you are a Right Winger at Wu Tang website

somethings not adding up here

knewcheeze
03-04-2010, 03:21 PM
"First there was disappearance of Camilo Cienfuegos under questionable circumstances as Castro consolidated power."

consolidated power?

cee the universe is soooo magical
how you just making yourself look so
idiotic

Fidel was el Comandante from the go get

when Che, Camillo, Fidel and em hopped on
da Granma in Fifty Six.....Fidel was the H-N-I-C
Che was a medic
Camillo joined up with Fidel

do you know whut HNIC means?

pshhhhhhhh......Consolidated power?

huh?

what a bunch of mischief makers

like eye said all ruthlessness aside

who's gonna protect Tupac's aunt?

will Las Vegas protect Tupac's aunt

eternal praises is due to the black GOd Allah
and Jah Rastafari!!!!!

and thank you for
allowing me to smite some of thee with
da mighty e-sword

TheBoarzHeadBoy
03-04-2010, 03:36 PM
Lol Wu Tang is all about capitalistic exploitation of the workers. They're making music about killing shit and making money to sell it to you to make money. Get your head right. Capitalism is the only thing that's real bro.

Will you at least tell me about who you are? I've told you about myself. I'm a white middle class American teen living in New Hampshire. I have a centrist conservative belief system which doesn't glorify communists, liars, or killers. I've discussed this shit with other posters, you can't sway me because I'm right.

Who are you? Some young black guy in the inner city using a public library because he's poor to get out the message? I doubt it. Some young asian kid in the suburbs talking big about communism because even though your parents fled communism to give you the benefits of capitalism and a land of opportunity you want to be a rebel? Or a white guy in the same position as me talking big about politics you don't understand because you did poorly in school, don't have any legitimate sexual relations to speak of, dress two social brackets below your income because you're "keeping it real", and hate your own country because you're a fuck who found out his parents were going to abort him but didn't have the heart to and have regretted it ever since.

Or are you some foreigner who worships american culture and hates our government because its in vogue even though they're all the same big piece of american apple pie?

TheBoarzHeadBoy
03-04-2010, 03:38 PM
Method Man: Get Him!

EAGLE EYE
03-04-2010, 05:08 PM
Lol Wu Tang is all about capitalistic exploitation of the workers. They're making music about killing shit and making money to sell it to you to make money. Get your head right. Capitalism is the only thing that's real bro.

Will you at least tell me about who you are? I've told you about myself. I'm a white middle class American teen living in New Hampshire. I have a centrist conservative belief system which doesn't glorify communists, liars, or killers. I've discussed this shit with other posters, you can't sway me because I'm right.

Who are you? Some young black guy in the inner city using a public library because he's poor to get out the message? I doubt it. Some young asian kid in the suburbs talking big about communism because even though your parents fled communism to give you the benefits of capitalism and a land of opportunity you want to be a rebel? Or a white guy in the same position as me talking big about politics you don't understand because you did poorly in school, don't have any legitimate sexual relations to speak of, dress two social brackets below your income because you're "keeping it real", and hate your own country because you're a fuck who found out his parents were going to abort him but didn't have the heart to and have regretted it ever since.

Or are you some foreigner who worships american culture and hates our government because its in vogue even though they're all the same big piece of american apple pie?


Hahaha finally you wrote something that made me LOL.

knewcheeze
03-05-2010, 11:03 AM
"Lol Wu Tang is all about capitalistic exploitation of the workers. They're making music about killing shit and making money to sell it to you to make money. Get your head right. Capitalism is the only thing that's real bro."


wu tang is for the children....how dare you

"Will you at least tell me about who you are? I've told you about myself. I'm a white middle class American teen living in New Hampshire. I have a centrist conservative belief system which doesn't glorify communists, liars, or killers. I've discussed this shit with other posters, you can't sway me because I'm right."

why you telling me your life story son?

"Who are you? Some young black guy in the inner city using a public library because he's poor to get out the message? I doubt it. Some young asian kid in the suburbs talking big about communism because even though your parents fled communism to give you the benefits of capitalism and a land of opportunity you want to be a rebel? Or a white guy in the same position as me talking big about politics you don't understand because you did poorly in school, don't have any legitimate sexual relations to speak of, dress two social brackets below your income because you're "keeping it real", and hate your own country because you're a fuck who found out his parents were going to abort him but didn't have the heart to and have regretted it ever since."

ummm...you should be asking the topic starter
all this
because his original claim was that da great
ernesto che was most loved by middle class and rich
whites

as he put it

and now your stupid ass for sum reason
made franchfries
looked even more WRONG
when you just revealed whut you
revealed....lol

and now..since know cee injected his
poison in YOUR psychic shell

now the poison is working its way

you feel it

and in a last minute attempt
before the goose is cooked like
goose in mad max

you get on sum dani fubu shit

"Or are you some foreigner who worships american culture and hates our government because its in vogue even though they're all the same big piece of american apple pie?"

listen here dipshit

the constitution says
if eye may paraphraze
to protect
north america
from enemies foriegn
and domestic

bohemian grove is calling you

HNIC Fidel on videotape said
Lee hArvey could never have done
that shooting job
with such a shitty old weapon

and since Fidel used a Sniper Rifle
from 56-59 eye would say
he knows what he talking about

Fidel is more of a Patriot
to USA citizens
then its own government is

knewcheeze
03-05-2010, 11:07 AM
Fidel killed Camillo

its 12 05 the next day noonish
and om still buzzing from
hearing that nonsense yesterday
and it 2thousand and mothafuckin 10

now a tiny little Island country doing battle
with the great atom bomb dropping beast

if Fidel let slanderers roam free
who da fuck would protect Assata?

TheBoarzHeadBoy
03-06-2010, 10:49 PM
I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. from the U.S. military officer oath

Not the Constitution, and not what you think it is. What it says is that the Military is legally obligated to follow the Constitution rather then any political body. It means that the Military not only has the authority to topple the government in the interest of the people if a threat to constitutional rule (such as a Dictator) but has an obligation to do so and in doing so return America to its Democracy.

Also what are you talking about, Oswald was a Marine Sniper, you don't get a much better shot, armed with a military grade Italian rifle with a scope. Trying to hit a slow moving car from a building overlooking the path of the car. I don't think it's that hard for that to work out, especially since he missed a bit. Castro may have been a sniper, but he was a Cuban Rebel sniper. Theres a world of difference between Oswald and Fidel.

As a side note, I would not want a Sniper in control of a government. You realize that Snipers are the most intimate killers in the military? Its not like a normal soldier when it's killed or be killed be it in a gunfight or a knife fight its life or death. But a Sniper is out of that danger and has the free choice to kill or not kill. The fact they can kill in that circumstance makes them dangerous men. They're executioners, not regular soldiers. I don't hate them for that, but they'd tend to be the "ends justifies the means" type of mindset as a result of their work. If you can pull the trigger like that to save your own men's lives you'll have no qualm in ending some "enemies" lives to protect your plans.

Sky Blue Danny Kid
03-07-2010, 01:32 PM
you notice eye ain't even replying to you

cuz you a fuckin hack

and not a successfull hack

you a internet message board hack

get a fuckin life

your parents really did a shitty job
raising you

you drop knothing worthwhile

its all hate from you


Wow, you really can't handle the truth. But it's ok. Because my divine wisdom will eventually shine through your ignorance and lift you up.

ALso, did you just reply to me to let me know that you're not replying to me?

Devil.

TheBoarzHeadBoy
03-07-2010, 01:42 PM
Get Him!

knewcheeze
03-08-2010, 12:53 PM
"Not the Constitution, and not what you think it is. What it says is that the Military is legally obligated to follow the Constitution rather then any political body. It means that the Military not only has the authority to topple the government in the interest of the people if a threat to constitutional rule (such as a Dictator) but has an obligation to do so and in doing so return America to its Democracy."

uhhuh

"Also what are you talking about, Oswald was a Marine Sniper, you don't get a much better shot, armed with a military grade Italian rifle with a scope. Trying to hit a slow moving car from a building overlooking the path of the car. I don't think it's that hard for that to work out, especially since he missed a bit. Castro may have been a sniper, but he was a Cuban Rebel sniper. Theres a world of difference between Oswald and Fidel."

yeah
also there was a tree with leaves in the way beetween
a shot from the 6th floor depository
and the motorcade
the first shot would be the best shot
manual action bolt
shitty weapon

and all the people on the grassy knowl was
running up to the picket fence

the opposite direction
of the texas book depository

also Lee Harvey was trained in Russian
in the Marines

what do you think that means?

what Marine gets trained in Russian?

from 61-63
why was Oswald ceen
hangingout in the heart of
the intelligence community
with the most rabid anti
castro cuban faggots you eva seen?

"As a side note, I would not want a Sniper in control of a government. You realize that Snipers are the most intimate killers in the military? Its not like a normal soldier when it's killed or be killed be it in a gunfight or a knife fight its life or death. But a Sniper is out of that danger and has the free choice to kill or not kill. The fact they can kill in that circumstance makes them dangerous men. They're executioners, not regular soldiers. I don't hate them for that, but they'd tend to be the "ends justifies the means" type of mindset as a result of their work. If you can pull the trigger like that to save your own men's lives you'll have no qualm in ending some "enemies" lives to protect your plann?

uh ...you love expoitation and oppression ....

eye know what you want

TheBoarzHeadBoy
03-08-2010, 02:01 PM
Have you ever fired a gun Knowcheese or are you basing your info off something or what?

Anyone qualified as a marksman (I shouldn't have said sniper that's wrong) can use a bolt action rifle (what do you think snipers use?) to hit a moving man through soft cover. If anything that was a very sloppy shooting. The car was moving at less then running speed because the secret service jog next to the car. With elevation, soft cover, a scope, slow moving target, and a rather short distance compared to the mile long shots that aren't unheard of, its not a hard shot for a marine marksman. The only impressive thing is his speed in firing several shots in short order and his ability to get down several floors of stairs quickly and be totally calm when someone checks on him moments seconds afterward.

He taught himself Russian because he was most likely a Russian Agent or would become one who later did live in Russia.

EAGLE EYE
03-08-2010, 02:35 PM
knowcheeze still hasn't told us who he is nor his income bracket or ethnic background


This is typical of the the average KTL shadow poster. The mask of anonymity is their only strategic advantage they have. At the end of the day, the person kicking up the most dust is usually some over privileged fggt who shops at whole foods, wears a $500 backpack bought with daddy's trust fund $ and holds demonstrations around their college campus while simultaneously whining about the struggle which they were somehow indirectly affected by through a 3rd cousin.

This is what they usually look like:


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2637/3912510232_ff29e90ff7_o.jpg

knewcheeze
03-12-2010, 03:04 PM
yeah....the driver of the car
slows down.....lol

so's the mechanic behind
da grassy knowl could get his kill shot

when eye finish up my "the curse of che" series
its gonna talk about felix rodriguez

gusano number one

he's one of these select anti castro cubans
involved in WATERGATE
IRAN CONTRA


these select Anti castro cubans
was there
at dealey plaza too my dude

they was there when MLK got shot

this is the type of shithole
who hates castro

anyways.....the original thread poster has
been proven completely wrong
through field research everyone
here witnessed who really hates
che

brooks brothers wearing....etc

JFK is another topic

dayum robbie sinclair....are you the police
or something?????

if you are the police
then you can easily find
out this info you desire

eye guess if you find a good enough
hacker you could too

om here to completely shut down these
liars...which eye do.....om not here
to pr
provide material for your
homosexual fantasies

TheBoarzHeadBoy
03-12-2010, 03:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9dSYgd5Elk&feature=related

I'm sorry I can't here you over the sound of how awesome I am...

knewcheeze
03-14-2010, 02:56 PM
psssshhhhh

"income bracket or ethnic background"

thats the ultimate straw man tactic right there

strawman
in the battlefield but
the battle is over

eye stand Victorious once again

om not the one who started this thread
and made those ridiculous claims

you and franchfries and the rest of the anti Che
people can
sit around in your bra's and panties
sippin on hot cocoa
and talk about
each others
income bracket
and ethnic background

its just so funny how the universe
stepped in this thread and
had people on the same side of the
arguement causing their fellow
same side of the argument people
to prove them wrong

TheBoarzHeadBoy
03-14-2010, 03:09 PM
Words please? I hope you're not a native speaker, your logic is something else entirely.

Let me put this in perspective. Get a boner for a revolutionary who actually made shit happen, like idk, Jesus... then you and the good Prof Zorooka can debate into the night about which psalm is better.