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TheBoarzHeadBoy
03-12-2010, 03:30 PM
Physics is the Divine Mathematics. So why do people think the scientists are lying when they can explain stuff in detail and prove it with math?

You can debate stuff we don't claim to understand, but if the scientists can generally say without a doubt something is there, I'm 99% sure they're right.

So why is there doubt?

No amount of fake government evil can crush the truth. What we're told is true.

If you disagree its because you're dumb, not because you're on some new shit.

Frank Sobotka
03-12-2010, 06:27 PM
They disagree because it goes against a 3000 year old fairytail.

Face of the Golden Falcon
03-12-2010, 06:36 PM
What exactly are you talking about?

Regulas
03-12-2010, 06:40 PM
Physics is the Divine Mathematics. So why do people think the scientists are lying when they can explain stuff in detail and prove it with math?

You can debate stuff we don't claim to understand, but if the scientists can generally say without a doubt something is there, I'm 99% sure they're right.

So why is there doubt?

No amount of fake government evil can crush the truth. What we're told is true.

If you disagree its because you're dumb, not because you're on some new shit.


The answers to your questions are both simple and complex, the understanding of those answers as well as your questions is dependant upon the way one views the world.

Humans tend to see the same thing differently based on the way they process information. To put it scientifically; humans will tend to view the same stimuli differently based on which hemisphere(s) of the brain they use to process the information.

The left hemisphere is segretive, meaning it uses analysis as it's main mode of processing info. It is in charge of sperating the various things in our environment from each other, like being able to distinguish different musical tones from one another for example.

The Right hemisphere on the other hand is congregative, meaning it uses synthesis as it's main mode of processing info. It is in charge of relating the various things in our environment to each other and to all, like how you have read all of these seperate letters in this post, the right side of your brain is what combines them into words, the words into sentences and so on.

Although all humans(who have both) use both hemisphere's to function, most people are either predominately right or left "brained" with even smaller pockets of people who use both sides equally.

Men in general tend to be more "left brained" then women. Most europeans and people of european decent(aka white people, with some interesting generalized exceptions like Sweden and Denmark) are generally left brained while most non-white cultures are predominately right brained in their thought processes.let me know if you' like me to provide examples.

I have on idea what race you are(and it doesn't matter) but judging from your post it seems that your viewpoint is one from a left-sided standpoint. Based on that your (over)valued analytical skills are only going to get you so far in understanding yourself, others and the world around you and information that comes from the right-sided and holistic(both right and left)perspectives won't make sense to you...especially if you're not open.

In addition, western science has it's flaws. It strives to understand the world through differention, which only provides limited results.

Physics specifically has it's flaws as well;

dark matter isn't real
Nasty infinity isn't real


The two above terms are what occurs in science when scientist's have doubts, they create terms and energies to suit their thoeries and equations.

and physisists, at least the ones who have a left-sided view of the world don't understand force; in other words I am saying F=MxA is only true if you're a left-brained thinker.

I have experienced and can provide evidence that there is more to force than mass x acceleration. And if physisists' could get that wrong things based on it are probably wrong too.

So this 'novel' is an attempt to show that not all disagreements occour because someone is 'dumb' as you so eloquently pointed out in your post, but because a person's view and understanding is based on how they process information.

BTTR KNG KOOL
03-12-2010, 08:30 PM
Regulas,

Id like to see those examples.

Regulas
03-12-2010, 09:37 PM
Some examples that come to mind are :

The men who created the American Constitution declared that: "All men are creted equal", while at the same time owning slaves.

The Aboriginals of Austrailia and their view of themselves as being conected to everyone and everything as apposed to thinking of themselves as seperate entities.


Western Medicines' reluctance/opposition to proven "spiritual" remedies such as Qigong or accupunctue, while relying on pharmacuteculs and surgeries that only deal with the symptoms instead of working on the cause. Compare this to many Asian countries where there is a healthy balance of both modern medicine and alternative treatments, not to mention that their medicine is focused on prevention.


That's just off the top of my head, but the examples are endless. Keep in mind one mode of thinking isn't better than the next, everyone has their problems; these are generalaties but you can definitly see the different styles of thinking (analytical/segregative/left-brained or synthesis/congregtive/right-brained) in the political, religious, medical and social polices and practices of any nation (their ruling class).

spiggity_ace
03-12-2010, 10:38 PM
a few hundred years ago we Knew that the earth was flat, man doesnt know anything, shit can be done, but the most senior of laws can alter everything we know as "fact" the law of attraction is senior to all laws, but if ur stupid enough to try to disprove the law of gravity ur fooling urself, ull probably need years of mental practice making ur self believe gravity doesnt exist. our reality is just a thought.

if u think everything ur told is true thats just sad, u should learn to questino everything, just digesting facts and only lookin at one side of the story is just fooling urself.

BTTR KNG KOOL
03-12-2010, 11:13 PM
Some examples that come to mind are :

The men who created the American Constitution declared that: "All men are creted equal", while at the same time owning slaves.

The Aboriginals of Austrailia and their view of themselves as being conected to everyone and everything as apposed to thinking of themselves as seperate entities.


Western Medicines' reluctance/opposition to proven "spiritual" remedies such as Qigong or accupunctue, while relying on pharmacuteculs and surgeries that only deal with the symptoms instead of working on the cause. Compare this to many Asian countries where there is a healthy balance of both modern medicine and alternative treatments, not to mention that their medicine is focused on prevention.


That's just off the top of my head, but the examples are endless. Keep in mind one mode of thinking isn't better than the next, everyone has their problems; these are generalaties but you can definitly see the different styles of thinking (analytical/segregative/left-brained or synthesis/congregtive/right-brained) in the political, religious, medical and social polices and practices of any nation (their ruling class).

I can see that ,

But i dont agree with the medicine thing tho. There certainly is culture of preventing sickness and illness in west, its just differend in nature, but the goal is same. There are conditions that just have to be worked with surgery and pharmaceuticals, everybody does it. There is no perfect medicine out there.

And when you consider qigong & acupuncture spiritual just like that....... it REALLY makes me wonder, why cant you consider western methods or knowledge, spiritual? Dead Serious.

And keep in mind that there are also western alternative medicine. Strangely enough. What about that?

Ill have to return to this, its already morning here !!!

EAGLE EYE
03-13-2010, 02:10 AM
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TSA
03-13-2010, 02:37 AM
he's talking about everything that ppl on here in general doubt for the sake of doubting
like western medicine

nigga. that shit works
i dont care what you say about lotus leafs and bullfrog sperm nigga

that shit works. I know when i get sick, i take nyquil, i pass the fuck out, i wake up cured.

heart transfusions? nigga that shit works

Edgar Erebus
03-13-2010, 05:20 AM
@ Regulas:

Let's put aside that all that right-left brained theory has not been proven and that, as for now, is still a fairytale, I'll just say something about mathematics.

For example, when complex numbers were invented, Gerolamo Cardano didn't have in mind no applicable use for them and just used them to find a theorietical solution for rooting negative numbers. Yet, those numbers have found a whole lot of applications, starting from quantum mechanics to signal analysis.

It works in other ways too in the science. If you don't realize that "western-type" science works in both ways, analytic and synthetic, you don't realize how it works.

While making a theory, scientists do invent terms to sut their equations. That's the analytical part. Then the synthetic part of science work starts: a long, boring, painstaking process of collecting data that will either prove the theory works - or crush it and replace it with a better theory. People don't know about the second part, because, as I said, it's boring (just imagine sitting in front of a computer for eight hours a day, gathering data from measuring stations and then putting all those measurements into an equation), but it's crucial, because only with such a synthesis we can prevent that all that analysis and theorizing gets out of way. Data, data, data, and then synthesis of all that data, to get a correct picture of what's going on in the world.

To conclude my rant, two things:

Medicine doesn't support alternative medicines because there is no sufficient data to - synthetically - prove it works;

F = m a is not enough and no self-respecting scientist would say it's that simple.

Regulas
03-13-2010, 09:46 AM
I can see that ,

But i dont agree with the medicine thing tho. There certainly is culture of preventing sickness and illness in west, its just differend in nature, but the goal is same. There are conditions that just have to be worked with surgery and pharmaceuticals, everybody does it. There is no perfect medicine out there.

And when you consider qigong & acupuncture spiritual just like that....... it REALLY makes me wonder, why cant you consider western methods or knowledge, spiritual? Dead Serious.

And keep in mind that there are also western alternative medicine. Strangely enough. What about that?

Ill have to return to this, its already morning here !!!

I can see where you're coming from as well,

To be fair "Western Medicine" does incorporate more than one thing and honestly it's a very vague term.

To be more clear when it comes to medicine, Europe's practice of Medicine has the systems of both Canada and the U.S beat both in the types of treatments and the availability of those treatments to the public.

My inclusion of medicine in my first post was more directed at the systems that we have here in Canada(which isn't horrible by any means) and the one present in the states(which for sure could use some work). Medical procedures and practices definitly have their merrit, but medicine here(north america) has major flaws such as the medicines that are prescribed for "ailments" like "restless leg syndrome" that give the paitient more side effects than the original problem.

In terms of calling aspects of western medicine spiritual, it could be done if not for the the habit of seperating things like science and relgion for example. Most scientist and doctor's aren't trying to hear that.

Regulas
03-13-2010, 09:55 AM
he's talking about everything that ppl on here in general doubt for the sake of doubting
like western medicine

nigga. that shit works
i dont care what you say about lotus leafs and bullfrog sperm nigga

that shit works. I know when i get sick, i take nyquil, i pass the fuck out, i wake up cured.

heart transfusions? nigga that shit works

Nyquil is cool, heart transfusions no problem, but riddle me this; are the medical institutions here(north america) set up to cure people or treat people? Is Medicine a practice/service or is it a business?

TSA
03-13-2010, 10:25 AM
both. if you have cancer, and they remove your cancer, which they do, then you've been cured of cancer.

being that we live in a free society they can't PREVENT your ass from getting cancer. they advise, tell you what can help, and the surgeon general has taken decisive visible steps towards prevention.

they treat cure and prevent, that's why you get vaccines as a kid and our society has 'sick days'.

I dont like the fact that some ppl bash things just cause its conventional. its a practice service and business homie. what's wrong with that? it works

TheBoarzHeadBoy
03-13-2010, 01:07 PM
Some examples that come to mind are :

The men who created the American Constitution declared that: "All men are creted equal", while at the same time owning slaves.

The Aboriginals of Austrailia and their view of themselves as being conected to everyone and everything as apposed to thinking of themselves as seperate entities.


Western Medicines' reluctance/opposition to proven "spiritual" remedies such as Qigong or accupunctue, while relying on pharmacuteculs and surgeries that only deal with the symptoms instead of working on the cause. Compare this to many Asian countries where there is a healthy balance of both modern medicine and alternative treatments, not to mention that their medicine is focused on prevention.


That's just off the top of my head, but the examples are endless. Keep in mind one mode of thinking isn't better than the next, everyone has their problems; these are generalaties but you can definitly see the different styles of thinking (analytical/segregative/left-brained or synthesis/congregtive/right-brained) in the political, religious, medical and social polices and practices of any nation (their ruling class).

The constitution was written by a group of people with different ideas in conflict. Many were against slavery. Some were in favor. Most didn't think Black Males were actual Men the same way we know that a chimp or dolphin is smart but shouldn't get the rights and responsibilities of man.

The differences between East and West medicine is a debate between Science and Philosophy. I was watching the film Frankenstein in school and they say in it that acupuncture is designed to realign bio electrical flow. This is of course fiction, but its similar to actual thought that it effects the passage of signals through the nerves. (Although I would think those are the same thing since the nerves send the bio electricity around...)

a few hundred years ago we Knew that the earth was flat, man doesnt know anything, shit can be done, but the most senior of laws can alter everything we know as "fact" the law of attraction is senior to all laws, but if ur stupid enough to try to disprove the law of gravity ur fooling urself, ull probably need years of mental practice making ur self believe gravity doesnt exist. our reality is just a thought.

if u think everything ur told is true thats just sad, u should learn to questino everything, just digesting facts and only lookin at one side of the story is just fooling urself.

We didn't know. We had faith in those ideas. Anyone who did the math would have told you it wasn't. We've know the earth curved for millenniums not centuries. No one thought the world was flat with any education in the middle ages. Thats some dark age myth that somehow we assume lasted in the renaissance even after people rediscovered/reproved that it was curved. All the ancient knew it was a sphere. It's really obvious there is a subtle curve. That's why there's a horizon... Everyone assumes the ancients were dumb, but they were just as smart as we are, just less educated. I'm sure even not knowing the earth curved if I really thought about it I'd figure it out.

Nyquil is cool, heart transfusions no problem, but riddle me this; are the medical institutions here(north america) set up to cure people or treat people? Is Medicine a practice/service or is it a business?

It doesn't matter. You can't be cured of death, so all medicine is treating death. No one can cure it. Thus it doesn't matter if you make the cancer go away or not as long as you curb it and control it so it doesn't lead to pain, sickness, or death.

Regulas
03-13-2010, 01:18 PM
@ Regulas:

Let's put aside that all that right-left brained theory has not been proven and that, as for now, is still a fairytale, I'll just say something about mathematics.

For example, when complex numbers were invented, Gerolamo Cardano didn't have in mind no applicable use for them and just used them to find a theorietical solution for rooting negative numbers. Yet, those numbers have found a whole lot of applications, starting from quantum mechanics to signal analysis.

It works in other ways too in the science. If you don't realize that "western-type" science works in both ways, analytic and synthetic, you don't realize how it works.

While making a theory, scientists do invent terms to sut their equations. That's the analytical part. Then the synthetic part of science work starts: a long, boring, painstaking process of collecting data that will either prove the theory works - or crush it and replace it with a better theory. People don't know about the second part, because, as I said, it's boring (just imagine sitting in front of a computer for eight hours a day, gathering data from measuring stations and then putting all those measurements into an equation), but it's crucial, because only with such a synthesis we can prevent that all that analysis and theorizing gets out of way. Data, data, data, and then synthesis of all that data, to get a correct picture of what's going on in the world.

To conclude my rant, two things:

Medicine doesn't support alternative medicines because there is no sufficient data to - synthetically - prove it works;

F = m a is not enough and no self-respecting scientist would say it's that simple.

Slim T,

There are several areas where I differ with your opinion,

Just because something is new to you doesn't make it a fairytale, especially in this day and age, ie. google it. In fact this type of thinking really slows progress, if new ideas and possibilities are immediately riddiculed and discounted not much will change.

I am aware of synthesis in "western" science, the problem is that this synthesis is only applied to the particular equation or the topic at hand and again many things aren't considered; for instance how the big bang theory states that the universe came from a singular particle and exploded from there and created everything that exists today and this also explains why the universe is still expanding. The first law of physics states that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. So while the big bang theory 'explains' why the universe expands, there is a convenient avoidance of the origin of the original particle as well as the opposite reactive force to the initial "bang".

There is tons of data on alternative medicine's, the real reason for the reluctance is the difficulty to make money off of the treatments, similar to the real reason certain drugs are illegal, not because their harmful(cigarettes and booze kill more people than everything else combined) but because weed for instance doesn't leave the user with anything to treat(make money off of) than munchies and itis.

Regulas
03-13-2010, 01:30 PM
The constitution was written by a group of people with different ideas in conflict. Many were against slavery. Some were in favor. Most didn't think Black Males were actual Men the same way we know that a chimp or dolphin is smart but shouldn't get the rights and responsibilities of man.

The differences between East and West medicine is a debate between Science and Philosophy. I was watching the film Frankenstein in school and they say in it that acupuncture is designed to realign bio electrical flow. This is of course fiction, but its similar to actual thought that it effects the passage of signals through the nerves. (Although I would think those are the same thing since the nerves send the bio electricity around...)



We didn't know. We had faith in those ideas. Anyone who did the math would have told you it wasn't. We've know the earth curved for millenniums not centuries. No one thought the world was flat with any education in the middle ages. Thats some dark age myth that somehow we assume lasted in the renaissance even after people rediscovered/reproved that it was curved. All the ancient knew it was a sphere. It's really obvious there is a subtle curve. That's why there's a horizon... Everyone assumes the ancients were dumb, but they were just as smart as we are, just less educated. I'm sure even not knowing the earth curved if I really thought about it I'd figure it out.



It doesn't matter. You can't be cured of death, so all medicine is treating death. No one can cure it. Thus it doesn't matter if you make the cancer go away or not as long as you curb it and control it so it doesn't lead to pain, sickness, or death.

All you are doing here is proving me right. You started this thread with a question, I provided an answer to it:"not all disagreements occour because someone is 'dumb' as you so eloquently pointed out in your post, but because a person's view and understanding is based on how they process information."- with a good scientific theory to back it up.

Instead of synthesizing or looking at all of the information I presented, you analyzed the info and took a part of it to further your opinion without addressing the answer that you asked for-This is what politicians do, and it doesn't get them to far at all.

Regulas
03-13-2010, 01:49 PM
both. if you have cancer, and they remove your cancer, which they do, then you've been cured of cancer.

being that we live in a free society they can't PREVENT your ass from getting cancer. they advise, tell you what can help, and the surgeon general has taken decisive visible steps towards prevention.

they treat cure and prevent, that's why you get vaccines as a kid and our society has 'sick days'.

I dont like the fact that some ppl bash things just cause its conventional. its a practice service and business homie. what's wrong with that? it works

When people don't like something in others it is most often because those "others" are doing something that we dislike in ourselves but don't own up too.

You are the quinessential person on this forum who "bashes things because it's conventional".

I don't have issues because that's what the cool kids here do, I have issues with our society in general because I don't think this is the best we can do.


To say that nyquil, heart transfusions and the like work and are reasons medicine should remain the same is like saying the horse and buggy works, why would anyone want a horseless one? Or the conbustion engine works why change?

Uncle Steezo
03-17-2010, 10:03 AM
east/west medicine:

eastern medicine treats the cause of the ailment by analyzing the imbalance of energy.

western medicine treats the effect of the ailment by analyzing the result of an imbalance.



west does not like to accept that concepts like energy imbalances because it doesn't fit their reality. yet in the same breath they will tell you that matter is energy. e=mc2

they will also use techniques like light and sound therapy, accupressure and meditation...but...they use the light and sound at frequencies that we can't detect with our senses. they also use synthetic means to sedate or relieve pain.

sometimes these methods can be destructive.



east divides energy into hot/cold & dry/wet energy and into (fire earth water wood metal) or (fire water earth air) depending... there is a fluctuating balance between these forces. imbalance can physically manifest as certain ailments.

since all physical reality is made of vibrating energy, and since the body has a magnetic field that is created by flowing energy and since we generate electricity...


idk man, its like you stick your dick in the pussy. if it feels good, it feels good. you can do 100 million calculations and measurements on the pussy to find the source of the goodness, but chances are its either all of the things combined that make it good(holistic) or its something that can't be measured (metaphysical).


often the west is reactionary instead of preventative. but there is less money in preventative medicine.