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blackwisdom
10-02-2005, 03:15 PM
Wolves from dead prez' Lets Get Free album
http://s52.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3DT6105JY2AOX1ZBM33FADAR7J (http://s52.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3DT6105JY2AOX1ZBM33FADAR7J)

I concur 100% with what Minister Farrakhan is saying here. He says it straight up without cutting corners. It may be harsh and abrasive but this is what's needed right now. Black people in america need to take credit for our faults and realize what has been and is currently being done to us on a daily basis. Once we do this we need to organize an escape route. I have some good maps, but it takes hard work and a lot of rejection. Rejection from your peers and even some of your family. But you know what "Jesus" was rejected. These are some of my brief thoughts, hit me up with yours?

Take it easy
Peace

LHX
10-02-2005, 03:19 PM
peace is ruthless


the woman who holds the scales of justice is blind





it does not matter what you say to the world
all that matters is your motives

if your motives are off
you are fucked

7EL7
10-02-2005, 03:19 PM
This is Peace

but its not Farrakhan Speaking

blackwisdom
10-02-2005, 03:25 PM
^It sounds like him. Who is it?

Chief Fondleman
10-02-2005, 03:29 PM
Your sig is wrong.

7EL7
10-02-2005, 03:43 PM
^It sounds like him. Who is it?

i have no idea who it is

born invincible
10-02-2005, 05:20 PM
i dont listen to dead pres... ive sampled their stuff before and they talk they racist or something

7EL7
10-02-2005, 05:51 PM
they are not racist they just want a white supremist world built to uplift white people and bring down black people to crumble with the quickness

Os3y3ris
10-02-2005, 06:16 PM
Its so funny when Wu Tang fans call dead prez racist. Shows they don't have a clue what either group is saying.

7EL7
10-02-2005, 06:21 PM
lol fucin duck heads

MaShPG
10-02-2005, 06:25 PM
Yea, I'm white and I listen to Dead Prez (i feel guilty about that though because they might not want me listening, i dunno). But they're not racist, they're just against white supremacy, and so am I. It's just their word choice annoys me at times. I can understand why people think they're racists.

7EL7
10-02-2005, 06:36 PM
Yea, I'm white and I listen to Dead Prez (i feel guilty about that though because they might not want me listening, i dunno). But they're not racist, they're just against white supremacy, and so am I. It's just their word choice annoys me at times. I can understand why people think they're racists.

they want you to do more than listen
they want you to do something about the fucked up situation that your ancestors put us in and continue to maintain

MaShPG
10-02-2005, 07:03 PM
i do more than listen, and what the fuck am i supposed to do about what my ancestors did? that's in the past now. don't gimme that bullshit, cause how do you know your ancestors weren't selling slaves?

hip hop will be dead until we ressurect that shit by uniting, instead of dividing and pointing the finger.


what did i do to you?

LHX
10-02-2005, 07:08 PM
i disagree with anybody who says that there is a group of people maintaining the current joke that we are experiencing by choice

LHX
10-02-2005, 07:08 PM
nobody wants this shit

7EL7
10-02-2005, 07:25 PM
we got another live one folks

born invincible
10-02-2005, 08:08 PM
Its so funny when Wu Tang fans call dead prez racist. Shows they don't have a clue what either group is saying.
i didnt call them racist.. i said they sound like it. i dont listen to enuff of their music or know enuff about them to call them racist. but when i listen to a track and hear cracker this and cracker that its gets old.. as well as nigga this and nigga that. i personally have had nothing to do with, will never ever have anything to do with... opressing people, slavery, racsism, etc... all the same bullshit i hear over and over again. its always what the white mans doing.. this and that. he holding me down and i cant live... that is a sellout piss poor excuse!! i aint rich.. i didnt come from a well off background.. i had it just as hard as the next... and everything i have i didnt get from bitching and complaining about. always making excuses and blaming the white man!! wtf is that... sure its good to speak out and be proactive, but when i hear someone call me a cracker just cause im white... its bullshit. and thats what i hear when deadpres rap... callin every white dude a cracker and blaming me for shit that happen before i was born.

fuck that...

and to all yall who think your so fuckin intelligent cause you read a fuckin book on somethin... please!!! wtf are you doin really!!!!



and for what i quoted... i have a clue. if i didnt.. i wouldnt have said anything.

7EL7
10-02-2005, 08:44 PM
i had it just as hard as the next... and everything i have i didnt get from bitching and complaining about. always making excuses and blaming the white man!!
any one who claims that black people are just bitching and complaining and always making excuses and blaming the white man for the condition that black folks are in is suspect

they can easily be turned into full fledged skin heads because they are weak and blind to whats going on and they refuse to understand

they just don't wanna be looked at as the bad guy

they can care less about the situation

LHX
10-02-2005, 09:06 PM
any one who claims that black people are just bitching and complaining and always making excuses and blaming the white man for the condition that black folks are in is suspect


they can easily be turned into full fledged skin heads because they are weak and blind to whats going on and they refuse to understand

they just don't wanna be looked at as the bad guy

they can care less about the situation





what a crock of shit

being white sucks dick


the only conspiracy is ignorance
the only person to blame is yourself

anybody who blames anybody else is a pussy
and ignorant on top of that

TeknicelStylez
10-02-2005, 09:18 PM
All I gotta say is, I lived in the worst ghetto's on the east coast and theres always that white kid. That poor ass white kid thrown away with the rest of the mnorities.

LHX
10-02-2005, 09:22 PM
All I gotta say is, I lived in the worst ghetto's on the east coast and theres always that white kid. That poor ass white kid thrown away with the rest of the mnorities.

fuck man

all this time and i cant figure out why we cant all agree that we are all living in a shit hole


its like we are all swimming in our own shit
and trying to blame somebody else for shitting

what the fuck?





it is worse than you think

TeknicelStylez
10-02-2005, 09:34 PM
They want us to fight eachother, it's easier that way.

Amongst the fued sneaking up with malicious intentions to both parties.

If your not filthy rich, lemme rephrase that, wealthy, It really doesn't matter who you are.

7EL7
10-02-2005, 09:39 PM
both sides have been lied to and the truth will put everybody where they need to be

Spoon Face
10-02-2005, 10:07 PM
just another ball on a soap box complaining about how good he got it in the usa

born invincible
10-02-2005, 10:34 PM
any one who claims that black people are just bitching and complaining and always making excuses and blaming the white man for the condition that black folks are in is suspect

if your gonna quote me... get it right. i never said BLACK PEOPLE... in the current arguement it just so happens to be 2 black dudes! (dead pres)... but what i said goes for anyone who uses excuses like that... its weak!

Bloo
10-03-2005, 01:52 AM
You know as of right now I feel it's no longer a black/white issue, I think it's a green issue. Cause I don't care how racist a white person is, they'll give a rich nigga a chance as long as he's got money. They might complain a little about the way he talks, or the way he's dressed, but it won't be one of those escort you off the premesis situations until he goes broke. Now there are a lot of racist folks out there that don't care how rich or poor you are, you won't be right in their book because you're not like them, but those folks are far and few in between nowadays. I'd like to think that this generation is a lot more open minded to race than are parents and grandparents generation was and with that a lot more understanding of the situation. I see more young blacks trippin on the subject then young whites. it's only really the older whites you see that have a problem with blacks cause that's how they came up and vice versa. Now I'm sure we've all experienced racism of some sort. I've experienced it on both sides. Either it be whites just not associating with me cause of my skin color or blacks that call me a sell out cause i speak proper english. But all in all I'm not trippin on any of it cause there're wolves on both sides that'll do whatever they feel the need to do in order to get by. So i'ma get mine weather or not you want me to have it cause that's just my style and this is the country to do it in.

Hey, if Hakbeim Ackbarr Farooq can own a chain of corner stores ain't no reason my black ass can't

7EL7
10-03-2005, 01:58 AM
its final

the world needs to know what Racism really is

yall throw the word around loosely without understanding how it is practiced and how it truly affects people

you think racism is when one group of people doesn't like or hates another

racism is much deeper than that

Bloo
10-03-2005, 02:03 AM
I always believed racism to be about dominence. Be it whites thinking black or any other race should bow down to them because they feel that they are superior. Or be it blacks that feel that whites should wake up and realize that they don't rule as much as they think they do. But whatever's whatever to me. I'm not gonna let anyone be them white or black stand in the way of what I want to accomplish in life. But at the same time, I'm not gonna sell out in order to make it either. I do what i feel regardless of what the next man thinks. The next man doesn't pay my bills so fuck him.

7EL7
10-03-2005, 02:09 AM
I always believed racism to be about dominence. Be it whites thinking black or any other race should bow down to them because they feel that they are superior. Or be it blacks that feel that whites should wake up and realize that they don't rule as much as they think they do. But whatever's whatever to me. I'm not gonna let anyone be them white or black stand in the way of what I want to accomplish in life. But at the same time, I'm not gonna sell out in order to make it either. I do what i feel regardless of what the next man thinks. The next man doesn't pay my bills so fuck him.
Or be it blacks that feel that whites should wake up and realize that they don't rule as much as they think they do.

this makes black people racist ?

what is overall accomplishment to alot of people ? money ?


I'm not gonna sell out in order to make it either

does "making it" mean making alot of money to you ?

if you own your own home and drive a nice expensive car,wear expensive clothes, and is college educated does this mean you are successful ?

Visionz
10-03-2005, 02:19 AM
real success is working to make this a better world than the one you were born into. if the previous generations before us had that mentality then maybe we wouldn't be standing in the shithole that we currently are.

Bloo
10-03-2005, 02:37 AM
this makes black people racist ?

what is overall accomplishment to alot of people ? money ?




does "making it" mean making alot of money to you ?

if you own your own home and drive a nice expensive car,wear expensive clothes, and is college educated does this mean you are successful ?
No, I don't think that at all. Sucess is all a state of mind. I've seen more rich miserable people and more happy poor people in my life as proof. Making it to me is being content with life. If content means having a house on a lake then that's what I'll get and I'm not gonna let anyone stand in the way of that. If it means I put some needy kid through school, be it a black, white, or whatever kid then I'll do that and make sure nothing stands in his/her way. And no, by my comment I didn't mean that black are racist, but IMO blacks constantly hollering about how the white man is keeping them down is the same as those rednecks hollering that they're losing "their" country. Just like sucess, it's all a mindstate. Cause I don't care if you're white or black, you're always gonna run into somone that wants to see you fall. Niggas with pennies hate niggas with nickels just as much as crackers with pennies do.

Bloo
10-03-2005, 02:38 AM
real success is working to make this a better world than the one you were born into. if the previous generations before us had that mentality then maybe we wouldn't be standing in the shithole that we currently are.
Co-sign

TeknicelStylez
10-03-2005, 02:46 AM
Know what I hate, when Black people act like hispanics aren't a part of the minorities. I've been attacked by skin heads, harassed by cops for "being in the wrong part of town", and denied jobs becuase of my heritage, but some people act like we're not in the same boat. And I see more and more activists on TV bigging up their own race and forgetting about their fellow strugglers.

U.N.I.T.Y

7EL7
10-03-2005, 02:48 AM
. And no, by my comment I didn't mean that black are racist, but IMO blacks constantly hollering about how the white man is keeping them down is the same as those rednecks hollering that they're losing "their" country.

i can't see how this is the same


Niggas with pennies hate niggas with nickels just as much as crackers with pennies do.

yeah but a niggas face ain't on them pennies or nickels
plus niggas with pennies hate niggas with nickels because they want what they have
crackas with pennies just hate niggas, and if the nigga happens to have more money than him then he's extra angry

what do you think makes them hate niggas so much ?

Visionz
10-03-2005, 02:53 AM
when you say crackas, in your own mind, are you grouping all white people together?

7EL7
10-03-2005, 02:55 AM
when you say crackas, in your own mind, are you grouping all white people together?
yup

just like when i type "niggas" i'm groupin all my niggas together

Visionz
10-03-2005, 02:58 AM
then, based on your previous statement "crackas with pennies just hate niggas, " I take it that you think all white people hate all black people, is that correct?

TeknicelStylez
10-03-2005, 02:59 AM
U N I T Y!!!

Bloo
10-03-2005, 03:01 AM
You see man, in my eye it's not the same. I came up in a family of strong black men. My father being the main one telling me the same things you're saying, "Don't let the white man dictate your life, they all wanna see us fall." But he holds a very good job working along side these whites, owns houses and cars and whatnot. My uncles are all doing the same, so I know for a fact that you can make it regardless if if the white man wants you too or not cause they came up just like a lot of black kids did, 5 kids 1 parent working 2-3 jobs to survive and they hardly had anything to show for it. But they're all set now. How come they did it and others can't? what makes them special? Did whitey just make my family the exception? Or is it just the fact that they didn't let anyone stop them from getting what they wanted.

7EL7
10-03-2005, 03:02 AM
then, based on your previous statement "crackas with pennies just hate niggas, " I take it that you think all white people hate all black people, is that correct?
nah thats not what i meant but by the way its written and how i explained my use of the words crackas and niggas you can say that i'm saying that all crackas hate niggas

but i wouldn't use hate to describe this
i would say that its in their nature to prey on us to preserve their existance
and their envious nature can bring hate into it

Visionz
10-03-2005, 03:09 AM
it is the power structure's nature to prey upon the weak, true. I do not however see things in terms of color, rather in mindset. MJ owns a stake in a company that uses sweat shops to make shoes that people get beat and murdered over. It was a white that originally started nike, true. But he has the fucked mentality that money should come before all other. and I doubt from a business perspective that MJ is thinking too much different.

Bloo
10-03-2005, 03:10 AM
^^

It all comes down to the money

Race is no longer an issue

TeknicelStylez
10-03-2005, 03:10 AM
Condoleeza rice COUGH COUGH, colin powell COUGH COUGH COUGH

It's cold in here....

7EL7
10-03-2005, 03:12 AM
MJ is a product of white supremacy
whites had and have to water us down to feel comfortable about himself because he is made weak

MJ is a result of their hatred toward nature

Visionz
10-03-2005, 03:13 AM
exactly, racism is just another tool the powerful use to keep the weak divided and battlin each other so that we never take the time to find who our real enemy is.

TeknicelStylez
10-03-2005, 03:13 AM
Your a result of there hatred towards you, hatred spawned from hatred, thats always productive.

7EL7
10-03-2005, 03:13 AM
Condoleeza rice COUGH COUGH, colin powell COUGH COUGH COUGH

It's cold in here....
trained slaves who do what they are commanded ?

another result of white supremacy

if you believe that them 2 really has any say so on how america is ran maintained then you have been bamboozled

Visionz
10-03-2005, 03:15 AM
who's hatred? this post ^ was in regards to what tek wrote. that hatred is amongst and from the powerful in this world

TeknicelStylez
10-03-2005, 03:15 AM
trained slaves who do what they are commanded ?

another result of white supremacy

if you believe that them 2 really has any say so on how america is ran maintained then you have been bamboozledI know they don't have shit to say, don't act like I'm ignorant because you would be shocked.

I've been doing my research and spotted something wrong with the gonverment by the age of 10, probably younger than you.

TeknicelStylez
10-03-2005, 03:16 AM
who's hatred? this post ^ was in regards to what tek wrote. that hatred is amongst and from the powerful in this worldHis hatred for NON-Blacks

7EL7
10-03-2005, 03:17 AM
there is no hate here

there is a need though

when a cop locks up a child murderer do you consider that hate

when the judge sentences that same man to life in prison is the judge using hate against hate ?



NO
its called justice

pretending that we are all one and everything is good is hate on the highest level because you lie to yourself and the victims of hatred

7EL7
10-03-2005, 03:19 AM
who's hatred? this post ^ was in regards to what tek wrote. that hatred is amongst and from the powerful in this world
who are the powerful in this world ?
who is the author of this current world we all live in ?
why is english the number 1 language on the globe ( the most recognized ) ?

Visionz
10-03-2005, 03:21 AM
we are one, brother. the have-nots of this world have been shitted on and fed off of us for the history of mankind. if you let skin color alone divide you from the rest of us in the struggle, then it only goes to show that their plan is working

Visionz
10-03-2005, 03:24 AM
who are the powerful in this world ?
who is the author of this current world we all live in ?
why is english the number 1 language on the globe ( the most recognized ) ?

do you know that most of the US debt, which is in the trillions, is owed to China? The power-structure in this country is most definetly dominated by rich, white people. Hard for me to say with absolute certainty that this is true for the entire globe.

TeknicelStylez
10-03-2005, 03:30 AM
For instance, 9-11 was orchestrated, how many white people died in that?

Classic proof that the gonverment does not give a shit about you, no matter what skin color you are.

The way the playing field is set was so that 3 people are playing, 1 person is in control but remains manipulating in the background, 1 person is in a higher position than the other, and the other is in a lower position. The lower in position observes the higher position, becomes resentful and starts fighting with him. In turn the person whose really in control quietly takes the whole board.

Read the protocols of Zion, it specifically states that they want the minority to be resentful towards the middle class, they want us to storm the suburbs and start burning down white peoples homes and shit. Than they can easily eliminate us with support, and than they'll turn on the middle class.

7EL7
10-03-2005, 03:30 AM
funny that you say mankind


information/knowledge about God/devil, Black/white was sealed up for 7000 years
every 1000 years one seal is opened

it takes time for this information/knowledge/light to reach the waters (people) in its full brilliance

lying to oneself concerning oneself is a path to destruction

accepting who and what you are and building from there to become great is the move and order

7EL7
10-03-2005, 03:34 AM
do you know that most of the US debt, which is in the trillions, is owed to China? The power-structure in this country is most definetly dominated by rich, white people. Hard for me to say with absolute certainty that this is true for the entire globe.
this is just like saying "well africans and arabs sold us the slaves"

yeah but why buy slaves/servants and mistreat them for 400 plus years,
lie to them about their place of origin and who they are

why do you think that europeans needed slaves to work the land and build for them homes ?

Visionz
10-03-2005, 03:35 AM
lying to oneself concerning oneself is a path to destruction

accepting who and what you are and building from there to become great is the move and order

please expand on these last two points you have made

7EL7
10-03-2005, 03:42 AM
we tell ourselves fibs so that we can feel comfortable and fit into what we think we should be accepted in
everyone wants to be on the winning team

i get tired of this black and white situation
because the truth is that all of yall are in very big trouble right now

half the sky is bright blue but the other half is purple to black because its not fully day time yet
as the sky brightens and the people wake up we rest up
yall ain't even letting me get a lunch break

Visionz
10-03-2005, 03:43 AM
no, that point was to say the really China already owns most of the US. who holds the power? follow the money trail. This country still denies blacks their history. Nothing is taught in public schools about the history of Africa outside of Egypt. They are still trying to mentally enslave the general populus. Everything that is massively popular appeals to the lowest common denominator. This isn't because of race itself but rather to keep things divided.

7EL7
10-03-2005, 03:49 AM
you cannot pass the noose over to the chinese, to the africans or the arabs just because "they did it too"

when i told a HISTORY teacher of mines that Egypt was in AFRICA he laughed and told me that that was impossible (very true story)

how could a history teacher not know that

he was always cool with us, and upspirited
until i told him that
his whole mood changed toward us

was it that he was surprised that young black ghetto new yorkers were beginning to wake up to the truth about him his kind and the lies that told to keep us feeling low about ourselves or did he really not know that Egypt is in africa

7EL7
10-03-2005, 03:53 AM
another story is about a white youth who was learning the bible

this guy has black friends and does not seem racist at all

but when asked "according to the bible, where is the garden of eden"
he replied with a smile

"somewhere in europe"


you see, even white folks are lied to to keep them feeling high and mighty

but the ride is up and the truth about it all is out


theres no stopping that

Visionz
10-03-2005, 03:55 AM
but can you see that the effects are two-fold? see first it seeks to deny blacks of their own personal worth but at the same time it seeks to not give white any reason to respect blacks and to try and create a sense of superiority w/in whites so that we are both fucked w/ the same move.

Bloo
10-03-2005, 03:56 AM
I'm with you on that 7

I feel that there are certain truths that are hidden in order to keep a certain goal. I've had that arguement about Egypt myself. The only way someone wouldn't know that info is if they never looked at a globe and I'm sure as a science major your teacher has seen where egypt was loacated on that map. He was just blind like the little white kid with the bible. That's not all of them though

7EL7
10-03-2005, 03:56 AM
but overall white is on top

even if he sacrifices his own to get that

7EL7
10-03-2005, 04:01 AM
he has to commit mass genocide to feel comfortable in a world where he is genetically the weakess man

its like the cain and abel story

one was "abel" to bring forth life out of the ground

and the other was angry because his brother was "abel" to do what he himself "cain t"

so cain killed him out of jealousy

because abel was noticed and loved by God

Visionz
10-03-2005, 04:08 AM
overall, people in power are on top...you make a lot of generalizations...like the bible story, u never actually asked me where I thought the garden of eden was. Instead of asking a white guy where he thought it was at, you tell a story about asking a white guy where it was at. why not test the theory out yourself?

7EL7
10-03-2005, 04:31 AM
lol

i told the story to prove that whites have been lied to about who they really are

Visionz
10-03-2005, 04:39 AM
but some of us figure it out in spite of the system's bullshit. I just ask that you not succumb to the same mentality that they have tried to impose on us by grouping a whole race of people together under one big umbrella and expecting it to be true for everyone. it's just simply not the case.

7EL7
10-03-2005, 04:49 AM
Dog Bite Law




Dog Bite Statistics

There is a dog bite epidemic in the United States. There are almost 5 million victims annually -- about 2% of the entire population. 800,000 need medical attention. 1,000 per day need treatment in hospital emergency rooms. Between 15 and 20 die per year. Most of the victims who receive medical attention are children, half of whom are bitten in the face. Dog bite losses exceed $1 billion per year, with $345 million paid by insurance.


The problem appears to be growing. In a 7-year period during the 1990's, the number of dogs rose by 2% while the number of bites increased by 33%. The property/casualty insurance industry paid $250 million for dog bite claims in 1995, $310 million in 2001, and $345.5 million in 2002. Additional losses were paid by other segments of the insurance industry, such as health insurers.

The dog bite epidemic: a primer (http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html#Thedogbiteepidemic)
Canine homicides and the dog bite epidemic: do not confuse them (http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html#homicide)
The dogs most likely to kill (http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html#Thedogsmostlikelytobite)
Children are the most frequent victims (http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html#Childrenfrequentvictims)
The face is the most frequent target (http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html#Theface)



have you ever been a victim ?

its good to study these cases on dog attacks
to check out the dog owners attitude toward the victim of the attack

they are usually nonchalant about it all

and they tend to blame the victim for the attack

not all rot weilers and pit bulls attack, but its their nature to hunt and attack and its very possible that they will
no matter how much they were domesticated
its their nature to hunt

Visionz
10-03-2005, 04:58 AM
One cannot look at an individual dog, recognize its breed, and then state whether or not it is going to attack.

Any dog, treated harshly or trained to attack, may bite a person. Any dog can be turned into a dangerous dog. The owner most often is responsible -- not the breed, and not the dog.


in short, the people who run shit is fuckin it up, the breed of the dog doesn't seem to matter much

7EL7
10-03-2005, 05:06 AM
now i'm diappointed

i get the same reply from the same type of people all the time

people just don't value life

the point is this

dogs bite

family dogs bite

fighting dogs bite

no matter if they were treated bad or good they bite and attack because its their nature to hunt

There are almost 5 million victims annually -- about 2% of the entire population. 800,000 need medical attention. 1,000 per day need treatment in hospital emergency rooms. Between 15 and 20 die per year.

thats enough to say that dogs are dangerous
when they have a history of biting, maming and killing then something should be done about how we as humans handle dogs

7EL7
10-03-2005, 05:07 AM
its funny though because the same people who claim that we should not lump all white people in one bunch will be the same people talking about "fuck the police"

Visionz
10-03-2005, 05:16 AM
but I know that not all cops are bad, although I have a general distrust of cops and I can understand why blacks have a general distrust of whites but no sterotype is true a %100 percent of the time.

7EL7
10-03-2005, 05:17 AM
but I know that not all cops are bad, although I have a general distrust of cops and I can understand why blacks have a general distrust of whites but no sterotype is true a %100 percent of the time.

understandable and agreeable

Visionz
10-03-2005, 05:27 AM
lol, I can't believe I'm reading that

7EL7
10-03-2005, 06:25 AM
do you eat from people you don't trust ?

do you go fishing with them ?

LHX
10-03-2005, 06:53 AM
he has to commit mass genocide to feel comfortable in a world where he is genetically the weakess man

its like the cain and abel story

one was "abel" to bring forth life out of the ground

and the other was angry because his brother was "abel" to do what he himself "cain t"

so cain killed him out of jealousy

because abel was noticed and loved by God

god is the villain in this story because he showed preference

get some perspective


you sound like dr. frankenstein hating the monster he created and not blaming himself for creating it

7EL7
10-03-2005, 06:55 AM
sound ?


i know whats up

LHX
10-03-2005, 06:58 AM
sound ?


i know whats up
thats classic:

instead of debating my point which he fully understands

the lawyer takes issue with the word i use and tries to deflect attention



thats white man tactics if i ever saw it

7EL7
10-03-2005, 02:31 PM
call it what you want because i know the true reason behind it

i see the words false prophet under your name

what did you prophesy that was false ?

LHX
10-03-2005, 04:31 PM
all of it

even this

blackwisdom
10-03-2005, 04:31 PM
it was by chairman omali yeshitela. and i feel exactly what he's saying.Thank you for the clarification.

Take it easy

blackwisdom
10-03-2005, 04:44 PM
i do more than listen, and what the fuck am i supposed to do about what my ancestors did? that's in the past now. don't gimme that bullshit, cause how do you know your ancestors weren't selling slaves?

hip hop will be dead until we ressurect that shit by uniting, instead of dividing and pointing the finger.


what did i do to you?
Everyone plays a part in the struggle. It's not just about who's selling slaves or drugs or guns. It's about revealing and dealing with the truth. American history is still Eurocentric and destructive to brown people's minds. We've never integrated; we've only assimilated into European civilization. It was support to be an equal trade. It never happened and never will under this hypocritical social system built and ran off of Global White World Supremacy. I know my role because I'm defining it with some brothers that have been in the struggle since day one. Every man and woman has to define her/himself and apply her/his new definition to daily life in a fruitful and productive way. Blacks need to build up Blacks before we can do anything else. I know people say that there's no difference, that's a lie. Every aspect of us is different; culturally, genetically (dominant and recessive traits), linguistically, spiritually, etc. You have to do deep and intense study to see these things though. It's on a metaphysical level though. I'm starting to ramble, but every one has a part to play in the struggle and some people's parts just so happens to be given other people a reason to struggle. I apologize for my unfocused response but I know some of you will feel me, and sometimes that's even more important than understanding.

Take it easy
Peace

blackwisdom
10-03-2005, 04:50 PM
i didnt call them racist.. i said they sound like it. i dont listen to enuff of their music or know enuff about them to call them racist. but when i listen to a track and hear cracker this and cracker that its gets old.. as well as nigga this and nigga that. i personally have had nothing to do with, will never ever have anything to do with... opressing people, slavery, racsism, etc... all the same bullshit i hear over and over again. its always what the white mans doing.. this and that. he holding me down and i cant live... that is a sellout piss poor excuse!! i aint rich.. i didnt come from a well off background.. i had it just as hard as the next... and everything i have i didnt get from bitching and complaining about. always making excuses and blaming the white man!! wtf is that... sure its good to speak out and be proactive, but when i hear someone call me a cracker just cause im white... its bullshit. and thats what i hear when deadpres rap... callin every white dude a cracker and blaming me for shit that happen before i was born.

fuck that...

and to all yall who think your so fuckin intelligent cause you read a fuckin book on somethin... please!!! wtf are you doin really!!!!



and for what i quoted... i have a clue. if i didnt.. i wouldnt have said anything.
If you were to listen to their music you would know that they don't "hate" all white people. They're trying to reach people, so they use certain words to get our attention. They're doing massive things in the communities. And yes, if people are just being arm chair revolutionaries they need to be called out. Good for you for stating that. Like the track says though, "Don't hate the wolf for trying to live."

Take it easy

blackwisdom
10-03-2005, 04:53 PM
fuck man

all this time and i cant figure out why we cant all agree that we are all living in a shit hole


its like we are all swimming in our own shit
and trying to blame somebody else for shitting

what the fuck?





it is worse than you thinkI've never heard an intelligent Black person "blame" all whites.

There's always exceptions to rules.

Take it easy

7EL7
10-03-2005, 04:55 PM
Originally Posted by MaShPG
i do more than listen, and what the fuck am i supposed to do about what my ancestors did? that's in the past now. don't gimme that bullshit, cause how do you know your ancestors weren't selling slaves?



like 2 kids caught one gets pulled to the side and says "he was doing it too"

but you got caught with the rock plus your friend says that it was your idea

now live out your sentence peacefully

hip hop will be dead until we ressurect that shit by uniting, instead of dividing and pointing the finger.


what did i do to you?
and what

now the black people made Hip Hop popular its for everyone now ?

now we cool people now that we are on top

so yall wanna be down now huh ?

until you can get enough of your own in there to cover up our contributions
like yall did with rock
rock and roll was once a black thing and so was jazz
but your kind erased that history and replaced it with elvis

will yall do the same thing with eminem ?

blackwisdom
10-03-2005, 04:59 PM
You know as of right now I feel it's no longer a black/white issue, I think it's a green issue. Cause I don't care how racist a white person is, they'll give a rich nigga a chance as long as he's got money. They might complain a little about the way he talks, or the way he's dressed, but it won't be one of those escort you off the premesis situations until he goes broke.I bet you they won't be so quick to offer me money to open up an all Black school that teaches about Ancient Kemet and melanin science. Don't get it twisted, I'm not jumping you. I'm just saying that "they'll" (and I mean very specific people) only allow you to do something if it suits their needs and goals. I know my people feel me (white, brown, and yellow; if these are real colors).

Take it easy

7EL7
10-03-2005, 05:00 PM
honestly

i can see where yall all are at because i been there and back before lol i'm old

don't judge my tactics in getting this done and stay outa my way

LHX
10-03-2005, 07:14 PM
honestly

i can see where yall all are at because i been there and back before lol i'm old

don't judge my tactics in getting this done and stay outa my way
sound like somebody heading to a wall full speed



if you want everybody to stay out of your way
wouldnt it be wise to not plant the idea of getting in your way?


fuck

i am sitting here reading these forums
and i see somebody say 'stay outta my way'

my first impulse is to get in somebodys way



maybe we are getting off on the wrong foot here

i dont want to spoil a good relationship before we even gave it a chance

LHX
10-03-2005, 07:15 PM
I've never heard an intelligent Black person "blame" all whites.

There's always exceptions to rules.

Take it easy
i have never heard an intelligent person blame anybody

PEACE

7EL7
10-03-2005, 07:23 PM
sound like somebody heading to a wall full speed



if you want everybody to stay out of your way
wouldnt it be wise to not plant the idea of getting in your way?


fuck

i am sitting here reading these forums
and i see somebody say 'stay outta my way'

my first impulse is to get in somebodys way



maybe we are getting off on the wrong foot here

i dont want to spoil a good relationship before we even gave it a chance

if someone asks you to not bother them at all, your the type of person that would bother them just because they asked you not to ?

sounds demonic to me
and thanks for the lead
i got what i wanted out of it although it wasn't planned for you

7EL7
10-03-2005, 07:24 PM
i have never heard an intelligent person blame anybody

PEACE
BLAME ?

MaShPG
10-03-2005, 07:29 PM
now the black people made Hip Hop popular its for everyone now ?

um..yea. Hip Hop isn't just for black people. Ask any of the Hip Hop pioneers (KRS-One, DJ Kool Herc, Afrikaa Bambatta, and even Grandmaster Flash, the dude in your sig) and they'll say Hip Hop is for everybody. And I'm not into Hip Hop to "be cool", if I were I'd be listening to 50 and all that crap. I'm in Hip Hop to benefit from it and to improve the kulture of it, something you probably know nothing about, because if you think Hip Hop is only for blacks you are an ignorant moron no different from clansmen. See blackwisdom is pro-black and all of that, yet he does it in a respectful manner that doesn't accuse all whites, he knows what Hip Hop is too, your just an arrogant asshole.

7EL7
10-03-2005, 07:39 PM
um..yea. Hip Hop isn't just for black people. Ask any of the Hip Hop pioneers (KRS-One, DJ Kool Herc, Afrikaa Bambatta, and even Grandmaster Flash, the dude in your sig) and they'll say Hip Hop is for everybody. And I'm not into Hip Hop to "be cool", if I were I'd be listening to 50 and all that crap. I'm in Hip Hop to benefit from it and to improve the kulture of it, something you probably know nothing about, because if you think Hip Hop is only for blacks you are an ignorant moron no different from clansmen. See blackwisdom is pro-black and all of that, yet he does it in a respectful manner that doesn't accuse all whites, he knows what Hip Hop is too, your just an arrogant asshole.
don't be mad

i understand

but you telling me that i probaly know nothing about benifitting from or preserving Hip Hop is crazy

on the real though i know niggas who would slap your skull backwards for even thinking that about me

YOU CANNOT EVER TELL ME SHIT ABOUT HIP HOP

and why compare me to black wisdom
i'm not him and i'm not here to be your friend
or have you like me

Ask any of the Hip Hop pioneers (KRS-One, DJ Kool Herc, Afrikaa Bambatta, and even Grandmaster Flash, the dude in your sig) and as long as lil pink kids keep spending that money on our albums they'll keep telling that

but i'm not gonna even call you stupid for believing that your just uninformed about it all

but let me phrase it like this
Hip Hop is for everyone and everyone has their own place in it wether big or small

get in yours

See blackwisdom is pro-black and all of that, yet he does it in a respectful manner that doesn't accuse all whites, he knows what Hip Hop is too, your just an arrogant asshole
who accused all whites ?

what are all whites accused of ?

there are not too many people who can tell me anything about Hip Hop

MaShPG
10-03-2005, 07:43 PM
I know 5 guys that'll slap tha shit outta you for thinking you know Hip Hop, and they're in your sig.

Simply for trying to divide Hip Hop, you are harming it, much like anybody on the radio.

If you think Hip Hop is just for blacks than you don't know Hip Hop. Simple as that, end of story.

*TOPIC LOCKED*

7EL7
10-03-2005, 07:46 PM
I know 5 guys that'll slap tha shit outta you for thinking you know Hip Hop, and they're in your sig.

Simply for trying to divide Hip Hop, you are harming it, much like anybody on the radio.

If you think Hip Hop is just for blacks than you don't know Hip Hop. Simple as that, end of story.

*TOPIC LOCKED* stupid

2 of those guys in my sig used to come to the crib in The Bronx on the regular

just be quiet man because now your just being real foolish

your angry and your typing out of anger

and where did i say that Hip Hop was only for Blacks ?


hot head

7EL7
10-03-2005, 07:52 PM
and instead of whites telling us that we should just leave whats in the past alone and forget about what happened they should be saying
we know what our people are doing to yall and we would like to help yall rebuild


but you don't do this so now wrath is on your head and you will feel the way we were made to feel

being turned away from social gatherings, having our self esteem lowered by calling us apes and monkeys and 3/5 of a human being

yall will begin to experience these things because you refuse to do whats right

and the more yall cover it up and try to dismiss it, the worst it'll be for yall

MaShPG
10-03-2005, 07:53 PM
Aright, I'ma walk away from this shit, your too close minded for this right now...You go try to convince a white supremacist that blacks aren't bad people.

You really need to educate yourself though, I feel you have a distorted view on what Hip Hop is, but hey what matters what I think, I'm just a white boy.

7EL7
10-03-2005, 07:57 PM
Aright, I'ma walk away from this shit, your too close minded for this right now...You go try to convince a white supremacist that blacks aren't bad people.

You really need to educate yourself though, I feel you have a distorted view on what Hip Hop is, but hey what matters what I think, I'm just a white boy.
yeah and a 16 year old white boy at that

i'm not closed minded at all

my mind is closed to 16 year old white boys from who the fuck knows where telling me what Hip Hop is and isn't

finish letting the hairs on your balls grow then see me

blackwisdom
10-03-2005, 08:05 PM
nah thats not what i meant but by the way its written and how i explained my use of the words crackas and niggas you can say that i'm saying that all crackas hate niggas

but i wouldn't use hate to describe this
i would say that its in their nature to prey on us to preserve their existance
and their envious nature can bring hate into itTo further explain this there are dominant and recessive traits. There are majorities of population and minorities of populations. "Caucasians" are in the minority of this planet's population and to complicate this their traits are recessive. "Global" scientists understand this and implement "agendas" to prevent the erradication of these traits. Do some real research on the German "Black" (really molatto) Holocaust, the HIV/AIDS pandemic (how it started, what scientists were envolved), the drug genocide of the streets. This is the origin of "racism," everything else is a pro/reaction to this movement.

Take it easy

MaShPG
10-03-2005, 08:05 PM
Alright I wanted to walk away, but I ain't letting that slip, cause apparently you're a fucking six year old. Yea, shut the fuck up.

Or, according to your "i hung with the furious five" bullshit, you might be like 50 years old, but still go online and name call people who are trying to be respectful like you in a fucking playground.

7EL7
10-03-2005, 08:11 PM
Aright, I'ma walk away from this shit.
why did you lie ?


you started the disrespect when you called me an asshole
that set off the name calling in this thread
if you wanna name call and battle with insults then i'm up for it
just know that you began this not me

blackwisdom
10-03-2005, 08:21 PM
god is the villain in this story because he showed preference

get some perspective


you sound like dr. frankenstein hating the monster he created and not blaming himself for creating itGod gave credit where it was due. One was lazy so he was reprimanded. The other went above and beyond so he was praised. The weak envy the strong and righteous. They kill them to hide their own shame.

7EL7
10-03-2005, 08:32 PM
Originally Posted by LHX
god is the villain in this story because he showed preference

get some perspective


you sound like dr. frankenstein hating the monster he created and not blaming himself for creating it


plus i know how the monster was created, i already blamed myself for creating it

but now the monster is out of hand and needs to be contained and put down

blackwisdom
10-03-2005, 08:36 PM
i have never heard an intelligent person blame anybody

PEACEPoint very well taken.

Take it easy

MaShPG
10-03-2005, 08:38 PM
so yall wanna be down now huh ?



that's disrespect right there. imagine if i said you were just into Hip Hop to be cool. nuff said.

7EL7
10-03-2005, 08:41 PM
so yall wanna be down now huh ?



that's disrespect right there. imagine if i said you were just into Hip Hop to be cool. nuff said.


i would laugh at you

but you missed my point in saying that and you took it as disrespect because you don't know any better

took you long enough to find something that i said that you thought was disrespectful

but the fact that your lying about it all and bringing up false claims is disrespectful

blackwisdom
10-03-2005, 08:45 PM
um..yea. Hip Hop isn't just for black people. Ask any of the Hip Hop pioneers (KRS-One, DJ Kool Herc, Afrikaa Bambatta, and even Grandmaster Flash, the dude in your sig) and they'll say Hip Hop is for everybody. And I'm not into Hip Hop to "be cool", if I were I'd be listening to 50 and all that crap. I'm in Hip Hop to benefit from it and to improve the kulture of it, something you probably know nothing about, because if you think Hip Hop is only for blacks you are an ignorant moron no different from clansmen. See blackwisdom is pro-black and all of that, yet he does it in a respectful manner that doesn't accuse all whites, he knows what Hip Hop is too, your just an arrogant asshole.No need to attack. To me Hip Hop is what the Afrikan Spirituals were to the Underground Railroad. It's a forum that gives a voice to the mute. Any good tool should be used by anyone that can properly use it. Look at the original Karate weapons; they were used for very practical purposes, whether as weapons or farming tools. People use Hip Hop the same way. Some people just use it to eat with, while other use it as a tool for self defense and as a unified weapon to gather the minds of those that need a particular message. Unlike Karate weapons Hip Hop was used as a weapon of unification before it was used as a primary means of gathering resources (by a mass amount of people). Yafeelme?

Take it easy
Peace

MaShPG
10-03-2005, 08:49 PM
Hell yea, I feel ya, I agree with you 110%. Thanks for coming correct.

And I don't feel like I was attacking, I was defending. It just upsets me when people tell me what I can and can't be a part of. That's some slavery shit right there. And yea, I'm 16. But I feel I got a lot of knowledge about Hip Hop, at least more than a lot of you did at my age. Here is my views on Hip Hop, I wish ya'll would read it. http://www.wutangcorp.com/showthread.php?t=9191

7EL7
10-03-2005, 08:50 PM
Hip Hop is the voice of the oppressed and down troddened and its also the Voice of the Supreme Being, the very Word of God :First


Second: its a culture that is being exploited and destroyed by those who are jealous of those it brought power to

MaShPG
10-03-2005, 08:52 PM
50 Cent, Young Jeezy, Nelly, T.I., etc. are jealous of those it brought power to?

and don't tell me white people are behind all these garbage rappers ^, cause white people didn't write they're lyrics.

7EL7
10-03-2005, 08:54 PM
why are whites lumped into one big bag ?

http://www.web.net/%7Ejharnick/i/racist5.gif
http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/immigration/whites-only.gif
http://www.efn.org/%7Espencerj/Land%20Use%20Old/%5Bsub%5Durban%20history/10sign.jpg


BECAUSE ITS PROMOTED LIKE THIS

7EL7
10-03-2005, 08:56 PM
50 Cent, Young Jeezy, Nelly, T.I., etc. are jealous of those it brought power to?

and don't tell me white people are behind all these garbage rappers ^, cause white people didn't write they're lyrics.
White people forced the english language on them though and pushed that demonic culture on us


but wait

are you calling my brothers garbage ?

MaShPG
10-03-2005, 08:59 PM
and white people forced the same shit on mos def, talib kweli, krs-one, grandmaster flash, dj kool herc, big l, wu-tang, canibus, masta ace, the list goes on. All of these people refused to accept the language, so why did your "brothers"?

and yea I'm calling them garbage.

7EL7
10-03-2005, 09:01 PM
why did some stay in the field and others in the house ?


this is elementary right here

i'm not teaching elementary anymore






take this with you


http://img261.echo.cx/img261/769/ohoh4wx.jpg

MaShPG
10-03-2005, 09:07 PM
Wrong, the answer is because they're garbage. They could've easily "kept it real" you can't blame that shit on white folks.

blackwisdom
10-03-2005, 09:11 PM
and white people forced the same shit on mos def, talib kweli, krs-one, grandmaster flash, dj kool herc, big l, wu-tang, canibus, masta ace, the list goes on. All of these people refused to accept the language, so why did your "brothers"?

and yea I'm calling them garbage.You have some that just don't know
You have some that know but don't care
You have some that know but won't show
You have some that know and are scared
You have some that know and dont' care about the circumstances cause they're warriors for a cause

A person is never a lie, s/he is always a true reflection of her/himself. If they choose to talk destructive life can still be gained by it. If they want to construct minds, destruction is still reaked from it. It's all in the same. I use to say the same thing until I realized the truth in the manner. Every word that 50 cent says isn't destructive and every word that Talib says isn't constructive. Yafeelme? That would mean that Talib is garbage cause he uses obscene language and says Nigga, and 50 is not garbage cause he reflects true pains of the Ghetto. So now... who is garbage.

Take it easy

MaShPG
10-03-2005, 09:16 PM
That's a good point...never thought of it that way. But you can understand the overall difference in the content between Kweli and 50 right? I'm just sick of the whole "it's white people's fault" excuse. That's played out.

peace and thanks for sharing respectfully blackwisdom,

MaSh

7EL7
10-03-2005, 09:17 PM
Wrong, the answer is because they're garbage. They could've easily "kept it real" you can't blame that shit on white folks.

everything that is wrong is white folks fault

LHX
10-03-2005, 09:21 PM
plus i know how the monster was created, i already blamed myself for creating it

but now the monster is out of hand and needs to be contained and put down







contained?

i am now conviced that you are fucking with me


you sound on point but then you say dumb shit like that

plus
you are fucking with the closest thing to an ally that you can possibly have



if you are fucking around - good job
you almost had me


if you arent
then you will be crushed

but i am sure you are aware of all this

7EL7
10-03-2005, 09:25 PM
contained?

i am now conviced that you are fucking with me


you sound on point but then you say dumb shit like that

plus
you are fucking with the closest thing to an ally that you can possibly have



if you are fucking around - good job
you almost had me


if you arent
then you will be crushed

but i am sure you are aware of all this

crushed by a monster i created ?

lol

hell no

all he does is go "ahrrrrrg ahhrgggg huh"

He's already half dead

plus
you are fucking with the closest thing to an ally that you can possibly have
what the fuck is this suppose to mean ?

an alley ?

lol oh my living breathing God

blackwisdom
10-03-2005, 09:26 PM
That's a good point...never thought of it that way. But you can understand the overall difference in the content between Kweli and 50 right? I'm just sick of the whole "it's white people's fault" excuse. That's played out.

peace and thanks for sharing respectfully blackwisdom,

MaShLike I said in the mist of you two's arguing; Everyone has a part to play. "Non-Blacks" need to fess up to who, what, when, why, and how they attempted to destroy the Black and Brown people. The Black and Brown need to do the research of discovering their true selves, re-defining themselves and applying themselves in this society. These are just the tip of the ice berg. Unless this bare minimum is accomplished the Black and Brown are justified in saying that people oppress us, cause they don't want to do anyhting about it. 'But only we can really do something about it. Example:

If a Woman has no self-respect and can't respectful others, noone will ever, ever, ever, ever respect her. 'But if she takes a stance as a Strong Woman with upright morals principles that is building foundations and institutions in her personal life her family life her professional life and her community at large, people will have no other choice but to Respect her. That's the mission of the Black and Brown people on this globe.

Peace

blackwisdom
10-03-2005, 09:29 PM
everything that is wrong is white folks faultYou know what, I see now where you are coming from. I saw it, but I was looking at the small and big picture. I feel you.

Take it easy

LHX
10-03-2005, 09:30 PM
what the fuck is this suppose to mean ?

an alley ?

lol oh my living breathing God
damn yo

are you saying that we are enemies?


the olive branch is being held out to you...

7EL7
10-03-2005, 09:30 PM
Like I said in the mist of you two's arguing; Everyone has a part to play. "Non-Blacks" need to fess up to who, what, when, why, and how they attempted to destroy the Black and Brown people. The Black and Brown need to do the research of discovering their true selves, re-defining themselves and applying themselves in this society. These are just the tip of the ice berg. Unless this bare minimum is accomplished the Black and Brown are justified in saying that people oppress us, cause they don't want to do anyhting about it. 'But only we can really do something about it. Example:

If a Woman has no self-respect and can't respectful others, noone will ever, ever, ever, ever respect her. 'But if she takes a stance as a Strong Woman with upright morals principles that is building foundations and institutions in her personal life her family life her professional life and her community at large, people will have no other choice but to Respect her. That's the mission of the Black and Brown people on this globe.

Peace
they'll respect her
then they'll kill her like they do any of us with knowledge of self who stands strong

so my mission is to make shure what they do to us is erased for good

MaShPG
10-03-2005, 09:31 PM
I don't understand what an apology or fess up from me is going to do. I'm just one person and am in no way racist, yet I'm still be hated by blacks for no reason. Am I hated because of what my forefathers did? Well alright if you want to hate me for that be my guest. But if you want racism to end, like many problems, you need to look within yourself first. Because as long as you think this:everything that is wrong is white folks faultYou're the same as white supremacists.

7EL7
10-03-2005, 09:31 PM
You know what, I see now where you are coming from. I saw it, but I was looking at the small and big picture. I feel you.

Take it easy

scape goat

they say put everything on the Goat

check the scriptures on the different characteristics of the Goat and the Sheep if you haven't already

blackwisdom
10-03-2005, 09:32 PM
He's already half deadIf you haven't noticed by now, he's not talking about Hip Hop right now. He's talking about something that will happen that no one can stop. If you take offense to it, then you're acknowledging that this post was originally about as correctness.

Take it easy

7EL7
10-03-2005, 09:33 PM
I don't understand what an apology or fess up from me is going to do. I'm just one person and am in no way racist, yet I'm still be hated by blacks for no reason. Am I hated because of what my forefathers did? Well alright if you want to hate me for that be my guest. But if you want racism to end, like many problems, you need to look within yourself first. Because as long as you thing this:
You're the same as white supremacists.

no i'm not

i'm a lawyer for my people and i got your ass on the witness stand sweating
talking about "can we all just get along"

there is a difference

MaShPG
10-03-2005, 09:36 PM
So you don't want to get along with me simply because I'm white? That sounds racist to me. And I'm not sweating, I'm building. Your hating.

blackwisdom
10-03-2005, 09:38 PM
I don't understand what an apology or fess up from me is going to do. I'm just one person and am in no way racist, yet I'm still be hated by blacks for no reason. Am I hated because of what my forefathers did? Well alright if you want to hate me for that be my guest. But if you want racism to end, like many problems, you need to look within yourself first. Because as long as you think this you're the same as white supremacists.I said that everyone has a place in this. If you just say they did it and don't try to "fix" it then you're still at fault. The same way with me not looking into myself first (which I already have and still continue to do).
scape goat

they say put everything on the Goat

check the scriptures on the different characteristics of the Goat and the Sheep if you haven't already
I did this several years ago.

Peace

LHX
10-03-2005, 09:38 PM
He's talking about something that will happen that no one can stop.
truth

i just cant quite figure out what talking shit on an internet forum would do in aid of anything

unless mr 7 is talking shit and trying to confuse anybody who reads this thread



from what i can see
everything is well on its way to ending with or without any heroic actions from anybody posting on the wutangcorp.com internet forums


but
i may be wrong
(this has happened repeatedly in the past)

7EL7
10-03-2005, 09:40 PM
um..yea. Hip Hop isn't just for black people. Ask any of the Hip Hop pioneers (KRS-One, DJ Kool Herc, Afrikaa Bambatta, and even Grandmaster Flash, the dude in your sig) and they'll say Hip Hop is for everybody. And I'm not into Hip Hop to "be cool", if I were I'd be listening to 50 and all that crap. I'm in Hip Hop to benefit from it and to improve the kulture of it, something you probably know nothing about, because if you think Hip Hop is only for blacks you are an ignorant moron no different from clansmen. See blackwisdom is pro-black and all of that, yet he does it in a respectful manner that doesn't accuse all whites, he knows what Hip Hop is too, your just an arrogant asshole.

we don't get along because of this
not because your white

i don't dislike people because they are pink in color
that would be stupid and i'm to grown to think like that

blackwisdom
10-03-2005, 09:41 PM
truth

i just cant quite figure out what talking shit on an internet forum would do in aid of anything

unless mr 7 is talking shit and trying to confuse anybody who reads this thread



from what i can see
everything is well on its way to ending with or without any heroic actions from anybody posting on the wutangcorp.com internet forums


but
i may be wrong
(this has happened repeatedly in the past)"Some" people are on the internet for a small portion of their day. **hum** I wonder what they're doing with the rest of their day.

MaShPG
10-03-2005, 09:42 PM
I said that everyone has a place in this. If you just say they did it and don't try to "fix" it then you're still at fault. The same way with me not looking into myself first (which I already have and still continue to do).

I did this several years ago.

Peace
I'm trying to fix it. I'm trying to desegregate the world, but a lot of ya'll don't want that apparently. So what can I do to fix it? I believe that some people will never forgive me for what my people did many years ago. And that's something I have no control over.

7EL7
10-03-2005, 09:43 PM
Hell yea, I feel ya, I agree with you 110%. Thanks for coming correct.

And I don't feel like I was attacking, I was defending. It just upsets me when people tell me what I can and can't be a part of. That's some slavery shit right there. And yea, I'm 16. But I feel I got a lot of knowledge about Hip Hop, at least more than a lot of you did at my age. Here is my views on Hip Hop, I wish ya'll would read it. http://www.wutangcorp.com/showthread.php?t=9191 by the time i as 14 my work as a Hip Hop musician was on a gold album on the Warner Bros. Label that a Zulu king did

trust me when i tell you
that you cannot and never ever will be able to tell me anything about Hip Hop

Fact

Then you bring up Bams name talking about what he would say and what he wouldn't say

you ever met Bam ?

have you ever read the Zulu Lessons ?

yall kids are hilarious

LHX
10-03-2005, 09:44 PM
"Some" people are on the internet for a small portion of their day. **hum** I wonder what they're doing with the rest of their day.
how the fuck do my posts keep on being interpreted as offensive?


where in gods name did i type anything about the length of time somebody spends on the internet?



what does it matter what you do the rest of the day?
all i have to work with is what i am seeing here on the internet

7EL7
10-03-2005, 09:47 PM
I'm trying to fix it. I'm trying to desegregate the world, but a lot of ya'll don't want that apparently. So what can I do to fix it? I believe that some people will never forgive me for what my people did many years ago. And that's something I have no control over.

how have you tried to desegregate the world ?


telling me how i should feel about white folks won't fix the worlds problems that white folks caused

blackwisdom
10-03-2005, 09:48 PM
I'm trying to fix it. I'm trying to desegregate the world, but a lot of ya'll don't want that apparently. So what can I do to fix it? I believe that some people will never forgive me for what my people did many years ago. And that's something I have no control over.The world doesn't need to be "integrated," america was never integrated. It needs to be understood, but you can never understand something that you never study. If you study it and spread lies about it, then you are mentally ill. People hate people that are consciously mentall ill. You know what people do with the mentally ill, they place them away from the rest of the normal people. We were "forced" to integrate with mentally ill people. We're pissed off at that, cause they dictated our lives and made us mentally ill. Now we are spiritually, culturally, and in many cases physically dead. We eat foods that KILL our bodies minds and spirits; we speak strange languages and don't even know our own; we are seriously injured and this needs to be rectified.

MaShPG
10-03-2005, 09:48 PM
Alright, I'm gonna ask this final question and be done with you. Because it's obvious that you have already made up your mind on white people. What can I (as a white person) do to get black people to forgive my ancestors, and forgive me, dispose of all hate towards white people, and to fix the situation they are currently in?

MaShPG
10-03-2005, 09:50 PM
You're not answering my question:

what can I do to fix it?

is it too late? did my great grandparents already fuck up our relationship and make some of ya'll hate me simply based on my skin color?

7EL7
10-03-2005, 09:50 PM
if i was an crack addict hermorphodite with one arm and no teeth who spends all day on the internet typing the same things i'm typing now won't take away from the truth thats being told in these words

LHX
10-03-2005, 09:50 PM
The world doesn't need to be "integrated," america was never integrated. It needs to be understood, but you can never understand something that you never study. If you study it and spread lies about it, then you are mentally ill. People hate people that are consciously mentall ill. You know what people do with the mentally ill, they place them away from the rest of the normal people. We were "forced" to integrate with mentally ill people. We're pissed off at that, cause they dictated our lives and made us mentally ill. Now we are spiritually, culturally, and in many cases physically dead. We eat foods that KILL our bodies minds and spirits; we speak strange languages and don't even know our own; we are seriously injured and this needs to be rectified.

but
didnt you design them that way?

blackwisdom
10-03-2005, 09:52 PM
how the fuck do my posts keep on being interpreted as offensive?


where in gods name did i type anything about the length of time somebody spends on the internet?



what does it matter what you do the rest of the day?
all i have to work with is what i am seeing here on the internetAll I'm saying is that someone may talk smack on the internet but who will ever know what it all amounts to unless they see them when they get up out of their seat. What you do with the rest of your day (to me) has everything to do with your previous statement.

LHX
10-03-2005, 09:53 PM
if i was an crack addict hermorphodite with one arm and no teeth who spends all day on the internet typing the same things i'm typing now won't take away from the truth thats being told in these words
what does that have to do with anything?


the truth is that white people are trying to control the world
controlling the world is impossible

therefore
they will fail




there it is
the truth

7EL7
10-03-2005, 09:54 PM
Alright, I'm gonna ask this final question and be done with you. Because it's obvious that you have already made up your mind on white people. What can I (as a white person) do to get black people to forgive my ancestors, and forgive me, dispose of all hate towards white people, and to fix the situation they are currently in?

why ask black people to forgive your ancestors instead of finding the broken pieces and trying to mend them into something good - we been giving you those pieces for the whole day now
seems like your trying to escape something

LHX
10-03-2005, 09:54 PM
All I'm saying is that someone may talk smack on the internet but who will ever know what it all amounts to unless they see them when they get up out of their seat. What you do with the rest of your day (to me) has everything to do with your previous statement.
beautiful

so maybe we should all have 24 hour surveillance so we can see what everybody is really made of

LHX
10-03-2005, 09:55 PM
why ask black people to forgive your ancestors instead of finding the broken pieces and trying to mend them into something good - we been giving you those pieces for the whole day now
seems like your trying to escape something
follow the ancestry back far enough and we are all black

i thought this was covered already



escape what?

can i call you dad?

7EL7
10-03-2005, 09:56 PM
but
didnt you design them that way?

yes they were designed to be that way and they were designed to go bye bye after they served their purpose
they no longer serve a purpose but its running around the globe trying to escape time and death
but its almost fully day time and the light will reach and expose them in their hiding

LHX
10-03-2005, 09:58 PM
yes they were designed to be that way and they were designed to go bye bye after they served their purpose
they no longer serve a purpose but its running around the globe trying to escape time and death
but its almost fully day time and the light will reach and expose them in their hiding
so where is the argument?

that all sounds right and exact to me

MaShPG
10-03-2005, 10:04 PM
Alright, my question still wasn't answered (probably because nobody knows the answer).

7EL7-It hurts to see how close minded you are. I'd expect more from somebody who has supposedly built with the pioneers of Hip Hop. There are good white people, know that. And Hip Hop is not about division, it's about unification.

To everybody else, thanks for building with me.

I'm going to bed...

LHX
10-03-2005, 10:06 PM
maybe somebody in here is actually a robot trying to cause everybody to turn on each other

i dont trust none of you

blackwisdom
10-03-2005, 10:07 PM
but
didnt you design them that way?Depending on which theory you want to go with all of this is a bi-product of caucasian culturation.

blackwisdom
10-03-2005, 10:08 PM
Alright, I'm gonna ask this final question and be done with you. Because it's obvious that you have already made up your mind on white people. What can I (as a white person) do to get black people to forgive my ancestors, and forgive me, dispose of all hate towards white people, and to fix the situation they are currently in?Study El Hajj Malik and he may have a good answer for you.

7EL7
10-03-2005, 10:08 PM
Alright, my question still wasn't answered (probably because nobody knows the answer).

7EL7-It hurts to see how close minded you are. I'd expect more from somebody who has supposedly built with the pioneers of Hip Hop. There are good white people, know that. And Hip Hop is not about division, it's about unification.

To everybody else, thanks for building with me.

I'm going to bed...
you take words misinterpet them them spit them back out in twisted form

where in this thread have i told you that i built with Hip Hop pioneers ?

thats one out of many times you twisted what i said

once you open your mind

and stop assuming what you think i mean

we can build for real

blackwisdom
10-03-2005, 10:10 PM
what does that have to do with anything?


the truth is that white people are trying to control the world
controlling the world is impossible

therefore
they will fail




there it is
the truthBut when that happens, who will it affect in the process. If that process was never in acted we wouldn't have to worry about human destruction of the planet. Or would we?

LHX
10-03-2005, 10:12 PM
Depending on which theory you want to go with all of this is a bi-product of caucasian culturation.

nooooooooooo way

i may be dumb but it dont go that way


the black man is the father of civilization
which means he created the white man and is ultimately responsible for the current state of affairs

or

everybody 'magically' developed independently
and the sinister light-skinned people some how became better liars than everybody else and tricked everybody to reach the current state of temporary white domination



i dont care what theory you want to go with
everybody looks like a jackass

and it does not alter the fact that we are all in this shit together
you can try to bend the logic all you want

blackwisdom
10-03-2005, 10:13 PM
beautiful

so maybe we should all have 24 hour surveillance so we can see what everybody is really made ofIncorrect.

That's not my point at all.

7EL7
10-03-2005, 10:15 PM
If we all would do what the Messenger told us to do then we would be able to clearly see solutions to these problems and act on it fast and effectively

LHX
10-03-2005, 10:15 PM
But when that happens, who will it affect in the process. If that process was never in acted we wouldn't have to worry about human destruction of the planet. Or would we?
it affects everybody

many shall come
few are chosen



if the process wasnt set in motion
we would not be having this discussion



the woman who holds the scales of justice is blindfolded

LHX
10-03-2005, 10:16 PM
act on it fast and effectively
thats what they say in the office buildings on wall street aint it?

7EL7
10-03-2005, 10:17 PM
the woman who holds the scales of justice is blindfolded

but she's just holding it

plus ain't she half naked

blackwisdom
10-03-2005, 10:17 PM
follow the ancestry back far enough and we are all black

i thought this was covered already



escape what?

can i call you dad?To answer that question:

Afrikans aren't the fathers of civilation "they" are the Gods of it; "they" are the Gods of medicine; the list goes on. We created these things. Yafeelme?

Does that answer your question.

I see your answer coming, and if that's what you want to call us.

LHX
10-03-2005, 10:17 PM
Incorrect.

That's not my point at all.
oooooooooh

thatll cost you


the correct answer was
"sarcasm"
thats right
"sarcasm"

7EL7
10-03-2005, 10:19 PM
thats what they say in the office buildings on wall street aint it?
i don't ever remember being in an office building on wall st.

LHX
10-03-2005, 10:20 PM
To answer that question:

Afrikans aren't the fathers of civilation "they" are the Gods of it; "they" are the Gods of medicine; the list goes on. We created these things. Yafeelme?

Does that answer your question.

I see your answer coming, and if that's what you want to call us.
created or observed?

LHX
10-03-2005, 10:22 PM
i don't ever remember being in an office building on wall st.
prove it




fuck it

i love you dumb bitches regardless of the situation


whether you are my father
or you kill me
or defame me

or what ever heroic/tragic situation you want to imagine



black man is god


this world is a big waiting room

go fuck yourselves

see you tomorrow

PEACE

blackwisdom
10-03-2005, 10:23 PM
created or observed?Good question. I have an answer, do you have one?

Spoon Face
10-03-2005, 10:23 PM
thats right let it out i just found out today that your white like me LHX
hooray

blackwisdom
10-03-2005, 10:26 PM
prove it




fuck it

i love you dumb bitches regardless of the situation


whether you are my father
or you kill me
or defame me

or what ever heroic/tragic situation you want to imagine



black man is god


this world is a big waiting room

go fuck yourselves

see you tomorrow

PEACEI can feel the love in the air. Now let me retire as well to give my undivided attention to the square root of my nation.

Peace be unto you all

Visionz
10-04-2005, 12:18 AM
I read this whole thread, and it's sad to see what it deteriated down to. when discussing topics of this nature I think it's wise to look at things on a critical nature and not take the viewpoints expressed as a personal attack. to anybody reading this who went to school here in the states that's white. ask yourself about the supposed education you recieved growing up. All history classes teach things in a eurocentic viewpoint. if I am wrong on this I would ask for you to recall what you were taught about Africa outside of Egypt.......ok, now this raises a very important question, Was it desegregation or assimilation? it is not really desegragating if we as a society, deny blacks any real education about their own history before slavery. I wish i had my history books growing up, just to be able to say exactly what the ratio of european to africa history was given in the book itself This is just one in a matter of many critical issues to show that there is still a lot of work that needs to be done. To ask of all black people to just forget about it and move on simply isn't possible when the injustices surround us all in everything we do. we must correct our mistakes, not burry them. peace and respect to all

Wooly Noggins
10-04-2005, 12:41 AM
I read this whole thread, and it's sad to see what it deteriated down to. when discussing topics of this nature I think it's wise to look at things on a critical nature and not take the viewpoints expressed as a personal attack. to anybody reading this who went to school here in the states that's white. ask yourself about the supposed education you recieved growing up. All history classes teach things in a eurocentic viewpoint. if I am wrong on this I would ask for you to recall what you were taught about Africa outside of Egypt.......ok, now this raises a very important question, Was it desegregation or assimilation? it is not really desegragating if we as a society, deny blacks any real education about their own history before slavery. I wish i had my history books growing up, just to be able to say exactly what the ratio of european to africa history was given in the book itself This is just one in a matter of many critical issues to show that there is still a lot of work that needs to be done. To ask of all black people to just forget about it and move on simply isn't possible when the injustices surround us all in everything we do. we must correct our mistakes, not burry them. peace and respect to all ^Progress

and thats what i've been asking for throughout this thread "Understanding"
and compassion
Now we can build as brothers

and i truly feel that you are sincere with what you are saying here

Visionz
10-04-2005, 01:01 AM
I was working on getting to that level with 7el7 but he got banned before that happened, but I say that^ to all the white people who took offense to what was being said. It's important to acknowledge that shit has been fucked up for a long time. The shadow goverment is still trying to destabilize everything that has any sembalence of organization and progress. It is of the upmost importance that we give them exactly what they don't want, which is a unified and cohesive voice for the have-nots in this country and around the world. By saying that the past has nothing to do with you would only seem to guarentee that neither will the future. Educate yourself about what's going on in the world right now and in the recent past. There a lot they don't want you to know. Check the history on the Anglo-Iranian oil company circa 1953. Check the US's role in South America in the 80's. Check the US's role in the Iranian-Iraqi war, also in the 80's. Look at our system of education. There's a lot of work to be done.........peace to Wooly, i am here to build brother, it's a fucked up world but it don't have to stay that way.

Wooly Noggins
10-04-2005, 02:02 AM
I was working on getting to that level with 7el7 but he got banned before that happened, but I say that^ to all the white people who took offense to what was being said. It's important to acknowledge that shit has been fucked up for a long time. The shadow goverment is still trying to destabilize everything that has any sembalence of organization and progress. It is of the upmost importance that we give them exactly what they don't want, which is a unified and cohesive voice for the have-nots in this country and around the world. By saying that the past has nothing to do with you would only seem to guarentee that neither will the future. Educate yourself about what's going on in the world right now and in the recent past. There a lot they don't want you to know. Check the history on the Anglo-Iranian oil company circa 1953. Check the US's role in South America in the 80's. Check the US's role in the Iranian-Iraqi war, also in the 80's. Look at our system of education. There's a lot of work to be done.........peace to Wooly, i am here to build brother, it's a fucked up world but it don't have to stay that way.
how do you really feel when your surrounded by black men and women ?

Visionz
10-04-2005, 03:33 AM
Same as I do when i'm surronded by anyone else that isn't black, I'm talkative and I throw my two cents if I have anything to add to the conversation and if I can't add to, I ask questions. Besides my brothers, the groomsmen at my wedding is going to be my best man, who's black, a puerto rican, an asian, and a white guy. So I run with a pretty diverse group. I don't focus on color when choosing friends, cool is cool, nawmean. At the same time, I realize whats happening on a large scale. I kinda feel it in the air with everything that's going on that the world is at a breaking point. I just hope we walk the right path when it happens and I hope that i can make some kind of lasting contribution to swinging things in that direction.

How do you feel when you're surrounded by white men and women?

LHX
10-04-2005, 07:54 AM
thats right let it out i just found out today that your white like me LHX
hooraywhite as a black man who lost his melanin

LHX
10-04-2005, 07:59 AM
The shadow goverment is still trying to destabilize everything that has any sembalence of organization and progress. It is of the upmost importance that we give them exactly what they don't want, which is a unified and cohesive voice for the have-nots in this country and around the world. By saying that the past has nothing to do with you would only seem to guarentee that neither will the future. Educate yourself about what's going on in the world right now and in the recent past. There a lot they don't want you to know.
always with this mysterious 'they'

the 'shadow government'


isnt all this shit obvious now?

the past has nothing to do with it
this is the future

the only thing 'they' dont want you to know is that they are ignorant

Born Ruler I
10-04-2005, 09:27 AM
white as a black man who lost his melanin

He would still be a Black man. Just an albino.

One

LHX
10-04-2005, 09:30 AM
He would still be a Black man. Just an albino.

One
true

LHX
10-04-2005, 12:46 PM
after much consideration

if someone asks you to not bother them at all, your the type of person that would bother them just because they asked you not to ?

sounds demonic to me
and thanks for the lead
i got what i wanted out of it although it wasn't planned for you
it is clear that i got schooled

i apologized for disturbing this thread


i will be in the corner trying to get my head out of my ass

PEACE

Wooly Noggins
10-04-2005, 01:49 PM
How do you feel when you're surrounded by white men and women?

Like a Criminal

Eternally Forever
10-04-2005, 02:11 PM
Like a Criminal
Who's at fault?

TeknicelStylez
10-04-2005, 03:07 PM
It's all good while all you people consistently stay busy pointing fingers at eachother and they come and take everything from ALL of us, you're both gonna feel like idiots.

Black, white, shit don't matter, they just make it look that way so idiots like you can stay arguing with eachother.

Wooly Noggins
10-04-2005, 03:11 PM
It's all good while all you people consistently stay busy pointing fingers at eachother and they come and take everything from ALL of us, you're both gonna feel like idiots.

Black, white, shit don't matter, they just make it look that way so idiots like you can stay arguing with eachother.

you don't see whats going on here ?

Visionz
10-04-2005, 07:00 PM
the past has nothing to do with it
this is the future

LHX, were you already familiar with the things I was referencing? I think its untrue to say that none of things have any reprecussions that are taking place today, in fact they're everywhere. From the price at the pump to the massive numbers locked down in prison over drug charges, the shit is all over. peace

Wooly Noggins
10-04-2005, 07:15 PM
the past has nothing to do with it
this is the future

then why is christmas celebrated ?

the birth of jesus is said to have happened more than 2000 years ago

thats a long time but it still has a very big influence on our lifestyles and cultures

LHX
10-04-2005, 08:04 PM
the past has nothing to do with it
this is the future

LHX, were you already familiar with the things I was referencing? I think its untrue to say that none of things have any reprecussions that are taking place today, in fact they're everywhere. From the price at the pump to the massive numbers locked down in prison over drug charges, the shit is all over. peace
naw man

the past is nothing but a figment of the imagination

there is nothing that occurred in the past that two men can agree upon


two different points of view result in two different histories



the only thing we can agree upon is the process

cause and effect in a situation like this becomes something for which a proof is very elusive


i do agree with you that the shit is all over the place
but
i see this more as a result of the process than anything that somebody could say is the 'result' of a past event



it was mentioned earlier in this thread that another seal is broken every thousand years

the time is near at hand
and nothing that occurred in history could have been changed that would affect the future which is awaiting

its more like the future is pulling us

blackwisdom
10-04-2005, 08:45 PM
naw man

the past is nothing but a figment of the imagination

there is nothing that occurred in the past that two men can agree upon


two different points of view result in two different histories



the only thing we can agree upon is the process

cause and effect in a situation like this becomes something for which a proof is very elusive


i do agree with you that the shit is all over the place
but
i see this more as a result of the process than anything that somebody could say is the 'result' of a past event



it was mentioned earlier in this thread that another seal is broken every thousand years

the time is near at hand
and nothing that occurred in history could have been changed that would affect the future which is awaiting

its more like the future is pulling usI agree, and by using critical thinking we can forcast the future.

Take it easy

LHX
10-04-2005, 08:54 PM
I agree, and by using critical thinking we can forcast the future.

Take it easy
true

7EL7 nailed it on the head earlier in this thread

Wooly Noggins
10-04-2005, 08:55 PM
lol

a wolf in sheeps clothing

LHX
10-04-2005, 08:59 PM
learn from the best

LHX
10-04-2005, 09:09 PM
because the truth is that all of yall are in very big trouble right now

that shit says it all

living_undead
10-04-2005, 10:26 PM
the time is near at hand
and nothing that occurred in history could have been changed that would affect the future which is awaiting

its more like the future is pulling usyou don't think our actions now affect our futures? the past is important because we must look at it to learn how to change, adapt, in order to create a better future.

or are you saying that no matter what happened in the past, the future will be how it will be?

TeknicelStylez
10-04-2005, 11:29 PM
Can I ask you something?

Have any of you been stopped outside your house and thrown up against a police car with the excuse "We got a complaint, people calling in saying that you guys don't look like your from this part of town" In the white neighborhood? Than get accused for strong arming a kid on some street you never heard of for his sneakers?

Busted your ass all week at a temp agency for 5.25$ an hour and than get patted down and get your information taken down while your walking back from picking up your check?

Cause I have...

I seen cops plant 20 vials of cocaine on a 14 year old kid, my friends little brother, and they took him in. Than about 2 weeks later they planted cocaine, heroine, and a knife on his older brother and brought him in. A white kid bailed him out...

We all hispanic too, so any kid that say we don't got it as bad can go fuck themselves. And as for the situation here, it looks like its police bringin us down, not no other races, and the police is Black, Hispanic, White whatever... so yall can't tell me shit.

Visionz
10-04-2005, 11:41 PM
then why is christmas celebrated ?

the birth of jesus is said to have happened more than 2000 years ago

thats a long time but it still has a very big influence on our lifestyles and cultures


yo Wooly, you accidentally misquoted me on that one...that was LHX's statement I was quoting , not something I agree with.....but LHX back to what I was saying, it's all about cause and effect, our goverment is constantly out in the world fucking shit up on purpose and it happens regardless of who our president is. Check those references in that post this goes back to. You'd find that a lot of today's happenings were steered in that direction, not some natural events that were destined to happen.

Kephrem
10-05-2005, 01:01 AM
Eric, the so-called Christmas holiday and the birth of Jesus were never synonymous until centuries after Jesus, i.e. it's a day of worship that is more ancient then a 1st century figure.

Visionz
10-05-2005, 01:09 AM
yeah I know man, I'm not sure how to do the block quotes, so I just copy and paste to let people know what I'm saying is in reference to them, although it seems to cause more confusion than it's worth.peace

Wooly Noggins
10-05-2005, 01:18 AM
lol
you do know that jesus wasn't born on dec 25 right ?

Visionz
10-05-2005, 01:42 AM
yeah, I'm under the impression that the 25th was a pagan holiday involving the winter equinox that the Catholic church incorperated into their calender by claiming it was Jesus's birthday.

Wooly Noggins
10-05-2005, 01:43 AM
yeah, I'm under the impression that the 25th was a pagan holiday involving the winter equinox that the Catholic church incorperated into their calender by claiming it was Jesus's birthday.
had to clear that up for those just coming in

LHX
10-05-2005, 07:01 AM
but LHX back to what I was saying, it's all about cause and effect, our goverment is constantly out in the world fucking shit up on purpose and it happens regardless of who our president is. Check those references in that post this goes back to. You'd find that a lot of today's happenings were steered in that direction, not some natural events that were destined to happen.
yes

i agree

they appear to have been steered in a direction

from another point of view
it would suggest that due to the widespread ignorance
there would be no alternative



i said earlier in this thread that it is not possible for somebody
or a group of people
to control the world

i didnt say that with wishful thinking

i said that because it is physically impossible

it contradicts known laws of physics



what we are doing here is witnessing the result of a legacy of ignorance
and we are suffering the consequences of human societys retardation




again
it can all come down to the question of the individual:

do you see yourself as somebody who has been thrown into a situation and has to piece the puzzle together and then do something about it?

or

do you see yourself as an agent who has been sent during a time of change who has a role to carry out?



an injustice in one mans eyes
is nothing more than the state of affairs from another mans eyes

Visionz
10-05-2005, 07:16 AM
it would suggest that due to the widespread ignorance there would be no alternative


meaning that shit is def. gonna get fucked because of widespread ignorance? the alternative to ignorance is education, guess I simply refuse to believe shit has to be fucked-up. I think the people in power choose to make it that way and that it could all change if we simply refused to provide any power to that structure .

LHX
10-05-2005, 07:24 AM
meaning that shit is def. gonna get fucked because of widespread ignorance? the alternative to ignorance is education, guess I simply refuse to believe shit has to be fucked-up. I think the people in power choose to make it that way and that it could all change if we simply refused to provide any power to that structure .
you are in power

i just read what you wrote

dont underestimate your presence