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claaa7
03-25-2010, 01:32 PM
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01. "Criminology Pt. 2.5"
02. "Meth Vs. Chef II"
03. "Ya Moms (Skit)"
04. "Smooth Sailing (RMX)" (Ft. Solomon Childs & StreetLife)
05. "Our Dreams"
06. "Gunshowers" (Ft. Inspectah Deck & Sun God)
07. "Dangerous"
08. "Pimpin' Chip"
09. "How To Pay Rent (Skit)"
10. "Miranda"
11. "Youngstown Heist" (Ft. Trife, Sheek Louch & Bully)
12. "It's That Wu Shit"

jcsuffer
03-25-2010, 01:33 PM
smooth sailing is a remix to cappa for real tho

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DukZXmx_8-E

claaa7
03-25-2010, 01:34 PM
this shit is fucking NUTS, my head is nodding like crazy throughout every song. even previous throwaways like "Our Dreams" and "Criminology II" sounds fucking DOPE in context and properly mixed and mastered. this, "Ob4cl2" and "Chamber Music" is real QUALITY Wu-Tang releases!!

Jin10304
03-25-2010, 01:35 PM
Disappointed in the shortening of Crim 2.5, cant wait to hear Made Men

SHEEPISH LORD OF CHAOS
03-25-2010, 01:51 PM
I throw back the original criminalogy 2.5 back on there with rae's verse fuck that

JEM
03-25-2010, 01:58 PM
CRIMINOLOGY 2.5 (GHOST/MEF)

wtf? this should be called criminology 2.1!! what happened to rae's verse? and ghosts first verse?
incredibly shortened...but still dope..and actually..it doesnt get as played out this way..since weve had the original rae/ghost version for a while now 6.5/10

METH VS CHEF (RAE/MEF)

wu banga!! heard this already too..better quality then the leak...wouldve loved ghost to be on this!! But still..rae and mef killed.. (i didnt like one mef line about that capn crunch cereal tho :nonono:..just MO)
8.5/10

SMOOTH SAILING REMIX (GHOST/SOLOMON CHILDS/MEF/STREET LIFE)

heard this sample flipped a few times...but not as good as this!!
everybody repped hard..solomon sounds good on the hook
8.5/10

OUR DREAMS (GHOST/MEF/RAE)

first single..checked the video yesterday..dopeness..excep i think rza was real lazy with the loop..the transition from chorus-verse is choppy..but nonetheless ghost as usual destroys it..mef killed it!! nobody can flow like tical..and rae tops it off
8/10

GUNSHOWERS (MEF/GHOST/SUN GOD/INSPECTAH DECK)
suuuuuuuu!! this is vintage wu shit..high pitched soul beat.. mef flows on anything... holds the hook down too...ghost sounds hungry...the wally champ returns...sun god blends in nice...deck too..wish he'd go back to his sword style on forever tho..he has changed his alot
9/10

DANGEROUS (RAE/GHOST/MEF)

catchy beat..grimy but the horns sound kinda cheap and synthesized...rae does his usual...ghost murders it!!! puts these snitches on blast..mef does his thing..wish hed switch his flows up sometimes tho...no real complaints here tho..good track
7.5/10

PIMPIN CHIPP (GHOST)

nasty beat..nice horns..ghost on some story shit..solo track
8/10

MIRANDA (RAE/GHOST/MEF)

chilled out beat by allah math..rae first..vivid story dealin with them hoes..ghost on the same tip..mef with mad charisma..seamless track..one of the better trax on the album
9/10

YOUNGSTOWN HEIST (GHOST/TRIFE/SHEEK/BULLY)

gritty beat!! wish mef and rae were on this one...ghost's flow seems a bit choppy..trife held it down..and sheek and bully add nice flavour..basically describing a massacre
8/10

ITS THAT WU SHIT (GHOST/MEF)

dont like the beat at all!!! :nonono: hook is corny as fuck ewww..worst track on the album
5/10

the copy i have doesnt have made men..so cant leave a review but overall ill give the album (on first listen) 8/10

still coppin march 30th..i suggest you do the same

Dr Zayus
03-25-2010, 02:15 PM
They've butchered Criminology 2.5 almost beyond recognition. Don't know whose stupid fucking idea that was but the rest sounds good.

ShodaGWC
03-25-2010, 02:22 PM
Album is fuckin banging man!

SHEEPISH LORD OF CHAOS
03-25-2010, 04:34 PM
it's that wu shit has the dopeness I loved that sample I've heard it b4 in a movie b4 shit is tight as fuck, ghostface crushed it

and the tj swan sample that was also used in rahzel's title track off his debut album "make the music 2000"

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scram coulda did better with the sample but shit was fire to me I liked it, not everyone's beat still creativie none the less.

Dr. Simon Hurt
03-25-2010, 07:34 PM
it's that wu shit is one of the only really cool tracks on the album imo...the album's pretty good but it does sound rushed and some of the beats sound cheap to me, and it really is too short. wtf is going on with albums now...anyway, all three mcs are dope but they needed more songs together ...i mean youngstown heist is great but where's rae and meth? clearly that's just some track ghost had for a future solo album that he 'donated' to this project...but it is amazing how good they sound this deep into their careers
3.5/5 for me right now, but i probably need to get drunk as well as weeded to really enjoy it lol...i'll buy it mainly for the artwork lol

edit: oh ya...meth needs to put out a solo album asap, he's super-ridiculous on basically every track he's on...

theheavens
03-25-2010, 09:33 PM
Best MC: Ghostface

Best producer: Allah Mathematics

Best track: Youngstown Heist

make your own results. this album is great, might be better than Cuban Linx II simply because there's no fillers, even the skits are good. I know Rae could've made a bigger appearance, but he's got his solo album coming out later, so it's all good. Meth did a job with his high energy, even surpassing Rae. but Ghost owned the album. his solo track is awesome storytelling like only he can do.

the beats are great, overall, with Mathematics providing the most bangers. the lyrics are sharp as expected, even from the guests, though they could've been more consistent and...grittier. sometimes it felt like they forgot what they were rhyming about. and the title of the album is Wu-MASSACRE, so I expected some more harrowing stuff. but it's still hardcore. and as for the last track...yeah it sounds like something kanye west would produce, but it works. it's not as corny as people make it out to seem. and I wanna hear Made Men. will that be on the actual CD?

Lex Lugor
03-25-2010, 10:48 PM
okay now, who voted this thing a masterpiece lol the fact that yall are satisfied with that criminology beat sickens me. Rza didnt go with just plain loop for a reason, it just doesnt flow right, it didnt in nine five, it didnt when myself and about a million other people tried to re-sample that track between then and now, but :looking: w/e

Polocash7
03-29-2010, 09:58 PM
4/5. Too short And that Wu Shit could of been better. Other than that,its a dope LP. Will cop next week

portis24
03-29-2010, 10:40 PM
HIPHOP AND BS REVIEW

http://hiphopandbs.com/2010/03/album-review-wu-massacre-by-methghostrae/

CuzinBilly
03-30-2010, 10:44 AM
wu massacre feels like a ghostface album. a really good ghost album.

beautifulrock
03-30-2010, 11:57 AM
Rarely does an album come along, that's so good and easy to listen to, rather than switch to another after it's done, the best option is simply to replay it. That is the Wu-Massacre in a nutshell. A collection of rarefied bangers, some so old they contain Bush references, and some as new as the cold Ghostface got while performing them, but all way above par quick stabs and jabs, trimmed beautifully to just ten songs, two skits, and thirty minutes and six seconds of run time. It's the bare minimum to be considered a full length album, and they pulled it off by being thorough, "Half long, twice strong", to quote Mef. The complaints will be obvious and justifiable to the greedy fans who just came off a Raekwon opus that was over twice as long. Those same fans will be disappointed that Raekwon is actually cut from Criminology 2.5 and manages to land on only four tracks, while Mef gets on eight and Ghost gets nine including a solo cut. This is to be expected with Def Jam pulling the strings, with Rae not under contract, they want to pay him for as little as possible, in this hip hop era of bargain basement tactics. All rushes and corner cutting aside, however, these three emcees and their guests shined on each and every one of these tracks. The production is five star on each and every one of these tracks, even if the decision making might not be. It's not perfect, let's be clear, but it's pretty damn close.

The album opens with the Criminology sequel, Raekwon noticably absent, and although good, bares too much resemblence to the original. Next up, another sequel, bares little resemblence to the original. Mef vs. Chef 2 is less about battle than the original track on Tical, and more about braggadocious ranting and whining about the game. It still works, and the back and forth between Mef and Rae and transitioning drumrolls make it a really catchy listen. After a blast from the past, ya mama skit, an older track "Smooth Sailing Remix", is inexplicably titled because there is no original. RZA's only cut, the first video "Our Dreams" clears the way for arguably the three best songs on the album. The ear rattling "Gunshowers", the soulful "Dangerous", and the Ghost solo tribute "Pimpin' Chipp" are a tour de force and almost demand a rewind. After a hilarious Tracy Morgan skit, the album ends strong with the spicy "Miranda", and the sample driven "Youngstown Heist", then concludes with the experimental "It's That Wu Shit", which will quite obviously be seen as the worst track on the album due to it's edgy beat and overused interpolated hook.

Fans will be scratching their heads at the length, but they really should be thrilled that there is absolutely none of the shit filler that has usually accompanied Wu albums lately. Length does not define classic. The ability to listen to the entire album without skipping anything DOES. This is the comonality between every classic album of the past and the Wu-Massacre. Every beat is hot, every lyric top notch. So what's the problem?

Criminology 2.5
Mef vs Chef 2
Smooth Sailing Remix
Our Dreams
Gunshowers
Dangerous
Pimpin' Chipp
Miranda
Youngstown Heist
It's That Wu Shit

48/10 =

4.8 out of 5

angry!
03-30-2010, 12:45 PM
if im rating the 10 tracks, its 5 mics...

if im rating whats on the disc, im giving it 5 mics, cuz every track is krillz!!!!!!!!

it coulda been longer, i wish it was, but i have yet to skip a track while playing it, you slide it it in, press play and bob your head for 30 minutes!!!!!!!!!!

raw tape, hard as nails, not one bullshit verse or beat on the whole thing... + the packaging makes it a must cop!!!!!!!!!!

it might be short, but if i gotta grab 8 diagrams, wizard of poetry, 4:21, or this, im grabbing this every time!!!!!!!!!!! niggas is ODing off this tape around here, my nigga said he almost flipped his car hydo planing to "smooth sailing"!!!!!!!!!! crash your whip to this!!!!!!!!!!!!

DThayer36
03-30-2010, 01:12 PM
love this shit

mcfearson
03-30-2010, 01:15 PM
After an hour long solo effort from Deck. Wu-Massacre seems incomplete. I expected more. Tracks are o k. I guess you would have an hour and a half if you bought all three covers but FUCK THAT!

-The A to the Z-
03-30-2010, 03:59 PM
Very disposable.



Disappointed, and I didn't even have any expectations for the album.

racist randy
03-30-2010, 04:01 PM
I'm feeling this shit, I already want to hear more, If this is hot while it was rushed, imagine this shit when they actually have more time to go in...shit will be crazy..

Jin10304
03-30-2010, 04:08 PM
"because there is no original"

Of course there is, its a Cappadonna song remixed thats all.

theheavens
03-30-2010, 04:37 PM
got my copy today. feels good picking that shit up at the store, knowing it's the best new release. 30 mins of real hip-hop, no skips. not even the skits. bangin' beats with sharp lyrics, and a badass cover art

RynMur
03-30-2010, 07:06 PM
smooth sailing is a remix to cappa for real tho

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DukZXmx_8-E

that beat sounds bit from "Room With A View" by Brother Ali

iLLscan
03-30-2010, 10:59 PM
Very disposable.


Indeed..............

Konii blaze
03-31-2010, 07:06 AM
Face it this shit is garbage, this is not an album, just a compilation of leftovers

Konii blaze
03-31-2010, 07:07 AM
Best review I've seen on the web:

When the concept of Wu-Massacre (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002XT3PFI?ie=UTF8&tag=hihoistde-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B002XT3PFI) was announced last year, I shrieked like a little schoolgirl. What Wu stan wouldn't? A collaborative effort by three members of the Wu-Tang Clan, as opposed to yet another solo album? The posse cuts on the solo albums were typically the highlight anyway: the members of the Wu-Tang Clan sounded (mostly) good alone, but when combined with their brethren, it was akin to mixing chemicals and having the beaker explode with joy and/or spunk. So when I first heard that Method Man, Ghostface Killah, and Raekwon would be joining forces to battle the dark side, I was, obviously, excited. There was even an article where Ghost was quoted as saying that these three are not forming a new group, because they were already in the Clan, leading me to believe that Wu-Massacre (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002XT3PFI?ie=UTF8&tag=hihoistde-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B002XT3PFI) wouldn't betray the original intentions of the Wu: to take over the game using creativity instead of cliché.


Wu-Massacre (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002XT3PFI?ie=UTF8&tag=hihoistde-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B002XT3PFI) quickly jumped to the top of the list of Wu-Tang Clan projects that I actually wanted to hear. (Astute followers of HHID will notice that, as of this writing, I still haven't written about Ghost's Ghostdini: The Wizard of Poetry In Emerald City, the posthumous Ol' Dirty Bastard “album”, or Inspectah Deck's Manifesto. Just because I love the Wu doesn't mean that I need to go batshit crazy about every album, you know. I still haven't reviewed the first Afro Samurai soundtrack, either.)


And then the concerns started appearing.


First of all, Wu-Massacre (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002XT3PFI?ie=UTF8&tag=hihoistde-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B002XT3PFI) was going to be released on Def Jam Records, a label that (a) has had issues in the past with marketing Method Man and Ghostface Killah albums (Raekwon is essentially an A-list indie rapper), and (b) sucks balls today, with its emphasis on artists such as Rick Ross. But that was still workable, because Def Jam is still a major, and that just means that there may be more facings of Wu-Massacre (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002XT3PFI?ie=UTF8&tag=hihoistde-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B002XT3PFI) on store shelves at Best Buy. This could still work.


And then the tracklisting leaked. Wu-Massacre (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002XT3PFI?ie=UTF8&tag=hihoistde-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B002XT3PFI) only features twelve tracks, two of which are (what I assume as unnecessary) skits. Ten tracks total. Well, that isn't a big deal, right? Put our three hosts on every track, with the occasional guest (names such as Deck and (ugh, really?) Cappadonna were thrown about), and ten tracks could stretch out fairly easily. It's better to have Wu-Massacre (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002XT3PFI?ie=UTF8&tag=hihoistde-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B002XT3PFI) half short and twice strong, right? All killer, no filler?


When I read about who would be contributing beats to Wu-Massacre (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002XT3PFI?ie=UTF8&tag=hihoistde-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B002XT3PFI), a sinking feeling started to seep in, because the only person I actually wanted to see on the fucking album, The Rza, only handled the beat on one song. I realize that the guy is busy, but if music is his first love, one would think that Bobby Digital would have some extra instrumentals lying around in the lab that he could hand over to the guys he broke through with. But, sadly, even this is something I can work around: it isn't as if The Rza is known these days to handle an entire album that isn't his own.


Man, Wu stans can rationalize everything, can't they?


Excitement on the Interweb reached a boiling point when the album artwork leaked, as it is fucking badass. Comic book fans especially were thrown for a loop, as Wu-Massacre (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002XT3PFI?ie=UTF8&tag=hihoistde-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B002XT3PFI) now held the promise of being the comeback Wu-Tang Clan album that fans have been waiting for ever since the disappointing (to everyone else, maybe, but not me) 8 Diagrams dropped. Even with Def Jam leaking single after single to various blogs, I remained as amped up for Wu-Massacre (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002XT3PFI?ie=UTF8&tag=hihoistde-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B002XT3PFI) as I was for the Slaughterhouse album. There was no way that this album could be a complete fuck-up, right?


And then Wu-Massacre (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002XT3PFI?ie=UTF8&tag=hihoistde-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B002XT3PFI) rushed out of the faucet. And mixed in with the praise of Meth, Ghost, and Rae's latest opus were some very detailed criticisms of the project.


And then Method Man apologized for Wu-Massacre (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002XT3PFI?ie=UTF8&tag=hihoistde-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B002XT3PFI), saying that Def Jam rushed the final product (which is weird, since it was originally supposed to drop back in December but was pushed back to today) and that he, Ghost, and Rae didn't get to make the album that they wanted. Meth also told whoever would listen that there wasn't a time when all three rappers appeared in the same room together while creating Wu-Massacre (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002XT3PFI?ie=UTF8&tag=hihoistde-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B002XT3PFI), as they were all busy with other commitments (Rae, in particular, was too busy pimping Only Built 4 Cuban Linx...Pt. II). It was also revealed that our three hosts for the evening had nothing to do with the promotion for the album: the label took the reigns and handled it all, implying that they also had no input on the cool-as-fuck artwork and that Wu-Massacre (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002XT3PFI?ie=UTF8&tag=hihoistde-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B002XT3PFI), as a whole, was a Def Jam construct more so than an actual album.


Fuck.


1. CRIMINOLOGY 2.5
I remember when “Criminology 2” (or “Criminology '09”) first hit the Interweb as a way to promote Raekwon's last album Return To Relevancy. I even mentioned in the comment box (back when I still had one, before it just became ridiculous to maintain) that I was underwhelmed. Today, I still am, but the funny thing, is, this is an entirely different song. While there isn't any way to top the original (from Only Built 4 Cuban Linx...), a good effort would have, I don't know, actually included Raekwon, since it's his fucking song and all; instead, he appears to have gone A.W.O.L. on the very first track on Wu-Massacre (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002XT3PFI?ie=UTF8&tag=hihoistde-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B002XT3PFI). (Which is even weirder when you consider that Ghostface Killah is speaking directly to the Chef at the beginning of the track.) For the record, “Criminology '09” adhered very closely to its predecessor's formula, with BT's beat trying its best to not flat-out copy The Rza's handiwork, and the original “Criminology 2.5” that Def Jam leaked to Blogland was “Criminology '09” with a Method Man homage to the original track tacked onto the end: the version that actually made the final cut retains Meth's verse, erases Rae (that's right, regardless of how it reads on the back cover, the Chef fails to appear on this track), and alters Ghostface entirely: instead of his original contribution, his verse from Rae's “The Badlands” (a European bonus track from Return To Relevancy) opens the album instead. What the fuck? The fact that all three stars now fail to appear on the very first fucking song on Wu-Massacre (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002XT3PFI?ie=UTF8&tag=hihoistde-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B002XT3PFI) concerns me more than a little bit.


2. MEF VS. CHEF 2
For the most part, the Wu-Tang Clan don't do well with sequels. (I'm talking about sequels to individual songs, not album titles.) So kicking off Wu-Massacre (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002XT3PFI?ie=UTF8&tag=hihoistde-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B002XT3PFI) with two follow-up tracks is uncharacteristic at beat. The appeal of the first “Mef Vs. Chef” (from Tical) was the lyrical battle that sounded as though The Rza recorded the two participants inside an actual boxing ring, as Meth and Rae went toe to toe, bar for bar (at least, until Rae flubbed his lines and threw the fight, a curious goof that Meth included on the album anyway). The Mathematics beat doesn't even try to approximate Prince Rakeem, meaning that both artists (Ghostface Killah, seemingly upset that his name isn't in the title of the song, rightfully sits this one out) are stuck passing the mic back and forth over a truly shitty instrumental, rendering all of their rhymes inconsequential. So far, this album is making my soul cry.


3. YA MOMS SKIT
Entirely unnecessary. Oh, I get it: they're trying to recreate the feeling of listening to the skit that preceded “Method Man” on Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) for the first time. It just isn't funny.


4. SMOOTH SAILING REMIX (FEAT SOLOMON CHILDS & STREETLIFE)
After finishing the sandwich that he picked up from a street vendor during the last track, Ghost tags Raekwon out and spits over a Ty Fyffe instrumental that he sounds custom built for. I'm not sure where the original version of this song ended up, but this remix would have worked better has Solomon Childs been erased from the master tapes, since his chorus is altogether terrible. Meth's boy Streetlife, who makes his obligatory appearance because this is, in fact, a Method Man album in some fashion, also performs an embarrassing verse, attempting to drop the names of all of the Wu members in a clever way, coming across as a mentally retarded follower of The Game. Dude, you've been rhyming since Tical: there's no excuse for you to sound like a fucking rookie now.


5. OUR DREAMS
Finally, Wu-Massacre (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002XT3PFI?ie=UTF8&tag=hihoistde-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B002XT3PFI) supplies listeners with a song that features all three of our hosts: fittingly enough, this is where The Rza puts in his only work behind the boards, flipping Michael Jackson's “We're Almost There” (are MJ's younger recordings less expensive than his post-Off The Wall output? Would this song have even happened had Jackson not passed away last year? Who knows?) into what I believe is one of his most boring beats ever. (Some would call this the work of a more mature Wu-Tang Clan. To that I say: who in the hell wants to hear a more mature Wu-Tang Clan?) Ghost, Meth, and Rae all mesh with the dull instrumental fairly effortlessly, though, so that counts for something. But this shit did absolutely nothing for me. Okay, I lied: the video for this song actually made me laugh, as its homage to David Fincher's Seven (which still holds up, by the way) has absolutely nothing to do with the subject matter.


6. GUNSHOWERS (FEAT INSPECTAH DECK & SUN GOD)
Digem's awkward, intermittent beat might have worked for a hungry mixtape rapper, but not for these established veterans. Rae takes yet another nap (I hope he gets his narcolepsy treated very soon, as I'm getting worried for his well-being) while Meth channels the late Russell Jones on the hook. Ghostface Killah suffers through a cold or something: his verse sounds as though it was performed by Cappadonna. Sun God tries yet again to earn his father's respect, but Ghost pays no attention, of course, because he was nursing the sniffles. In a shocking turn of events, Inspectah Deck atones for the crappy The Resident Patient 2 by actually sounding decent. But when you do okay work on a shitty song, does anybody ever truly hear it?


7. DANGEROUS
Right now, I'm upset that all of the tracks Def Jam leaked to the Interweb from Wu-Massacre (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002XT3PFI?ie=UTF8&tag=hihoistde-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B002XT3PFI) implied that Meth, Ghost, and Rae would appear on every song. I'm considering filing a lawsuit against Def Jam for false advertising. It would be one thing if this was a Method Man solo album “featuring Ghostface Killah and Raekwon”, but they all share equal billing, so what the hell, man? Anyway, this song is pretty awful. Apparently, the Wu-Tang Clan that I've grown up with has been badgered into recording material that the label thought would result in more sales, regardless of how well they fit into the Wu canon. Suckers! Nobody buys Wu-Tang Clan albums in 2010!


8. PIMPIN' CHIPP
In what is a bad sign for the trio but a good look for fans of Ghostface Killah, Tony Starks rides for dolo on yet another of his patented storytelling film treatment raps, one that doesn't sound quite as good as his past work, but is still quite enjoyable, as it probably would have fit in well on The Big Doe Rehab. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to discover that Wu-Massacre (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002XT3PFI?ie=UTF8&tag=hihoistde-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B002XT3PFI) was made up solely of outtakes from the solo albums of our three hosts. The coda on here threw me off, but the tale itself was alright.


9. HOW TO PAY RENT SKIT (FEAT TRACY MORGAN)
What the fuck?


10. MIRANDA
This sounds as though it was dropped from the final tracklisting of Only Built 4 Cuban Linx...Pt. II. The Mathematics piano loop does not grow annoying over time, and Rae, Ghost, and Meth all shoot the shit about women (or possibly the same girl). This was actually pretty ill: easily the best song on Wu-Massacre (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002XT3PFI?ie=UTF8&tag=hihoistde-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B002XT3PFI) thus far. Hell, this will probably end up being the best song overall, seeing as though there are only two songs left.


11. YOUNGSTOWN HEIST (FEAT TRIFE DA GOD, SHEEK LOUCH, & BULLY)
In what is probably another leftover from a Ghost solo project, Pretty Toney leaves Method Man and Raekwon stranded on the side of the highway while his friends from the old neighborhood plan a robbery. There's nothing inherently wrong with this track, aside from the fact that it betrays the concept of Wu-Massacre (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002XT3PFI?ie=UTF8&tag=hihoistde-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B002XT3PFI): in fact, I found it kind of entertaining. I'm led to believe that a collaborative effort between Ghostface Killah and The Lox may prove more fruitful, relevant, and profitable than this album, though. Come on, you know you two have thought of the same idea before.


12. IT'S THAT WU SHIT
Wu-Massacre (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002XT3PFI?ie=UTF8&tag=hihoistde-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B002XT3PFI) ends abruptly not with a posse cut or a sound bite from a kung-fu flick, but with a track that sounds the least like a Wu-Tang Clan song in the group's lengthy history. Ghost and Meth attempt to throw listeners some lyrical darts, but end up cowering in fear behind the oppressive Scram Jones regime of a beat. I believe that there is no worse way for this album to have ended, and I've listened to a lot of garbage because of this blog. I actually feel betrayed.


THE LAST WORD: What the fuck have I just suffered through? When Method Man, Ghostface Killah, and Raekwon announced their Wu-Massacre (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002XT3PFI?ie=UTF8&tag=hihoistde-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B002XT3PFI) project last year, I admit my expectations may have been raised artificially higher than they should have been (I was still riding the high from Raekwon's comeback project), but the only thing that these three manage to massacre is the idea that anybody in the Wu-Tang Clan is still capable of recording a quality piece of work. Almost every single song on Wu-Massacre (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002XT3PFI?ie=UTF8&tag=hihoistde-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B002XT3PFI) fucking sucks: every track sounds as though it was patched together in a hurry (which, admittedly, they were), as though Def Jam was putting together a mixtape to advertise a future joint album between these three, but no, this is the actual final product, and man, is it fucking disappointing. Having an “album” of this magnitude come in at less than thirty minutes in length is very fucking questionable. The idea of limiting yourself to only ten tracks is admirable only if most of the songs click. It seems that Def Jam put more thought into the (awesome) album artwork than it did the actual music on the plastic disc within the jewel case. Raekwon only appears on four out of twelve tracks: that may prove to be the smartest move he has made in his entire career. The brunt of this travesty is handled by Ghostface (nine tracks) and Method Man (eight tracks), which makes sense when you consider that these two are actual Def Jam employees, but they clearly were not entirely focused on what they were doing. Wu-Tang Clan fans will snatch this up anyway, but I'm here to warn you that you will not enjoy it. (Remember, nobody purchases albums just so they can have the artwork.) All Wu-Massacre (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002XT3PFI?ie=UTF8&tag=hihoistde-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B002XT3PFI) has done is piss me off. All I can hope is that Rae, Meth, and Ghost atone for their misdeeds very soon, preferably on an indie label that won't fucking rush the product.


I realize that a large number of music critics are jumping aboard the Wu-Massacre (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002XT3PFI?ie=UTF8&tag=hihoistde-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B002XT3PFI) bandwagon, possibly in an attempt to trick consumers into actively supporting artists who actually deserve the attention. While that is an admirable reason, and while I would love to see Wu-Massacre (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002XT3PFI?ie=UTF8&tag=hihoistde-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B002XT3PFI) move more than one million units (as it may convince Def Jam to release more of these type of projects), I can't recommend that you two actively seek this album, as the path will lead only to sadness. Sigh.


WISHFUL THINKING: Since we've seen the worst of what the Wu has to offer, the next logical step would be to try this concept again, but this time with Inspectah Deck, Masta Killa, and Gza/Genius. Not only would a collaboration between these three be easier to pull off (none of them are signed with a major anymore), it could also reignite interest in the unsung heroes of the Clan (yeah, I'm merely including Deck in that category because of his past work and not his current output). They could even use the Three The Hard Way crew moniker that Meth, Ghost, and Rae were going to originally call themselves. If they take their time and hire quality producers (I'm realistic, so not every track needs to be handled by The Rza, but the Clan's leader should do more than just one fucking track) and convince the other group members to stop by and drop a verse or two, they could create a companion piece to Wu-Massacre (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002XT3PFI?ie=UTF8&tag=hihoistde-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B002XT3PFI) that could eradicate the memory of what I just listened to and reinvent the Wu-Tang Clan at the same time. Just a thought, fellas.

portis24
03-31-2010, 09:02 AM
^that's the worst review i've seen

beautifulrock
03-31-2010, 11:11 AM
That person hasn't the slightest clue how to write. That was like reading a grocery list, pure agony.

racist randy
03-31-2010, 11:14 AM
Somebody Find 3 LEGIT reasons this album is wack.... I don't wanna hear shit about "Time", or none of that other non-important shit...Nobody has legit reason to why they say the album is wack

Konii blaze
03-31-2010, 02:44 PM
Somebody Find 3 LEGIT reasons this album is wack.... I don't wanna hear shit about "Time", or none of that other non-important shit...Nobody has legit reason to why they say the album is wack

THis is not an album just a compilation of leftovers
You can't call 30 minutes of rap music an album
15 Dollars/Euros for 30 minutes that's like 50 cent per minutes lol

Konii blaze
03-31-2010, 02:45 PM
By the way yeah time is important to most non wu stans

racist randy
03-31-2010, 03:01 PM
THis is not an album just a compilation of leftovers
You can't call 30 minutes of rap music an album
15 Dollars/Euros for 30 minutes that's like 50 cent per minutes lol

Just proved me right...
Compilation of Leftovers????? Nahh
Time complaints......
Bullshit money excuse, mines costs 10.59 U.S. dollars
You're Euro

LOL

Jin10304
03-31-2010, 04:20 PM
1. Our Dreams Beat
2. Not having Raekwon on more tracks
3. Not including Made Men
4. Omitting Raekwon & Ghostfaces original verse on Criminology Part 2.5

J-DON
03-31-2010, 05:42 PM
Wu-Massacre

1.Criminology 2.5 - 7/10 - the fact that I heard criminology 2 a while ago depreciates the value of this track beatwise but nonetheless Meth and Ghost drop great verses. The track suffers from the lack of a Rae verse too.

2.Meth vs Chef 2 - 8/10 - The beat is epic but I didnt find one line that really made me say "oh shit!"

3.Ya Moms Skit --/10 ... I love that loop, the "skit" loop from 36 chambers.

4. Smooth Sailing Remix -9/10- Wheres the original? Anyways Pete rocks beat here is incredible and everybody sounds great on it. I think Streetlife steals the show.

5. Our Dreams - 7/10 - It disappointed me when I first heard it but it has grown on me. The alicia keys version was better though.

6.Gunshowers - 5/10 - The beat is very repetetive and annoying after the first few minutes which kills the song for me. Its a song that should have been an interlude that was maybe 1 verse long.

7.Dangerous - 7/10 - The beat is average. The hook is grating. The verses are good but unspectacular.

8.Pimpin Chip -10/10- Perfect Ghostface solo track. Beat is powerful soulful and funky and moves the narrative along and lyrics wise its Ghost doing what he does best.

9.How To Pay Rent --/10

10. Miranda -9/10- Great track, no complaints.

11. Youngstown Heist -10/10- Another superior track. Love the way the story moves from rapper to rapper and the beat is great.

12. Wu Shit -4/10- What the fuck?



OVERALL: 7/10

What should have been a great album barely qualifies as an album in length and was obviously half-assed, phoned in, and rushed. On the good sides the tracks are for the most part pretty decent to bangers. But considering this is a major label album The mastering is seriously inconsistent on both the vocals and the beats. The record is a half hour and we STILL have a few throwaway tracks. The mixtape level of quality and effort is apparent. If a few more months was put into this album it could have been something great but instead its just passable. Its still Ghost, Rae, and Meth spitting as we would expect but shoddy production values and a painfully short length make this album a bit underwhelming.


Some of you will say "you should be grateful that they actually put this out and did something" but they might as well have saved these tracks for solo albums that they would have put more effort into or just put a few more months into it and made it awesome. They should do another wu-tang album or try this combination again but take their time with it because this could have potentially been amazing.

Shaolin's Finest
03-31-2010, 07:13 PM
Meth , Ghost , Rae are on fire ! Real good WU album! it's a bit short tho.. but all the tracks are good.

racist randy
03-31-2010, 08:07 PM
1. Our Dreams Beat
2. Not having Raekwon on more tracks
3. Not including Made Men
4. Omitting Raekwon & Ghostfaces original verse on Criminology Part 2.5
this is why an WHOLE album is wack? again you have proved me right. NON Legit excuses from ya'll...

theheavens
03-31-2010, 09:39 PM
people are being too picky about this album. find me another 2010 hip-hop release with no fillers. the only album this year that might surpass this one is Vinnie Paz's solo debut

Dr Zayus
04-01-2010, 12:21 AM
Overall it's a great little album. I've got got a small criticism and it's essentially the opposite of what other people are saying. They needed to release this as an EP. Don't get me wrong, I think most of the songs are great. There's actually no filler. But can you imagine an EP coming out of nowhere, just 6 fantastic songs? The rest of the songs would have made their way onto one album or another (from the sound of them probably Ghost's next one) but if they just kept the Allah Math beats, Wu Shit and Our Dreams it would have been the best placeholder of all time.

It's not a big thing though. Awesome album.

Jin10304
04-01-2010, 12:34 AM
"Wheres the original? Anyways Pete rocks beat here is incredible and everybody sounds great on it. I think Streetlife steals the show."

The original is a Cappadonna song called 4 Real Though, and Pete Rock didnt produce Smooth Sailing it was Ty Fyffe

Rollo
04-01-2010, 12:57 AM
Too short, too patchy, Ghostface ruined gunshowers for me, trying to shout instead of rap, having bars that didn't flow, rolling over the beat like a dried up turd down a bumpy hill...

Wu shit bleh
Fuck criminology 2.5
Dangerous, I wasn't feeling....

The rest was dope or at least decent..
It's a 5.5 outta 10 for me. Though the tracks I like were really good.

Konii blaze
04-01-2010, 04:33 AM
this is why an WHOLE album is wack? again you have proved me right. NON Legit excuses from ya'll...

1. A lot of wack beats ( Our dreams, Gunshowers, I't's that wu shit, Criminology etc.. )
2. The length of the "only" 10 tracks
3. The lack of Raekwon
4. E-mailed verses, no cohésion
5. The last track is horrible, no posse cut to finish
6. The " album" doesn't flow like a real album because it's not a real album
7. Interludes are miserable
8. It's not a "massacre" at all, tracks are mostly soft
etc. etc.

racist randy
04-01-2010, 10:44 AM
lol I could really care less, I enjoy it and thats all that matters..

Fright
04-01-2010, 11:23 AM
Miranda is some dope shit, i love that loop! best song on the LP

beautifulrock
04-01-2010, 12:22 PM
1. A lot of wack beats ( Our dreams, Gunshowers, I't's that wu shit, Criminology etc.. )

Somebody shoot this motherfucker in the fucking head.

Konii blaze
04-01-2010, 03:26 PM
I enjoy it and thats all that matters..

True true

Konii blaze
04-01-2010, 03:27 PM
double post

Konii blaze
04-01-2010, 03:29 PM
Somebody shoot this motherfucker in the fucking head.

cuban linx 2 beats are great
those beats not TO ME AND TO A LOT OF GUYS ASIDE THIS FORUM

portis24
04-02-2010, 07:33 AM
http://www.hiphopsite.com/2010/04/02/method-man-ghostface-killah-raekwon-wu-massacre-12/

theheavens
04-02-2010, 12:30 PM
http://www.hiphopsite.com/2010/04/02/method-man-ghostface-killah-raekwon-wu-massacre-12/

great review. and I didn't think about it before, but maybe they should've included kung-fu samples in there

RynMur
04-02-2010, 08:37 PM
check my review at nappyafro...
http://www.nappyafro.com/2010/04/02/meth-ghost-raewu-massacre-2/

Top 5: Mef vs. Chef 2, Smooth Sailing Remix, Pimpin' Chipp, Miranda, Youngstown Heist (fav)

Grade: (4/5) A-

BISHOP BLOODSHOT
04-04-2010, 01:35 PM
This album is the typical bullshit i couldn't wait to stop listening too. I liked it better the first time i heard it at yolands house.

paperb24
04-06-2010, 08:27 PM
anything past the W is garbage sorry to say i was such a hard core wu fan but all this new material i can't even stand to listen to all there older work was so original and classic, i could play tracks over and over all day and not get tired of them, they would hype me up. but now even 3 seconds of any of the new shit I'm like wat the fuck is this? I just think that from 36 to cuban linx to return to the 36 to wu forever was just the era that would never happen again the music was so great and thriving. I just don't think i will ever buy another wu cd again anybody feel the same way?

racist randy
04-06-2010, 08:31 PM
anything past the W is garbage sorry to say i was such a hard core wu fan but all this new material i can't even stand to listen to all there older work was so original and classic, i could play tracks over and over all day and not get tired of them, they would hype me up. but now even 3 seconds of any of the new shit I'm like wat the fuck is this? I just think that from 36 to cuban linx to return to the 36 to wu forever was just the era that would never happen again the music was so great and thriving. I just don't think i will ever buy another wu cd again anybody feel the same way?
So you signed up to say this? If you don't like the new shit then don't listen to it. Plain & Simple no disrespect intended..

RynMur
04-06-2010, 11:05 PM
anything past the W is garbage sorry to say i was such a hard core wu fan but all this new material i can't even stand to listen to all there older work was so original and classic, i could play tracks over and over all day and not get tired of them, they would hype me up. but now even 3 seconds of any of the new shit I'm like wat the fuck is this? I just think that from 36 to cuban linx to return to the 36 to wu forever was just the era that would never happen again the music was so great and thriving. I just don't think i will ever buy another wu cd again anybody feel the same way?

no

ballistic
04-12-2010, 12:12 AM
yes, yes, obviously it could've been better...but sometimes i wonder why people can't just be happy with what they get, given that the product isn't putrid in the first place. wu-massacre is good for what it is, which is a CD that def jam threw together in light of the success CLII just had...i've been riding around banging this album non-stop because it's actually pretty sick. method man gives us quality verses consistently, ghostface supplies his usual juiciness and raekwon, in his limited appearances, is on point. why is everyone saying the RZA track our dreams is wack? again, for what it is it's ill...laid-back melodic track with all 3 MCs kickin smooth lyrics. its that wu shit is one of my favorite tracks too, its like an 80s-style beat, different and unexpected, and i'm feelin meth & ghost on there. wu fans are always too prepared to explode into histrionics about how horrible wu-tang is now and how they miss the glory days etc etc...c'mon yall, it's not that serious! just enjoy the music and look forward to the next wu release...appreciate that there are even still MCs out there like meth ghost & rae...
with all that said, i hope the trio can put together a more consistent, thought-out record if they come out with a sequel, it would definitely be worth it...a high-octane album from meth ghost & rae would be insane. meanwhile, i'll be enjoying the massacre...

Jin10304
04-12-2010, 12:40 AM
"why is everyone saying the RZA track our dreams is wack? again, for what it is it's ill...laid-back melodic track with all 3 MCs kickin smooth lyrics"

Because it is, not feelin the MJ sample and the transition is horrible and its coming from the RZA of all people. I cant even believe he was making Our Dreams originally for the 6th Wu album

ballistic
04-12-2010, 01:56 PM
to each his own i guess...i'm def feelin that track simply from an organic standpoint...i know that in this super-digital age of hip-hop there's an expectation that production has to be technically advanced to be impressive...RZA didnt come up with an orchestra for that track, he just put something simple together, which i think is effective...i'm diggin the MJ sample too

KLAP
04-13-2010, 02:54 AM
anything past the W is garbage sorry to say i was such a hard core wu fan but all this new material i can't even stand to listen to all there older work was so original and classic, i could play tracks over and over all day and not get tired of them, they would hype me up. but now even 3 seconds of any of the new shit I'm like wat the fuck is this? I just think that from 36 to cuban linx to return to the 36 to wu forever was just the era that would never happen again the music was so great and thriving. I just don't think i will ever buy another wu cd again anybody feel the same way?



Hell NO!!!! And it's a shame you feel that way brotha!! Im sayin Im 33... Been a WU fan since 93.... Wu was in a diff time then we all were... Im mad gratful for them years all them classics WU dropped.... and Im happy there still puttin out real HipHop today.... I mean WU been droppin real raw HipHop for almost 20 years yamean!!!!!

KLAP
04-13-2010, 02:59 AM
Rza did a nice job with "our dreams" I don't see how people frontin on that track or anything off the "Wu Massacre".... for them to still be puttin out quality HipHop in 2010 is a bonus 4real!!!!!!!!

Longbongcilvaringz
04-13-2010, 03:49 AM
Played this album more than anything from the wu in the last few years except maybe Chamber Music.

Some really good tunes on it, and i can play it through all the way every time.

It's a bit of shame it wasn't extended by a couple of tracks, but then again, maybe that would have ruined the consistency of the album.

8/10 or Wu Banga i guess.

ballistic
04-13-2010, 12:26 PM
Rza did a nice job with "our dreams" I don't see how people frontin on that track or anything off the "Wu Massacre".... for them to still be puttin out quality HipHop in 2010 is a bonus 4real!!!!!!!!

exactula

Dr. Simon Hurt
04-13-2010, 01:20 PM
Played this album more than anything from the wu in the last few years except maybe Chamber Music.

Some really good tunes on it, and i can play it through all the way every time.

It's a bit of shame it wasn't extended by a couple of tracks, but then again, maybe that would have ruined the consistency of the album.

8/10 or Wu Banga i guess.


This is one of the better wu albums of recent years but I feel like it's very inconsistent, and the lack of tracks featuring all three mcs really hurts the album in my opinion,and the verses from streetlife, solomon, sheek, and bully are all clumsy and clutter the album. Also, the production ranges from good to awful, and there are really no standout cuts from a production standpoint with the possible exception of 'it's that wu shit'.

It's ok, and i honestly haven't given it that many spins since i got it, and i tend to skip around a lot, maybe listening to four or five tracks, as some of them like criminology and gunshowers and our dreams just get boring after a while.

3/5---good

beautifulrock
04-13-2010, 01:45 PM
^^^stop pretending you like Wu-Tang

Dr. Simon Hurt
04-13-2010, 02:15 PM
^lol...so sad.

beautifulrock
04-13-2010, 02:26 PM
The Wu-Massacre isn't even an album where you "need" to skip around a lot. It's a half hour. Are you saying that your attention span is that short, that you can't make it through a lousy half hour? Yea, I'm the pathetic one. Go read a comic book you fairy.

Dr. Simon Hurt
04-13-2010, 02:34 PM
^^you're pathetic for reasons that are completely obvious to anyone that's read your posts.

I explained that I feel there are some tracks that I've grown bored with and skip now. Your insults are trite and boring.

I'm sorry that it hurts your feelings that I don't give every wu-tang song 5/5. I really wish you weren't so weak mentally and emotionally, but we should both just accept it and move on.

beautifulrock
04-13-2010, 02:39 PM
Every time you respond you assume that I am somehow emotionally affected by you. Freud would say that makes you the emotional one. Look how fast you become hostile and resort to corny old internet tactics. I'm just pointing out the obvious here. The songs are 3 minutes long. Just let the shit run kid.

Dr. Simon Hurt
04-13-2010, 02:51 PM
^^^lol

i implore you not to turn this thread into an unreadable trainwreck filled with increasingly unfunny insults like you normally do. think of the children.

to keep it on topic: what did you think of the album, huh? loved it, right? 30 minutes of uncut raw pumping through your speakers, yeah?

beautifulrock
04-13-2010, 02:59 PM
At least i bothered to listen to it.

Dr. Simon Hurt
04-13-2010, 05:48 PM
At least i bothered to listen to it.

http://cdn.fd.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/sandler-baby-funnypeople.jpg

beautifulrock
04-13-2010, 10:31 PM
Pandemic (http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/member.php?u=1174)
I's betta din all y'all


^^^Example of self righteous, self aggrandizing idiot.

Hénri
04-16-2010, 07:10 PM
You guys made me have the worst expectations for this album.

battle?
04-17-2010, 04:48 PM
^^^lol

i implore you not to turn this thread into an unreadable trainwreck filled with increasingly unfunny insults like you normally do. think of the children.

to keep it on topic: what did you think of the album, huh? loved it, right? 30 minutes of uncut raw pumping through your speakers, yeah?


lmfao ..rep'd

New-Yorks-Finest
04-17-2010, 05:13 PM
def a wu banga, shit had my bobbin my head the whole album but not classic material

claaa7
04-18-2010, 07:28 AM
real dope little mini-album that i've been playing quite alot recently. the artwork and promotion for the LP is nothing short of incredible but the music does sound rushed. 30 minutes (including 2 skits) from the first collaborative effort from the 3 most prolific members in Wu-Tang Clan is way too short no matter what some stans will have you believe. especially since they easily could've filled it out with "Made Men", "Our Dreams (Remix)" and the original "Criminology 2.5".

still there's plenty of good material on here to satisfie us Wu headz, shit bangs hard all the way through. Allah Mathematic's deliver some of his best beats in a long, long while imo.. it might be like 5 years since he impressed me b4 this lol. Rae should have been on this alot more too but Ghost and Method Man holds this shit down NICE. it's hard to pick the MVP between them.

7.5/10

dret.izm
04-18-2010, 07:42 AM
8/10. has more many more ups than downs. been playing the album almost every day since it came out. wu banga for sure!

sickdog
04-18-2010, 10:23 AM
wu banga! 8+/10

INF
04-20-2010, 03:29 PM
9th person to vote masterpiece here




Just copped my wax today.I didnt get the cover I wanted but once I opened the album I wasnt even trippin. I got a full size copy of each individual cover as a pack-in. some comic strip is on the page that has the credits. Vinyl feels almost 180 grams. Sounds great compared to the mp3 leak I been bumpin till now.


I dont care what anybody says this is an ILL WU product!!!! Well worth the money spent. I almost didnt wanna take it out the plastic.

hotnikks
04-22-2010, 09:30 AM
I gave it a couple of listens definitely a Wu banger. But it felt like Meth and Ghost outshined Rae throughout the whole album.

INF
04-23-2010, 07:24 PM
man...

I have went from Gunshowers being my favorite to Miranda and now Im stuck on Our Dreams.


This album really gives back.seriously.

racist randy
04-23-2010, 08:08 PM
Hollow Dartz Review:

1. Criminology 2.5
I wasn't really feeling this track on the Raekwon Mixtape, but I think it sounds better on here for some reason, I always liked the beat on here. Ghost re-used verse from Badlands is kind of a letdown though, and since Ghost "Quarterback-ed" the album i'm pretty sure this was his idea. Anyways Method Man gives new life to this track, I like how he pays homage to Raekwon's original Criminology verse on here if anyone noticed his lines, he brings that energy on here. I'm not gonna lie Raekwon's verse was dry, I'm glad it was taken off of here. Pretty solid track indeed. 4/5

2. Meth vs. Chef Pt. II
I'm feeling this right here, it took some time to grow on me really, but it did and I'm feeling this. Raekwon starts off by warming up, Meth comes in on here hungry and they get better & better with every verse they spit on here, you can really hear them going at it on this one. I think it's definitely a Tie on this one. Meth took Pt. I without a doubt though. 4/5

3. Ya Moms (skit)

4. Smooth Sailing (Remix)
I'm feeling this beat right here this shit goes hard in the whip, Ghost opens up strong on this one his opening lines gets me hyped every time I hear them, he shows that his dartz are still sharp on this one, Solomon Childs on the hook is always a plus in my book. Method Man is nice as fuck on here he sounds like he wants his title back or something which I love on here, he has many quotables on this album without a doubt. Streetlife brings it home with his verse, I wasn't too hyped with it a first, but it grew on me and I love how he mixed in the generals with his verse, straight raw. 4.5/5

5. Our Dreams
I love how everyone hated this song when the producer was unknown and then when it was found out to be Rza everyone was feeling this....clown ass niggaz. Anyways I'm feeling the Mj sample on here, I love the beat when they start rhyming, as far as verses go on here i'mma go with Raekwon>Ghost>Meth. Meth could've came better on here especially this being the single and all, Ghost delivers heat on this shit, reminds me of some Fishscale type shit and Raekwon is a smooth criminal on this one. Rza on the beat this is a solid one. 4/5

6. Gunshowers
When I first heard this in the car, i think i played this one all the way until i got home, this shit bangs hard in the whip without a doubt. This beat is a headbanger forreal im surprised others aren't freestyling off this one yet. Method Man opens this one up good with more quoteables on here and he supplies a good hood on here too. Ghost's voice on here is sore but he still manages to come through with a solid verse, Sun God goes in on this one, this is the best I've heard from him yet he flows on this beat real well, Inspectah Deck brings it home nicely, I like how he Ab-Libs his last word in every line in his verse, it gives the verse an extra push. Anyways this is my top 3 on the album. 4.5/5

7. Dangerous
This is my number one track on this album, Raekwon just goes in on here and he is fly as fuck on this song, Mathematics beat is on point & they all lyrically come correct on here. Ghostface is dissing the hell out of clown niggaz (NOT T.I. so shut the fuck up). Method Man brings this one home real well I must add, one of my favorite verses on this album, his flow and lyrics are just there on this song. 4.5/5

8. Pimpin Chipp
Classic Ghostface Killah storytelling right here, good beat to match it. That's about it. 4/5

9. How To pay Rent (Skit)

10. Miranda
Nice ass beat on this one Mathematics supplied heat on this album for real. His last good beat i liked was "Everything" on Meth's 4:21 album. But anyways, Raekwon definitely has the best verse on here the visual is crazy, in fact too crazy i have to blurr out some parts cause he goes in on this for sure. Ghostface voice is sore again which takes away .5 point from this song, he could've waited or something, it would've sounded better with him at 100% definitely. Method Man brings it home with a pretty solid verse. 4.5/5

11. Youngstown Heist
Another dope track, sounds like a Big Doe Rehab throwaway I must add. Anyways this beat is nice by Scram Jones and Trife, Sheek & Bully all play their part on this track and bring it to life. 4/5

12. It's That Wu Shit
I don't know why niggaz is hating on this one, I like this track right here, the beat is dope to me, I blast this in the whip at least 5 times a day. Scram did his thing with this beat, Method Man killed his verse, that shit was nice for no reason I quote that shit every time I hear this. I am Disappointed with Ghostface on here though his Dartz should've been WAY sharper on here, alot of predictable lines on this one, he still came through though "I'm a don, rebel outta Staten Island projects.......I dare ya'll to come to my projects!!!!!!" 3.5/5

Beats - 4/5
Lyrics - 4/5
Overall - 4/5

This is pretty solid album or whatever you want to call it. I'm very glad to add this to my Wu-tang collection. All three members delivered on here, Beats were pretty solid, Mathematics surprised me on this one, Scram Jones & Rza came through with bangers on this one. A little more "Meth, Ghost & Rae" songs would've been nice and More Raekwon would've definitely been nice, but this was rushed by Def Jam and not those three so you can't get mad at them. If this was a solid album rushed, imagine a project with these guys in the studio vibing and going in.....Wu-Corp. would still complain anyways...****Overall 4/5****

INF
04-24-2010, 12:01 AM
yo u better rate that skit.hahahah NAW I O U REP THO.

theheavens
04-24-2010, 10:49 PM
my only complaint is that they should've used the original 4-minute version of Criminology with the Scarface sample, and Pete Rock's Smooth Sailing beat, not the stupid remix

hotnikks
04-27-2010, 09:44 AM
gunshowers is fuckin heavy sons! Im lovin this track

Tony Kipriani
04-28-2010, 06:53 AM
LP, Shirt, Poster
dope Album!
only Track i don't like is "It's That Wu Shit"

http://www.abload.de/img/wuprmv.jpg

YO YO YO
05-03-2010, 08:39 AM
prob been discussed before but how in the hell did rae not get a verse on "It's That Wu Shit"? vs1/2 ghost, vs3 meth.. would have been dope to have been ghost/rae/meth.. meth kills it!. would have capped the EP off nicely.

theDZA
05-03-2010, 12:07 PM
^ co-sign

Wu-Massacre suprised me, it was alot better then i thought it would be

ima give it a 4/5, i would give higher if it was a little bit longer, as length is only dissapointing thing imo

but still, dope release!

the insignificant
05-11-2010, 10:54 PM
good without being great

Don Universo
05-28-2010, 03:27 PM
Definate banger...4.5/5

Medasto
05-29-2010, 05:48 AM
Definite banger that had the potential to be a masterpiece.

pmack215
05-30-2010, 03:15 PM
this album is insanely disappointing. FUCK DEF JAM!!!!! the album screams "I WAS RUSHED IN 10 MIN.".
an opportunity like this... bringing together 3 of the top MC's in the game, not to mention WU cats.. u just dont fuck around w/ that kind of opportunity. and i actually blame meth, GFK & rae mostly. yeah rae & meth voiced displeasure at the way DJ handled it, but they should never have signed off on a 'final' version.

meth killed it lyrically.
ghost was ghost (dopeness runs thru his veins, not blood.).
not nearly enough rae.
i think the mixing & mastering was done by "warren" (cameron diaz's retarded brother in 'something about mary').
it was not worth my $15!!!!!!!!!!

i'm as big a WU fan as their is, but i aint co-signing this. i refuse to support garbage. and for those that actually think this album is "dope", in my opinion you're encouraging them to keep a low standard.

WU to me used to mean "wayyyyy better than anyone else".

theheavens
06-21-2010, 07:59 PM
I just noticed this entire album is filled with punch-you-in-the-face tracks. our dreams is the only time it slows down. it needed some more mellow tracks

viewtiful_alan
06-26-2010, 05:40 PM
Only complaint: Not enough tracks with the three of them together. These guys really are a classic hip-hop team, but most of the ongs have AT MOST two of them at a time. It almost feels like they culled alot of the tracks from jut random recording sessions.
Really good album that could have been really great.

Jin10304
06-27-2010, 06:24 AM
/\ The 3 of them were not down for the idea of a WHOLE album with just them on tracks as a trio, it was a corny idea for them. Crim 2.5, Dangerous, Miranda & Ant Acids mix to Our Dreams are plenty, you cant ask for a whole album of New Wu

Mack
08-21-2010, 09:43 AM
Dissapointing. Rushed. Not cohesive. Youngstown Heist the only good track. Havent Listened to the album since release.

claaa7
08-24-2010, 07:34 AM
the months have passed and the "Wu Massacre" album, one of the releases i looked the most forward to, have rarely been getting spins. i think all-in-all i've played it about 10 times since i received it... it's not that the music is wack because it is not but the project feels horribly rushed and there's several things about it that just makes me scratch my head. why the hell would they cut off Raekwon from "Criminology II" as well as Ghost's first verse, or why the fuck did they leave a banger like "Made Men" on the cutting floor - especially considering the length of the retail album/ep.

every time i play this on the mp3-player i use the full version of "Criminology 2.5" with Rae, Meth and Ghost, as well as including "Made Men" at the end and omitting the skits. but even with these changes the album lack replay value and many real stand-out moments which is suprising since these 3 guys is amongst my favorite rappers of all time. Raekwon isn't on enough songs but every time he drops by he has a dope verse; Meth is on it a little more and he is straight KILLING IT, wheter it be a verse or the hook (Mr. Mef is still Wu's nr. 1 hook guy, no question) but at the end of the day "Wu-Massacre" is a Ghostface show. besides "Meth vs. Chef Pt. II" and "Made Men", Starks is all over this joint, and that's hard to complain about since he's still an incredible MC whenever he wants as evident on the raw pimp tales displayed on "Pimpin' Chipp" or his furious verbal attack on (?)Shyheim(?) on "Dangerous" - both his verses on "Criminology 2.5" is worth a mention too, no doubt.

the production doesn't hold any suprises exactly, the producers have gone for a safe approach lacing the 3 Wu rappers with their take on "the classic Wu sound". alot of heavy tracks with booming drums and sped-up soul samples is the foundation here and while pretty much all the beats are good, they are predictable and not on the level RZA, Kanye, Just Blaze or Pete Rock would've delivered resulting in low replay value. i must admit that Allah Mathematics's contributions, who haven't impressed me much at all in the last decade, are all really dope and the best on the entire album. "Meth vs. Chef Pt. 2", "Dangerous", "Miranda" and "Made Men" all keep true to the Wu sound without feeling uninspired or too predictable. suprisingly, the only chill-out song comes from RZA himself who's lone contribution to the album gets Rae, Meth and Ghost to talk to their respective girls over a sweet Michael Jackson sample. it's a summer 'feel good' vibe type of track and it's much needed on the otherwise amped, adrenaline/testosterone oozing album (as someone said every song sounds like it tries to be a single).

At the end of the day, the whole thing is a pretty frustrating story considering a collaboration album of this caliber on a label of Def Jam's caliber (meaning there should've been alot of money in the budget for good producers, etc) should result in a classic or at least a truly great album. while "Wu Massacre" has a few great moments, and most of it is listenable/good, it's an album that's quickly forgotten besides one of the greatest covers hip-hop has seen in a good while.

3/5

beautifulrock
08-24-2010, 08:19 AM
ugh.

DUMBO
08-24-2010, 08:21 AM
the mcs were on point but again without rza or more wu elements the sound is not fitting.

Tony Bandana
08-26-2010, 10:18 AM
dope record. love it other then its seems likke an E.P other then that ...top notch .

DrBold241
08-26-2010, 01:58 PM
shit was rushed and it's painfully obvious.
Though it serves as a great EP..... but just that, an EP.
When it's being priced as an LP.
Which is some bullshit.
But the two tracks that undoubtedly show it's worth- Gunshowers & Wu-Shit.
Both of those are FUCKING FFFFFIIIIIIIRRRRRRREEEEEE.
Rest of it is alright. Nothing Special.

Holocaust
03-03-2011, 11:08 PM
man this is still in heavy rotation with me. Criminology 2.5 does its job, Gunshowers is a 10/10, my only complaint is the useless first skit, and they could have through a U-God appearance on here, meth just does not sound inspired anymore. RZA came through with Our Dreams which holds this LP together. I wish we could get a volume two with MK,U-God, and RZA, I'd buy that the first day, then volume three could be Gza,Deck, and Don King. I feel Ghost's pain though, he had to carry this cd, rae was putting other shyt together, and meth could've have came way better than this, I think his input has been off the most since we lost dirt, he better not repeat this performance, and street lifes verse was wack, bring on fes taylor though

THE W
03-13-2011, 09:16 PM
criminology 2.5 8/10
meth vs chef 2 10/10
smooth sailing 6/10
our dreams 5/10
gunshowers 10/10
dangerous 5/10
pimpin chip 6/10
miranda 10/10
youngstown heist 6.5/10
its that wu shit 6.5/10

**made men 10/10

Socrates92
03-14-2011, 09:06 PM
I bump Criminology 2.5 almost daily, I think that's a very good track, they all come hard.

silent_whistler_uk
03-15-2011, 12:32 PM
wu massacre 2.5/5

CharlesJones
06-11-2011, 09:40 AM
Wack album because of the beats.