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Eternally Forever
10-04-2005, 03:06 PM
Do you feel that people from Africa that have settled in America in the past decade feel more accepted by white society than those who have grown up in an urban black setting?

100pr00f
10-04-2005, 03:14 PM
mmmproly not.....

i had some that went to school and the afa's were making fun of him couse the way he talks the way he looks how much darker he hi

damn

i think some of the africans dont get no respect from all races here
thats from what i have seen ...i dont have a prob wit them
im white

i think they have more respect then the ones born here couse they got nothing to hate on as much as the the afas born in the usa

couse of slavery

Eternally Forever
10-04-2005, 03:45 PM
I don't think that slavery can become the deciding factor in this situation because the people that move here from Africa are aware of racial discrepancies before they come here.

What I'm really trying to piece together is that it's no longer slavery that is the issue here. It's acceptance and the importance of self worth. We all already know that it's been a really long struggle for the blacks in America to get ahead but we see it happening before us and that can only foreshadow what to expect in the future. Those that are settling here from Africa haven't lived in the same situation as those who have descended here for generations. I personally feel that those comings from Africa are accepted the same as any other immigrant from any other country (Which racism is a world thing in America so that isn't saying much.). They have a different culture and a different set of views that even differs to an extent from the blacks who have been living here in America. Can't this be the start of a realization that blacks have been stereotype in America for their brutality as a direct result of slavery and segregation. Whites can't be blamed fully but they were the immediate cause. Here we had a culture that was living in the land of the free without freedom and then without acceptance. They had to lose pieces of their heritage whiles trying to maintain it all the same. The black culture today is already (being that only 12% of the population is black) taken over and were seeing more point of views and more history and curiosity from the young white generation. Those that are coming here from Africa are coming for a better life just like anyone else that has migrated to America. Most of those that come from Africa are educated or dedicated workers seeking further advancement here, they have strong goals and hope. I think they feel different from blacks already living here because this is understood from the white population and whites are intrigued by those who walk a different life. Today though it's a different story because the children of blacks have better means to attain and achieve the same goals that whites are which creates a whole new set of boundaries that whites can't deny which ends up ruling out racial stereotypes in general.

Wooly Noggins
10-04-2005, 04:21 PM
black people in america don't know how to treat people

when brothers from africa come here they get treated like shit

same with mexicans, black people in cali treat mexicans like a disease

Born Ruler I
10-05-2005, 09:39 AM
Wait a minute.

You have to put everything in the proper context.

Afrikans from various countries are bombarded with MTV and Cops. They only see the WORST of what Black people in Amerikkka have to offer. And when they come here they are greeted by US reps who tell them to stay away from Black Amerikkkans because we are 'lazy criminals.' Every friend I have from the continent has said the same thing.

And Black people her- ALL people her in Amerikkka- are bombarded by Afrikan images of famine, rain forests (jungles), third world conditions, scantily clothed indigenous people, and terrorists. We do not see the beautiful cities and the modern society that most Afrikan nations truly exist as.

So misinformation is directed both ways and the result is distrust and prejudice based on propoganda.

That is the reality.

One

LORD NOSE
11-22-2012, 04:42 PM
good question

LORD NOSE
02-15-2013, 12:35 PM
up

diggy
02-15-2013, 11:00 PM
Different views.

View - The ability to see something or to be seen from a particular place.

We have different views because we are looking at things from different places, even though we might be looking at the same thing...

LORD NOSE
02-17-2013, 09:26 AM
Why do you think our view is so fragmented like it is ?


Is it possible that we had more of a collective, harmonious view a few centuries ago before T.V. And Radio ?

diggy
02-17-2013, 04:09 PM
I don't see it as fragmented. I see it as colored. Colored by the subjective.

I'm not sure we had a collected "view". Maybe collective enculturation.

TV programming & radio broadcasting are just some tools used to enculturate. We could learn from them what is right and what is wrong, who is in power and who is the social outcast, who should we love and hate, etc.

A few hundred yrs ago we had sayings, and stories, and myths.

LORD NOSE
02-17-2013, 05:40 PM
I don't see it as fragmented. I see it as colored. Colored by the subjective.

can you explain the difference ?


I'm not sure we had a collected "view". Maybe collective enculturation.

i'm saying we most likely moved as one more so back in the day.
perhaps laws and restrictions put on us didn't allow for us to explore ourselves as individuals like we do today


TV programming & radio broadcasting are just some tools used to enculturate.

who is distributing these tools and what are they making them out of ?

it used to be the powers that be moving what we see and hear through these mediums

today, it's us who were molded and shaped by the powers that be that moves what we see fit to the eyes and ears of the masses

We could learn from them what is right and what is wrong, who is in power and who is the social outcast, who should we love and hate, etc.

sounds like old world tactics


A few hundred yrs ago we had sayings, and stories, and myths.


statues, and wall pictures.
today we have adobe flash

diggy
02-17-2013, 06:25 PM
can you explain the difference ?

The innability to see what a thing is and not color it by what we think it is - prejudgements.


i'm saying we most likely moved as one more so back in the day.
perhaps laws and restrictions put on us didn't allow for us to explore ourselves as individuals like we do today

Was this moving as one because of wanting to go in the same direction willingly, or did ostracism, shunning, and threats, play a role.

LORD NOSE
02-17-2013, 07:39 PM
The innability to see what a thing is and not color it by what we think it is - prejudgements.

as fragments ourselves, we can only see a portion of what a thing is - what we think it is, is a reality for us - and if we have power and control over this thing, it will eventually be molded more into what we have in mind



what we are seeing may not be incorrect, it just may be the potential of a thing.


to some people you may be tall, to others, you may be short, but what are you in reality ?




Was this moving as one because of wanting to go in the same direction willingly, or did ostracism, shunning, and threats, play a role.


we moved as one because we had less power as individuals - because real work was required in order for one to eat/survive -

today, and individual can buy his way - artificial power - brought about so that the weakest among us can rule for a set time.

LORD NOSE
02-17-2013, 07:41 PM
Originally Posted by FMJ
Was this moving as one because of wanting to go in the same direction willingly,


we moved as one because one man can till but so much land by himself





" or did ostracism, shunning, and threats, play a role."

this part ^ i didn't understand

diggy
02-17-2013, 08:53 PM
Difference is sometimes unwelcome. A person who wants to be different by not following the group and doing there own thing in could be looked down upon. To keep people in line, threats could be made explicit and implicit about the negative effect of leaving the group.

LORD NOSE
02-18-2013, 05:36 AM
Deep was just thinking something similar a few days back.

When we needed high advice and or medicine for something serious, we went to our medicine men/ women or our wise men/women.
And we had to take a long journey outside of our camps to get to them.

Why this was so, hit me shortly after that thought. Will build more on it later when I'm in front of a PC.

diggy
02-18-2013, 12:53 PM
Medicine men are typically accused of being in league with satan so they were killed. They had different explanations for why things happened and what to do about it. This means they are not part of the group (when the group believes in something different).

LORD NOSE
02-18-2013, 06:33 PM
Medicine men are typically accused of being in league with satan so they were killed.

in what tribes ?

killed by who ?

satan ?

doesn't sound like us

They had different explanations for why things happened and what to do about it. This means they are not part of the group (when the group believes in something different).


the group recognized these people as sages/wise men

they were outside of the camp because in order for wisdom to ferment, you have to make mistakes and experiment with that which the rest of the camp isn't bold or strong enough to deal with - they weren't ostracized or disrespected by the camp - and they didn't need to be among us in those stages that made them somewhat dangerous - these people had to become stronger than the poison that was on their land

diggy
02-18-2013, 10:14 PM
Few months ago, in a part in Africa, some of those types were burned til dead. Not everybody likes those types. They usually do this stuff in secret. The secret arts. These beliefs are not state sanctioned so they gotta hide. It is called the "occult" for a reason.

LORD NOSE
02-19-2013, 03:37 AM
perhaps western influence got them all spooked out enough to burn them up

i'm talking about respected sages and wisemen who are....i mean were put to use to help advance their tribes

diggy
02-19-2013, 12:26 PM
Could you give some examples?

LORD NOSE
02-19-2013, 12:37 PM
how ?


these people today are simply put into insane asylums or they get on crack

or they just wind up not giving a fuck anymore and end up stabbin the shit outa someone

RADIOACTIVE MAN
03-01-2013, 10:46 AM
Wait a minute.

You have to put everything in the proper context.

Afrikans from various countries are bombarded with MTV and Cops. They only see the WORST of what Black people in Amerikkka have to offer. And when they come here they are greeted by US reps who tell them to stay away from Black Amerikkkans because we are 'lazy criminals.' Every friend I have from the continent has said the same

That is the reality.

One

Those Africans who told u that LIED to u bro..they probably were playing on your limited views on the mindset of Africans when it comes to African Americans ..they do that a lot..they understand black people in this country have a very lost perception of Africans, they understand that a lot of blacks in this country see Africans as backwards poor people from third world countries who aren't on their level and like wooly said,in turn treat them like shit so they play on that to their advantage and make you feel like your view on them or their view on you was something they were programmed to preconceive when they first stepped foot here

take it from an African like myself

RADIOACTIVE MAN
03-01-2013, 10:52 AM
Also let me clear something else, the American media's portrayal of America in Africa is 90% never negative, and that includes how they potray African Americans, they try to pot ray this utopia where everyone lives in harmony,where's there's justice, where you can walk in and become and instant success without trying too hard, they rarely show the real truth about the Americas..the poor here, the struggles, the racism,police brutality etc..most people in Africa grow up watching feel good American shows with value and have a very twisted perception of America..it's this kind of propaganda that attracts them to come here in the first place till the see the reality of this country for what it is..that's why the average African, when he makes a bit of cash,leaves and returns home when he realizes this place isn't like the Cosby show or Beverly hills, the irony is..the media here depicts Africa as this wasteland of starving people who's infrastructure is mainly mud huts and primitive which is one of the biggest non facts there is..I can't tell u how many times they show Africa and I see pretentious Americans getting emotional and pitiful talking about "how can people live like this, we gotta help them" etc and I laugh

diggy
03-01-2013, 12:55 PM
Propaganda