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36chambers
10-04-2005, 08:11 PM
To all those who are fasting right now through Ramadam, goodluck to you all. Must be really tough.

Can someone explain to me what goes on between Fasting such as, how long it lasts for and when you can eat and other details, I heard you cant brush your teeth with toothpaste either, as that has flavouring in. Please post. Im very intreagued.

I have a couple of friends fasting right now so i respect people that do. I just want to find out more about it, and i coudnt think of a better place to come! :)

Peace.

Wooly Noggins
10-04-2005, 08:14 PM
no food or water is to enter the mouth from SUNrise to SUNset

some people are fanatical about it some are not
but it does cleanse the mind and soul

if done correctly it can make you look better too

your skin will be clearer you'll think clearer and move faster

fasting truly works wonders




















here are some words on fasting


How to Eat to Live, Book One


Why and How We Fast in December

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1 I have chosen (for quite a few years) the month of December for my followers to fast as in the month of Ramadan. It serves as a sign that we (the Lost and Found Nation) are the end of all signs pertaining to the pilgrimage and fasting in the month of Ramadan.

2 We fast the 12th month of the Christian year to relieve ourselves of having once worshipped that month as the month in which Jesus was born. It is now known and agreed upon by the scholars and scientists of religion that nothing of the kind took place 2,000 years ago. Jesus was born, not in the month of December , but rather -- as God has revealed it and according to the season that history claims existed in that time -- the first or second week in September.

3 The Christians have made holidays which are used mostly for commercialization. They buy wine, whiskey and beer and fatten up pigs and hogs for the kill and roast this divinely-prohibited flesh to celebrate what the Christians call the birthday of the Son of Mary. Jesus condemned such things as drunkenness and the eating of swine flesh.

4 Nimrod was an enemy of God and one who came in the last 300 years of the 2,000 years of Moses. He led the white man against the laws of Moses and worship Allah. He (Nimrod) wanted them to worship idols and that which was other than God (as they did in ancient Rome).

5 Let us, my followers, remember the right way. Waste not your earnings in such ways as worshipping and feasting as the Christians do. They only say and do not. They have taken for themselves the profit of God and the place of God.

6 In this month of fasting we shall keep our minds and hearts clean, and we shall not indulge in the eating of meats (land meats). You may eat fish and such fat products which come from land animals such as butter and cheese.

7 In this month, we should keep our minds on Allah, Who came in the Person of Master Fard Muhammad: my God and your God and my Saviour and Deliverer and your Saviour and Deliverer to Whom be praises forever for giving us life after our mental death for the past 400 years.

8 During this month, eat before day and after the sun goes down (if you wish) but not during the daylight hours. This also goes for drinking; drink whatever you are going to drink either before dawn or after dark. The eating before dawn is for those of us who love to eat breakfast in the mornings. But if you eat one meal a day, you may eat that meal either before dawn or after dark. It is better for your health, however, to eat one meal after dark.

9 Keep up prayer, and let us all be grateful to Allah for His coming in the Person of Master Fard Muhammad throughout the month of December and every month. And during this month, let there be no quarreling or disputing in our homes or abroad.

36chambers
10-04-2005, 08:43 PM
that was an interesting read.

Is it true you cant brush your teeth with toothpaste while your in Ramadam? As its kinda similar to eating as it has flavourings in.

Wooly Noggins
10-04-2005, 08:51 PM
for some it is true

if you wanna use toothpaste use it before SUNrise

born invincible
10-04-2005, 11:23 PM
damn thats crazy.. i didnt know all that. only thing i really knew about ramadan is we got bombed more frequently during that time period when i was in iraq.... not to sound ignorant but thats all i knew....

knewcheeze
10-04-2005, 11:29 PM
PEACE
the best fast for beginners is a juice fast......buy a whole bunch of organic juices and waters and just stop eating.......you gonna do your body a big favor......

Kephrem
10-04-2005, 11:47 PM
To all those who are fasting right now through Ramadam, goodluck to you all. Must be really tough.

Can someone explain to me what goes on between Fasting such as, how long it lasts for and when you can eat and other details, I heard you cant brush your teeth with toothpaste either, as that has flavouring in. Please post. Im very intreagued.

I have a couple of friends fasting right now so i respect people that do. I just want to find out more about it, and i coudnt think of a better place to come!


The fasting of Ramadan is that particular religions method of fasting. Fasting from sunrise to sunset to me is someone just not eating for half the day. Some people say that drinking nothing but water or natural juices is a form of fasting, which I don't agree with. I've fasted many times in the past. The best fast in my opinion to increase ones spiritual/mental fortitude is not eating or drinking anything for 24 hours at a time and reflecting on spiritual matters. (prayer, meditation, study, etc.)

Peace

SubtleEnergies
10-05-2005, 12:00 AM
Just for a point of interest. Some Buddhist monks only eat one small meal a day ALL the time. And when those Buddhists fast its insane....I saw on this show before this thing called the "Monk Killer" (sounds like a killer bee haha) where they go in a cave and don't eat, sleep, drink for like a week.

Also in one of Elijah Muhammed's book's I have I remember him saying to eat once every two or three days or something. I know it would be good....but to someone like me it's a scary thought. I eat like every hour lol. I am aware of the benefits and disadvantages of what I do.

SubtleEnergies
10-05-2005, 12:01 AM
My spouse is currently fasting. Which means we aren't having any contact for a month :(

Wooly Noggins
10-05-2005, 12:26 AM
How To Eat To Live, Book Two


FASTING

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1 There is so much food of various kinds in the earth for us to eat we could hardly mention by names.

2 We are the wisest of all life on earth and in the heavens above the earth. Almighty God, Allah, in the Person of Master Fard Muhammad, to Whom Praise is due forever, has taught me. We must have regularity in everything we do.

3 SINCE THE earth is full of food, this does not mean we should try to eat the food all day long. We should eat one meal a day and when we eat this one meal, be sure it is of the best food for our bodies to digest and to keep us alive without our lives being agitated by enemies from the food and drinks we put in our bodies.

4 We have to safeguard our health against the enemies of our health by eating one meal a day. This gives an enemy (germ) that may be in our food time to die - to be completely dead at the end of twenty-four hours.

5 IF WE KEEP adding more food, it gives the germ strength and working power to destroy the very delicate and perfect machinery of our bodies. By nature, we are made of the best. And, we have to continue to give our bodies the best and in a moderate way.

6 Fasting is one of the greatest "doctors" we have. Fasting is prescribed for us in the Holy

Qur-an and in the Bible. The Bible does not teach us as much of how good fasting is health-wise, as the Holy Qur-an does.

7 THE BIBLE’S teaching on fasting is mostly spiritual purposes. On one occasion, we find where Moses fasted for the cure of his sister, Miriam, who had contracted leprosy because of speaking carelessly of Moses. Her brother (Moses) then had to seek a cure from God for her.











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8 But fasting, as Allah prescribed for us, is to prolong our lives with better health by eating the right food and not eating too frequently.

9 FASTING DOES much for us. A three-day fast will tell the story - you feel better; your body begins to feel lighter and not weighty as it felt when it was filled with food; your thinking is clearer.

10 Let us fast as often as we feel that we have not a desire for food. If you do not desire food, do not eat it. Eat when you are very hungry (of course, this does not apply to the sick, because the sick are exempt from fasting).

11 When fasting is practiced for good, good results will follow. But, if we fast, as the Bible mentions in Isaiah, just for debate, our fast is no good. The Bible teaches that the facts of people who go out and tell others that "I had a dream" and then call dreams, visions, are not accepted.

12 SOME PEOPLE tell stories about something they accomplish on the fast that they did not accomplish. The Bible answers such a person in these words; If you dream a dream, tell a dream and do not try to tell a dream for a vision from the Lord, when you did not get such a vision.

13 We must remember that we cannot be "holier than thou," unless we are really holy. So, let us say of ourselves what we really are and not what we are not because it is good in the eye sight of God for us to speak the truth.

14 FAST! It cleans the impurities out of the blood and causes the body to eliminate the poison stored in it from previous meals - sometimes from previous meals of many years, as the folds in our intestines can carry particles of food for a long time, and holds strength enough in them to keep us alive for two months. Our bodies store food in the folds of the intestines and in the blood stream.










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15 After a fast of three days - and from that to nine days - these particles of food and poison that have accumulated will be eliminated. The blood is being cleansed of its impurities because the impurities have nothing to keep them in power to live; therefore, they die and leave the person happy and enjoying the results of a healthy body - which is the greatest enjoyment we can have.

16 WE ARE TAUGHT...and all religions teach fasting...so that includes us too. Of course, as long as we are in the Presence of God, we do not have to fast. But, we are not always in His Presence. In the Hereafter when all people will receive rewards of goodness who see the Hereafter, there will be no fasting.

17 WE, THE RIGHTEOUS, must fast as long as we are present and among the unrighteous. So, fasting is prescribed for us as well as those (people) before us. Let us look at the verse in the Holy Qur’an 2:183 translated by Maulana Muhammad Ali (copyright-1963): O you who believe, fasting is prescribed for you, as it is prescribed for those before you, so that you may guard against evil." Here it tells us why fasting is prescribed for us. It guards us against doing evil. Read the footnote of Maulana Muhammad Ali’s translation of this chapter for footnote. No.225.

18 WE HERE (Elijah Muhammad and his Followers)...I prescribe for you the month of December to fast in - if you are able to take the fast - instead of the regular month that travels through the year, called Ramadan by the Muslims; the month in which they say Muhammad received the Holy Qur’an.

19 WHY DID I prescribe for you the month of December? It is because it was in this month that you used to worship a dead prophet by the name of Jesus. And, it was the month that you wasted your money and wealth to worship the 25th day of this month, December, as the Christians do. The Christians know that it is not the birthday of Jesus; for they do not know the birthday of Jesus. No one knows it, because being persecuted by the Jews, Joseph and Mary feared the death of not only their newborn baby that they were bringing to birth, but even feared for their own lives for committing the act out of wedlock. They feared Herod and his army and the religious set of the Jews condemning them to be punished with death. But, they were not to be killed for they were for a sign of the Black Man in America, according to the Holy Qur-an. See Holy Qur-an, Chapter 4:171.

20 While Christians have deceived you in worshiping the birthday of Nimrod who was born the 25th day of that month, no man knows the day Jesus was born, but they (Joseph and Mary) themselves. This is a sign right there; no man of the evil world was to know when the spiritual birth of Muhammad was to take place. And, surely they do not know. So, do not fast as the other religious people fast, for they have different objects and ways in which they fast, which are against the meaningful fasts that we take.

21 FASTING takes away evil desires. Fasting takes from us filthy desires. Fasting takes from us the desire to do evil against self and our brothers and sisters. We are created of the material of goodness. Therefore, good belongs to us...and it should not be hard for us to turn to our own selves in which we were created...good.
















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22 WE are approaching the month of December, in which we usually abstain from eating in the daylight hours, as the Orthodox Muslims do, the ninth (9th) month of their calendar, the month of Ramadan.

23 I set up this for you and me, to try to drive out of us the old white slavemaster’s worship of a false birthday (December 25th) of Jesus.

24 ALLAH (God) Who Came in the Person of Master Fard Muhammad, to Whom Praises are due forever, Taught me, that Jesus was not even born during the entire month of December.

25 THE scholars agree, that according to their history, Jesus could not have been born in December.

26 ALLAH (God) Taught me that Jesus was born between the first and second week in September, instead of December. But no one knew the day of Jesus’ birth except Joseph and Mary.

25 BECAUSE of the Jews’ hot persecution against the birth of Jesus, the exact day of his birth was kept a secret, from the public. So, to break my people up from the worship of a false birthday of Jesus, we turned to abstaining from eating in the daylight hours during the month of December. This is, in no way, a FAST!

26 WHEN we abstain from food for so short a time as for early morning until after sundown and darkness begins to appear - we cannot call this a FAST, for we are eating the same way that we have always been eating (one meal in that day). IT is no FAST to me and to my followers to eat a meal after Sunday. We cannot call it a FAST!

27 A FAST should be from two (2) to three (3) days without eating food. If we are seeking spiritual advancement, we should fast for three days.

28 IN the case of Orthodox Muslims worshipping Ramadan by not eating until after sunset, and darkness approaches (they can eat all night long if they want to, until the next morning at dawn) - they call this a FAST!












29 THEY say that they do this in the Month of Ramadan because Ramadan is the month in which the Holy Qur-an was revealed to Muhammad.

30 BUT, the way that I understand scripture, it teaches us that Muhammad received the Holy Qur-an over a period of twenty-three (23) years.

31 MUHAMMAD did not receive the Holy Qur-an in one night or in one day. And, if he received the whole Holy Qur’an in the month of Ramadan, WHY FAST in that month?

32 IF we are given what we want (Holy Qur’an) in that month, without FASTING, I cannot understand why we should FAST in the month of Ramadan, for the first revelation of the Holy Qur’an was already given in that month, without FASTING.

33 IT would look more proper for us to be rejoicing over the great salvation (Holy Qur’an) that Allah (God) sent to us, in the month of Ramadan.

34 If you can convince me it is necessary to Fast in the month of Ramadan because of Muhammad receiving the Holy Qur-an, or the first revelation of the Holy Qur-an, then I will go along with it. However, since the Qur-an was received over a period of years, I am very much baffled in trying to understand why we should FAST in the month of Ramadan.

35 WE should be rejoicing because of receiving the Holy Qur’an and we should teach others to rejoice throughout the month of Ramadan, if it is because the Holy Qur’an was revealed in that month.
































36 OF COURSE, this is the Arab way, in their religious belief, that they should FAST. But I do say that it is not necessary to FAST to get something that you have already received.

37 WE should all thank Allah and be grateful to Allah (God) for Giving us the truth, or the Great Revelation (Holy Qur’an), that will guide us into a clearer truth than we have had in the past.

38 SO, I am not asking my followers to FAST in the month of December because of the birth of a prophet (Jesus) nor do we want to worship his birth or worship because some great Revelation was sent down to another prophet. No, it is just to keep my followers from worshipping falsehood, instead of truth, and to prevent them from spending their money in the falsehood of Santa Claus.

39 There are so many untruths that the people of untruth (white race) have mislead us in. We must come out of untruth, we must come out of falsehood.

40 I do know that FASTING is good. I have tried FASTING for many years myself. I do know that FASTING is good for our health and FASTING is good for our spiritual advancement.

41 IT is actually good for us to take a FAST and abstain from eating food for a period of days.

42 BUT, you are not actually FASTING when you are going to eat everyday, regardless to what time you may set for the meal. If you eat within twenty four (24) hours, you cannot really consider it as a FAST.




































43 AND, so I say to my followers, WE ARE NOT FASTING (in December) we are just abstaining from taking a part with false worship. We abstain from eating throughout the month of Ramadan - the month of December.

44 It is good for us to abstain from eating meat, for we should not eat meat at all. Meat is not good for our health nor for our body.

45 ACTUALLY by nature, we are not made to live off meat.

46 ALLAH, (God) Who Came in the Person of Master Fard Muhammad, to Whom Praises are due forever, Taught me, that no meat is good for us, except the little pigeon (squab) that has never flown from its nest. But, we eat meat.

47 BEEF - coarse meat, such as beef - we should not wear out our stomach trying to digest this coarse meat. We should not eat any meat - not even lamb.

48 FISH - we can eat fish. Fish is raised under a different atmosphere. Fish is from a different world of life. Fish is born and fish lives, in the water of life. Fish is good for us.

49 BIRDS - ALLAH (God) Taught me that no bird is good for us to eat, and if you watch the nature of a bird, you will also agree that the bird is not fit to eat.







































50 BUT, following a people who the Holy Qur’an describes as ‘eating like a beast’ (white race) - they eat anything that they want to eat and they do not care concerning the harm that it is doing to their life. It is hard to live a hundred (100) years eating the way the white race eats - not to think of being able to live from 200 to 900 years like Noah and Methuselah lived.

51 ALLAH (God) Who Came in the Person of Master Fard Muhammad, to Whom Praises are due forever, Taught me. That the people of the planet Mars lives 1,200 of our earth years.

52 I do not know what they eat of their planet life, as Allah (God) did not Teach me what they eat. And I did not ask Him in the first place.

53 THE PEOPLE of MARS eat what their planet produces for them to eat, as the planet produced the people of Mars and it produces the food that they eat. I do not know what the planet produces, other than the people of Mars.

54 IF I could fly to Mars, I do not know whether I could say, "Prepare, fish, lamb or chicken," and have it prepared for me.

55 FAST - for 3 days - FAST for 3 x 3 days, FAST for 9 days or FAST for 27 days. FASTING is good for us. It gives our blood time to cleanse itself, and in so doing it makes us think clearer.

56 IF you make a habit of FASTING - you are not going to get sick. Abstain from eating, if you are eating the right kind of food, you can FAST but when you eat again, you poison your body.






















































57 STAY AWAY from that which is not good for us.

58 ABSTAINING FROM FOOD, FROM THE RISING OF THE SUN, UNTIL THE SUN SETS - THIS IS NOT FASTING.

Kephrem
10-05-2005, 12:44 AM
A question for the Muslims, why do you who adhere to Ramadan consider it fasting when done for half a day (in a month long ritual), when it seems to be a lesser sacrifice then full i.e. 24 hour fasts?

Golden_Armz
10-05-2005, 04:23 AM
^ Wow all my favourite posters are back....surely this is the end of KTL

Fasting is not just about FOOD!! fasting is prescribed to us just as it was prescribed to the people before us.....

also when you think about it you cant have 1.2 billion people not eating for 24hrs......fasting is for a Holy Month......if you like to fast 24 hrs then thats even better sacrifice but Allah is not asking you to do so....

36 Chambers....to answer your question, i get extremely annoyed when people make silly rulings in Islam, and then others who have no authority make things up aswell....of course you can brush your teeth....Islam is practical and not meant to be a burden....being clean is one of the main priorities of a Muslim.....i know SOME Muslims exceed Allahs limits....you please tell your friend stop exagerating and be of the moderate like Allah says....

2.In Surah AL-MAEDA chapter number 5 verse number 77
"Say: O followers of the Book! be not unduly immoderate in your religion, and do not follow the low desires of people who went astray before and led many astray and went astray from the right path. "

Peace

LORD NOSE
10-05-2005, 04:32 AM
this fool thinks he's the leader of all Islam

like most sunnis do

they think their form of Islam and the way they practice it is the only correct way to follow ALLAH

sad shit

you'll never grow

Kephrem
10-05-2005, 04:49 AM
^ Wow all my favourite posters are back....surely this is the end of KTL

Fasting is not just about FOOD!! fasting is prescribed to us just as it was prescribed to the people before us.....

If you read my first post in this thread you would've known I know "fasting is not just about food".


also when you think about it you cant have 1.2 billion people not eating for 24hrs......fasting is for a Holy Month......if you like to fast 24 hrs then thats even better sacrifice but Allah is not asking you to do so....

I only knew a fast to be a required 24 hour abstainment of food and liquids until I was introduced to the concept of so-called "fasts" which did not require that.

There's people who on the regular don't eat until the early evening. In general I fail to see the true sacrifice of a "half day fast".

Visionz
10-05-2005, 05:29 AM
This is the text in my Quran which lays the foundation for Ramadan for those seeking more info on its' basis.

Surah 2, verse 185
Ramadan is the (month) In which was sent down The Quran, as a guide to mankind, aslo clear (Signs) for guidance and judgement (between right and wrong). So every one of you who is present (at his home) during that month should spend it in fasting, but if any one is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed period (should be made up) by days later. Allah intends every facility for you;He does not want to put you to difficulties He wants you to complete the perscribed period
and to glorify Him in that He has guided you; and perchance ye shall be grateful.


As far as the night vs day deal, verse 187 goes on to say.................And seek what Allah hath ordained for you, and eat and drink until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread, then complete your fast till the night appears.......

I'm not an expert in Islam but it seems to me both sides have truth in them. Yes the Quran lays out a guideline that says not eating or drinking during the day is sufficient, but at the same time going for longer than that would only show even more disicpline and self-restraint, principles that are cherished in the Quran. It doesn't seem like either one should be condemned, we all have our on path to take and hopefully everyone finds the one that works best for them. In the end if the path taken is a righteous one it would seem that we all arrive at the same destination. peace

Muslimah
10-05-2005, 06:28 AM
personally I don't see how much of what was posted in this thread helped answer 36 chambers questions. Was a rather confusing combination of info if you ask me. But maybe that's just me. I'm sure somewhere in it all there is an answer :)

Just to add, though, it was already mentioned... I feel it is important to emphasise this point... Ramadan isn't simply about not eating and drinking. Though it is a major part. Think of it in the sense that in denying the body food and drink, the body craves the spiritual.

You can fast all year round, but what makes Ramadan special is that it is the month whereby the Holy Quran was revealed to the Prophet Muhammed(SAAW) and all humankind. Fast by day and prayer by night. While one should do good all year and stay away from bad all year round, ramadan is a month that really leaves the person with no excuses.

There are many reasons why we fast and many benefits. It puts you in a constant reflective state. Every action is measured for it's purpose, with the body serving as a constant reminder.

But I'll leave it at that, really, there are articles after articles on this topic. A simple search on the topic will leave you with enough reading material for years...


My spouse is currently fasting. Which means we aren't having any contact for a month :(
lmao, a worthwhile sacrifice. I'm sure you'll survive... ;)

LHX
10-05-2005, 07:14 AM
the best dietary discipline is learning to eat properly

occasionally fasting is second best

Prince Rai
10-05-2005, 11:01 AM
the best dietary discipline is learning to eat properly

occasionally fasting is second best
A fast will teach you the value of food, and which food (if one mediates on what fasting is), is most best to eat.

after fast, you have cleansed your system and mind.. then you can plan properly what food shold go in.. and what food to avoid!

peace n blesings

SubtleEnergies
10-06-2005, 06:45 AM
haha Robia.. :P
I hope you are well :)

LHX
10-06-2005, 07:15 AM
after fast, you have cleansed your system and mind
this is no longer true

it used to be

but
not any more

Prince Rai
10-06-2005, 07:25 AM
this is no longer true

it used to be

but
not any more
the fact you suggested that this once was the case, has enough gravity to suggest that it still does work..

how does this not apply today?
what changed this?
how could the virtues of fasting have become extinct?

LHX
10-06-2005, 07:31 AM
we have developed an environment in which there is no place which is void of toxicity

unless maybe you travel to a high mountain to fast


at this point - we involuntarily consume toxins - even when we are not eating
and the only way to handle this situation is to eat properly to get it out of the system


more than ever
it is critical to know your foods


slowly but surely - every aspect is being taken from us and our hand is being forced

Prince Rai
10-06-2005, 07:36 AM
thats correct, toxicants exist everywhere.. mostly in the chemicals pollutin our foods..

however a healthy mind looks after a body.. so fasting can absolve the mind from pollution and transfer know;egde to the body and fight toxicants with more effect!

its been taught.. a strong mind can help you get over illnesses much fatsre or more effective at least!

LHX
10-06-2005, 07:42 AM
thats correct, toxicants exist everywhere.. mostly in the chemicals pollutin our foods..

however a healthy mind looks after a body.. so fasting can absolve the mind from pollution and transfer know;egde to the body and fight toxicants with more effect!

its been taught.. a strong mind can help you get over illnesses much fatsre or more effective at least!
much of this is true


but
you cannot prevent yourself from breathing when you fast

Prince Rai
10-06-2005, 07:47 AM
breathing is part of meditation.. as well as part of fasting in the sense that.. oxygen in any form.. does provide the body with fuel and it allows the body to work more effectively..

why dyu rekkon those who do fast do some sort of meditation.. be it thru buddhist ways/ muslim prayer "salat" or any other proper fast..

much of the attributes of fasting are very simple.. but hugely gravitaional in its usefulness.

LHX
10-06-2005, 07:51 AM
breathing is part of meditation.. as well as part of fasting in the sense that.. oxygen in any form.. does provide the body with fuel and it allows the body to work more effectively..

why dyu rekkon those who do fast do some sort of meditation.. be it thru buddhist ways/ muslim prayer "salat" or any other proper fast..

much of the attributes of fasting are very simple.. but hugely gravitaional in its usefulness.
no no -

i mean you cannot prevent yourself from breathing

meaning that the poison is also in the air



the only thing more difficult than not eating
is eating properly


the only thing more difficult than taking time throughout your day to meditate
is to turn your life into a meditation

Prince Rai
10-06-2005, 08:15 AM
yes i understood the first time bro.. breathing cannot be halted its part of life that must prevail at natures pace..

and the toxins that come through the air, is filtered by our mind in the way explained as above!

and fasting if done accordingly, is a blueprint for meditation for everyday life in trems of meditating 24/7

because we wake up in a certain time for the cause of God.. that makes us humble and careful of what we do.. we are humbled and apprecaite the food we consume.. we engender patience.. which is the greatest of attributes..
and fasting keeps u away from things in life that seems so ordinary.. but can harm you in the mind if you cannot control them..

even breath can be controlled to make it more effective!

peace n blessingz

LHX
10-06-2005, 08:31 AM
yes i understood the first time bro.. breathing cannot be halted its part of life that must prevail at natures pace..

and the toxins that come through the air, is filtered by our mind in the way explained as above!

and fasting if done accordingly, is a blueprint for meditation for everyday life in trems of meditating 24/7

because we wake up in a certain time for the cause of God.. that makes us humble and careful of what we do.. we are humbled and apprecaite the food we consume.. we engender patience.. which is the greatest of attributes..
and fasting keeps u away from things in life that seems so ordinary.. but can harm you in the mind if you cannot control them..

even breath can be controlled to make it more effective!

peace n blessingz
i dig what you are saying


if fasting is the blueprint
then proper consumption is the plan in action

the next thing is to look at foods not as something to be thankful for

but as something that must be used in proper quantities and proportions in order to build something
(i said the word 'must')


if patience is the greatest of attributes
one may suggest that creation is the greatest of feats

peace

this is interesting

Prince Rai
10-06-2005, 08:47 AM
indeed.. i agree.. a blueprint must come into action so that the blueprint served its purpose.

food "must" be consumed with care and in proportion.. it is obvious that 2 much or 2 little can do harm, but the balance is established by examining how the body reacts to a lack of food...and what the body requires to sustain itself at its optimum..

for example when i fisrt started i realised i hadnt eaten enough to make me full for the longterm.. now i realised what i need so that my fast can be more effective considerin i must still do worldy works which requires energy.

and through boxing.. i also realised that controlling food very explicitly is very importnat.. too much or too little can ruin a whole round of boxing and make u look crap!

peace LHX creation is indeed the greatest feat.. without it.. lol we wudnt be talkin

"Masta-Mind"
10-06-2005, 08:59 AM
Ah man, i was going to say alot of stuff, but Muslimah said it so perfectly there really is nothing left for me 2 say. Peace

LHX
10-06-2005, 09:09 AM
creation is indeed the greatest feat.. without it.. lol we wudnt be talkin
i wonder what we would be doin

peace

7EL7
10-06-2005, 10:52 AM
make sure u have a big meal before sunrise is the best option here.

thats the worst advice on fasting for ramadan

Golden_Armz
10-06-2005, 10:54 AM
^ lol chips everybody!

LHX
10-06-2005, 10:56 AM
sour cream and onion?

caffene free diet dr. pepper?

Golden_Armz
10-06-2005, 10:56 AM
i was talking about microchips

LHX
10-06-2005, 10:59 AM
microchips = cellphones

implants = make people carry them voluntarily

(thats a different topic - sorry i misunderstood)

Golden_Armz
10-06-2005, 11:23 AM
some people have microchips on their shoulders

LHX
10-06-2005, 11:26 AM
some people have microchips on their shoulders
baaaaaaaahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

nice



corny
but nice

Golden_Armz
10-06-2005, 11:31 AM
u didnt notice the build up?

Wooly Noggins
10-07-2005, 11:18 AM
thats the worst advice on fasting for ramadan


^ lol chips everybody!
it isn't ?

Koolish
10-07-2005, 12:09 PM
imagine this: flip this into a Christian tradition, it would turn into a "there is no god" religious debate and it would do more damage than the good it intended.

i bet saying "Merry Christmas" would have enough people telling you how Jesus wasn't born.
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Wooly Noggins
10-07-2005, 12:23 PM
imagine this: flip this into a Christian tradition, it would turn into a "there is no god" religious debate and it would do more damage than the good it intended.

i bet saying "Merry Christmas" would have enough people telling you how Jesus wasn't born.
whats wrong with people wanting to let the truth be known by all means necessary

BlaK FuRYaN
10-07-2005, 01:17 PM
personally I don't see how much of what was posted in this thread helped answer 36 chambers questions. Was a rather confusing combination of info if you ask me. But maybe that's just me. I'm sure somewhere in it all there is an answer :)

Just to add, though, it was already mentioned... I feel it is important to emphasise this point... Ramadan isn't simply about not eating and drinking. Though it is a major part. Think of it in the sense that in denying the body food and drink, the body craves the spiritual.

You can fast all year round, but what makes Ramadan special is that it is the month whereby the Holy Quran was revealed to the Prophet Muhammed(SAAW) and all humankind. Fast by day and prayer by night. While one should do good all year and stay away from bad all year round, ramadan is a month that really leaves the person with no excuses.

There are many reasons why we fast and many benefits. It puts you in a constant reflective state. Every action is measured for it's purpose, with the body serving as a constant reminder.

But I'll leave it at that, really, there are articles after articles on this topic. A simple search on the topic will leave you with enough reading material for years...



lmao, a worthwhile sacrifice. I'm sure you'll survive... ;)
co-sign

BlaK FuRYaN
10-07-2005, 01:20 PM
we have developed an environment in which there is no place which is void of toxicity

unless maybe you travel to a high mountain to fast


at this point - we involuntarily consume toxins - even when we are not eating
and the only way to handle this situation is to eat properly to get it out of the system


more than ever
it is critical to know your foods


slowly but surely - every aspect is being taken from us and our hand is being forced
but this dosn't invalidate an individuals fasting...

Koolish
10-07-2005, 06:58 PM
whats wrong with people wanting to let the truth be known by all means necessaryi'm not seeing a lot of "truth" being dropped here, you know why? because this is surrounding islam.

if it was Christian, there would be "truth" everywhere.

and don't get me wrong, i have enough respect for islam, hell i've defended it a few times too, but it's just i've had some thoughts about how this whole thing works with people persecuting religion, and it's biased.
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7EL7
10-07-2005, 07:29 PM
HUH ?

Koolish
10-07-2005, 10:32 PM
ok, best of luck to all respecting Ramadam, pray and fast well, and resist temptation.

what i was saying is that no atheist dare jump on any Muslim tradition and tell people how they believe in lies, however, were peoplet talking about a Christian tradition, i guarantee you only a couple of Christians could get good words in before an atheist would storm on their parade.

i'm making a social observation here.
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7EL7
10-07-2005, 11:54 PM
thats very true

but i gurantee you if there was an IQ test given to the Muslim population in america vs. the Christian The muslims would have a higher I.Q.

Golden_Armz
10-08-2005, 07:40 AM
what i was saying is that no atheist dare jump on any Muslim tradition and tell people how they believe in lies, .
Have u read any of these threads?

LHX
10-08-2005, 08:03 AM
in the welfare office

they had an entire pamphlet discussing how immigrants to canada and ontario (toronto) specifically experienced a decline in their health after living here for a year


the health decline was related directly to diet



i will seek to find that pamphlet next time i am there and post it up

i found it funny
in a sad - tragically ironic sort of way

Golden_Armz
10-08-2005, 08:20 AM
^Indeed, it seems these elders diets are also having an effect on their seeds, check my topic thread....Peace

Wooly Noggins
10-08-2005, 09:57 AM
where i stay i see 400 pound 8 year old often

the ice cream trucks drive up and down my street all day until 10 o clock in the night

LHX
10-08-2005, 11:19 AM
where i stay i see 400 pound 8 year old often

the ice cream trucks drive up and down my street all day until 10 o clock in the night
400 pounds of poison



these kids dont stand a chance

that sugar high is hard to maintain

just ask your pancreas and spleen

Prince Rai
10-08-2005, 12:56 PM
yepp.. that high sugar consumption makes so many kids ill and overhyped!!
it has effects on everything even the mind!

Kennings
10-08-2005, 10:03 PM
I know its kinda off topic in a way, but has anyone celebrated Yom Kippur? Because I do, and in it, I just gather with my family (but this year Ill be alone since Im off in college) and we dont do anything for a full day (from sundown to sundown) other than pray.

In it we have what I call an actual fast because for 24 hours we do not eat anything, or drink water. We do not even use electricity or anything entertaining. Really, youre supposed to jes do nothing other than read the bible, and pray for forgiveness. And then we make a "pilgramage" really just a walk, wearing regular house clothes b.c youre supposed to have humility and not really be carein bout what people have to say. Its basically a day of shame for your sins, but I like it because truthfully, when it is done right, you feel a whole lot better, both spiritually and physically.

From doing this every year, Ramadan, not to undermine it, seems as though it would be a lot easier to do, but then again I never truely experienced it.

But I do like the posts some of you said about using it as a time to create a blueprint, using it as a time to change your diet and really and truely re-evaluate your life. I always used to build my relationship to God, but that sounds like a really good way to make it that much more personable and beneficial. Especially with me seriously looking at my health and just again exercising and eating a whole lot better.

7EL7
10-08-2005, 10:09 PM
I know its kinda off topic in a way, but has anyone celebrated Yom Kippur? Because I do, and in it, I just gather with my family (but this year Ill be alone since Im off in college) and we dont do anything for a full day (from sundown to sundown) other than pray.

In it we have what I call an actual fast because for 24 hours we do not eat anything, or drink water. We do not even use electricity or anything entertaining. Really, youre supposed to jes do nothing other than read the bible, and pray for forgiveness. And then we make a "pilgramage" really just a walk, wearing regular house clothes b.c youre supposed to have humility and not really be carein bout what people have to say. Its basically a day of shame for your sins, but I like it because truthfully, when it is done right, you feel a whole lot better, both spiritually and physically.

From doing this every year, Ramadan, not to undermine it, seems as though it would be a lot easier to do, but then again I never truely experienced it.

But I do like the posts some of you said about using it as a time to create a blueprint, using it as a time to change your diet and really and truely re-evaluate your life. I always used to build my relationship to God, but that sounds like a really good way to make it that much more personable and beneficial. Especially with me seriously looking at my health and just again exercising and eating a whole lot better.


i never knew what that was
i've noticed that the jewish community would not use any electricity at certain times - i didn't know that it was that deep

but yeah for some in the Nation they do something like ramadan everyday 365
the strongest of us do it - eat once every 24 hours after SUNdown. I hear there is an elder who reads the Quaran once every 7 days - pure discipline

MF Herbs
10-09-2005, 02:46 AM
I know its kinda off topic in a way, but has anyone celebrated Yom Kippur? Because I do, and in it, I just gather with my family (but this year Ill be alone since Im off in college) and we dont do anything for a full day (from sundown to sundown) other than pray.

In it we have what I call an actual fast because for 24 hours we do not eat anything, or drink water. We do not even use electricity or anything entertaining. Really, youre supposed to jes do nothing other than read the bible, and pray for forgiveness. And then we make a "pilgramage" really just a walk, wearing regular house clothes b.c youre supposed to have humility and not really be carein bout what people have to say. Its basically a day of shame for your sins, but I like it because truthfully, when it is done right, you feel a whole lot better, both spiritually and physically.

From doing this every year, Ramadan, not to undermine it, seems as though it would be a lot easier to do, but then again I never truely experienced it.

But I do like the posts some of you said about using it as a time to create a blueprint, using it as a time to change your diet and really and truely re-evaluate your life. I always used to build my relationship to God, but that sounds like a really good way to make it that much more personable and beneficial. Especially with me seriously looking at my health and just again exercising and eating a whole lot better.
I am. Shalom

7EL7
10-09-2005, 02:51 AM
Drugz ?

LHX
11-30-2006, 08:16 PM
bumped for the new guy

WARPATH
11-30-2006, 09:32 PM
I had a friend that stayed with me last year, he's a vegan that practiced Ramadan.

He wouldn't eat, but he would smoke weed all day.

I couldn't do it, i'd have the munchies like a mother fucker. But I don't smoke weed anymore.

Plus why be a vegan to purify your body, but make your mind slow by smoking weed?

the silencer
11-30-2006, 10:39 PM
Plus why be a vegan to purify your body, but make your mind slow by smoking weed?

i find myself askin myself that question alot now...

im not a VEGAN but i eat almost no meat anymore and i try to eat as healthy as i can....but yet i smoke weed about twice a week maybe..

i dono...i just dont think ive been convinced yet that weed is bad for my mind or my brain....i actually think its good for my mind...

the respiratory effects are what i hate..

LHX
12-01-2006, 12:35 AM
theres no 2 ways about it - smoking is ingesting metal

there are benefits and costs to everything, and there are limits to what you can learn from something


weed has a lot to teach, but some people, it takes them a long time to learn the lessons, so they keep smoking year after year

like repeating classes in school


eventually, if you keep it up, the lessons will become more harsh (it will kill you)


anything you learn from weed you can learn elsewhere as well

but weed has that stimulation that people seem to get hooked on


the other problem with weed is that it distorts the mind in some aspects and throws people off their game

like if dude gets blunted, he wont notice that you are wiff his girl in the other room

Sicka than aidZ
12-01-2006, 12:49 AM
thatz a good post L, it does have alot to teach but u need long breakz from it i think cuz it'll just make u lazy and u stop using your mind all together. it beginz to weigh u down in the bloodstream or something i dont know, once a month, or even longer is probably the healthy way to puff it. everyone is different. peace

7EL7
12-01-2006, 04:29 AM
theres no 2 ways about it - smoking is ingesting metal

there are benefits and costs to everything, and there are limits to what you can learn from something


weed has a lot to teach, but some people, it takes them a long time to learn the lessons, so they keep smoking year after year

like repeating classes in school


eventually, if you keep it up, the lessons will become more harsh (it will kill you)


anything you learn from weed you can learn elsewhere as well

but weed has that stimulation that people seem to get hooked on


the other problem with weed is that it distorts the mind in some aspects and throws people off their game

like if dude gets blunted, he wont notice that you are wiff his girl in the other room


weed is good for you and it ain't no fun if the homies can't have none

LHX
12-01-2006, 08:49 AM
weed is good for you and it ain't no fun if the homies can't have none

from a certain angle, everything is good for you

7EL7
12-01-2006, 12:27 PM
not pork

100pr00f
12-01-2006, 12:47 PM
i find myself askin myself that question alot now...

im not a VEGAN but i eat almost no meat anymore and i try to eat as healthy as i can....but yet i smoke weed about twice a week maybe..

i dono...i just dont think ive been convinced yet that weed is bad for my mind or my brain....i actually think its good for my mind...

the respiratory effects are what i hate..


then y not just inject thc into ur system

100pr00f
12-01-2006, 12:48 PM
theres no 2 ways about it - smoking is ingesting metal

there are benefits and costs to everything, and there are limits to what you can learn from something


weed has a lot to teach, but some people, it takes them a long time to learn the lessons, so they keep smoking year after year

like repeating classes in school


eventually, if you keep it up, the lessons will become more harsh (it will kill you)


anything you learn from weed you can learn elsewhere as well

but weed has that stimulation that people seem to get hooked on


the other problem with weed is that it distorts the mind in some aspects and throws people off their game

like if dude gets blunted, he wont notice that you are wiff his girl in the other room

lol this is true

the silencer
12-01-2006, 02:41 PM
then y not just inject thc into ur system
cuz im not a fuckin lunatic...

LORD NOSE
04-16-2009, 09:09 PM
who fasting ?

diggy
04-16-2009, 10:01 PM
Some muslims think fasting is from "dawn to sunset", but the Quran explains it is until NIGHT, which is AFTER sunset. Sunset and night are not the same.

2:187:

Summa atimmus-syaama 'ilal-layl...

Observe Fast till night...

drippie k
04-17-2009, 06:06 AM
another reason i could never convert to islam, that would be impossible for me, i'm always munchin on something n brush my teeth throughout the day

Fatal Guillotine
06-28-2011, 11:40 AM
up

WARPATH
06-28-2011, 01:11 PM
I just finished a four day fast earlier this month. A lot of different cultures use fasting to help purify themselves.

You learn a lot about yourselves when you don't eat or drink. Your body seems to drop down to a different energy source. When you do eat something after fasting, it tastes better then you ever remembered. Specially fruits, I can't even describe it. You'll never look at them the same after.

Shogah
06-28-2011, 06:02 PM
The sin goes from mouth, not into mouth.

LORD NOSE
06-28-2011, 06:12 PM
The sin goes from mouth, not into mouth.


a large amount of alcohol goes into the mouth and comes out as you smashing into someone with your car afterwards

crack smoke goes into your mouth - sin comes out of your hands - because the thing that went into your mouth effected your mind and caused you to "sin"


one who cannot control what goes into the mouth has no self control

LORD NOSE
06-28-2011, 06:15 PM
Your body seems to drop down to a different energy source. When you do eat something after fasting, it tastes better then you ever remembered. Specially fruits, I can't even describe it. You'll never look at them the same after.


fast until a slice of cake looks like a block of shit to you

WARPATH
06-29-2011, 03:13 PM
fast until a slice of cake looks like a block of shit to you

That sounds like the wrong reason to fast.

IZA
06-29-2011, 04:20 PM
one who cannot control what goes into the mouth has no self control

I'm guilty of that... Except in Ramadan when I seem to control myself the best and never miss a day. One month until Ramadan.

LORD NOSE
06-29-2011, 05:55 PM
i had a block of cake that same day i posted that - it didn't look or taste like shit - i just feel like shit now - should have gotten some fruit instead

IZA
06-30-2011, 09:13 AM
LMAO I usually question why I eat so much and generally regret it after I do it

IrOnMaN
06-30-2011, 09:51 AM
Lol at the people in this thread wasting the opportunity to eat. Are you people aware that some people are actually straving right now around the world? Some people are lucky to get a three meals a day (prisoners get three hot meals a day). Some have to settle for one meal a day, especially the kids. Schools provide two meals a day then they go home and have NOTHING to eat. People are going to sleep hungry. Whatever! Food is food. It shouldn't be wasted on bullshit religions.

pro.Graveface
07-01-2011, 05:02 AM
fasting is a must to become empty,,, all sages do this in tere own way! tere are 2 wayz, so ive been told , 1 mentaly and 2 physicaly.

WARPATH
07-03-2011, 04:31 AM
Lol at the people in this thread wasting the opportunity to eat. Are you people aware that some people are actually straving right now around the world? Some people are lucky to get a three meals a day (prisoners get three hot meals a day). Some have to settle for one meal a day, especially the kids. Schools provide two meals a day then they go home and have NOTHING to eat. People are going to sleep hungry. Whatever! Food is food. It shouldn't be wasted on bullshit religions.

How can you waste food, if your not taking any? Your not killing anything and your not cooking anything....how is that waste?

Golden_Armz
07-05-2011, 03:14 AM
Some muslims think fasting is from "dawn to sunset", but the Quran explains it is until NIGHT, which is AFTER sunset. Sunset and night are not the same.

2:187:

Summa atimmus-syaama 'ilal-layl...

Observe Fast till night...

Muslims follow the Qur'an according to the way the Prophet Muhammad followed it, as he was a manifestation of it's teachings. If making rules was a 'free-for-all' then the Deen would be a mess. All Muslims are agreed that the breaking of fast is at Maghrib time.

Golden_Armz
07-05-2011, 03:20 AM
another reason i could never convert to islam, that would be impossible for me, i'm always munchin on something n brush my teeth throughout the day

I brush my teeth a few times a day when I'm fasting. Some Muslims choose not to, but thats down to difference of opinion. You can even taste food on your tongue if you are a chef, not swallowing it.

'Always munching on something' isnt good for us bro, gotta give the stomach time to digest whatever is in there!

Also if someone was to start practising Islam, they are not expected to be perfect and lose all their bad habits straight away.

Self improvement is a steady process. Some walk, some run some crawl. The Qur'an was steadily revealed throughout 23 years after all.

PEACE

LORD NOSE
07-05-2011, 03:50 PM
our light and culture is undeniable - those who hate us most still cannot help themselves from mimicking us

LORD NOSE
07-05-2011, 03:53 PM
Lol at the people in this thread wasting the opportunity to eat. Are you people aware that some people are actually straving right now around the world? Some people are lucky to get a three meals a day (prisoners get three hot meals a day). Some have to settle for one meal a day, especially the kids. Schools provide two meals a day then they go home and have NOTHING to eat. People are going to sleep hungry. Whatever! Food is food. It shouldn't be wasted on bullshit religions.


waste the opportunity to eat ?


lmao - if there is any opportunity to eat, you should take it ?


dam son

Mumm Ra
07-05-2011, 05:20 PM
lol - eat as much as you can, get fat, because some people are starving

his last sentence is ironic too...its actually not being wasted by people who fast

TheBoarzHeadBoy
07-05-2011, 05:52 PM
You're supposed to get food like normal when fasting then give it to the poor.

You have to empty the mind.

pro.Graveface
07-06-2011, 01:30 PM
or filter out the da poison

Fatal Guillotine
01-08-2012, 02:32 PM
beneficial

LORD NOSE
01-31-2012, 11:52 PM
נקמה קפדנית של הכריך שיבולת שועל

Dirty Knowledge
01-31-2012, 11:55 PM
this thread seems pretty old but i got some simple questions

about fasting

what are ya supposed to eat/drink when you fast?

and is there different ways to fast for different people/religions/beliefs?

pretend like there is no religions and beliefs but just fasting

then what would be proper fasting techniques?

and this is for healthy fasting, not religious fasting but if its the same shit then so be it

check two
02-01-2012, 12:21 AM
^^
It sounds like you should read up some more on it first

Dirty Knowledge
02-01-2012, 12:56 AM
thanks

PALEFORCE
02-01-2012, 08:21 AM
I do the master cleanse, thats my go to fast but I experiment with different types when i come across new ones that sound good

LORD NOSE
02-15-2013, 11:42 AM
I know its kinda off topic in a way, but has anyone celebrated Yom Kippur? Because I do, and in it, I just gather with my family (but this year Ill be alone since Im off in college) and we dont do anything for a full day (from sundown to sundown) other than pray.

In it we have what I call an actual fast because for 24 hours we do not eat anything, or drink water. We do not even use electricity or anything entertaining. Really, youre supposed to jes do nothing other than read the bible, and pray for forgiveness. And then we make a "pilgramage" really just a walk, wearing regular house clothes b.c youre supposed to have humility and not really be carein bout what people have to say. Its basically a day of shame for your sins, but I like it because truthfully, when it is done right, you feel a whole lot better, both spiritually and physically.

From doing this every year, Ramadan, not to undermine it, seems as though it would be a lot easier to do, but then again I never truely experienced it.

But I do like the posts some of you said about using it as a time to create a blueprint, using it as a time to change your diet and really and truely re-evaluate your life. I always used to build my relationship to God, but that sounds like a really good way to make it that much more personable and beneficial. Especially with me seriously looking at my health and just again exercising and eating a whole lot better.

nice - why judaism is off the radar and almost never talked about and build up on is still a mystery to me - people can talk about islam and christianity all day, but almost never judaism
and they seem to be the most successful






I just finished a four day fast earlier this month. A lot of different cultures use fasting to help purify themselves.

You learn a lot about yourselves when you don't eat or drink. Your body seems to drop down to a different energy source. When you do eat something after fasting, it tastes better then you ever remembered. Specially fruits, I can't even describe it. You'll never look at them the same after.






our light and culture is undeniable - those who hate us most still cannot help themselves from mimicking us








this thread seems pretty old but i got some simple questions

about fasting

what are ya supposed to eat/drink when you fast?


nothing




and is there different ways to fast for different people/religions/beliefs?


fasting is abstaining from intake


pretend like there is no religions and beliefs but just fasting

then what would be proper fasting techniques?


don't eat - don't intake anything - a full fast would include meditation where you don't take anything in to the eyes and ears - you focus on the movement of the air coming into your lungs and the vibration of your body - also tune out your inner talking


and this is for healthy fasting, not religious fasting but if its the same shit then so be it