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Shogah
05-06-2010, 09:13 AM
In the fucking Greece.

rdciOXroU9o

http://www.novinite.com/media/images/2010-05/photo_verybig_115930.jpg

http://www.survival-spot.com/survival-images/greece-riots2.gif

http://turkeymacedonia.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/greek-riots-police-eu.jpg

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Everyone%20Else/images/greek-riot-police-falling.jpg

http://twistedsifter.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/riots-in-greece-2010.jpg



This one is great

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01585/greece-riots_jpg_1585461c.jpg

There goes an Audi

http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/images/0311-greecedebt/7553236-1-eng-US/0311-GreeceDebt_full_600.jpg

Burn baby burn

http://images.brisbanetimes.com.au/2010/05/06/1414008/420_riot1-420x0.jpg

Shogah
05-06-2010, 09:16 AM
http://blog.hopeglory.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/greece1.jpg

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2008/12/10/1228906518613/Gallery-Greek-riots-Polic-007.jpg

http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/NA-AU598_GREECE_G_20081210165953.jpg



http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/03/12/alg_greece_riots.jpg

Come Honor Face
05-06-2010, 09:17 AM
I was sure this was a PALEHORSE thread when I clicked it from the main forum page.

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Everyone%20Else/images/greek-riot-police-falling.jpg

Owned.

DUMBO
05-06-2010, 10:03 AM
Now imagine a situation when US militias commit a series of terrorist attacks on the US gov't because it loses its legitimacy when forced to take austerity measures for its own obscene debt.

Now imagine the public reaction when the US military suppresses these groups and crowds of other assorted opponents of the state.

Trust me, if capitalism ever goes down (and I do also have my doubts), it will go down in mad flames and bloodshed.

PALEHORSE
05-06-2010, 10:46 AM
the same reason they are rioting is happening in america. the riots will follow soon. i say 6-12 months. the difference here is american citizen s are strapped. it wont be pitchforks and torches.

RALPH WIGGUM
05-06-2010, 10:50 AM
I don't know about America, but there is a high possibility this is gonna happen in most european countries, the Revolution comes when the middle class starts to suffer, and thats what's happening.

1789

PALEHORSE
05-06-2010, 10:56 AM
guns gold and seeds

better get yours

TSA
05-06-2010, 11:00 AM
http://blog.hopeglory.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/greece1.jpg
YOU ARE A BITCH! FUCK YOU

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2008/12/10/1228906518613/Gallery-Greek-riots-Polic-007.jpg
FUCK YOU!

http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/NA-AU598_GREECE_G_20081210165953.jpg
HOMOPOLICE, I WISH YOU DIE, FUCK YOU


http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/03/12/alg_greece_riots.jpg
FUCK YOU YOU ARE A BITCH POLICE, FUCK YOU


In the fucking Greece.

rdciOXroU9o

http://www.novinite.com/media/images/2010-05/photo_verybig_115930.jpg
I HOPE YOU DIE. FUCK YOU

http://www.survival-spot.com/survival-images/greece-riots2.gif
YOU ARE BURNING. YOU ARE A BITCH. FUCK YOU

http://turkeymacedonia.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/greek-riots-police-eu.jpg
YOU ARE FALLING. I HOPE YOU DIE. FUCK YOU

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Everyone%20Else/images/greek-riot-police-falling.jpg
I KICK YOUR DICK. FUCK YOU. YOU ARE A BITCH

http://twistedsifter.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/riots-in-greece-2010.jpg



http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01585/greece-riots_jpg_1585461c.jpg

YOUR MOTHER IS A WHORE. FUCK YOU. FUCK YOU AND DIE

http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/images/0311-greecedebt/7553236-1-eng-US/0311-GreeceDebt_full_600.jpg

DIE AND FUCK YOU.

http://images.brisbanetimes.com.au/2010/05/06/1414008/420_riot1-420x0.jpg
YOU ARE A FAG. YOU ARE DYING. FUCK YOU



I don't know about America, but there is a high possibility this is gonna happen in most european countries, the Revolution comes when the middle class starts to suffer, and thats what's happening.

1789

i wouldn't go to that extreme. this is also nothing new in europe. it'll fizzle out.

Hellspawn
05-06-2010, 11:05 AM
Damn ! it chaotic out there now !

Uncle Steezo
05-06-2010, 11:09 AM
this is the result of a gap thats widening between the old and new paradigm.
people are waking up. "dead rising from the grave".

consciousness/dimensional shift as our solar system enters a new energy field.

historic cycles are also speeding up exponentially.


i wonder if our favorite cornrowed mole rat is out there getting his ass kicked by the citizenry.

TSA
05-06-2010, 11:22 AM
yes, this is the first time a large riot has broken out in europe. It's a shift in the dimension not a riot of angry ppl that are angry.

Uncle Steezo
05-06-2010, 11:30 AM
its more than just europe. asia africa and the us are all on the edge.
even the planet earth itself is going thru swift and violent changes.


but maybe the dimensional shift will flop...like the ipad did.

SID
05-06-2010, 11:33 AM
http://i44.tinypic.com/w0rfcw.gif

TSA
05-06-2010, 12:23 PM
its more than just europe. asia africa and the us are all on the edge.
even the planet earth itself is going thru swift and violent changes.


but maybe the dimensional shift will flop...like the ipad did.
ok nigga.

nobodies on edge more then before, maybe you're realizing the world is fuckin wild, but this has happened 5 times every 5 years in europe. they do this shit for soccer. the world is real, your religion sounds like an RPG

Edgar Erebus
05-06-2010, 12:27 PM
I don't know about America, but there is a high possibility this is gonna happen in most european countries, the Revolution comes when the middle class starts to suffer, and thats what's happening.

1789

What do you need revolution for when you have internet?
(c) požigalc

HANZO
05-06-2010, 01:05 PM
what are they protesting though??

the EU is telling them that they need to work more, pay their taxes and stop being lazy. the Greeks dont want that. a man in Germany retires at 67 on a shit pension, a Greek retires at 50 with a pension of 30,000 euros a year.

now the Germans are telling the Greeks "we will try an save you but you have to work as hard as we do from now on"

the Greeks obviously reject that.

Uncle Steezo
05-06-2010, 01:15 PM
ok nigga.

nobodies on edge more then before, maybe you're realizing the world is fuckin wild, but this has happened 5 times every 5 years in europe. they do this shit for soccer. the world is real, your religion sounds like an RPG

25 times in 25 years huh?
how many times in the previous 25?


thanx for proving my 2 points
1. you don't know what you are talking about
2. the world is aqccelrating toward a change and chaos is a result of the force of change meeting resistance.

don't be so rigid in your thinking.
everything is a wave that fluctuates between highs and lows. to some this seems like a cycle but there is a 3rd dimension of time that streches the circle into a wave.

i'm talking science not religion.
your world view sounds like a 8bit platform scroller.

INF
05-06-2010, 01:17 PM
Classic TSA with them captions!


Yo! you know Tech is out there gettin fuckt up right????? member he joined the military there ?????


dude is gettin his ass handed to him right now.smh

Luz
05-06-2010, 01:19 PM
The cops in America don't fuck around which is why we have very little violent protests or riots. They have the firepower, manpower, and the legal rights to fuck up large groups of people.

DUMBO
05-06-2010, 01:43 PM
what are they protesting though??

the EU is telling them that they need to work more, pay their taxes and stop being lazy. the Greeks dont want that. a man in Germany retires at 67 on a shit pension, a Greek retires at 50 with a pension of 30,000 euros a year.

now the Germans are telling the Greeks "we will try an save you but you have to work as hard as we do from now on"

the Greeks obviously reject that.

I doubt the greeks see it in relative terms - does anybody ever? They will fight for their economic rights even if these rights are unsustainable and grossly overadequate compared with more productive cuntries in the region.

As you probably would too.

RALPH WIGGUM
05-06-2010, 02:15 PM
I don't think people really get the situation. The same thing in asia?! Europe is crashing down, Asia is taking over.
http://blog.opodo.fr/Images/Upload/fck/blog.opodo.fr/root/Image/Pavillon%20chinois.jpg

And this doesn't happen all the time, capitalism is failing cause its now too radical, the European Union is gonna pay the bankers, they have more power than the countries, and that can't work. This is not some usual shit. A lot more people are now thinking like the communists, cause well its getting more and more true.

Edgar Erebus
05-06-2010, 02:30 PM
^^ Yup, you hit the nail on the head. Too bad all the protests of the world won't do anything.

Anarchocapitalism is the future.

PALEHORSE
05-06-2010, 02:45 PM
the restoration of the constitution and freedom is the future i see

PALEHORSE
05-06-2010, 02:52 PM
and we americans are gonna show the rest of th3e world how its done

RALPH WIGGUM
05-06-2010, 03:12 PM
^I can hardly believe that unless Im dumb deaf and blind lol
no but really, at least you americans have a good government, at first I thought Obama was just a good thing cause of the first black president thing, and he wouldn't be able to change things, but he did the health care reform and all, and when you see the dudes against him, it only shows hes doing things right.
We French have our worst government in all of the fifth republic, sarkozy is our Bush.

PALEHORSE
05-06-2010, 03:18 PM
fuck obama and his forced innoculations and labotomy plan. now the goverment can hold you down and shove pills down your throat. fuck obama and everything he stands for. hes an archcriminal scumbag lying piece of shit

not to mention he spent more money then all the presidents before him combined. fucking bankrupting america beyond repair with the burden on the tax paying citizens

the french have a great lifestyle dont know much about their government though.

beautifulrock
05-06-2010, 03:19 PM
ok nigga.

nobodies on edge more then before, maybe you're realizing the world is fuckin wild, but this has happened 5 times every 5 years in europe. they do this shit for soccer. the world is real, your religion sounds like an RPGNigga, you live in Nebraska nigga, whatchu know about the world nigga?

Longbongcilvaringz
05-06-2010, 04:51 PM
yes, this is the first time a large riot has broken out in europe. It's a shift in the dimension not a riot of angry ppl that are angry.

What do you mean the first time?

Similar shit happened in France less than a few years ago.

what are they protesting though??

the EU is telling them that they need to work more, pay their taxes and stop being lazy. the Greeks dont want that. a man in Germany retires at 67 on a shit pension, a Greek retires at 50 with a pension of 30,000 euros a year.

now the Germans are telling the Greeks "we will try an save you but you have to work as hard as we do from now on"

the Greeks obviously reject that.

The Greek pension arrangement is crazy, they get paid something like 80% of there wages and only have to work a minimum of 35 years to qualify

Also, (and i can't remember the specifics) but in Greece a company firing an employing effectively costs them more than keeping them on there salary.

If you're fired you are entitled to pay for 50% of the days you had worked for that company. It's meant to ease the transition from job to job, but instead results in it almost never being efficient to fire someone.

In a time of economic downturn like now, unemployment is compounded by this. Not to mention companies that do have to lay people off sinking further into debt as a result.

It's socialism gone mad in some of these countries. Italy has similar pension schemes (although not quite the same ridiculous industrial laws)

and we americans are gonna show the rest of th3e world how its done

lol, no you're fucking not, you'll be lucky to make it off the couch dough boy. Along with most of the other obese and paranoid "revolutionaries" in your country.

I like how the American's in this thread just dropped in to pretend they knew something about the situation, and to tell everyone that the US were doing to beat Europe in the rioting stakes.

Longbongcilvaringz
05-06-2010, 04:54 PM
fuck obama and his forced innoculations and labotomy plan. now the goverment can hold you down and shove pills down your throat. fuck obama and everything he stands for. hes an archcriminal scumbag lying piece of shit

not to mention he spent more money then all the presidents before him combined. fucking bankrupting america beyond repair with the burden on the tax paying citizens

the french have a great lifestyle dont know much about their government though.

lol, that's an understatement if i ever saw one.

You don't know much about shit, comments like "not to mention he spent more money then all the presidents before him combined." demonstrate your arrogant ignorance.

PALEHORSE
05-06-2010, 07:09 PM
prove me wrong genius or stfu faggot

you cant

so you should just shut the fuck up

(btw inflation dont count)

diggy
05-06-2010, 07:32 PM
First of all, the financial system is nothing but a shell game.

PALEHORSE
05-06-2010, 07:40 PM
its a vehicle to enslave populations

diggy
05-06-2010, 07:45 PM
True.

economic warefare

RzaRectum
05-06-2010, 07:56 PM
You could say that, but the people it's used against just don't know how to play the game.. It's so simple to play and win. But how can you win if you never take the time to learn the rules :?

PALEHORSE
05-06-2010, 08:02 PM
exactly!

they dont know because its not part of their education(brainwashing) another vehicle to enslave the population

there is enough wealth to go around for everybody

diggy
05-06-2010, 08:06 PM
Where could I learn the rules?

PALEHORSE
05-06-2010, 08:07 PM
study business

i learned through a society

thats why all these secret society type are so wealthy and successful. they have all the connections and knowledge readily available to them

look at greece for example

whos getting paid and whos getting fucked so bad they want to riot?

RzaRectum
05-06-2010, 08:16 PM
Where could I learn the rules?

study business

i learned through a society

thats why all these secret society type are so wealthy and successful. they have all the connections and knowledge readily available to them

look at greece for example

whos getting paid and whos getting fucked so bad they want to riot

:learning:

1. Study how business works.
2. Read about money and how it works.

To become rich, add 3.
3. DO the things required to acquire riches.


:learning:

What should you read?
1. Acres of Diamonds - Russell Conwell
2. Richest Man in Babylon - George S. Caslon
3. Think and Grow Rich - Napoleon Hill

This will show you the fundamentals.
For extra credit read
4. The Way to Wealth - Benjamin Franklin

















To think all you had to do to was ask :*

PALEHORSE
05-06-2010, 08:19 PM
props

think and grow rich is a fake version of the 16 laws of success by napolean hill with all the key elements taken out.

i have the pdf posted in my secret society thread in KTL

:learning:


To think all you had to do to was ask :*

"WHEN YOUR READY TO LEARN A TEACHER WILL APPEAR"

i think i hacked that quote up

diggy
05-06-2010, 08:22 PM
ok thanks

RzaRectum
05-06-2010, 08:23 PM
What do you mean "fake" version? All the principles are there.

PALEHORSE
05-06-2010, 08:27 PM
What do you mean "fake" version? All the principles are there.

no its not. ill send you a pdf

the 16 laws of success was napolean hills definitive work. only 118 copies were made befor e it was taken off the press. it was taken off the press because the wealthy at that time didnt want the public to know these things. so napolean hill released think and grow rich which was a watered down version of the 16 laws.

its kind of a legend. henry ford was inolved with it being removed. but if your on the inside and you know the details its pretty obvious this is what happened.

matter fact here ...ill post it here....

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9460VQ2K

here is my thread about the secret society info

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94310

diggy
05-06-2010, 09:59 PM
The thing about money - it is a tool and a persons' values are revealed in the way they spend and manage it.

^^Food for thought.

DUMBO
05-06-2010, 10:55 PM
The thing about money - it is a tool and a persons' values are revealed in the way they spend and manage it.

^^Food for thought.

wtf are you weirdos talking about? just develop skills in a scarce field that is in high demand, and make wise investments.

all those weird ass books are for making money for the publishers, not you.

TSA
05-06-2010, 11:11 PM
no its not. ill send you a pdf

the 16 laws of success was napolean hills definitive work. only 118 copies were made befor e it was taken off the press. it was taken off the press because the wealthy at that time didnt want the public to know these things. so napolean hill released think and grow rich which was a watered down version of the 16 laws.

its kind of a legend. henry ford was inolved with it being removed. but if your on the inside and you know the details its pretty obvious this is what happened.

matter fact here ...ill post it here....

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9460VQ2K

here is my thread about the secret society info

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94310
YOU GOT THIS OFF AN INFORMERCIAL! ahahahahAHAHahahAH! I SAW THEM SAY THE EXACT SAME THING YOu JUST TYPED !
AQAHAHAhaHAHahAHah

EAGLE EYE
05-06-2010, 11:17 PM
wtf are you weirdos talking about? just develop skills in a scarce field that is in high demand, and make wise investments.

all those weird ass books are for making money for the publishers, not you.


Haha basically.

I'm not sure why some don't understand this formula. Bitches just don't wanna adapt to the vertical markets.

PALEHORSE
05-06-2010, 11:18 PM
whats wrong with info?

what level you at TSA?
you ascend yet?
or you still an entered apprentice?

if you have any perception you can tell whos who

RzaRectum
05-07-2010, 01:11 AM
wtf are you weirdos talking about? just develop skills in a scarce field that is in high demand, and make wise investments.

all those weird ass books are for making money for the publishers, not you.
I'm sorry.. HOW MUCH do you make? If you haven't broken through the $50k/yr salary, then you are not qualified to speak on this subject.

The thing about money - it is a tool and a persons' values are revealed in the way they spend and manage it.

^^Food for thought.
Just like crisis reveals a man's real true character. Money only magnifies a person's real values. If they are shallow inside, they will only care about shallow things. If they value not people and relationships, they will behave as if they can be bought and sold.

Haha basically.

I'm not sure why some don't understand this formula. Bitches just don't wanna adapt to the vertical markets.
It sounds like you're an expert. Why don't you explain it to them.

EAGLE EYE
05-07-2010, 01:20 AM
You don't need to break through anything to make a statement or voice an opinion. This is common sense. I could of been making that money but I chose to work for a start-up with the understanding I could either end up laid off or become richer than the next man.


Are you really going to argue that gaining a skill in a highly demanded, specialized field is a bad thing? Plus making wise investments?


Where is the WRONG in this?

RzaRectum
05-07-2010, 01:25 AM
You don't need to break through anything to make a statement or voice an opinion. This is common sense. I could of been making that money but I chose to work for a start-up with the understanding I could either end up laid off or become richer than the next man.


Are you really going to argue that gaining a skill in a highly demanded, specialized field is a bad thing? Plus making wise investments?


Where is the WRONG in this?
No one has made this arguement.

Has it occured to you that some people lack the common sense you possess and need a little help?

EAGLE EYE
05-07-2010, 01:27 AM
No one has made this arguement.

Has it occured to you that some people lack the common sense you possess and need a little help?


Haha YES.

Uncle Steezo
05-07-2010, 01:45 AM
its easy to make money. real easy.
the trick is being able to accumulate it.
think about ow much money has passed thru your hands in the past 30 days.

out of that money, how much was unnecessary spending?
how much could have been spent by someone else?

Longbongcilvaringz
05-07-2010, 01:51 AM
prove me wrong genius or stfu faggot

you cant

so you should just shut the fuck up

(btw inflation dont count)

lol, you dumb cunt.

I told you before faggit, consider the alternative to a bailout.

Ie. the collapse of your fragile economy.

You'd be complaining even more then (well, actually, i figure you'd probably complain an equal amount no matter what happens, because inactive pussies like you are just like that).

Maybe you should shut the fuck up, considering you constantly espouse a bullshit opinion on subjects you are completely ignorant of.

You believe anything some faggit on the internet tells you, and have the audacity to call other people they're sheep.

Sit down cunt.

EAGLE EYE
05-07-2010, 02:05 AM
lmao!


This site needs to banish some user groups and take the following names into consideration:

Inactive Pussehs

Wack WallStreet.

aiRship SwaBBie
05-07-2010, 02:29 AM
Hahaha! I was laughing thinking of things to write until i took several step back and realized whats the proper response towards this...

the most positive one is, "I can't wait when the time comes to take our earth back!" :)

Edgar Erebus
05-07-2010, 04:52 AM
Hahaha! I was laughing thinking of things to write until i took several step back and realized whats the proper response towards this...

the most positive one is, "I can't wait when the time comes to take our earth back!" :)

A revolutionary doesn't wait for the conditions for revolution to be made, but actively works on making those conditions. (Lenin)

But y'all (and me, to be clear) sit on the internet and look smart to ourselves.

InsurgenT
05-07-2010, 05:42 AM
As the energy wave approaches the conciousness is rising and TPTB is desperatly tring to create chaos, fear and hate to lower our vibration and keep us traped in the state we are now. But they will fail.

diggy
05-07-2010, 05:55 AM
Just like crisis reveals a man's real true character. Money only magnifies a person's real values. If they are shallow inside, they will only care about shallow things. If they value not people and relationships, they will behave as if they can be bought and sold.

I agree.

PALEHORSE
05-07-2010, 09:15 AM
hhaha way to prove me wrong rat fakeman

keep up the self ethers douchbag

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Ol' Dirty Trixˣ
05-07-2010, 09:56 AM
you know the greeks should take a leaf out of the french's book.

when the french decide they don't agree with something, they stand united, the whole country all get in their trucks and block all the roads. gridlock.

a lot easier than rioting against feds, plus you can bump you fave tracks and just chill, or text, or call someone. bring some food and a flask and you're sorted.

PALEHORSE
05-07-2010, 10:19 AM
word. what trixx said. we dont need a violent revolution we need to just not cooperate with the system on a large mass scale

and just prove im right a lil more. the deficiet was what 9 trillion when bush left? now the national debt is like 52 trillion.

use your fucking head pat, you know thaat thing attached to your neck that your uncle used to stick his dick in.

LORD NOSE
05-07-2010, 10:29 AM
many words of wisdom in this thread

aiRship SwaBBie
05-07-2010, 11:41 AM
A revolutionary doesn't wait for the conditions for revolution to be made, but actively works on making those conditions. (Lenin)

But y'all (and me, to be clear) sit on the internet and look smart to ourselves.

I feel where your coming from. its all about that will of fire! peace.

Ol' Dirty Trixˣ
05-07-2010, 11:49 AM
and that thing about pensions. my nurse is gonna be forced to retire soon, it's not fair. she can still do her job i don't see why she's being forced to retire cos of her age. the uk is giving money to those who don't wanna work and forcing the ones that do want to work into retirement. it don't make sense.

TSA
05-07-2010, 01:27 PM
What do you mean the first time?

i was being sacrastic being that europe is known for political and sports fueled riots.
Similar shit happened in France less than a few years ago.



The Greek pension arrangement is crazy, they get paid something like 80% of there wages and only have to work a minimum of 35 years to qualify

Also, (and i can't remember the specifics) but in Greece a company firing an employing effectively costs them more than keeping them on there salary.

If you're fired you are entitled to pay for 50% of the days you had worked for that company. It's meant to ease the transition from job to job, but instead results in it almost never being efficient to fire someone.

In a time of economic downturn like now, unemployment is compounded by this. Not to mention companies that do have to lay people off sinking further into debt as a result.

It's socialism gone mad in some of these countries. Italy has similar pension schemes (although not quite the same ridiculous industrial laws)



lol, no you're fucking not, you'll be lucky to make it off the couch dough boy. Along with most of the other obese and paranoid "revolutionaries" in your country.

I like how the American's in this thread just dropped in to pretend they knew something about the situation, and to tell everyone that the US were doing to beat Europe in the rioting stakes.
i would have to agree that the americans in this thread have been saying ridiculous ass fuckin shit.



this is a riot. it's all. it's not the end of the new world order or a shifting in dimensions, it's pissed of greeks being pissed off.
riots happen all the time, it ain't that deep.

Longbongcilvaringz
05-07-2010, 01:36 PM
That's bullshit about the French standing united quite frankly. It's some romanticised notion which has no basis in fact.

Again, you only have to look back a few years when the poverty stricken immigrant community of France was rioting.

I didn't see any middle class community leaders championing their cause.

And Palehorse, i said you were an idiot, not that Obama's administration hasn't spent the most money. You seem to think that saying they have spent this money is somehow meaningful.

You're working on the most simplistic of levels which is basically "err, the government like shouldn't spend tax payers err money because like, it is my money and err i don't want it spent".

You are a fucking imbecile Pale, with the most rudimentary understanding of state finances.

I outlined why spending that much money was the lesser of two evils, you didn't address the point you just talked about the deficit, in the most idiotic of manners.

You think the economic conditions in a country are solely determined by the government which is in power during that period. Which is enough to tell me that you are too ignorant on the subject matter to bother continuing this discussion.

The current economic situation in the US has nothing to do with Obama, very little to do with Bush and something to do with Clinton.

You'd think as an American you'd at least have some grasp of this, but instead you're either too stupid or too ignorant to even comprehend that.

RALPH WIGGUM
05-07-2010, 02:24 PM
That's bullshit about the French standing united quite frankly. It's some romanticised notion which has no basis in fact.

Again, you only have to look back a few years when the poverty stricken immigrant community of France was rioting.

I didn't see any middle class community leaders championing their cause.



Thats because those riots were not actually started because of economy, it started because of two cops who ran over and killed two kids.These riots were much exaggerated in the foreign medias, Yeah a few cars were burnt and a few cops were shot at, but thats also cos once a project is on tv, others get jealous and want to show they're hard. It was never that serious, and comparing it to the situation in Greece is ridiculous.
This is different, the middle class is now being fucked as well, and communists' arguments are making more and more sense. I wouldn't be surprised if something serious happened in the years to come.

Ol' Dirty Trixˣ
05-07-2010, 03:23 PM
Pat, look up french blockades.

EAGLE EYE
05-07-2010, 03:27 PM
Pat, look up french toast.

TSA
05-07-2010, 03:29 PM
there was also riots in france around that time cause the government was cutting some type of benefit or something. i wanna say student riots?

PALEHORSE
05-07-2010, 03:30 PM
And Palehorse, i said you were an idiot, not that Obama's administration hasn't spent the most money. You seem to think that saying they have spent this money is somehow meaningful.

how the fuck is bankrupting the country and states not meaningful?
and also if they would have let the free market take it course and let those companies go down yea it would have been bad for a little but it would have got better.

NOW its going to be 10X worse when the collapse does come and its going to be longer
and i dont think america will ever fully recover afterwards

Edgar Erebus
05-07-2010, 03:46 PM
you know the greeks should take a leaf out of the french's book.

when the french decide they don't agree with something, they stand united, the whole country all get in their trucks and block all the roads. gridlock.

a lot easier than rioting against feds, plus you can bump you fave tracks and just chill, or text, or call someone. bring some food and a flask and you're sorted.

Yeah tell me about it. This whole car burning riot shit basically started in France.

EAGLE EYE
05-07-2010, 03:46 PM
France also invented ass-2-mouth

Ol' Dirty Trixˣ
05-07-2010, 03:50 PM
well then they have come up with a better idea. gotta give them that. you'd make a better impact if you got the whole country come to a halt. no one needs to get hurt.

Edgar Erebus
05-07-2010, 03:51 PM
France also invented ass-2-mouthAnd Puff Daddy invented the remix. Your point?

Longbongcilvaringz
05-07-2010, 03:55 PM
And Palehorse, i said you were an idiot, not that Obama's administration hasn't spent the most money. You seem to think that saying they have spent this money is somehow meaningful.

how the fuck is bankrupting the country and states not meaningful?
and also if they would have let the free market take it course and let those companies go down yea it would have been bad for a little but it would have got better.

NOW its going to be 10X worse when the collapse does come and its going to be longer
and i dont think america will ever fully recover afterwards

haha, probably the biggest understatement you've made yet.

It would have been catastrophic, you look at the state of the US economy even with the huge government financial injection, how can you say "it would have been bad for a little bit".

So let me get this straight, you subscribe the notion of an unregulated free market?

Theoretically the market should correct itself, but since the US does not have a free market, how do you suppose this would have happened?

Deregulation (under Clinton and Greenspan) is what allowed for the interconnectedness which amplified the sub prime loan crisis. Increased regulation would have gone a long way to preventing the aftermath and consequent recession.

The Free Market as a theory is great, but it is not practiced in the US.

To now say that you are going to let the market punish inefficient participants, whos downfall would all but destroy their counter parts additionally, is crazy.

I'm not defending Obama, all he's trying to do is please as many possible voters as possible, but you can't blame him. A bailout was inevitable and the price which this administration had to pay for the discrepancies of past governments.

Come Honor Face
05-07-2010, 04:00 PM
haha, probably the biggest understatement you've made yet.

It would have been catastrophic, you look at the state of the US economy even with the huge government financial injection, how can you say "it would have been bad for a little bit".

So let me get this straight, you subscribe the notion of an unregulated free market?

Theoretically the market should correct itself, but since the US does not have a free market, how do you suppose this would have happened?

Deregulation (under Clinton and Greenspan) is what allowed for the interconnectedness which amplified the sub prime loan crisis. Increased regulation would have gone a long way to preventing the aftermath and consequent recession.

The Free Market as a theory is great, but it is not practiced in the US.

To now say that you are going to let the market punish inefficient participants, whos downfall would all but destroy their counter parts additionally, is crazy.

I'm not defending Obama, all he's trying to do is please as many possible voters as possible, but you can't blame him. A bailout was inevitable and the price which this administration had to pay for the discrepancies of past governments.

Agreed. You can't blame Obama for that shit. No president would have dared taking the risk of not signing the bailout bill. He had NO CHOICE! LMAO @ "It would have been bad for a little bit" Having your penis melted off with a blowtorch would hurt a little bit too.

Longbongcilvaringz
05-07-2010, 04:06 PM
Trixx, the 2006 French "protests" which were effectively riots were as the result of government plans to introduce new youth labour laws.

These riots were related to the 2005 riots, which were not just about those two teenagers who died, that was simply the trigger.

DirtMCgirt you're referring to an incident in 2007, which resulting in a similar but smaller situation.

My point was, in all these incidents the French didn't "stand together" it was clearly just a sub set of society which was demonstrating (young immigrants and the youth in general).

RzaRectum
05-07-2010, 04:08 PM
That's bullshit about the French standing united quite frankly. It's some romanticised notion which has no basis in fact.

Again, you only have to look back a few years when the poverty stricken immigrant community of France was rioting.

I didn't see any middle class community leaders championing their cause.

And Palehorse, i said you were an idiot, not that Obama's administration hasn't spent the most money. You seem to think that saying they have spent this money is somehow meaningful.

You're working on the most simplistic of levels which is basically "err, the government like shouldn't spend tax payers err money because like, it is my money and err i don't want it spent".

You are a fucking imbecile Pale, with the most rudimentary understanding of state finances.

I outlined why spending that much money was the lesser of two evils, you didn't address the point you just talked about the deficit, in the most idiotic of manners.

You think the economic conditions in a country are solely determined by the government which is in power during that period. Which is enough to tell me that you are too ignorant on the subject matter to bother continuing this discussion.

The current economic situation in the US has nothing to do with Obama, very little to do with Bush and something to do with Clinton.

You'd think as an American you'd at least have some grasp of this, but instead you're either too stupid or too ignorant to even comprehend that.

IDK. I myself had also misconstrued your arguement as a request for proof on his statement when you said the following.
lol, that's an understatement if i ever saw one.

You don't know much about shit, comments like "not to mention he spent more money then all the presidents before him combined." demonstrate your arrogant ignorance.


I disagree on the economic situation connected to the usPrez's. Going to war has cost the US a pretty penny. The following document states numbers in the arena of 944 BILLION DOLLARS. No one, but the Commander In Chief can approve the allocation of such funds in this magnitude.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL33110.pdf

So I'm not sure why you would say the President's have no hand in the current economic situation when they clearly do. How could the economy be influenced differently had the funds been appropriated for housing developments, more grant money for start up businesses, better funding for college education assistance? I've never qualified for financial aid from the government, but have always felt I should have been able to. How many people could that help vs letting people get killed overseas while America sticks it's nose up another country's ass?


Here is what Linda Bilmes wrote in the Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/07/AR2008030702846.html
The Iraq War Will Cost Us $3 Trillion, and Much More











By Linda J. Bilmes and Joseph E. Stiglitz
Sunday, March 9, 2008

There is no such thing as a free lunch, and there is no such thing as a free war. The Iraq adventure has seriously weakened the U.S. economy, whose woes now go far beyond loose mortgage lending. You can't spend $3 trillion -- yes, $3 trillion -- on a failed war abroad and not feel the pain at home.
Some people will scoff at that number, but we've done the math. Senior Bush administration aides certainly pooh-poohed worrisome estimates in the run-up to the war. Former White House economic adviser Lawrence Lindsey reckoned that the conflict would cost $100 billion to $200 billion; Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld later called his estimate "baloney." Administration officials insisted that the costs would be more like $50 billion to $60 billion. In April 2003, Andrew S. Natsios, the thoughtful head of the U.S. Agency for International Development, said on "Nightline" that reconstructing Iraq would cost the American taxpayer just $1.7 billion. Ted Koppel, in disbelief, pressed Natsios on the question, but Natsios stuck to his guns. Others in the administration, such as Deputy Defense Secretary Paul D. Wolfowitz, hoped that U.S. partners would chip in, as they had in the 1991 Persian Gulf War, or that Iraq's oil would pay for the damages.
The end result of all this wishful thinking? As we approach the fifth anniversary of the invasion, Iraq is not only the second longest war in U.S. history (after Vietnam), it is also the second most costly -- surpassed only by World War II.
Why doesn't the public understand the staggering scale of our expenditures? In part because the administration talks only about the upfront costs, which are mostly handled by emergency appropriations. (Iraq funding is apparently still an emergency five years after the war began.) These costs, by our calculations, are now running at $12 billion a month -- $16 billion if you include Afghanistan. By the time you add in the costs hidden in the defense budget, the money we'll have to spend to help future veterans, and money to refurbish a military whose equipment and materiel have been greatly depleted, the total tab to the federal government will almost surely exceed $1.5 trillion.
But the costs to our society and economy are far greater. When a young soldier is killed in Iraq or Afghanistan, his or her family will receive a U.S. government check for just $500,000 (combining life insurance with a "death gratuity") -- far less than the typical amount paid by insurance companies for the death of a young person in a car accident. The stark "budgetary cost" of $500,000 is clearly only a fraction of the total cost society pays for the loss of life -- and no one can ever really compensate the families. Moreover, disability pay seldom provides adequate compensation for wounded troops or their families. Indeed, in one out of five cases of seriously injured soldiers, someone in their family has to give up a job to take care of them.
But beyond this is the cost to the already sputtering U.S. economy. All told, the bill for the Iraq war is likely to top $3 trillion. And that's a conservative estimate.
President Bush tried to sell the American people on the idea that we could have a war with little or no economic sacrifice. Even after the United States went to war, Bush and Congress cut taxes, especially on the rich -- even though the United States already had a massive deficit. So the war had to be funded by more borrowing. By the end of the Bush administration, the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, plus the cumulative interest on the increased borrowing used to fund them, will have added about $1 trillion to the national debt.
The long-term burden of paying for the conflicts will curtail the country's ability to tackle other urgent problems, no matter who wins the presidency in November. Our vast and growing indebtedness inevitably makes it harder to afford new health-care plans, make large-scale repairs to crumbling roads and bridges, or build better-equipped schools. Already, the escalating cost of the wars has crowded out spending on virtually all other discretionary federal programs, including the National Institutes of Health, the Food and Drug Administration, the Environmental Protection Agency, and federal aid to states and cities, all of which have been scaled back significantly since the invasion of Iraq.
To make matters worse, the U.S. economy is facing a recession. But our ability to implement a truly effective economic-stimulus package is crimped by expenditures of close to $200 billion on the two wars this year alone and by a skyrocketing national debt.
The United States is a rich and strong country, but even rich and strong countries squander trillions of dollars at their peril. Think what a difference $3 trillion could make for so many of the United States' -- or the world's -- problems. We could have had a Marshall Plan to help desperately poor countries, winning the hearts and maybe the minds of Muslim nations now gripped by anti-Americanism. In a world with millions of illiterate children, we could have achieved literacy for all -- for less than the price of a month's combat in Iraq. We worry about China's growing influence in Africa, but the upfront cost of a month of fighting in Iraq would pay for more than doubling our annual current aid spending on Africa.
Closer to home, we could have funded countless schools to give children locked in the underclass a shot at decent lives. Or we could have tackled the massive problem of Social Security, which Bush began his second term hoping to address; for far, far less than the cost of the war, we could have ensured the solvency of Social Security for the next half a century or more.
Economists used to think that wars were good for the economy, a notion born out of memories of how the massive spending of World War II helped bring the United States and the world out of the Great Depression. But we now know far better ways to stimulate an economy -- ways that quickly improve citizens' well-being and lay the foundations for future growth. But money spent paying Nepalese workers in Iraq (or even Iraqi ones) doesn't stimulate the U.S. economy the way that money spent at home would -- and it certainly doesn't provide the basis for long-term growth the way investments in research, education or infrastructure would







Another worry: This war has been particularly hard on the economy because it led to a spike in oil prices. Before the 2003 invasion, oil cost less than $25 a barrel, and futures markets expected it to remain around there. (Yes, China and India were growing by leaps and bounds, but cheap supplies from the Middle East were expected to meet their demands.) The war changed that equation, and oil prices recently topped $100 per barrel.
While Washington has been spending well beyond its means, others have been saving -- including the oil-rich countries that, like the oil companies, have been among the few winners of this war. No wonder, then, that China, Singapore and many Persian Gulf emirates have become lenders of last resort for troubled Wall Street banks, plowing in billions of dollars to shore up Citigroup, Merrill Lynch and other firms that burned their fingers on subprime mortgages. How long will it be before the huge sovereign wealth funds controlled by these countries begin buying up large shares of other U.S. assets?
The Bush team, then, is not merely handing over the war to the next administration; it is also bequeathing deep economic problems that have been seriously exacerbated by reckless war financing. We face an economic downturn that's likely to be the worst in more than a quarter-century.
Until recently, many marveled at the way the United States could spend hundreds of billions of dollars on oil and blow through hundreds of billions more in Iraq with what seemed to be strikingly little short-run impact on the economy. But there's no great mystery here. The economy's weaknesses were concealed by the Federal Reserve, which pumped in liquidity, and by regulators that looked away as loans were handed out well beyond borrowers' ability to repay them. Meanwhile, banks and credit-rating agencies pretended that financial alchemy could convert bad mortgages into AAA assets, and the Fed looked the other way as the U.S. household-savings rate plummeted to zero.
It's a bleak picture. The total loss from this economic downturn -- measured by the disparity between the economy's actual output and its potential output -- is likely to be the greatest since the Great Depression. That total, itself well in excess of $1 trillion, is not included in our estimated $3 trillion cost of the war.
Others will have to work out the geopolitics, but the economics here are clear. Ending the war, or at least moving rapidly to wind it down, would yield major economic dividends.
As we head toward November, opinion polls say that voters' main worry is now the economy, not the war. But there's no way to disentangle the two. The United States will be paying the price of Iraq for decades to come. The price tag will be all the greater because we tried to ignore the laws of economics -- and the cost will grow the longer we remain.
linda_bilmes@harvard.edu (linda_bilmes@harvard.edu)
jes322@columbia.edu (%20jes322@columbia.edu)
Linda J. Bilmes, a former chief financial officer at the Commerce Department, teaches at Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government. Joseph E. Stiglitz, a professor at Columbia University, served as chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers under President Bill Clinton. They are co-authors of "The Three Trillion Dollar War: The True Cost of the Iraq Conflict."

Longbongcilvaringz
05-07-2010, 04:25 PM
Calling him ignorant and arrogant in making that statement is in no way a request for proof, i was pointing out that he was completely misinterpreting the bailout (due to his ignorance) while simultaneously being completely condescending (due to his arrogance).

You misunderstand my comment about each administrations impact on the current economic climate.

I did not say that a current administration would have no hand in the economic climate, i was rebutting Palehorses assertion that Obama had caused the current economic downturn via his bailout scheme.

The effects of any significant action made by an administration are only going to be felt, in general, after their term of office has expired.

In this case, i was referring specifically to the sub prime mortgage situation, but it is also true more broadly.

Obviously the war is extremely costly, and has had an exacerbating influence on America's economic downturn, but it is not the cause. It has greatly increased US debt etc. but it's effect on US businesses is less important.

The economic cost is severe but by itself isn't as damaging as a crisis which harms all participants in an economy immediately (ie. the sub prime mortgage crisis).

The article is actually illustrative of my point, because the huge military spending under Bush and Obama will be felt most profoundly in the next 10 and 20 years.

Something to look forward to :)

TheBoarzHeadBoy
05-07-2010, 04:33 PM
Look here's the real problem.

We've created a top heavy country. We don't have the proper ratio of working poor, middle class, and wealthy. Society is supposed to be stratified. There is too much money locked up among a small section of the population, the middle class is the shrinking band between the working poor and the ultrarich. The very rich have managed to collect the capital of the middle class, and the middle class is bleeding into the lower class. The lower class is being bribed into submission by the upper class through "socialism" which is effectively "I'll throw you a bone if you keep electing me." This is problematic because it erodes the values of the working society and creates a pool of over entitled people who are able to live off the money of others. In Greece everyone get's the best stuff. That isn't realistic. If you don't reward people like that then the rest will pay into the system and you will have actual money to go around.

Here's the thing people don't understand. Capitalism is perfect. No one gets a raw deal in a capitalistic society. All capitalism is is trade. I have 10 dollars, you have X. You want my money, I want your product. We trade. Now you can spend the money on what you want. Now I have what I want. Everyone is happy. People however screw with the system by tweaking the variables and playing games which throws off the process, derailing the entire system. That's what caused this. It wasn't capitalism, it was scammers and crooks.

You can't be playing games with this shit. It's not a game. People die when you try to play God with the system and get your pay illegitimately. Market speculation is fine, gambling is okay when you have the money to wager. It's the companies that provide complex loans for making investments that cause the problem.

The house market is going up because people think they're smart enough and lucky enough to jump in (which itself drives up the market) and smart enough to jump ship before it starts going down. That's fine. When it goes down they just sell their stock or property before it falls further. No big deal. Other people will hold on because they think it's just a bump in the road upwards. No big deal. But when people take out loans they can only pay using the interest they make off their investments and overstretch their resources because "everyone is doing it" and think it's safe they invite disaster. If it goes down or stops going up for any period of time and you can't keep paying your loan's interest with the stock's interest you can't stay in, so you sell everything and try to pay off the loan and end up with a little debt. But it starts falling. Now everyone starts jumping ship and it sinks until it plummets. Now the people who bought a house for 350,000 expecting it to be worth 400,000 in a few years find out their house is going to be worth half of what they paid for it. This totally fucks up the economy. On top of that people who were living in a house off of money they expected to make when they sold it (house flippers) are now in debt. It all spirals out of control from there.

The problem isn't the market. You don't need all these bail outs. They just delay the crash. The problem is the system as it exists. The boom and bust cycle will destroy us all. It's all mathematics. You cannot exist in these sorts of inflated societies and prosper. Rome fell because they lived too well when they were actually falling apart under pressures they ignored rather then meet head on because "things are so well." You can't live in a fantasy world. You can't take out loans you can only pay off if you're lucky. You don't get a second mortgage to buy lottery tickets. You get 100,000 tickets. But you still are more likely to fail then succeed by a large margin. Sure you've got 100,000 chances to win, you've also got 300 million chances someone else does... And if they do it's not 1 dollar lost it's 100,000 dollars plus interest.

It's not Capitalism that's wrong. It's unscrupulous smart people and idiots thinking they can play games with the big dogs. This shit isn't obvious. I don't have any idea how it works I only understand the underlying basic supply+demand principles.

RzaRectum
05-07-2010, 04:40 PM
Ok, sorry for the misunderstanding. Now that you've reframed your statements I can see what you meant. Also, I agree, Obama is not entirely responsible for the economic downturn. He walked into a mess and is expected to clean it up. But I do believe he did push a teetering economy over the edge with this bailout, bills, and the executive orders he signed during his first month of presidency. Easy to criticize, hard to do it yourself, right? Yes.

But, I did hear that he was in a rush to get the executive orders signed, because he would have had great difficulty executing them had he waited for his honeymoon period to expire post-election. Honeymoon period or not, a lot of feathers were ruffled on the right wing over this. haha


LOL.. Yea thanks, something to look forward to..

Ol' Dirty Trixˣ
05-07-2010, 04:49 PM
Trixx, the 2006 French "protests" which were effectively riots were as the result of government plans to introduce new youth labour laws.

These riots were related to the 2005 riots, which were not just about those two teenagers who died, that was simply the trigger.




http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/904664.stm

Thursday, 31 August, 2000, 14:48 GMT 15:48 UK French blockade lifted

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Fishermen were overjoyed at news of a deal


French fishermen have called off their blockade at the Channel tunnel in Calais after reports that their government had agreed to compensate them for the rising cost of fuel. And P&O Stena Line have announced that its ferry sailings between Dover and Calais have also resumed.
Protest leaders said they were "satisfied" with the outcome of talks with French agriculture minister Jean Glavany.
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It is over and we have won
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Jose Huleux
It is understood the French government has agreed to reduce social security contributions for the fishermen, offsetting the cost of diesel.
There were also reports that the government may reduce their port charges.
Eight boats, which had been blocking ferry traffic at Calais, tooted their horns and let of a red smoke flare before returning to the quayside.
The last fisherman to step off his boat was Jose Huleux, president of the Calais union of fishermen.
Waving in triumph, he said: "It is over and we have won."
Heading home
Stranded holidaymakers were allowed through all eight lanes of the Eurotunnel terminal within 20 minutes of the blockade being lifted.
The ferry companies were however waiting for news of the apparent deal to reach demonstrators at the ports of Boulogne, St Malo, Cherbourg and Dunkirk. P&O Stena said one of its ferries which had been diverted to Zeebrugge in Belgium had redirected back to Calais.
A spokesman for the company said services would not be back to normal until Friday morning.
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A woman tries to stop the protesters vans advancing


Secretary of the Fishermen's Union Andre Fauchet was unable to confirm whether the blockades at these ports had been lifted.
It is expected to take some time to clear the backlog of passengers waiting to get across the Channel.
Similarly, in the UK there are queues of truckers on the M20 motorway in Kent reported to be five miles long.
Angry scenes
Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott told BBC News 24 that a long-term strategy should be introduced to prevent the British being affected by "what is essentially a French problem".
"It is totally unacceptable that Britain could be held to ransom in this kind of blockade raising out of a dispute in France," Mr Prescott said.
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The stranded British holidaymakers tussled with protesters



The disputes began in channel ports, forcing their closure on Wednesday. It spread to the Calais entrance of the Eurotunnel on Thursday.
This sparked fury among stranded British holidaymakers in Calais, because the tunnel was the only French-UK route that was available.
There were angry scenes between demonstrators and British holidaymakers enraged at the blockade after queuing overnight, with tourists forcing their way through the barricades.
Caroline Chetwood, 46, of Surrey, said: "I am never coming to France again.
"I do not see how a very few fishermen can hold so many people to ransom. In my book that is blackmail."
Farm workers' support
The protests had struck a chord with workers in other sectors of the French economy, and there were fears the disruption could spread to farmers, truck drivers and taxi drivers.
The protest also hit ports on the Atlantic coast and shut down the huge Mediterranean port of Marseille, blocking traffic to Corsica and North Africa.
In Paris, French fishermen clashed with the police, BBC News 24 reported.
About 700 protesters took part in an unauthorised demonstration ahead of a union meeting with French Agriculture Minister Jean Glavany.


the government backed down that time.





http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2507387.stm

Monday, 25 November, 2002, 17:41 GMT French blockades herald travel chaos

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38510000/jpg/_38510577_flagap300.jpg The blockades have targeted lorries


French lorry drivers have set up dozens of roadblocks after the collapse of talks with employers over pay. But worse misery for travellers is threatened after the cancellation of at least 280 flights ahead of an unrelated strike by air traffic controllers, due to begin on Monday evening.
The French rail network and other parts of the public sector are expected to be hit by strikes on Tuesday.
In the lorry drivers' dispute, about 30 blockades were in place across France by early Monday - but disruption was relatively small, and only 15 blockades were reported to be still in place by late afternoon.
The action was targeted mainly at commercial rather than private traffic.
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The lads are very mobilised, they are going for it
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Maxime Dumont
CFDT union
Regional officials in Lower Normandy were forced to introduce petrol rationing after panic-buying by motorists fearing shortages.


Police intervened to break up several protests, but drivers were reported to be moving blockades from one place to another to avoid having their driving licences confiscated.
Click here for a map of key blockade locations (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2507387.stm#map)

Flights hit
As air traffic controllers prepared to walk out on Monday evening, airlines slashed their schedules.
British Airways said at least 64 flights on Monday and Tuesday were being scrapped, and Air France said a "large number" of its services would be hit, without specifying how many.
Smaller carriers flying into France from other European countries were also cancelling dozens of flights.
The air strike is in sympathy with a walkout and mass marches called on Tuesday by railway staff and other public service workers who are opposed to moves towards privatisation.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38502000/jpg/_38502189_france_cars_ap150.jpg Thousands of motorists have stocked up with extra fuel



Road blockades sprang up in dozens of locations throughout France, notably near the airport in Marseille, at wholesale markets in Toulouse and Lille, the Tancarville bridge over the river Seine in Normandy, the A7 motorway south of Lyon and the A6 motorway south of Paris - though some of these were later reported to have been dismantled.
The ring road around the western city of Caen was also blocked, and more barricades were set up near the northern port of Le Havre, and at a key entry point to the motorway from the north to Paris.
In most cases the lorry drivers were halting other lorries, and allowing private motorists through.
Queues built up at some petrol stations as nervous drivers stocked up with extra fuel.
In Lower Normandy, local authorities limited motorists to purchases of no more than 20 litres (5.3 gallons) per car.
Cross-channel shoppers and lorry drivers were bracing themselves for impact, as the unions insisted they were determined to make their mark.
"The lads are very mobilised - they are going for it," Maxime Dumont from the CFDT union said.
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The right to strike must not be confused with blockading the country
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Gilles de Robien
Transport Minister
Union leaders warned that major industrial targets like fuel depots would be targeted in a second phase if talks remained deadlocked.
Key economic sites, including fuel depots and border crossings, were reportedly under police observation.
"The right to strike must not be confused with blockading the country," said Transport Minister Gilles de Robien.
"We are urging all lorry drivers very strongly to abstain from any action likely to disrupt the economic life of the country," he said.
Pay dispute
Lorry drivers are split over the pay deal on offer.
Four smaller unions - the FO, CFTC, CGC and FNCR - have provisionally accepted a 14% rise over three years.
But the two bigger unions, the CFDT and CGT - which represent more than half of French lorry drivers - rejected the package.
They want an extra month's pay - a common practice in France - and a 10% reduction in working hours.
Employers say they cannot meet the demands because their profits have shrunk as a result of growing competition from elsewhere in the EU.
With shared borders with six countries and ferry and tunnel links with Britain, French blockades could have repercussions across Europe.


air traffic controllers, railway staff and other public service workers got involved. no mention of anyone fighting with feds, i don't know if they got what they want or how it panned out, though.

Edgar Erebus
05-07-2010, 04:55 PM
You just don't get it, do you?

Yeah, capitalism is perfect, free market is great idea too bad it's not in practice, yadda yadda yadda.

And then, when a Bush comes and starts actually implementing this shit, retreating the state from the business, people start earning money by making stupid financial bubbles which sooner or later burst, and then they are begging the same state they didn't wanted to get rid of before for an unconditional bailout.

And I wouldn't say anything if this was the first time, but the same shit happened two times in 20th century only and who knows how many times before.

Longbongcilvaringz
05-07-2010, 04:56 PM
Look, i think i was too crude and maybe unfair when i made those comments about what Pale said earlier.

Sorry Pale.

It's just that sometimes you say which is clearly not true, as if it were fact, with an all knowing petulance.

Me calling you a cunt probably doesn't aid in any discussion though :)

Boarz is dead on with his comments also, but i don't know if you can really say Capitalism is perfect without a functioning model. Theoretically it is great, but what isn't?

A pure form of capitalism is as unrealistic as communism, and contradicts human tendencies in a different manner.

Communism stifles competition.

But people invariably view the brutal nature of a free market as too harsh, i can't think of a benevolent society that would tolerate pure capitalism because it crushes inefficiency.

I really think there is a hybridise form of socialised capitalism which could work, but the balance seems nearly impossible to reach.

Greece and the US are two good examples, because they both demonstrate getting this balance completely wrong, in opposite ways.

The US dabbles in socialism and regulation, but it is basically tokenism.

In Greece you have a form a decadent socialism operating beyond it's means.

Both will fail in the long run.

EAGLE EYE
05-07-2010, 05:50 PM
nice essays

TheBoarzHeadBoy
05-07-2010, 11:32 PM
Well my optimistic view is that with some faith we will pull through this mess (as a planet) and keep getting better and maybe even learn from our mistakes.

My pessimistic view is that society builds up to a catastrophic collapse every one to two thousand years (in the west we have right now, the fall of Rome, the fall of Mycenae etc.). I can live with that... If I survive it.

RALPH WIGGUM
05-08-2010, 09:25 AM
Sean Bateman, the 2006 events you're reffering to were indeed related to the youth labour laws, I took part in those events, they were mostly demonstrations, and it involved a lot of people. You're saying we didn't stand united, yet we forced the government to forget about these labour laws. They were never voted..

etze
05-08-2010, 02:31 PM
i'm from greece (not proud for that but nvm)
i gotta tell u that the whole thing is fucked up
these riots are not taking place cuz of the salaries being reduced
those thousands of people are rioting cuz politicals stole millions of euros for their personal lives. there are 300 representatives in greek parliament and ALL of them have like 10 villas, 5-6 boats and 2-3 personal jets or whatever
the problem of people is that noone of them did anything and cuz of those retards in parliament we will get our ass kicked with that austerity
and u know, salaries r being reduced, products' prices rise, taxes are increased like hell too. i've also have to mention that greece is one of the most expensive countries in the world.


so we wont stop fighting them, 2 days before protesters tried to enter parliament, cops were 'shooting' people with pepper sprays and throwing chemicals so we didnt make it.
next time we will be many more and that'll be bad for those thiefs

the bad thing is that 3 people were killed in a bank that went on fire after some molotov cocktails.. noone knew there were people inside, doors were locked and the bank is on the way to the parliament. this was kinda shit

RALPH WIGGUM
05-08-2010, 02:54 PM
^plus I heard the bank was the only thing still open on that day, and that the employer said that whoever wouldn't come would be fired, I guess that dude didn't like to lose time, he prolly didn't insist on making fire drills much.

etze
05-08-2010, 03:45 PM
^plus I heard the bank was the only thing still open on that day, and that the employer said that whoever wouldn't come would be fired, I guess that dude didn't like to lose time, he prolly didn't insist on making fire drills much.

well its true that bank was the only thing opened that day. and yes, from what the rescued people told, their boss treated them

Edgar Erebus
05-08-2010, 06:42 PM
i'm from greece (not proud for that but nvm)

Say that to any Macedonian and you'll get a kiss.

i gotta tell u that the whole thing is fucked up
these riots are not taking place cuz of the salaries being reduced
those thousands of people are rioting cuz politicals stole millions of euros for their personal lives. there are 300 representatives in greek parliament and ALL of them have like 10 villas, 5-6 boats and 2-3 personal jets or whatever
the problem of people is that noone of them did anything and cuz of those retards in parliament we will get our ass kicked with that austerity
and u know, salaries r being reduced, products' prices rise, taxes are increased like hell too. i've also have to mention that greece is one of the most expensive countries in the world.


so we wont stop fighting them, 2 days before protesters tried to enter parliament, cops were 'shooting' people with pepper sprays and throwing chemicals so we didnt make it.
next time we will be many more and that'll be bad for those thiefs

the bad thing is that 3 people were killed in a bank that went on fire after some molotov cocktails.. noone knew there were people inside, doors were locked and the bank is on the way to the parliament. this was kinda shit

Thank you for info. About the expensiveness comment, I've been in Greece cca. 5 years ago and I thought they were shitting me, two fucking euros for a nescafe, sold as "greek coffee". GTFO.


(And if I was you, I'd lay low, Greeks are bargain game in these parts of forum)

PALEHORSE
05-14-2010, 11:53 AM
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etze
05-19-2010, 07:29 PM
In about 8 hours another general strike starts here..
there shuld be more people out in the streets this day.