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blackwisdom
10-05-2005, 08:13 PM
I'm not going to lie; I don't know a lot about all of the details in the question that I'm asking. Here's a dialog I had with a friend today. I'll lay it out for you:

Me:
What ethnicity do you claim?
Her
Hispanic
That's what I thought you would say.
What do you mean.
How come american (northern, central, southern) aboriginal people call theirselves "Spanish?"
You know what I never thought of that.
I was just thinking today that these Native Americans were here for thousands of years and all of a sudden Imperialistic Spaniards came and changed the language and added to Native Cultures; and all of a sudden you're all Hispanic. Where did that come from.
I don't know... (and the conversation went on about her Great Grand Parents being born in Mexico City and all. We just built a little bit after that, and I opened some questions for her. I told her some things about the pyramids and native technology.)

My question to you guys is;

How has the Black and Brown people gotten to the state where we identify ourselves according to Imperialistic ideologies to the point where we're forgotten our own? I know about Jim Crow and all, but how has this process become so encompassing on every aspect of our very identities that we lost our own? This is very serious and deep. Even with my understanding that it's in the imperialists' nature to do so, I'm still in awe.

Hit this up folks, and lets try to build positively. Lets not focus soo much on stop hating on white people and focus on historical fact.

Peace be unto you

Wooly Noggins
10-05-2005, 09:46 PM
The conqueror calls us

HIS Spanish Property - Hispanic

and alot of different types of people all fall under this title

we lost our way back to our own because the conqueror claims what was once ours

another strange name they use is Latino

how are people who are not born in latin america called latino

and how did latin america become latin america when latin is the language that was spoken in rome

manhattan360
10-05-2005, 10:34 PM
I dont even like calling myself hispanic or latino thats wut they label me but thorught the years of clolism this things they tell u are incerted into your mind after 400 years of that my granma she is very racist she think she;s white or wants to be white that they whey she was raised its like my brother with no knowledge african americans now beliving in jesus and god and all this stuff over there its the same for the caribean and south american countries they playing with our heads to control us and not to rebel they dont want u to know the true god thats why i call my self asiatic or mutt

tajeco
10-05-2005, 10:56 PM
Have you taken Anthropology is college, it talks about stuff like that, you might like it.

Os3y3ris
10-05-2005, 11:30 PM
Hispanics call themselves that because they're no longer Aztecs or what have you. The Spanish came, they conquered and they stayed. As unfortunate as that may be, thats reality and its reflected in the people there, both culturally and genetically.

TeknicelStylez
10-05-2005, 11:31 PM
IDK if everytime someone asked me my nationality I can't be like, "dadadadadad" and ramble. I know and you know what the deal is, some puerto ricans call themselves Tajinos, but when they say that people just look at em sideways. Why go through all the trouble of knowledging everybody else about your heritage, as long as YOU know who the fuck gives what label you carry, its just a LABEL but the real product is YOU.

Words only hold whatever meaning you put into them.

7ess
10-05-2005, 11:57 PM
I get asked what my ethnicity is every fucking day - no lie, its too complicated to break down for some dude on the street so i usually say Latina or mutt if I'm annoyed, i think its a rude ? when you don't even know that persons name and at the end of the day who really gives a fuck. I overstand your question tho...

SubtleEnergies
10-06-2005, 07:49 AM
I think of this coz my mum is SPANISH! From SPAIN.

So many times on the net and real life too I will ask someone their nationality and they go "spanish". So I am like you're from spain? and they are like "nah, argentina, el salvador..." or wahtever....idiots.

And people even call spanish people latin....wtf...
I don't see how south Americans are LATIN or HISPANIC. It's insulting to both cultures, not to mention fucking confusing.

Kephrem
10-06-2005, 08:15 AM
I'm not going to lie; I don't know a lot about all of the details in the question that I'm asking. Here's a dialog I had with a friend today. I'll lay it out for you:

Me:
What ethnicity do you claim?
Her
Hispanic
That's what I thought you would say.
What do you mean.
How come american (northern, central, southern) aboriginal people call theirselves "Spanish?"

She called herself Hispanic, then you come back and ask her why do people of Latin America call themselves Spanish. I never met a Hispanic person that refers to themselves as Spanish if they are not directly linked to Spain. It's always uninformed non-Hispanics that use "Spanish" when describing people of Latin America.






You know what I never thought of that.
I was just thinking today that these Native Americans were here for thousands of years and all of a sudden Imperialistic Spaniards came and changed the language and added to Native Cultures; and all of a sudden you're all Hispanic. Where did that come from.

Hispanic
"pertaining to Spain" (especially ancient Spain) 1584, from L. Hispania "Iberian Peninsula," from Hispanus "Spaniard" (see Spaniard). Specific application to Sp.-speaking parts of the New World is 1889, Amer.Eng.; esp. applied since 1972 to Sp.-speaking persons of Latin American descent living in U.S.

Kephrem
10-06-2005, 08:27 AM
Hispanics call themselves that because they're no longer Aztecs

You're giving out wrong information. It's the many Mexicans and Mexican Americans that are descendent of Aztecs, not Hispanics in general.

As for your comment it's like saying some African Americans don't any longer say they're African.

or what have you. The Spanish came, they conquered and they stayed. As unfortunate as that may be, thats reality and its reflected in the people there, both culturally and genetically.

In some areas the Spanish influence is hardly visible, neither in genetics (there's many pure indians spread out throughout that country, I assume you meant Mexico) and culturally among those who are still tied to their roots you can still find the amerindian overlapping the spanish influence.

SubtleEnergies
10-06-2005, 08:28 AM
Well every latino I have met nearly has called themselves spanish. Maybe in Australia its different?

Kephrem
10-06-2005, 08:32 AM
Are you sure they're not from Spain?

Born Ruler I
10-06-2005, 09:53 AM
Hispanic just means you come from a Spanish speaking culture. It is not an ethnicity or race.

And Black and Native people whose primary language is Spanish are products of the same system which made Black and Native people English or Portugese speakers.

Triangle slave trade, colonization, manifest destiny, white supremacy...

One

TeknicelStylez
10-06-2005, 10:04 AM
Fuck all this shit, I'm fucking "Hispanic" and I don't give a fuck.

Anybody that looks at me and doesn't see my "Spain" heritage is obviously blind. I got a family tree traced all the way back to the canary islands, where the Mendoza family was noble, than we migrated to Cuba and became farmers.

blackwisdom
10-06-2005, 11:06 AM
IDK if everytime someone asked me my nationality I can't be like, "dadadadadad" and ramble. I know and you know what the deal is, some puerto ricans call themselves Tajinos, but when they say that people just look at em sideways. Why go through all the trouble of knowledging everybody else about your heritage, as long as YOU know who the fuck gives what label you carry, its just a LABEL but the real product is YOU.

Words only hold whatever meaning you put into them.I never heard that before. But that word does mean a lot. If we as people start to call ourselves what we are, then it'll force a change in what everyone else calls us. Look at Blacks in america. When we demanded that we be called African-Americans, that's what we were called. We've been nigger, coloured, Negro, Black, Afro-American, African-American, Nigga, and then some. I know I'm far reaching, but it's just my thoughts. I can't wait til the day when we can call ourselves, Afrikan. But I'm a big "Visionary." Thank everyone for their posts. I greatly appreciate the positive responses.

Take it easy
Peace

blackwisdom
10-06-2005, 11:11 AM
She called herself Hispanic, then you come back and ask her why do people of Latin America call themselves Spanish. I never met a Hispanic person that refers to themselves as Spanish if they are not directly linked to Spain. It's always uninformed non-Hispanics that use "Spanish" when describing people of Latin America.I meant to type Hispanic. But I feel you though. Thanks for the info.

Take it easy
Peace

blackwisdom
10-06-2005, 11:17 AM
Fuck all this shit, I'm fucking "Hispanic" and I don't give a fuck.

Anybody that looks at me and doesn't see my "Spain" heritage is obviously blind. I got a family tree traced all the way back to the canary islands, where the Mendoza family was noble, than we migrated to Cuba and became farmers.If that's the case I don't think that everyone was referring to you. It's great that you can trace your blood back like that. I need to dig deep to find people that can even know where to begin. If you're Hispanic and that's that you Rep, do it to death.

Take it easy
Peace

7EL7
10-06-2005, 11:49 AM
its deep how we still call ourselves black

the chinese are from china

germans are from germany

indians are from india


blacks are from ...................blackina ?

Born Ruler I
10-06-2005, 01:27 PM
Because we do not know which country or tribe we come from.

One symptom of genocide.

One

Os3y3ris
10-06-2005, 02:27 PM
its deep how we still call ourselves black

the chinese are from china

germans are from germany

indians are from india


blacks are from ...................blackina ?

A lot of blacks label themselves similarly. Ethiopia is like land of the blacks I think. Something like that.

tostones
10-06-2005, 04:11 PM
peace

in this day and age, it appears a very large portion of us latinos are of mixed heritage. Also, it must be noted that "white" refers to Spanish (spaniard) ancestry, which most likely has Moorish influence.

Belize is 48.7 % Mestizo (AmerIndian & White)

Bolvia has 30% Mestizo

Brazil is 38% mixed black and white

Cuba - 51 % Mulatto (black & white mix )

Dominican Republic 73 % mixed black and white

Ecuador is 65% Mestizo

El Salvador 90% Mestizo

Guatemala is 55% Mestizo

Honduras is 90% Mestizo

Mexico is 60% Mestizo

Nicaragua is 69% Mestizo

Panama is 70% Mestizo

Makes you wonder why there aren't more Mestizos in the USA, here its 75% white.


PEACE

Born Ruler I
10-06-2005, 04:22 PM
I've read that there are over 800 Arabic words in the Spanish language...

Definitely a product of the Moors.

One

Prince Rai
10-06-2005, 04:33 PM
not surprised about the arabic being apparent in spanish..

i also learnt that... many of the poor spanish people who assiated in maintaining the ships etc.. doin the dirty work.. were muslim spanish people.. who were oppressed by the christian rulers..

so many of the spanish influences in americas of ordinary spaniards are islamic..

ill get an article of this soon.

Wooly Noggins
10-06-2005, 06:36 PM
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A lot of blacks label themselves similarly. Ethiopia is like land of the blacks I think. Something like that.
yeah land of the burnt faces

land of the burnt people

region of the burnt faces according to websters

for egypt websters just translates it as Black

Kephrem
10-07-2005, 01:06 AM
Some Arabic proper names among Hispanics are: Medina (last name), Omar, Ismael, and Ibrahim. I knew a Yemeni kat from my local bodega I caught him reading El Diaro. (a Spanish Newspaper here in Now Why)

Wooly Noggins
10-07-2005, 12:07 PM
isn't all the european languages bastard languages derived from many other languages

if the answer is yes it further proves who the original man is

TeknicelStylez
10-07-2005, 09:03 PM
isn't all the european languages bastard languages derived from many other languages

if the answer is yes it further proves who the original man isShutup... this is a thread about "hispanics" don't start a fuckin racial war in here.

Os3y3ris
10-07-2005, 09:53 PM
isn't all the european languages bastard languages derived from many other languages

if the answer is yes it further proves who the original man is
You're a moron.

SubtleEnergies
10-07-2005, 10:40 PM
Teckinikel - You sound like a Spaniard whose family moved to South America, that means you would have alot more Spanish in you than South Americans.

Spaniards don't look like south americans. Even the people in my family who are dark resemble Arabs, not latinos. And besides that we are often not really dark.

As for this bullshit about "latinos" having spanish blood - Phillipinos are probably more Spanish and we don't change their names.

My family look nothing like south americans, act nothing like them, are culturally nothing like them. They share a language because of some nasty history - that's it.

SubtleEnergies
10-07-2005, 10:45 PM
As for the Muslim thing....I am pretty sure that my family is probably Morrocan in origin. I don't know about a muslim influence in south america though.

I heard that the dark people down south aren't liked by the rich people up north or something....

Also by the time of the expiditions to South America Islam was banned. They were conquering souls for the Roman Catholic God, So I doubt Spanish Muslims were very open about their practices.

SubtleEnergies
10-07-2005, 10:53 PM
Also, I think the Spanish conquerers would have been pretty white.

This is how it went.

Spain were Euros....they got invaded by the Moors and were Muslim for like 600 years. After wards power went back to christians....I think it was with a christian king and queen working with the Roman empire. THEN they went out and conquered.....

So you would assume the Moors weren't to favoured when power shifted back. I actually have read two thick ass books on this subject and the Christians oppressed the Moors when it shifted back. Because the Moors were educated they made laws were Moors couldn't run businesses or do taxes etc for themselves but could for the Spanish.

The Moorish influence in Spain left the populace just mixed. Most spanish men (men being darker than women) have brown hair (80%). Not black hair...and alot of spaniards are blondes with blue eyes too...there is also Jewish influence in there somewhere. My mum has black hair, white skin and blue eyes. Her TWIN brother looks like an Arab with dark skin, THICK black hair, and black (dark as brown gets) eyes and a huge arab nose.

My point is yes, Moors invaded spain, no spanish people are not Moors nowadays. They have some of their influence, about as much as italians with their dark blood.

Born Ruler I
10-10-2005, 10:32 AM
^^^ True.

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