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IrOnMaN
07-08-2010, 02:31 PM
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1. Iím Not A Star (Produced by J.U.S.T.I.C.E. League)
2. Free Mason feat. Jay-Z & John Legend (Produced by The Inkredibles)
3. Tears Of Joy feat. Cee-Lo (Produced by No I.D.)
4. Maybach Music III feat. T.I., Jadakiss & Erykah Badu (Produced by J.U.S.T.I.C.E. League)
5. Live Fast, Die Young feat. Kanye West (Produced by Kanye West & No I.D.)
6. Super High feat. Ne-Yo (Produced by Clark Kent & The Remedy)
7. No. 1 feat. Trey Songz & Diddy (Produced by Danja)
8. MC Hammer feat. Gucci Mane (Produced by Lex Luger)\
9. B.M.F. (Blowiní Money Fast) feat. Styles P (Produced by Lex Luger)
10. Aston Martin Music feat. Drake & Chrisette Michele (Produced by J.U.S.T.I.C.E. League)
11. All The Money In The World feat. Raphael Saadiq (Produced by The Olympicks)
12. Audio Meth (Produced by The Runners) [iTunes Bonus Track]




I personally think that it will be based on the tracks that I've heard. Super High, Aston Martin Music, Maybach Music III, and Free Mason are classic tracks. J.U.S.T.I.C.E. League are gifted producers and they make Rick Ross's lyrics come alive. In terms of entertainment value, this album has classic potential. Love Rick or hate him, this guy is awesome!

portis24
07-08-2010, 02:39 PM
raekwon is on the bonus track

ALCATRAZ
07-08-2010, 02:42 PM
get the fuck out of here

ricky
07-08-2010, 02:55 PM
just look at all those features.
nigga can't carry an album by himself.

Mcthuggin99
07-08-2010, 03:10 PM
10 outta 12 songs got a feature? aint he supposed to be a solo rapper

corky831
07-08-2010, 04:16 PM
idk but so far the production has sounded very ill

SHEEPISH LORD OF CHAOS
07-08-2010, 04:48 PM
it'll be a commercially viable album but a classic prolly not but production wise i think it'll be dope never really felt rick ross but this might be the only lp of his ill cop just on the fact that as a whole package it sounds good so far

cap
07-08-2010, 05:24 PM
i normally never liked rick ross, but maybach music 3 and live fast die young are hot!!

snapple
07-08-2010, 05:36 PM
probably....rick ross makes good music.....

and that production lineup is incredible.....

but rick ross gets a lot of hate on this song.....


but in 5 years when ross aint hot anymore everyone on here will praise him LOL

claaa7
07-08-2010, 07:06 PM
a track called "Free Masons" and featuring Jay-Z?? this is beyond disgusting.


If you haven't noticed by now, life imitates art -- it's not the other way around. There is no stronger cultural influence on people now than popular media, and hip-hop is at the forefront. Ask almost any child about the lyrics to a popular song or a scene from a video or movie and more often then not they will know the details better than they know their school lessons. Entertainers and the culture of celebrity that we find ourselves living in often hold more weight with kids then parents, educators, preachers politicians or even sports heroes. Can we blame some rappers for selling completely out? Of course. Be we have to look at the entire picture.


The argument is often made by Russell Simmons and others that rappers are poets who simply report on what we feel and our surroundings, and that we shouldn't be censored. On that point we partially agree -- we shouldn't be censored. But balance between the negative and positive needs to be provided, and it currently isn't. Most artistic integrity is questionable at best. My understanding is that artists are supposed to express what they believe in at all costs (if not, there's work at the post office). But most don't, and they mold their approaches to making music based on what they perceive major labels wanting. If Def Jam or Interscope or any of these other large culture-defining companies issued a blanket decree that they would only support material and artists with positive messages then 99% of those making music now would switch up to accommodate. That's real talk. I'm not saying these labels should (or would), but if they did, gangstas would stop being gangstas and misogynists would stop being misogynists at the drop of a DIME. Many artists are like children, and most will say and do what is expected of them in order to benefit financially. And although there is definite self-examination that needs to take place within the artist community, the lion's share of the blame falls on the enablers who only empower voices of negativity. Record labels and commercial radio often use the excuse that they are "responding to the streets" and that they are "giving the people what they want." BULLSHIT. They dictate the taste of the streets, and people can't miss what they never knew. The fact is that there are conscious decisions made by the big business and entertainment elite daily about what to present to the masses -- and it is from those choices that we are allowed to decide what we do and do not like. Who presents the music that callers are invited to "make or break" on the radio? That callers are invited to "! vote on" on T.V.? Who decides on what makes it to the store shelves o r the airwaves at all? Like I said, life imitates art, and pseudo-black culture is determined by those other than us every day. Walk into any rap label or urban radio station and you can count the number of black employees on one hand.
The argument in response could be made in defense of labels that if they don't respond to the streets then the music will just go underground. Huh? WHAT underground? Do you know how much good material is marginalized because it doesn't fit white cooperate America's ideals of acceptability? Independents can't get radio or video play anymore, at least not through commercial outlets, and most listeners don't acknowledge material that they don't see or hear regularly on the radio or on T.V. Very few of us are willing to actually seek out material and messages to identify with. As with anything in our fast food culture, we want our entertainment choices fast and in our collective face. For most listeners, all the rest need not apply.
What I want to know is, when did the worst in us become normal and accepted? When did it become par for the corporate course that "black man as thug" and "black woman as slut" be business as usual? Major companies now line up to profit from the buffoonery of a few...at the expense of us all. MTV, Viacom, Clear Channel, Boost Mobile, Amp mobile, Chevy, all major record labels and most video games come readily to mind, but there are many others.


I'm not a hater...although I do hate the imbalance in the industry right now and the negativity it fosters. I'm not calling for censorship. You can't lump me in with the Jesse Lee Petersons and the Armstrong Williamses of the world...bourgeois self-hating black men who demean other black people and profit at our expense. And nobody can say that I'm unqualified to speak on it, since I've contributed to the sale of just under 4 million albums independently, still run my own successful counter-establishment label (www.guerrillafunk.com (http://www.guerrillafunk.com/)) and have been embracing messages of self-esteem and self-sufficiency for years.
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Like I said, I'm not calling for censorship, but I am calling for balance. I'm calling for more representation of points of view other than gangsta rap and escapism. More revolutionary voices. More voices of women. Where is the diversity? Music can only be kept artificially young and artificially dumb for so long before an inevitable backlash ensues, and that's what we're seeing take place now. Overall album sales for the January 1-April 2 period are down 16.6% -- with a 20.5% decline in CD album sales since last year -- and an even greater decline in hip-hop. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070409/music_nm/sales_dc_1) Since LAST YEAR (and it was already raggedy last year, believe me). We're seeing the industry implode before our eyes. I heard somebody say

recently that in this current era of style over substance Stevie Wonder, Parliament/Funkadelic, Earth, Wind & Fire, Curtis Mayfield and others would never have been signed. Let tha! t sink in for a second. They would never have been signed. Some of the very architects of black music as we know it would have been sidelined too, just as countless others are now, because they wouldn't have fit into white corporate America's cookie-cutter feel-good box of acceptable black behavior and appearance. Same goes for me, Public Enemy (they'll take the Flav, but not the Chuck), Kam, X-Clan, BDP, Wise Intelligent, dead prez, Zion-I, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, The Roots, Blackalicious, Immortal Technique, The Coup, T-K.A.S.H., Michael Franti and a host of others.


So how many half-naked women sipping Cris draped in blood diamonds poolside will it take before we collectively agree that shit is tired now? How many backward-ass coons with tats and plated grills and pimp cups etc. in the strip club before we all agree that enough is enough and that we need balance? When did the bar get set so low? When will we demand more? And as for Simmons' argument that "rappers are reporting what they see" etc, how are cocaine-kingpin rhymes or poolside pimp-nigga fantasies anyone's reality? Miss me with that bullshit argument. Yes, there should be room for all voices to be heard, but we have to be treated and presented equally. Now we have bitches and hos, players and pimps, gangstas and dealers -- but no kings and queens, no revolutionaries, no dissent, no political commentary and no anger -- how is that? In an era where EVERYTHING is political and people are more disgusted with the way things are more than ever? It's no mistake. Yes! I can say that we have failed, that we have allowed black culture to once again be co-opted, diluted and prostituted. Commercial rap culture is now to hip-hop is what disco was to funk. No wonder Nas is saying it's dead.


And who's to blame? Definitely not artists like the ones mentioned above. Not most artists at all, actually, because we don't control whether or not we're seen and heard by the masses. No, the blame needs to squarely sit on the shoulders of those who run the labels, the commercial radio stations, the television studios and the large corporate sponsors who reward only the worst in us and seem hell-bent on pursuing (with little success) the most fleeting, fickle demographic of all -- 12-16 year old adolescent females. You know, the demo that's the most impressionable, with the least amount of loyalty or disposable income. Brilliant.


Know that it's okay to call shit like it is and quit being cowards worrying about who we'll offend. It's okay to blame Simmons, Lyor Cohen, Jimmy Iovine, Kevin Liles, Bob Johnson, Debra Lee, Michael Martin and others of their ilk because the blood is on their hands. They are the gatekeepers of popular culture and they are the ones who determine what you see and hear. They can't say that their decisions are based on economics when they exclude voices of reason because there are literally hundreds of millions of people globally who feel the same way. What about that consumer base? I guess that money is no good, huh? Fuck outta here... Remember, part of the strategy of mind control is to fool the public into thinking that they have choice. We do, but the playing field is so skewed in the favor of mega-corps that the contributions of the alternatives are often viewed by most as insignificant.


So yes, there is a problem, but the fake "Kumbaya" moment on Oprah recently won't solve it. Are we really going to look to those individuals who have made a killing off of pushing poison to us to fix the problem? We shouldn't. Instead, we should vote with our dollars and continue the campaign of public shame until we see some concrete change. The music industry as we know it is on its death bed. People are now more tired than ever of 'music business as usual' and style over substance.



Imus was an insignificant part of a much greater problem. Sure, his incident open up national discourse regarding issues of race and sex. And yes, it is now more apparent than ever that whites have a hard time acknowledging racist and sexist behavior in other whites as being solely their fault. Most black artists are not to blame, as we often can't been seen or heard without white help. But it's important to note that many of us can and should know better when saying and doing the things we say and do. It's easy to despise the indefensible, and media outlets like Fox News have made good money demonizing those with little real power.



But will we champion the good among us?

Mr. R&B
07-08-2010, 09:09 PM
^ tl;dr

BLACK BART SIMPSON
07-08-2010, 09:18 PM
lex luger is a fucking monster the bass he puts in his beats makes you wish u had dreads just so u cud go fucking dumb lol...Classic? fuck no like sum1 said almost ALL the songs have features but i think it will definetly be a banger and a worth it purchase...



ross still a bitch tho lol

Paranoid
07-08-2010, 10:53 PM
"Freemason Ft. Jay-Z"

Um........

Meta4
07-09-2010, 01:00 AM
Anyone who was a CO (whos job is dedicated to insure the incarceration of people whether innocent or guilty and predominantly from the ghettos) and then tries to portray a ghetto image to profit financially is a person with false knowledge and devilish traits. Ross is a faggot and nothing he does is of any real substance or importance. Production tip seems solid tho.

Dirty Knowledge
07-09-2010, 01:01 AM
I got 300 soljazzzzz

claaa7
07-09-2010, 04:56 AM
Anyone who was a CO (whos job is dedicated to insure the incarceration of people whether innocent or guilty and predominantly from the ghettos) and then tries to portray a ghetto image to profit financially is a person with false knowledge and devilish traits. Ross is a faggot and nothing he does is of any real substance or importance. Production tip seems solid tho.

co-sign every word, repped

Paranoid
07-09-2010, 05:50 AM
Illuminati in hip hop

SL33
07-09-2010, 06:29 AM
Anyone who was a CO (whos job is dedicated to insure the incarceration of people whether innocent or guilty and predominantly from the ghettos) and then tries to portray a ghetto image to profit financially is a person with false knowledge and devilish traits. Ross is a faggot and nothing he does is of any real substance or importance. Production tip seems solid tho.

repped

BLACK BART SIMPSON
07-09-2010, 06:34 AM
yea co-sign meta4 but i predict every single beat is gna b bananas

Paranoid
07-09-2010, 06:50 AM
yea co-sign meta4 but i predict every single beat is gna b bananas

then get the instrumentals. Fuck Rick Ross

YungSunny
07-11-2010, 09:05 AM
Niggas were hating hard on ross when I made a thread about his last album. Huh?

And cuban linx had a whole guallah of features so don't front.

J-Cee
07-11-2010, 09:53 AM
i aint gonna check for this,cause i dont like his music..and i dislike hip hop like this..yes im a hater..

RALPH WIGGUM
07-11-2010, 10:17 AM
From what I heard, he definitely got better lyrically, plus the production seems hot

food for thought
07-11-2010, 10:25 AM
Anyone who was a CO (whos job is dedicated to insure the incarceration of people whether innocent or guilty and predominantly from the ghettos) and then tries to portray a ghetto image to profit financially is a person with false knowledge and devilish traits. Ross is a faggot and nothing he does is of any real substance or importance.


^this.cosign tho the fullest.

this dude epitomizes what is wrong with hip hop today. this niggas WHOLE CAREER is based on fooling the people inorder to insure they keep giving him their money.

i will never support his music.

get this shit out of here.

angry!
07-11-2010, 10:51 AM
music is a feeling...

rick ross material is void of ANY feeling....

never spit one bar of truth in his LIFE!!!!!!!!

MC GUSTO wack nigga...

thats another thing...

he gets a pass...

when not only is he hiding behind a paper thin facade...

he lacks creativity, depth, versatility, and MC chops!!!!!!!!!!!

this nigga has ONE cadence, ONE flow, he rides every beat with the same tempo, has one pocket, cant deliver his own HOOKS (peep the features)...

his CONTENT is entirely FICTIONAL... he cant elaborate on the life to make it interesting, he gives you the fantasy, but cant shed ANY light on the reality!!!!!!!!!!!

nas wasnt sippin pellgrino water with mafia ties when he wrote TAKE IT IN BLOOD, but the spit was high science, technical, and visually ILL!!!!!!!!!!!

ross is a fuckin hack... break his skillset down...

niggas that praise ross dont know shit about emcee'n...

niggas that give ross a pass for his C.O. past dont know shit about LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!

C.O.'s are the niggas that make you strip to bare ass, spread ya cheeks, stick flashlights around your brown eye, transport you like cattle spot from spot... these are the niggas that get a raise for finding you with some contraband food!!!!!!!!!!

its a job... but its not a job you should hold if you plan on being a bullshit rap nigga that raps about blow and cash like escobar bloodlines!!!!!!!!!!!!!

threadstarter is a true to life faggot that posts dick pics for male viewing pleasure on wu tang message boards... gay bum nigga, i would forward those homo pics to your employer and get your bitch ass fired, but you pucker dick at home like a stay at home queer!!!!!!!!!!!!

YungSunny
07-11-2010, 03:19 PM
^Nigga you got way too much unwanted energy in your posts. I can give janelle monae a life-time supply of free base and she'll act calmer than you.

Paranoid
07-11-2010, 03:30 PM
Rick Ross is a faggot. Do not buy his album

Ancient One
07-12-2010, 10:08 AM
I had to make this correction bout the second track. It's spelled Free Mason and not freemason. So there was no illuminati shit, only braggin bout money. Which is his only topic, which gets fuckin boring. One of my friends dad is a freemason, they can't even tell that to their own relatives so Ross and Jigga are not and will never be masons. Cause they need to live a closed and secret life and can never reveal what they hear in meetings etc. Just to say, so you people don't need to be jumping of roofs .

claaa7
07-12-2010, 11:04 AM
^ nah man, listen to what Ross says in that first verse - he is definitely talking about the freemasons (built pyramids, codes that others don't understand, etc) and Jay-Z adresses the rumours of him being a devil worshipper.

food for thought
07-12-2010, 11:11 AM
built the pyramids my ass, tell that fat boy to shut up.

Cesar
07-12-2010, 10:16 PM
I don't think his album will be a Hip Hop Classic but it will be a Great Album!

LMFAO!!! @ Niggas here talking about was a C.O. & faked his life like if ya really knew him? Dawg ya'll dweebs only know what you read online, ya niggas don't know him period!

Ancient One
07-13-2010, 04:32 AM
^ nah man, listen to what Ross says in that first verse - he is definitely talking about the freemasons (built pyramids, codes that others don't understand, etc) and Jay-Z adresses the rumours of him being a devil worshipper.

Yeah but he was just comparing himself to the great men through out the history, which all were masons. But anyway doesn't even matter to me, I bought the first ross album and ain't gonna buy anymore. Cause he's boring and maybe the most repetitive rapper of all time.

issues
07-13-2010, 11:28 AM
Will Rick Ross's Teflon Don be a hip-hop classic?

no.

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