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buckshotstheone
07-14-2010, 09:04 PM
In this post I discuss how as we hip hop fans get older, so does the sound of the music we love

http://www.reppghhiphop.com/2010/07/14/the-maturation-of-hip-hop/

Edgar Erebus
07-15-2010, 02:24 AM
What a load of crap.

Tommy
07-15-2010, 10:11 AM
Not a good article whatsoever. Are you seriously implying that hip hop started to "mature" only after Late Registration was released? If that's the case, then you've got a lot of records to listen to that came out before 2005.

SHEEPISH LORD OF CHAOS
07-15-2010, 10:18 AM
complete bullshit a very limited view of what hip hop is and how it and going to mature, get out of ur own box and look at the various artists in hip hop that rep different things from intellectual artists like Canibus & Warcloud to social comentary emcees to Immortal Technique and Chuck D to the bling bling materialistc rap to lil' flip, currency, etc. to just the battle rap like Serius Jones and so on and so on

buckshotstheone
07-15-2010, 10:41 AM
I'm speaking more to the musicality of hip hop now. Not the lyrics or the message, which have been culturally and socially significant and very mature since the inception, I'm talking about the overall musical feel, the advanced sounds and the beefed up production.

Tommy
07-15-2010, 10:56 AM
I'm speaking more to the musicality of hip hop now. Not the lyrics or the message, which have been culturally and socially significant and very mature since the inception, I'm talking about the overall musical feel, the advanced sounds and the beefed up production.

Define "beefed up production". Because there's plenty of hip hop albums that have come out before Late Registration that were more richer musically.

Edgar Erebus
07-15-2010, 11:50 AM
How don't you get it?

This is hip hop before Late Registration:

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This is hip hop after Late Registration:

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Any questions?

Phizzal
07-15-2010, 12:09 PM
'That album had a full orchestra, not just sampled music, but an entire symphony of musicians filling out tracks to the point where “epic” is the only way to describe it.'

What a load of old bollox. The hole point in Hip-Hop is that DJs Cut-up & mix other peoples records, taking something that isnt yours & makeing it yours. If you want to go & listen to a full orchestra then go listen to an orchestra. If you want to listen to some simple head nodding beats with funky grooves & basslines, then listen to Hip-Hop. Does kanye even play any of these instruments? I dont know, but probably not. And groups like the Roots & the Beastie Boys have been making good beats with instruments for years.

If sounding like an orchestra makes you mature then i wanna be 14 again.

Tommy
07-15-2010, 12:16 PM
How don't you get it?

This is hip hop before Late Registration:

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This is hip hop after Late Registration:

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Any questions?

Are you talking to me? Because if you are, and are agreeing with "buckshotstheone", then why did you call his article a load of crap at the start?

If you are using the zip zap rap to define hip hop sonically and musically before Late Registration then you, like buckshot, need to listen to some more records.

Phizzal
07-15-2010, 12:25 PM
Run-DMC messed with instruments back in da 80s, did this make them mature? who cares i prefer there minimalist beats anyway.

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buckshotstheone
07-15-2010, 12:42 PM
'That album had a full orchestra, not just sampled music, but an entire symphony of musicians filling out tracks to the point where “epic” is the only way to describe it.'

What a load of old bollox. The hole point in Hip-Hop is that DJs Cut-up & mix other peoples records, taking something that isnt yours & makeing it yours. If you want to go & listen to a full orchestra then go listen to an orchestra. If you want to listen to some simple head nodding beats with funky grooves & basslines, then listen to Hip-Hop. Does kanye even play any of these instruments? I dont know, but probably not. And groups like the Roots & the Beastie Boys have been making good beats with instruments for years.

If sounding like an orchestra makes you mature then i wanna be 14 again.

so progression is a bad thing???

TSA
07-15-2010, 12:46 PM
the sounds in hip hop are a lot richer now, that's true, and the message is actually more mature, but was MOST mature in the 80s, and got hideously immature in the 90s with the violence (real and fictional), skewed values, criminal mentality and celebration of criminal culture, racism, sexism, and heightened homophobia.

a gay rapper would fend better today then in 94 where he would have been shot.

maturity doesn't mean 'better' in everyone's eyes though so ppl should chill with their opinion on which one is better.

5hundred&one
07-15-2010, 01:28 PM
the internet is killing hiphop

Mr. R&B
07-15-2010, 01:37 PM
the internet is killing hiphop


Abso-Fucking-Lutely.

buckshotstheone
07-15-2010, 01:49 PM
the internet is killing hiphop

hi hater. why is the internet killing hip hop? because it's giving so many more people an opportunity to succeed in this culture? because it's exposing us to more artists then we could have ever imagined before? because it allows groups like Slaughterhouse to happen because of the ability to send verses across the country (and world) in a matter of seconds? because it has created a 24 news cycle of hip hop information and culture that spans every sub-genre of the culture?

or is it cause "purists" can't get the pieces of vinyl and promo posters out their asses long enough to enjoy all the dope ass hip hop that's out there right now?

Paranoid
07-15-2010, 01:56 PM
2 turn tables and a microphone

Tommy
07-15-2010, 02:08 PM
the sounds in hip hop are a lot richer now, that's true, and the message is actually more mature, but was MOST mature in the 80s, and got hideously immature in the 90s with the violence (real and fictional), skewed values, criminal mentality and celebration of criminal culture, racism, sexism, and heightened homophobia.


I disagree with all points.

I wouldn't say hip hop is more "richer" now than what it has ever been, just take a look at De La Soul's work, Beastie Boys' work (post-LTI), Public Enemy, The Roots, Pete Rock & CL Smooth, RZA's productions on OB4CL, Ironman etc. etc, and OutKast's shit. That stuff is just as, if not more, rich than any of Kanye's production now (as amazing as it is), in fact, Kanye was dropping "mature" sounding stuff way before he even released his own album; The Blueprint and Scarface's The Fix for example.

I agree to an extent with what you're saying about how all that violence stuff erupted in the 1990's, but you must not forget that were a lot of "mature" (to paraphrase you) artists as well which I surely don't have to list.

I'm not sure what you mean by the message being more mature in the 80's than any other period as there's plenty of artists out now that still spill knowledge and positive vibes.

AliJack
07-15-2010, 03:31 PM
^ you misunderstood Slim T.... he's showin the OP how narrow minded his view is lmaolmaolmao

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07-15-2010, 03:53 PM
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Phizzal
07-16-2010, 05:55 AM
so progression is a bad thing???

is using an orchestra/instruments progression?

djskillz
07-16-2010, 05:58 AM
^raises a good point.

Phizzal
07-16-2010, 06:06 AM
^raises a good point.

Exactley, the whole point in Hip-Hop is we used Turntables/Samplers to make our own versions of other peoples music. Same in Dub, House, Techno, Drum & Bass etc

if we stop doing this is it still Hip-Hop?

djskillz
07-16-2010, 06:30 AM
yes it's still hip hop (the roots for example) but turntables and samplers are the essence. not everyone can pull off what the roots do.

Phizzal
07-16-2010, 08:12 AM
yes it's still hip hop (the roots for example) but turntables and samplers are the essence. not everyone can pull off what the roots do.

Agreed, the Roots can make a record with instruments & it still sounds like they made it with samples.

But what about Thrash/rap bands?

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These guys are rapping (badly) over instruments, but is it Hip-Hop?

buckshotstheone
07-16-2010, 08:33 AM
for everyone talking about samplers and using other peoples shit to make hip hop -----

that shit don't fly anymore. it was cool back in the day when no one took hip hop seriously and you could get away with using 100+ samples on your album cause no one was ever gonna come after you. now that hip hop is mainstream and popular these producers can't afford to use all these samples cause some mafucka gonna come in and make an "original samples" mixtape essentially snitching on the artist, then they gotta pay for all those samples, and then they lose way more money than they make on the album.

we can't just use samples anymore, it's monetarily impossible

kingGirlfriend
07-16-2010, 09:10 AM
The sample clearance issue really fucked hip-hop over. Now everything sounds like a casio keyboard all synthy and overproduced, trying to overcompensate. The soul was kinda lost. And the worst is when they try to recreate a sample with wack singers. uhg!