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KBOS
10-10-2005, 05:46 PM
Its fucking sad how columbus day is still celebrated in america, this mother fucker was worse then hitler, killing hundreds and thousands of indians who were very kind to him. He took women and children as slaves for rape. It got so bad eventally the indians started killing their babies and themselves before columbus could get to them. Not to mention he didn't find SHIT, he just lied for money.

SHRAP
10-10-2005, 05:47 PM
yea columbus was a fag... man its thanksgiving in canada, wtf

KBOS
10-10-2005, 06:43 PM
bump - sometimes I don't know why the fuck some of my threads are overlooked (U2 thread, favorite music videos, and this)

crass
10-10-2005, 06:55 PM
cuz they don't wanna admit it man!!

MefMan36
10-10-2005, 06:58 PM
Columbus was Italian, so therefore awesome. Plus if u had ur own country u know u would've taken sex slaves too.

Fr@z
10-10-2005, 06:59 PM
Columbus was just misunderstood

blackwisdom
10-10-2005, 07:00 PM
I was going to start a thread about this global criminal.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/CristobalColon.jpg/239px-CristobalColon.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:CristobalColon.jpg)

http://www.indians.org/welker/columbu1.htm

CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS AND THE INDIANS
by Howard Zinn

[Howard Zinn is an author and lecturer. His most noted work, from which this selection is excerpted, is A People's History of the United States.]

Arawak men and women, naked, tawny, and full of wonder, emerged from their villages onto the island's beaches and swam out to get a closer look at the strange big boat. When Columbus and his sailors came ashore, carrying swords, speaking oddly, the Arawaks ran to greet them, brought them food, water, gifts.2He later wrote of this in his log:

"They... brought us parrots and balls of cotton and spears and many other things, which they exchanged for the glass beads and hawks' bells. They willingly traded everything they owned.... They were well-built, with good bodies and handsome features.... They do not bear arms, and do not know them, for I showed them a sword, they took it by the edge and cut themselves out of ignorance. They have no iron. Their spears are made of cane.... They would make fine servants.... With fifty men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want."

These Arawaks of the Bahama Islands were much like Indians on the mainland, who were remarkable (European observers were to say again and again) for their hospitality, their belief in sharing. These traits did not stand out in the Europe of the Renaissance, dominated as it was by the religion of popes, the government of kings, the frenzy for money that marked Western civilization and its first messenger to the Americas, Christopher Columbus.

Columbus wrote:

"As soon as I arrived in the Indies, on the first Island which I found, I took some of the natives by force in order that they might learn and might give me information of whatever there is in these parts." The information that Columbus wanted most was: Where is the gold?

The Indians, Columbus reported, "are so naive and so free with their possessions that no one who has not witnessed them would believe it. When you ask for something they have, they never say no. To the contrary, they offer to share with anyone...." He concluded his report by asking for a little help from their Majesties, and in return he would bring them from his next voyage "as much gold as they need . . . and as many slaves as they ask." He was full of religious talk: "Thus the eternal God, our Lord, gives victory to those who follow His way over apparent impossibilities."

Because of Columbus's exaggerated report and promises, his second expedition was given seventeen ships and more than twelve hundred men. The aim was clear: slaves and gold. They went from island to island in the Caribbean, taking Indians as captives. But as word spread of the Europeans' intent they found more and more empty villages. On Haiti, they found that the sailors left behind at Fort Navidad had been killed in a battle with the Indians, after they had roamed the island in gangs looking for gold, taking women and children as slaves for sex and labor.

Now, from his base on Haiti, Columbus sent expedition after expedition into the interior. They found no gold fields, but had to fill up the ships returning to Spain with some kind of dividend. In the year 1495, they went on a great slave raid, rounded up fifteen hundred Arawak men, women, and children, put them in pens guarded by Spaniards and dogs, then picked the five hundred best specimens to load onto ships. Of those five hundred, two hundred died en route. The rest arrived alive in Spain and were put up for sale by the archdeacon of the town, who reported that, although the slaves were "naked as the day they were born," they showed "no more embarrassment than animals." Columbus later wrote: "Let us in the name of the Holy Trinity go on sending all the slaves that can be sold."

But too many of the slaves died in captivity. And so Columbus, desperate to pay back dividends to those who had invested, had to make good his promise to fill the ships with gold. In the province of Cicao on Haiti, where he and his men imagined huge gold fields to exist, they ordered all persons fourteen years or older to collect a certain quantity of gold every three months. When they brought it, they were given copper tokens to hang around their necks. Indians found without a copper token had their hands cut off and bled to death.

The Indians had been given an impossible task. The only gold around was bits of dust garnered from the streams. So they fled, were hunted down with dogs, and were killed.

Trying to put together an army of resistance, the Arawaks faced Spaniards who had armor, muskets, swords, horses. When the Spaniards took prisoners they hanged them or burned them to death. Among the Arawaks, mass suicides began, with cassava poison. Infants were killed to save them from the Spaniards. In two years, through murder, mutilation, or suicide, half of the 250,000 Indians on Haiti were dead.

When it became clear that there was no gold left, the Indians were taken as slave labor on huge estates, known later as encomiendas. They were worked at a ferocious pace, and died by the thousands. By the year 1515, there were perhaps fifty thousand Indians left. By 1550, there were five hundred. A report of the year 1650 shows none of the original Arawaks or their descendants left on the island.

The chief source-and, on many matters the only source of information about what happened on the islands after Columbus came is Bartolome de las Casas, who, as a young priest, participated in the conquest of Cuba. For a time he owned a plantation on which Indian slaves worked, but he gave that up and became a vehement critic of Spanish cruelty. In Book Two of his History of the Indies, Las Casas (who at first urged replacing Indians by black slaves, thinking they were stronger and would survive, but later relented when he saw the effects on blacks) tells about the treatment of the Indians by the Spaniards. It is a unique account and deserves to be quoted at length:

"Endless testimonies . . . prove the mild and pacific temperament of the natives.... But our work was to exasperate, ravage, kill, mangle and destroy; small wonder, then, if they tried to kill one of us now and then.... The admiral, it is true, was blind as those who came after him, and he was so anxious to please the King that he committed irreparable crimes against the Indians..."

Las Casas tells how the Spaniards "grew more conceited every day" and after a while refused to walk any distance. They "rode the backs of Indians if they were in a hurry" or were carried on hammocks by Indians running in relays. "In this case they also had Indians carry large leaves to shade them from the sun and others to fan them with goose wings."

Total control led to total cruelty. The Spaniards "thought nothing of knifing Indians by tens and twenties and of cutting slices off them to test the sharpness of their blades." Las Casas tells how "two of these so-called Christians met two Indian boys one day, each carrying a parrot; they took the parrots and for fun beheaded the boys."

The Indians' attempts to defend themselves failed. And when they ran off into the hills they were found and killed. So, Las Casas reports. "they suffered and died in the mines and other labors in desperate silence, knowing not a soul in the world to whom they could tun for help." He describes their work in the mines:

"... mountains are stripped from top to bottom and bottom to top a thousand times; they dig, split rocks, move stones, and carry dirt on their backs to wash it in the rivers, while those who wash gold stay in the water all the time with their backs bent so constantly it breaks them; and when water invades the mines, the most arduous task of all is to dry the mines by scooping up pansful of water and throwing it up outside....

After each six or eight months' work in the mines, which was the time required of each crew to dig enough gold for melting, up to a third of the men died. While the men were sent many miles away to the mines, the wives remained to work the soil, forced into the excruciating job of digging and making thousands of hills for cassava plants.

Thus husbands and wives were together only once every eight or ten months and when they met they were so exhausted and depressed on both sides . . . they ceased to procreate. As for the newly born, they died early because their mothers, overworked and famished, had no milk to nurse them, and for this reason, while I was in Cuba, 7000 children died in three months. Some mothers even drowned their babies from sheer desperation.... In this way, husbands died in the mines, wives died at work, and children died from lack of milk . . . and in a short time this land which was so great, so powerful and fertile ... was depopulated.... My eyes have seen these acts so foreign to human nature, and now I tremble as I write...."

When he arrived on Hispaniola in 1508, Las Casas says, "there were 60,000 people living on this island, including the Indians; so that from 1494 to 1508, over three million people had perished from war, slavery, and the mines. Who in future generations will believe this? I myself writing it as a knowledgeable eyewitness can hardly believe it...."

Thus began the history, five hundred years ago, of the European invasion of the Indian settlements in the Americas. That beginning, when you read Las Casas--even if his figures are exaggerations (were there 3 million Indians to begin with, as he says, or less than a million, as some historians have calculated, or 8 million as others now believe?) is conquest, slavery, death. When we read the history books given to children in the United States, it all starts with heroic adventure--there is no bloodshed-and Columbus Day is a celebration.

The treatment of heroes (Columbus) and their victims (the Arawaks) the quiet acceptance of conquest and murder in the name of progress-is only one aspect of a certain approach to history, in which the past is told from the point of view of governments, conquerors, diplomats, leaders. It is as if they, like Columbus, deserve universal acceptance, as if they-the Founding Fathers, Jackson, Lincoln, Wilson, Roosevelt, Kennedy, the leading members of Congress, the famous Justices of the Supreme Court-represent the nation as a whole. The pretense is that there really is such a thing as "the United States," subject to occasional conflicts and quarrels, but fundamentally a community of people with common interests. It is as if there really is a "national interest" represented in the Constitution, in territorial expansion, in the laws passed by Congress, the decisions of the courts, the development of capitalism, the culture of education and the mass media.

2Howard Zinn, "Columbus, the Indians, and Human Progress," A People's History of the United States <http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/Columbus_PeoplesHx.html>.

http://www.newhumanist.com/md2.html

Take it easy
Peace

blackwisdom
10-10-2005, 07:02 PM
Columbus was Italian, so therefore awesome. Plus if u had ur own country u know u would've taken sex slaves too.If you possess the mentality of a emotionally undisciplined boy with big guns.

Take it easy

OnlyBuilt4PuertoRicanLinx
10-10-2005, 07:07 PM
fuck columbus, i hate this guy so much. i woke up earlier than i usually do for school,and i went to school anyway,and i sat on the stepz for 6 hours straight. yeah im not going to have a good vacation for that ass.

MefMan36
10-10-2005, 07:09 PM
If you posess the mentality of an emotionally undisciplined boy with big guns.

Take it easy.
cool man. I took the liberty of correcting your grammar and spelling, peace. Oh yeah and you know you would take sex slaves too if you had your own country to basically run wild in. I would be having mad parties, smoking trees, fucking mad bitches and drinking mad liquor. Cuz I gets down like that.

Big Risk
10-10-2005, 07:11 PM
would you be killing people too?

MefMan36
10-10-2005, 07:12 PM
If they pissed me off or they deserved it yeah! But not innocents. Also we were not there to know if Columbus killed innocents or people who deserve it.

blackwisdom
10-10-2005, 07:30 PM
cool man. I took the liberty of correcting your grammar and spelling, peace. Oh yeah and you know you would take sex slaves too if you had your own country to basically run wild in. I would be having mad parties, smoking trees, fucking mad bitches and drinking mad liquor. Cuz I gets down like that.I guess it's all in personality, cause I wouldn't do those things. I'd build a legacy that my children would be proud of. I'd build an economic system built off of the common need and build a self-sufficient system. I'd have a strong voluntary army built off of the fact that the people would want to step up to defend a righteous lifestyle. But I'm such a "visionary;" notice I didn't say dreamer cause children dream. But that's just me.

Take it easy
Peace

blackwisdom
10-10-2005, 07:32 PM
If they pissed me off or they deserved it yeah! But not innocents. Also we were not there to know if Columbus killed innocents or people who deserve it.He didn't have to kill all of them, cause a lot of them committed suicide to escape. Notice that this same thing was practiced by the Africans in North America from the Trans Atlantic African Holocaust.

Take it easy
Peace

MefMan36
10-10-2005, 07:35 PM
I guess it's all in personality, cause I wouldn't do those things. I'd build a legacy that my children would be proud of. I'd build an economic system built off of the common need and build a self-sufficient system. I'd have a strong voluntary army built off of the fact that the people would want to step up to defend a righteous lifestyle. But I'm such a "visionary;" notice I didn't say dreamer cause children dream. But that's just me.

Take it easy
Peace
Yeah, personality I know what u mean. I like fucking bithes and getting fucked up. You know what im saying? Thats why people like you are leaders and people like me and George W. Bush are Party Animals

Peace

MefMan36
10-10-2005, 07:35 PM
He didn't have to kill all of them, cause a lot of them committed suicide to escape. Notice that this same thing was practiced by the Africans in North America from the Trans Atlantic African Holocaust.

Take it easy
Peace
U know ur stuff son.

blackwisdom
10-10-2005, 07:52 PM
^I've read some books on the topic and others, but more importantly I build with my brothers and elders.

Take it easy
Peace

WARPATH
10-10-2005, 08:34 PM
cool man. I took the liberty of correcting your grammar and spelling, peace. Oh yeah and you know you would take sex slaves too if you had your own country to basically run wild in. I would be having mad parties, smoking trees, fucking mad bitches and drinking mad liquor. Cuz I gets down like that.your ignorant and I pity your ignorance

On the long voyage from europe on the nina,pinta and santa maria the voyagers became restless, lonley, weak..............

they didn't have any woman on there long voyage and started to become mad for they were lost at sea and thought for sure they were doomed....

they resorted to homosexuality, and beastialy-- raping the animals they brought with them----------chickens, pigs, sheeps

But since you get down like columbus I suppose you get down like that too

and since you think your italian grandpa was cool then then you won't be afraid to admit that you got a little sheep in ya

baaaaaahhhhhhhhhh

PuNcH_iN_PuNcH_OuT
10-10-2005, 08:53 PM
and the legacy continues today

KBOS
10-10-2005, 09:09 PM
Mefman, I gotcha back and we cool as hell, but your being a shithead on this thread. Columbus raped animals, other men, and children, he slaughtered hundreds and thousands of nice poeple who were trying to help him because they didn't have any gold for him. He was a discusting human and thats really fucked up that you would remotely support this type of shit. The man was worse then hitler

blackwisdom
10-10-2005, 09:13 PM
Actually, Hitler made comments stating that he admired the systematic Holocaust of the North American Indians.

Take it easy
Peace

num2son
10-10-2005, 09:21 PM
Actually, Hitler made comments stating that he admired the systematic Holocaust of the North American Indians.

Take it easy
Peace
Damn, Who in the world was this guy anyway for us to take a day off today.

num2son
10-10-2005, 09:22 PM
fuck columbus, i hate this guy so much. i woke up earlier than i usually do for school,and i went to school anyway,and i sat on the stepz for 6 hours straight. yeah im not going to have a good vacation for that ass.
LOL.

PuNcH_iN_PuNcH_OuT
10-10-2005, 09:28 PM
thanks blackwisdom for the knowledge, the truth don't matter much to many people

blackwisdom
10-10-2005, 09:48 PM
Damn, Who in the world was this guy anyway for us to take a day off today.It's the same as Thanksgiving, European traditions and rituals that suit their way of life. I can go on, but we all know the story.

Imperialist countries celebrate imperialism. I think that wraps it up.

Take it easy
Peace

Knicks
10-10-2005, 09:53 PM
yall r lookin at it in normal times...

shit...this was 500 years ago...1492..... the rest of the world was still living in castles n having knights stabbin eachother n shit...this aint the modern world of today...

that type a shit wasnt frowned upon back then...its fucked up...but son, it was the fuckin middle ages/early renaissance

blackwisdom
10-10-2005, 09:55 PM
thanks blackwisdom for the knowledge, the truth don't matter much to many peopleNo problem. What we need to do is honor those lost in this notorious criminal act. We need to study and share their story. There's a program that I watched called "100 Nations." I'll try to find it and pass it along. It talks about the Mayans to the present day Native Americans.

Take it easy
Peace

blackwisdom
10-10-2005, 10:03 PM
yall r lookin at it in normal times...

shit...this was 500 years ago...1492..... the rest of the world was still living in castles n having knights stabbin eachother n shit...this aint the modern world of today...

that type a shit wasnt frowned upon back then...its fucked up...but son, it was the fuckin middle ages/early renaissance"Europe" was in the Dark Ages. Ancient African civilizations didn't subscribe to such barbaric acts like that. Before they were white washed by the Arabs, the Black civilizations were peaceful. More than that, the Americas were peaceful and flourishing. They didn't commit mass rape and murders. True, there were wars, but Europe changed the entire definition of slavery and how a concurred nation was viewed by it's conqueror. That's just an excure that doesn't stand up for me.

Take it easy
Peace

MefMan36
10-10-2005, 11:38 PM
Damn, y'all thought I was serious? my bad I was just messing around being a hypocrite or a devils advocate. I definitely don't get down like that and I respect you guys. lol

Peace

TeknicelStylez
10-10-2005, 11:39 PM
I really thought the gov was gonna try something stupid today.

born invincible
10-10-2005, 11:51 PM
cool man. I took the liberty of correcting your grammar and spelling, peace. Oh yeah and you know you would take sex slaves too if you had your own country to basically run wild in. I would be having mad parties, smoking trees, fucking mad bitches and drinking mad liquor. Cuz I gets down like that.
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!




on the real tho... that dude was a murdering dickface!! goes to show who we celebrate and bring down!!

Sicka than aidZ
10-10-2005, 11:54 PM
"Columbus killed more indian's than hitler killed jews,
but on his birthday u get sale's on shoe's"

tajeco
10-11-2005, 04:37 AM
good or bad, everyone in America is here now, so I'm thankful for that, it's just too bad so many people had to die for us to be here, so let's stop the killing, and start chilling with each other. Orgies all around.