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buckshotstheone
08-23-2010, 03:27 PM
Today I look at the discussion of which album people like better and what it says about them based on their preference

http://www.reppghhiphop.com/2010/08/23/the-chronic-vs-2001/


Recently I bumped The Chronic, as I always do at least once every summer as even though it was a winter album, it’s perfect for those hot summer days. After also seeing a discussion regarding which album was preferred, The Chronic or its follow-up, 2001, I was quite surprised at some of the responses. So for the purposes of completely reducing hip hop fans to one of two trivial labels, it seems that people are either a Chronic fan or a 2001 fan, and the differences define the type of rap fan you are.


For starters, there’s the obvious generation gap. While The Chronic came out in 1992, it wasn’t until 7 years later that 2001 was unleashed on us by the diggy-diggy Doc yall. This means that for swarms of fans, The Chronic is only heard in historical context. However even with the large gap in time, the similarities in the albums as well as the differences are part of what defines the two sets of hip hop fans.


I’m a Chronic fan. I bumped that album start to finish countless times in my youth and although I definitely didn’t understand every message or anecdote, I still loved every second of that record. From the way Snoop dominated that album to the way the guests like RBX and Lady of Rage and obviously the Dogg Pound contributed, that was and still is one of the most important records in hip hop history. Fast forward to 1999 when a new generation of kids had grown up knowing of “Nuthin’ But a G Thang” as being one of those “old school” tracks and here they get a full album of Dr. Dre complete with another lineup of guest artists and that Cali funk production. Their experience may have been similar to mine back in 1992 and subsequently, their opinion of the Doctor was formed and hung more so on “2001” than the album they were mere infants for.


I personally think 2001 sucks. It’s boring, it’s nowhere near as good as its predecessor, the guests are terrible (aside from the west coast legends as well as Snoop and Xzibit) and the production is decent but it doesn’t come close to the potential Dre can (could) offer. But is that only because I grew up with The Chronic? Is that why these younger fans love 2001 because to them, that’s when Dr. Dre was big? Or does it really say something about a person’s taste when they say The Chronic is ok but that 2001 is better?


It’s funny how similar the albums are, especially as far as the guest appearances. The way Hittman and Knoc’turnal are completely irrelevant is sort of like how we all loved RBX and the first lady of the Row (after Michel’le, #milkcartonstatus) but never bought their albums. The Dogg Pound makes their appearances on 2001 but it’s not like they really blew up with “Dogg Food” and by 1999 people had stopped checking for them anyways (pause). Add in that same g-funk feeling and the familiar subject matter and it becomes a defining question, which one do you prefer, the debut or the follow-up? Does your preference have to do with your age or entrance into hip hop? Does your preference come from a completely unbiased listen to both albums or does it stem from a personal meaning that one album has to you over the other?


To me it says something when you ask the question and the response is “oh I like 2001 better”. It tells me a lot about the person, whether or not that’s being superficial I really don’t care, it basically tells me that this person will probably disagree with more of my views on hip hop than they will agree. It doesn’t bother me, it just provides insight to the type of fan I’m dealing with. At the end of the day I can throw in The Chronic any time and enjoy the memories of MTV Beach House and a top 20 videos that actually consisted of entire clips being shown, but you won’t catch me reliving the Y2K madness anytime soon with 2001. But nevermind my arrogant opinion, which one of these records elevates YOU more?

beautifulrock
08-23-2010, 04:11 PM
The Chronic ignited the East Coast gangster rap era. It is legendary. 2001 was a side note.

Dr. Simon Hurt
08-23-2010, 04:18 PM
The Chronic ignited the East Coast gangster rap era. It is legendary. 2001 was a side note.

haw haw

beautifulrock
08-23-2010, 04:29 PM
I understand that it's a west coast album. I didn't misspeak. Many east coast gangster albums were influenced by The Chronic, including 36 Chambers.

Frank Sobotka
08-23-2010, 04:49 PM
The Chronic is the better album by far.
I personally think it's one of the best produced albums.

buckshotstheone
08-23-2010, 04:51 PM
The Chronic ignited the East Coast gangster rap era. It is legendary. 2001 was a side note.

damn, that was perfectly summed up right there. 100% agree

MaskedAvenger
08-23-2010, 11:06 PM
Are you joking? The Chronic of course.

buckshotstheone
08-24-2010, 12:07 AM
Are you joking? The Chronic of course.

you'd be surprised how many people say "2001". young'ns

MaskedAvenger
08-24-2010, 12:44 AM
you'd be surprised how many people say "2001". young'ns

I know, I was actually going to post that anybody who was already a hip hop head when the Chronic came out would never say 2001 is better than the original Chronic.

BRONZBODY
08-24-2010, 01:15 AM
Chronic 92>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2001

E-Z
08-24-2010, 01:24 AM
i like 2001 more...the only song thats really bangin on chronic is nuthin but a g thang, fuck wit dre day and bitches aint shit are also good, but i think the other songs are kinda boring....i was a little disappointed by the chronic when i listened to it the first time, i heard so much of "dopest album ever" and shit but i didnt really like it...pprobably bedause i grew up with still d.r.e., what will always be the definition of a motherfuckin classic to me

BRONZBODY
08-24-2010, 01:28 AM
i like 2001 more...the only song thats really bangin on chronic is nuthin but a g thang, fuck wit dre day and bitches aint shit are also good, but i think the other songs are kinda boring....i was a little disappointed by the chronic when i listened to it the first time, i heard so much of "dopest album ever" and shit but i didnt really like it...pprobably bedause i grew up with still d.r.e., what will always be the definition of a motherfuckin classic to meok i can respect that. Chronic was before ya time and is not to ya taste.

MaskedAvenger
08-24-2010, 01:31 AM
i like 2001 more...the only song thats really bangin on chronic is nuthin but a g thang, fuck wit dre day and bitches aint shit are also good, but i think the other songs are kinda boring....i was a little disappointed by the chronic when i listened to it the first time, i heard so much of "dopest album ever" and shit but i didnt really like it...pprobably bedause i grew up with still d.r.e., what will always be the definition of a motherfuckin classic to me

Deez Nuts, Let Me Ride, Stranded On Deathrow... but if it was before your time than i guess that's understandable.

claaa7
08-24-2010, 02:25 AM
i grew up with "The Chronic" but "2001" is close to equal for me, how the fuck is that not one of the best produced albums of all time?

CharlesJones
08-24-2010, 09:35 AM
E-Z, shut the fuck up LOL. How can you say The Chronic has some boring songs? Every song on there is tight. Only song i don't listen to that much on there is Little Ghetto Boy. The Chronic is better than Chronic 2001. Chronic 2001 wasn't all that good to me. He has a few songs on there i like. Let's Get High song on Chronic 2001 is the shit. I love that joint. Kurupt, Dr Dre, a guy and a female rap on that one. My only problem with that song is it's too short. I like the beginning of the song when some guys say all these niggas and all these hoes in here, somebody here gon fuck LOL. Some LA Niggaz song is tight too. My boy MC Ren talks at the beginning of the song. I wish he would've rapped on that song. Still Dre song is the shit too of course and The Next Episode song is tight. The Chronic has so many hard ass songs that i love like Dre Day, Let Me Ride, Nuthin But A G Thing, A Nigga Witta Gun, Rat Tat Tat Tat, Lyrical Gangbang, High Powered, Stranded On Death Row. The Chronic album cover is classic too. Nice picture of Dr Dre looking hard LOL.

Prolifical ENG
08-24-2010, 10:22 AM
I like them equally...maybe Chronic by a hair but I was in the middle of high school when 2001 dropped. I don't know if I qualify as a "young hip-hop fan", thats subjective. To some fans 2001 is "old school"....lol.

Krusha
08-24-2010, 12:12 PM
Chronic 92>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2001

Thats how it is.

beautifulrock
08-24-2010, 12:21 PM
Let's try an analogy

The Chronic is to the invention of the wheel as Chronic 2001 is to the invention of the electric toothbrush.

JakobR
08-24-2010, 12:54 PM
2001, without question. I find the production on The Chronic a bit predictable when listening to it (still a great album though). Doggystyle was better if you ask me.

Still Dre, The next episode, Fuck you, Forgot about dre, Xxplosive, Big ego's, What's the difference and Bitch niggas (that's cinematic as fuck, the production was used in a scene in Bad boys 2) are my favourites.

I also like the lyrics of 2001 better. It has Nate dogg doing great, Eminem's humour and darkness, Dre telling more personal stories etc. Xzibit bringing a good verse too.

The album is 11 years old now. Stop "accusing" people of being young if they don't share the same opinion as yourself.

Dr. Simon Hurt
08-24-2010, 01:28 PM
i think both of them are pretty shitty on a lyrical level, but the songs are catchy and usually delivered with enough flair and charisma for it to fly (and they can easily be sung along too...their both party albums)

i liked 2001's production better as well as the cleanliness of the mixing; also it created it's own sound, which, for better or worse, has become identified with dr dre every since. basically, every song doesn't sound like a derivative of 'mothership connection' or 'funkentelechy vs the placebo syndrome)...both albums are milestones and classics due to their impact.

but really there basically the same album, just in different eras. west coast funk rap with large doses of violence, misogyny, gay bashing, drugs and humor. one has alot of sampling because that was the thing to do in 92, and one has alot of keyboards and instruments because...

lol @ 'i'll look at what it says about you as a person'

i was a freshman in high school when '2001' was released, and i think people fail to remember how huge and ubiquitous '2001' was (for over a year, this was played at every house party i went to) and how this and SSLP and MMLP made Dre a legend to people who were still nickoledeon when the first chronic dropped.

Dr. Simon Hurt
08-24-2010, 01:30 PM
Let's try an analogy

The Chronic is to the invention of the wheel as Chronic 2001 is to the invention of the electric toothbrush.

that analogy doesn't work though...how is 'the chronic' comparable to 'the invention of the wheel?'...i guarantee anything that 'the chronic' did that could possibly be regarded as 'innovative' had already been done on other albums that are also regarded as classics.

beautifulrock
08-24-2010, 01:37 PM
Yea, I guess you're just smarter than me. I mean, you really told me.

beautifulrock
08-24-2010, 01:45 PM
By the way, that wasn't at all where I was going with that analogy, but like I said you know better than me, you always know better. In fact, you are the smartest person I ever met. Thank God you aren't so humble as to not correct the things I say even when I'm not wrong. It's these little moments that allow me to get up in the morning and make life worthwhile.

Man in the sky bless you.

Slurm Hostep

Dr. Simon Hurt
08-24-2010, 01:53 PM
^or you know, you could've debated it with me, or clarified your viewpoint.

spazzing works too, i guess.

beautifulrock
08-24-2010, 02:03 PM
Both great inventions, one slightly more necessary than the other.

That was slightly sardonic.

Clear enough?

Mr. R&B
08-24-2010, 02:04 PM
Why do actual discussions on this forum always get derailed by gen chat fags engaged in e-beef?

beautifulrock
08-24-2010, 02:06 PM
There's no beef, relax faggot. Pandemic is a good guy, a bit overzealous, but I don't think he throws cats in the trash or nothin'.

nFq7IfYTWGw

Prolifical ENG
08-24-2010, 02:13 PM
Why do actual discussions on this forum always get derailed by gen chat fags engaged in e-beef?

Yeah, its stupid at times.

I dont see a problem making analogies of what an album brought to a genre through a known invention timeline. Preferences have nothing to do with whose smart...especially with rap records.

You could compare Miles Davis' Kind of Blue and Bitches Brew but even then thats not even close to parallel with Dre's 2 LPs being discussed.

Tommy
08-24-2010, 02:29 PM
Doggystyle was better if you ask me.

Agreed.

I love both albums, but I'm going with 2001 for the fact it was one of the first hip hop albums I bought and I've kinda grown with it. I've got good memories of some of the tracks from 2001 coming on at parties and such and just absolutely loving them.

Two hip hop classics definitley, though.

Mr. R&B
08-24-2010, 02:35 PM
There's no beef, relax faggot. Pandemic is a good guy, a bit overzealous, but I don't think he throws cats in the trash or nothin'.

nFq7IfYTWGw

I'm all for fuckin' around on teh webz, but it's always gen chat regs that go 20 post bouts with each other on threads outside of gen.

That subversive bullshit ain't funny.

g_flex
08-24-2010, 02:40 PM
I liked both albums....i would go for chronic but 2001 was a superb album for the year 2g...comparing lp's off a different timezone

beautifulrock
08-24-2010, 02:40 PM
The only person I'm trying to entertain is myself. I refuse to apologize for my lameness.

Mr. R&B
08-24-2010, 02:44 PM
^ That's honesty, which I can respect. :beer:

RAW-TASTE
08-24-2010, 10:27 PM
Chronic. by far. 2001 was an good album, but chronic was a real undeniable classic.........it showcased the definition of gangsta rap