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Fatal Guillotine 11-30-2010 04:10 PM

Jesuit-Trained Movers and Shakers
 
Below are relevant fragments of a very recent email exchange I had with Eric Jon Phelps in which I asked him what it means for someone to be Jesuit trained (my questions are in blue, Eric's response is in green):

I would like to know from you what it means for someone to be Jesuit-trained. Does the Jesuit Order keep (close) contact with its pupil for the entire duration of the pupil's life? Do the Jesuits openly manipulate their pupils after their education, steering them into certain directions beneficial to the Order on the excuse of merely 'advising' them? Or do they perhaps do that more stealthily and cunningly, by subtly providing their pupils with information at which the pupil then decides ostensibly by his or hers own volition the course in life ideally never suspecting that the Order is subtly steering them into their preferred direction? How does it pay off to have a Jesuit education? Are Temporal Coadjutors Jesuit-trained by definition?


The Order's Temporal Coadjutors may or may not be Jesuit trained. Those students who are trained by the Jesuits have the greatest possibility of finding a job after graduation. Their education is first, their placement is second and the reason for which the Order trained them. Their grads are found in every profession and walk of life. It is in these vocations that they become the most dangerous, men like Tim Russert and Chris Matthews of the Order's CFR-controlled Press. Many coajdutors are Yale and Harvard Grads. The Order has a Jesuit House at Harvard---the alma mater of Coadjutor Bill O'Reilly. If the Order puts you in political office, it expects you to submit to their advisor, men like Jesuit priest John McLaughlin, the man who wrote Nixon's speeches. If you jettison the Order that put you in office, then you will be punished or killed.


Also I can understand that a person such as Bill Clinton, being a Georgetown graduate, has the opportunity to build up a Jesuitical network from which he and the Order may mutually benefit later in life.


Correct.



However, when it comes to, for instance, a person such as Fidel Castro or Joseph Stalin who were trained at a very early age, I am more at a loss of imagining how the Order maintains control of their pupils.


By sheer power of the machine put them in power. The CIA put Castro in power and has kept him in that power since 1960. The British SIS put Stalin in power and with the CIA, kept him there until he was poisoned for resisting the Order. He arrested his Jesuit advisor Alexander Poskrebyshev in late 1952. He was poisoned in March of 1953 and AP lived to a ripe old age dying in about 1965.

Therefore, could you please explain to me, in your opinion and knowledge, how the Order keeps on manipulating the lives of their pupils especially regarding those who were trained at a very young age?

The Order rewards their minions with money, power, women and anything necessary to keep these slaves happy. The tools also know that to resist this huge monlithic monster will be suicide as he is reminded of the JFK assassination.

Fatal Guillotine 11-30-2010 04:17 PM

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(1897-1945). Nazi Member of the Reichstag, 1928-1933.
Reich Minister of Enlightenment and Propaganda, 1933-1945.
Reich Commisioner for Total Mobilization, 1944-1945. On
May 1, 1945, he poisoned his six children, then shot is
wife and killed himself to escape the advancing Allied
armies.
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Joseph Goebbels was born into a strict Catholic, working-class
family from Rheydt, in the Rhineland, on 29 October 1897.
He was educated at a Roman Catholic school and went on
to study history and literature at the University of Heidelberg.
Goebbels was exempted from military service during World
War I because of a crippled foot - the result of contracting
polio as a child.
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Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, papal nuncio to Germany, with Goebbels


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The German elite in the Vatican, including Goebbels and General Steinmann.
http://www.spirituallysmart.com/nazi.html

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Goebbels, pupil of the Jesuits

"Still another fact", writes Frederic Hoffet,5 "shows that Catholicism
is not so foreign to National Socialism as one would wish it to
be. Hitler, Goebbels and Himmler, as well as most of the party's
'old guard', were Catholics....
"This relationship between National Socialism and Catholicism
is particularly striking if one studies more closely the party's methods
of propaganda and internal organization. Nothing is more instructive
in this connexion than the works of Joseph Goebbels. It is known
that the latter was brought up in a Jesuit College. . . . Every page,
every line of his writings recalls the teaching of his masters. There
is the stress placed on obedience, which was to be the principal
virtue of National Socialism . . . the disdain of truth. . . . 'Some lies
are as necessary as bread!' he proclaimed by virtue of a moral
relativism, taken from the writings of Ignatius de Loyola...."
Indeed, it was by assiduously applying this Jesuistic principle that
the chief of Nazi propaganda was to acquire throughout the world—
including Germany—the reputation of one of the greatest liars of
all times.
And Frederic Hoffet6 continues:
"There was, in particular, the National Socialist system of educating
and training its leaders, with which Goebbels had endowed the
regime. This system applied the methods of the Jesuits almost
servilely. The young recruits were grouped in schools situated well
out of town, where they had to spend several years, isolated from
the rest of the world. There, in an atmosphere of austerity, they
were submitted to a training which was in no way less severe than
that of the monasteries of the Company of Jesus. After a noviciate,
which ended in numerous and difficult tests, the future leaders had
to swear obedience: 'Perinde ac cadaver'.. . ."

Edmond Paris - The Vatican against Europe (pp251-252)


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"There can be no doubt about the blessings which Christianity has brought": The Archbishop is not alone in using this phrase. It has been repeated and repeated over the Centuries, and the fact is that it is entirely untrue! There is a technique called "The Big Lie", and it simply means to say that if one repeats a lie often enough and forcefully enough people begin to accept it without question. Now it is presently common usage to impute this technique to Dr. Josef Goebbels, Nazi Germany's Minister of Propaganda, and it is quite true that he used both the expression and the technique. But, Joseph Goebbels was trained by the Jesuits, and the technique was Christianity's. It worked (temporarily) for the Nazis, and it has worked for over a millennium for the Christians.
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Goebbels and ‘Pille’ Kölsch were inseparable. They arranged for Jesuits like Father
Rembold to lecture to the students, and once Goebbels proudly invited his old scripture
teacher, Father Mollen, to lecture too. At Bonn he studied under Adolf Dyroff,
professor of philosophy. He attended the literary seminars of Professor Berthold
Lietzmann, and wrote well-regarded essays for Professor Carl Enders on the youthful
drama fragments of Johann Wolfgang Goethe. He stayed on in Bonn after term
ended on February 1, and moved into Kölsch’s lodgings in Wessel Strasse. The April
1918 issue of the Unitas journal reported that the two friends had decided to study
next in Berlin.
David Irving - Goebbels, Mastermind of the Third Reich (p28)
http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Goebbels/Goebbels.pdf



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When Hitler became Chancellor, who was his Deputy Chancellor? Baron Konstantin von Neurath, a Roman Catholic, was Hitler's first Foreign Minister."

Flip over one page to page 11 and you will read:

"Who was the Nazi chief propagandist? The No. I liar of the Nazi Party, the Nazi Minister of Propaganda, head over press, radio, theatre, etc., was Dr. P. J. Goebbels, also a Roman Catholic. Konstantin, Duke of Bavaria, a Roman Catholic, said in his book, The Pope, page 77 that Goebbels 'received a Jesuit education, attended an academy in Catholic Rhineland, and received the scholarship for his training from a Catholic institution."

Sinclair goes on to say:

"Goebbels was trained by the world's most brazen liars."

We quote again from page 15 of the same source:

"Was Bormann a Roman Catholic? The play, THE VICAR, by Rolf Huchhuth, is not fiction; it is as accurate historically as any history book. In the U.S. edition of the play, Huchhuth gives 66 pages of documentation. It has long been known that Goebbels studied for the priesthood. The Austrian Fascist, Dollfuss, also studied for the priesthood. But Rolf Huchhuth says, "Hitler, Goebbels, Bormann, Kaltenbrunner, Hoess...studied for the priesthood."
http://prophets-see-all.tripod.com/46459.htm

Fatal Guillotine 11-30-2010 04:24 PM

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Joseph Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili (Georgian: იოსებ ბესარიონის ძე ჯუღაშვილი, Ioseb Besarionis Dze Jughashvili; Russian: Ио́сиф Виссарио́нович Джугашви́ли (help·info), Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili) (December 18 [O.S. December 6] 1878[1] – March 5, 1953), better known by his adopted name, Joseph Stalin (Иосиф Сталин, Iosif Stalin; stalin meaning "made of steel"[2]), was General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union's Central Committee from 1922 until his death in 1953. During that time, he established the eponymous regime, Stalinism. Although Stalin's formal position originally had little significant influence, his office being nominally one of several Central Committee Secretariats, Stalin's increasing control of the Party from 1928 onwards led to his becoming the de facto party leader and the dictator of his country[3], in full control of the Soviet Union and its people. His crash programs of industrialization and collectivization in the 1930s and his campaigns of political repression cost the lives of millions of people. However, it helped industrialize the Soviet Union making it a Great power by 1931. Only six years later, the Soviet Union had become the second largest industrial nation in the world.

During Stalin's reign, the Soviet Union played a major role in the defeat of Nazi Germany in the Second World War (1939–1945) (more commonly known in Russia and post-Soviet republics as the Great Patriotic War). Under Stalin's leadership, the Soviet Union went on to achieve recognition as one of just two superpowers in the post-war era, a status that lasted for nearly four decades after his death.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin


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Stalin was trained by Jesuits while in the Tiflis Orthodox Seminary in Georgia---openly admitted by "Koba" himself to journalist and Masonic Jew Emil Ludwig (Cohen).
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Ludwig: What impelled you to become an oppositionist? Was it, perhaps, bad treatment by your parents?

Stalin: No. My parents were uneducated, but they did not treat me badly by any means. But it was a different matter at the Orthodox theological seminary which I was then attending. In protest against the outrageous regime and the Jesuitical methods prevalent at the seminary, I was ready to become, and actually did become, a revolutionary, a believer in Marxism as a really revolutionary teaching.

Ludwig: But do you not admit that the Jesuits have good points?

Stalin: Yes, they are systematic and persevering in working to achieve sordid ends. Hut their principal method is spying, prying, worming their way into people's souls and outraging their feelings. What good can there be in that? For instance, the spying in the hostel. At nine o'clock the bell rings for morning tea, we go to the dining-room, and when we return to our rooms we find that meantime a search has been made and all our chests have been ransacked.... What good point can there be in that?
http://www.marxists.org/reference/ar...931/dec/13.htm


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4. Of publishing a false statement for the purpose of concealment of status: (1900 to present day) That the Catholic Church, more specifically the Jesuit Order has maintained countless false statements and documents pertaining to the status of Joseph Stalin. That Fr. Joseph Stalin S.J. was a trained, dedicated and fully ordained Catholic priest of the Jesuit order, who was recruited for a historic mission in his final year at the seminary in 1899. That in addition to failing to recognize Fr Joseph Stalin S. J. Furthermore, that the Jesuit Order did permit Fr Stalin to marry not once but twice, while remaining a fully ordained priest. That for his entire life until his death, there is no indication that Fr Joseph Stalin S. J. was ever defrocked as a priest.
http://dark-truth.blogspot.com/2007/...c-of-evil.html


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((Ed. Comments to the preceding quote: None of this “supposed inconsistency” is hard to explain. The facts are that the Vatican and her Jesuits were deeply involved in fomenting not only World War I, but also World War II. During World War II the Vatican supported not only Nazi Germany, but also the other Fascist regimes in Europe, such as Mussolini’s Fascist Italy and the Catholic-Fascist state of Croatia. In fact, Roman Catholic Knight of Malta Franz von Papen and the Roman Catholic Centrum (or, Zentrum) Party in Bavaria put Hitler into power! On the other side of the European continent, we find a Jesuit-trained monster named Joseph Stalin running the Soviet Union during World War II, with help from his Jesuit-trained friend, Cardinal Gregory Agagianian. (Both were trained by Jesuits who taught at the seminary in Tiflis, Soviet Georgia.) Stalin’s top intelligence man was Knight of Malta Prince Anton Turkul, who used Jesuits for his couriers! No wonder banks in the West – especially in the USA – helped finance both Adolph Hitler’s Nazi Germany and Joseph Stalin’s Soviet Union. Thus by controlling both sides in the conflict, the Vatican and her Jesuits were able to exterminate millions of their favorite “targets”: Jews, Orthodox Christians (e.g., in Croatia), and Protestants (in northern Germany). For more information on these two world wars, please read the TTT newsletters entitled “World War I” and “World War II”. For more information about the Jesuits and their Knights of Malta, please read the four TTT newsletters entitled “Jesuits – Parts I, II, III & IV”. If you would like more information on how the West (especially the USA) financed both Nazi Germany and Communist Russia (i.e., the Soviet Union), then please order Antony Sutton’s books Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution and Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler. Each one of these books can be obtained for $17.45 postpaid
through “Radio Liberty” by calling 1-800-544-8927.))
http://calltodecision.com/tcons.htm


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1917—The Russian Revolution takes place. The Bolsheviks (Communists) seize power in Russia—funded by wealthy Knights of Malta in the United States. Later, two Jesuit-trained thugs, Joseph Stalin and Catholic Cardinal Agagianian, oversee the Soviet Gulag system. (Note: Both Stalin and Agagianian had been trained at the Jesuit Seminary in Tiflis, Soviet Georgia.) Millions of Russian Orthodox Christians are butchered at the hands of a totalitarian Police State. (Remember, the Vatican has long hated Orthodox Christians, and has slaughtered them whenever and wherever it could.)
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During his childhood, Joseph was fascinated by stories he read telling of Georgian mountaineers who valiantly fought for Georgian independence. His favorite hero in these stories was a legendary mountain ranger named Koba, which became Stalin's first alias as a revolutionary. He graduated first in his class and at the age of 14 he was awarded a scholarship to the Seminary of Tiflis (Tbilisi, Georgia), a Jesuit institution (one of his classmates was Krikor Bedros Aghajanian, the future Grégoire-Pierre Cardinal Agagianian, see ) which he attended from 1894 and onward. Although his mother wanted him to be a priest (even after he had become leader of the Soviet Union), he attended seminary not because of any religious vocation, but because of the lack of locally available university education. In addition to the small stipend from the scholarship Stalin was paid for singing in the choir.

Stalin's involvement with the socialist movement (or, to be more exact, the branch of it that later became the communist movement) began at the seminary. During these school years, Stalin joined a Georgian Social-Democratic organization, and began propagating Marxism. Stalin quit the seminary in 1899 just before his final examinations; official biographies preferred to state that he was expelled. He then worked for a decade with the political underground in the Caucasus, experiencing repeated arrests and exile to Siberia between 1902 and 1917.
http://quotes-of-wisdom.eu/en/author...alin/biography


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Stalin's revolutionary life began in 1898, at the age of nineteen. He had not yet heard of Lenin, but joined the Messame Dassy, one of the many petty bourgeois socialist groups active in Russia then. His father was a shoemaker and mother a washerwoman who wanted her son to become a priest and so sent him to a church school. His result was exceptionally brilliant and this got him to the Theological Seminary of Tiflis, Georgia, run by Jesuit monks. His attitude regarding the oppressive atmosphere of the Seminary and its priesthood was rebellions. But, he started studying Darwinian biology and Economic history already, books forbidden in the seminary, and became member of the Messame Dassy. He was expelled from the Seminary in 1889. For a time, he took a job in the Tiflis Observatory. It was in fact his secret shelter. From what little is known of this period, it appears that socialists in Georgia, including members of the Messame Dassy, were divided on almost similar lines as the Bolsheviks and Mensheviks - and that young Stalin was nearer to the Bolshevik line, without knowing it. In 1900, he and his colleagues organized the first May Day demonstration in Tiflis. Before the May Day in 1901, the tsarist police discovered and raided Stalin's ''secret office'' at the observatory and arrested others. But Stalin escaped and addressed the May Day rally in the centre of Tiflis. He was soon elected to the Social Democratic Committee of Tiflis and it sent him to organize the workers in Batum, where he took the name of Koba. Within just four months, as the tsarist police record says, ''As a result of Djugashvili's activities, Social Democratic organizations began to spring up in all the factories of Batum...'' After spending 18 months in tsarist prison, he was exiled to Siberia but escaped and arrived in Tiflis again in 1904. He ''travelled from one prison or place or exile to another'', in his own words, including Siberia, for several years between 1901 and 1917.

http://india.indymedia.org/en/2003/05/5076.shtml

Fatal Guillotine 11-30-2010 04:31 PM

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Fidel Castro was born in the village of Brian in Cuba on August 13, 1926 into a rich family, the son of Angel Castro, who was a Spanish immigrant, and his cook Lina Ruz Gonzalez. In his early life Fidel Castro went to Jesuit schools and from there he attended the Jesuit preparatory school Colegio Belen in Havana.

http://www.wwwk.co.uk/people/politic...del-castro.htm



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Communist Dictator Castro shaking hands with his boss, Grandmaster and Prince of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, Andrew Willoughby Ninian Bertie


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Controlled Opposition Fidel Castro was trained in Jesuit schools for seven years, put in power by the Jesuit’s Knights of Malta-controlled Skull and Bones CIA, and advised by a Jesuit, Fr. Armando Llorente during the revolution. Today, Castro continues to be subservient to 78th Grandmaster and Prince of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta Andrew Willoughby Ninian Bertie, cousin of Queen Elizabeth.

http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2...orld-over-911/


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Fidel Castro was born on Aug. 13, 1926, on his family's prosperous sugar plantation near Birán, Oriente Province. His father was an immigrant from Galicia, Spain. Castro studied in Jesuit schools in Oriente and in Havana, where one of his high school teachers, Father Armando Llorente, recalled him as "motivated, proud, different from the others…. Fidel had a desire to distinguish himself primarily in sports; he liked to win regardless of efforts; he was little interested in parties or socializing and seemed alienated from Cuban society."


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The life of Fidel Castro has always been bound up with prophesies, some of them strangely accurate. Probably the most known is the one made by [Jesuit] Father Antonio Llorente, Castro's teacher and spiritual adviser at the [Jesuit] Colegio de Belén. "Fidel Castro is a man of destiny," prophesied Llorente. "Behind him is the hand of God. He has a mission to fulfill and he will fulfill it against all obstacles."[1] In this particular case, however, I have the feeling that Father Llorente was slightly confused about whose hand was behind Fidel Castro.

[...]

19. The student is involved with a gang or an antisocial group on the fringe of peer acceptance.
Yes. It has been extensively documented that, as soon as he joined Belén, he formed his own gang and began harassing other students. The Jesuit padres were terrorized. They had never seen a student like Fidel Castro.[15] He continued his involvement with gangs when he became a Law student at the University of Havana.[16]

[...]

Moreover, it seems that the Jesuit's efforts in nurturing the monster were not by mistake, but by design. Argentinean journalist Alfredo Muñoz Unsaín, for many years Havana's correspondent for France Press, tells a quite revealing story. Father Padre Arrupe visited Cuba in the early 1980s, and Muñoz Unsaín had the opportunity of talking to him on several occasions. In one of them, recalls the reporter, the Black Pope gave him the classic Jesuit spiel, ending by telling that he was very pleased with the work of the Jesuits in Latin America, particularly of the many important disciples they have developed who later reached prominent positions in all walks of life. "Well, I guess you are not proud of all of them," retorted Unsaín, and added, "Don't forget that Fidel Castro was one of your disciples." To what Arrupe answered, in the classic Jesuit way, by using a question to answer another one, "And what makes you think we are not proud of Fidel Castro?"

http://www.amigospais-guaracabuya.org/oagsg005.php




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Castro, instead of being sent to an inadequate state school, went to Jesuit colleges in Santiago de Cuba and the capital Havana. Santiago is the capital of Oriente Province, from which the rebellion against Spain was launched. Havana was even then a centre of political and social corruption. The contrast and the lesson must have their impact on the growing boy.
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Fidel Castro Ruz was born on August 13, 1926, on his family's successful sugar plantation near Birán, Oriente Province, Cuba. Castro's parents had not planned to send their young son to school, but he was so set on getting an education that he talked them into letting him go when he was only six or seven years old. Castro studied in Jesuit schools in Oriente and in Havana, Cuba. He was a motivated student who did well in agriculture, history, and Spanish, and he was also an exceptional athlete. Meanwhile he showed little interest in socializing.

In 1945 Castro entered law school at the University of Havana, where student activism, violence, and gang fights were common. Castro soon joined the activists and associated with one of the gangs, the Unión Insurreccional Revolucionaria. Although police suspected him of the murder of a rival student leader and other violent actions, nothing was proven. Castro developed a reputation for his personal ambition and public speaking ability, yet he never became a well-known student leader. On several occasions he was defeated in student elections.

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This is from Cuba's official website on itself.† http://www.cubaheritage.com.† The specific web page below is the official Cuba biography of Fidel Castro.† Its specific URL is http://cubaheritage.com/subs.asp?sID=16&cID=3

Notice carefully from the article below:
1) Fidel Castro attended three Jesuit institutions.† College Lasalle and Colegio Dolores.† "Colegio" in Spanish is a high school or junior college.

2) † He then attended a Jesuit university for "preparatory" studies--obviously, what we would call a "general studies" program--at Colegio Belen.† I say, "general studies," because, after he matriculated from there, he went to law school.

3) Upon graduating from law school he joined the Orthodox or Christian Democrat party.† My European readers will instantly recognize that this is the Roman Catholic Party.† The first Christian Democrat party was begun in Italy under Pius XI in the 1920's.† Pius XI later disbanded that party, to put his full support behind Benito Mussolini and his Fascists.† The leader of the Christian Democrat party was then forced into exile, though he and Pope XI remained on good speaking terms.† It was in London that this leader met a fellow exile--Avro Manhattan.

Returning to Fidel Castro: Castro was obviously fully working for the Jesuits when he joined the Christian Democrat party as a young lawyer.† Not only that: by the time of the Cuban revolution in 1958-59, the Jesuits in Latin America were going fully Marxist-Leninist in ideology, as both Avro Manhattan and a former Jesuit priest, Malachi Martin, well document. Malachi Martin documents how that, in 1963, the Jesuits became fanatic, left-wing Communists, under Pedro Arrupe, himself a Marxist, and a great advocate of Fidel Castro.† Martin documents in his book: "The Jesuits and the Betrayal of the Roman Catholic Church" how the Jesuits proceeded to foment Communist revolutions throughout Latin America and Africa, with Castro's aid.

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Back to Castro and Communist Cuba: the "Calvary Contender," an independent online Baptist periodical, reports that Henry Morris, the writer of the Genesis Flood, says that the Pope recently visited Cuba.† He and Castro shared the same podium.† Pope John Paul II sounded as Communist as Castro.

Here is a blurb from the Calvary Contender:
"POPE & CASTRO SOUND ALIKE ON SOCIALISM-- Fidel Castro and Pope John Paul II met last Nov. Cuba is overwhelmingly Catholic. Catholics are allowed to join its officially atheist Communist Party. The Pope sounds very Castro-esque in his frequent condemnations of capitalism, consumerism and the suffering of the poor (11/19 HT). He told the Nov. UN World Food Summit that the imbalance between the rich and poor ("the haves and have-nots"?) cannot be tolerated. "

That link is at http://home.hiwaay.net/~contendr/1-1-97.html.

Notice above very carefully:
1) Cuba is overwhelmingly Roman Catholic.

2) Roman Catholics are allowed to join the atheist Communist Party.

3) Fidel Castro himself is a graduate of several Jesuit institutions, and is in good standing with the Pope.

4) He was a member of the Roman Catholic Christian Democrat party before starting his Marxist/Leninist revolution.

Albert Rivera, the former Jesuit priest who became a Protestant preacher, said that Castro is a fourth-degree, professed Jesuit.† The circumstantial evidence strongly corroborates that statement.

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The Catholic Church in Cuba has only 720 priests, one for each 8,000 Catholics, compared with the U.S. ratio of one for every 760 Catholics. Moreover, Cuba's lower classes consider the church somewhat foreign; 400 of the priests are Spanish-born (most of them anti-Franco, despite Castro's accusation), and another 100 are foreigners from other countries. Although nearly 85% of Cuba's 6,700,000 population is nominally Catholic, regular church attendance is confined mostly to women and children. Castro himself went to Jesuit-run schools for eleven years and wore a religious medal as a guerrilla in the hills. But he is divorced (though not remarried) and does not go to church. His ten-year-old son, under his mother's influence, has become a Methodist.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...869811,00.html

Fatal Guillotine 11-30-2010 04:37 PM

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Clinton was also a member of Youth Order of DeMolay, but he never actually became a Freemason.[16] He is a member of Kappa Kappa Psi's National Honorary Band Fraternity, Inc. With the aid of scholarships, Clinton attended the Edmund A. Walsh School of Foreign Service at Georgetown University in Washington D.C., receiving a Bachelor of Science in Foreign Service (B.S.F.S.) degree in 1968. It was at Georgetown that he interned for Arkansas Senator J. William Fulbright.[11] While in college he became a brother of Alpha Phi Omega and was elected to Phi Beta Kappa.[17]

Upon graduation he won a Rhodes Scholarship to University College, Oxford where he studied government.[12]

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Martin: We're just about there. Let's talk about Bill Clinton. How do you see Bill Clinton in relationship to the Jesuits? And how do you see Al Gore? What can our readers glean from what you're saying about their power base?

Phelps: Well, we must remember: where did Bill Clinton come from? How did he become Governor? His father was a powerful political figure, because his mother was nothing. So, he came from nothing to being something, through some powerful political figure, probably the Kennedys.

It's rumored that John Kennedy was his father; could be. In any event, Clinton was trained by the Jesuits of Georgetown. He was the class president of his junior year, I believe. His senior year, he was not re-elected because the student body said he was 'too close to the Jesuit faculty'.

So, he was groomed by the Jesuits to be a powerful political leader. He was put in place in Arkansas, runs that scam there, while he's Governor, in the drug trade, belonging to Rome, working with Reagan in the drug trade, and Bush. Then he's made President.

Remember the picture of him at Georgetown, kneeling at the grave of Timothy Healy? That says it all. He is the complete and total pawn of the Jesuit Order ruling from Georgetown University. He does anything they want him to do. He hasn't resisted a thing.

That's why he's untouchable. He can commit any crime. He can do any act of evil, and never be prosecuted, because they'll call on traitors like Arlen Spector to vindicate him. And, of course, Arlen Spector was Spelly's Jew in the Kennedy assassination-evil, wicked, lifetime Senator from Pennsylvania, which shows me that there are no elections anymore. Nobody voted for Arlen Spector who I know. He's a gun-grabber. So, they made him a life-time Senator. They made Teddy Kennedy a lifetime Senator.

Bill Clinton is completely at their beck and call. He will get out of office. He will live happily ever after, unless he starts talking. If he starts talking, he's done. He is NOT a Baptist. He is loyal to the Jesuit Order.

http://www.whale.to/b/pope.html


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Much of the change, students and faculty members agree, was wrought by the Rev. Timothy S. Healy, the late Jesuit priest who was president from 1976 to 1989. His red-brick accomplishments are there for all to see: dormitories, classroom buildings, a student center, new academic buildings and additions to the medical school and the law school. When Bill Clinton arrived in 1964, the campus had 34 buildings; today it has 86.

More important, Georgetown people say, Father Healy invested the university with academic excellence. "He revived intellectualism here," said Rob Pegoraro, a graduating senior from Tewksbury Township, N.J. "He was the first to push the university as one of the best in the country."

In the mid-1960's, Bill Clinton, a Protestant from the Deep South, was in a distinct minority at Georgetown, which was still a relatively exclusive Catholic university for men. Women were admitted to the Schools of Foreign Service, Nursing, and Languages and Linguistics, but the university did not become fully coeducational until 1969, when Georgetown College admitted women.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...linton,%20Bill


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It should also be noted that President Bill Clinton was educated at the foremost Jesuit training center, Georgetown University. According to Saussy, Clinton's biographer David Maraniss said "the President owed his formidable skills as a criminal defendant to 'his training in casuistry at Georgetown University.'" Casuistry is equivocal to rationalization, "to cause something to seem reasonable, to provide plausible but untrue reasons for conduct."

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/chan...id=1108&page=2



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President Bill Clinton (SFS '68)

http://www.georgetown.edu/

Fatal Guillotine 11-30-2010 04:39 PM

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George John Tenet (born January 5, 1953) was previously the Director of Central Intelligence for the United States Central Intelligence Agency and is Distinguished Professor in the Practice of Diplomacy at Georgetown University. Tenet held the position as the DCI from July 1997 to July 2004, making him the second-longest serving director in the agency's history — behind Allen Welsh Dulles — as well as one of the few DCIs to serve under two U.S. presidents of opposing political parties.

[...]

Tenet was born in Flushing, Queens, New York to Albanian-Greek immigrant parents[1][2] John Tenet and Evangelina.[3] Tenet was raised in Little Neck, Queens where he and his brother Bill worked as busboys in their family's diner (later renamed the Scobee Diner). He attended Public School 94, Louis Pasteur Junior High School 67, and Benjamin N. Cardozo High School (he was a classmate of Ron Jeremy and actor Reginald VelJohnson).[4] Tenet holds a bachelor's degree (1976) from the Edmund A. Walsh School of Foreign Service at Georgetown University and a master's degree from the School of International and Public Affairs at Columbia University (1978).

Tenet is married to Stephanie Glakas-Tenet. They have one son, John Michael.[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Tenet


http://www3.georgetown.edu/sfs/progr...letter_2-2.pdf


Since we have incontrovertible admissions from the horse's mouth itself, that being Jesuit Georgetown University of course, confirming indeed that ole Georgie Tenet did attend its Edmund Walsh School of Foreign Service, we simply need look no further, the proof has been delivered.

Fatal Guillotine 11-30-2010 04:44 PM

http://www.nndb.com/people/248/00002...liningCrop.jpg



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William Joseph Casey (March 13, 1913 – May 6, 1987) was the Director of Central Intelligence from 1981 to 1987. In this capacity he oversaw the entire US Intelligence Community and personally directed the Central Intelligence Agency.

A native of Queens, New York, Casey graduated from Fordham University in 1934 and earned a law degree from St. John's University School of Law in 1937. During World War II, he worked for the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) — the predecessor to the CIA — and was awarded the Bronze Star Medal for meritorious achievement. After practicing corporate law in New York, he served in the Nixon Administration as the chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission from 1971 to 1973[1]; this position led to his being called as a prosecution witness against former Attorney General John N. Mitchell and former Commerce Secretary Maurice Stans in an influence-peddling case stemming from international financier Robert Vesco's $200,000 contribution to the Nixon reelection campaign.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Casey
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fordham_University
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_J...ty%2C_New_York


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William Joseph Casey powerful and controversial director of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) from 1981 to 1987 during the Ronald Reagan administration.

Casey graduated from Fordham University (B.S., 1934), studied at the Catholic University of America, Washington, D.C., and took a law degree from St. John's University, Jamaica, N.Y. (1937).
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/...illiam-J-Casey


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William J. Casey, the Director of Central Intelligence until last February, whose role in the Iran-contra affair is under scrutiny in Congress, died of pneumonia yesterday in Glen Cove Community Hospital on Long Island. He was 74 years old. Mr. Casey died less than 24 hours after the first witness in Congressional hearings on the affair named him as having assisted in providing arms to Nicaraguan rebels after Congress forbade such support.

[...]

William Joseph Casey was born on March 13, 1913, in Elmhurst, Queens, the son of William J. and Blanche La Vigne Casey. He earned a bachelor's degree at Fordham University in 1934. After graduate work at the Catholic University of America, in Washington, he went on to earn a law degree at St. John's University in 1937.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...pagewanted=all


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William Joseph Casey 1913-87, American public official, b. New York City. After graduating from Fordham Univ. (B.S., 1934) he obtained a law degree from St. Johns Univ. (1937). During World War II he became an important official in the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) and helped supervise clandestine operations in Europe. After the war he became a successful tax lawyer. A conservative Republican, he held several high positions in the Nixon and Ford administrations, including chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission (1973-74) and head of the Export-Import Bank (1975). In 1980 he served as chairman of President Reagan's campaign committee. Between 1981 and 1987, he served as director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), where he was responsible for an aggressive expansion of clandestine activities. He was one of the central figures in the complex sequence of covert activities known as the Iran-contra affair . On Dec. 15, 1986, shortly after the affair became public, Casey suffered a serious stroke. He died of brain cancer the next year without revealing the details of his involvement in the events.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Wi...:Casey-Wi-full

From these various 'official' mainstream sources, I think we can now safely assume that the late William Joseph Casey, former head of the CIA, was indeed educated at Jesuit Fordham University NYC.

Fatal Guillotine 11-30-2010 04:48 PM

King Juan Carlos with the present head of the Knights of Malta Grandmaster Andrew Cardinal Bertie 2000


http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e3...ec125_pic2.jpg


Shaking hands with the Black Pope, Peter Hans Kolvenbach.

Flashing the ole Order of the Garter regalia.



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JUAN CARLOS DE BORBON Y BORBON was born on January 5th, 1938 in Rome, where the Royal Family was living at that time, having had to leave Spain when the Republic was proclaimed in 1931. His father, Don Juan de Borbon y Battenberg, Count of Barcelona and Head of the Spanish Royal Household ever since King Alfonso XIII had relinquished this status, and his mother, Dona Maria de las Mercedes de Borbon y Orleans.

At the express wish of his father, he was educated in Spain, which he visited for the first time at the age of ten. In 1954 he completed his Baccalaureate at the San Isidro School in Madrid, and in 1955 began his studies at the Academies and Military Colleges of the Army, the Navy and the Air Force. During this time he carried out his practice voyage as a midshipman on the training ship Juan Sebastian Elcano and qualified as a military pilot. In 1960.61 he completed his education at Madrid's Complutense University, where he studied constitutional and international law, economics and taxation.



http://www.sispain.org/english/politics/royal/king.html

http://www.nndb.com/people/957/000024885/

San Isidro School in Madrid:



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Colegio Imperial de Madrid (also known as the Colegio Imperial de la Compañía de Jesús or El Colegio de San Pedro y San Pablo de la Compañía de Jesús en la Corte) was the name of a Jesuit teaching institution in Madrid.

Founded at the end of the sixteenth century and reached its peak in the seventeenth century, acquiring the title of "Imperial College" thanks to the patronage of the Empress Maria, daughter of Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor and the wife of Maximilian II, Holy Roman Emperor. Philip IV of Spain is considered the founder of the Reales Estudios in 1625. Subjects included theology, philosophy, geography, and the sciences. Lope de Vega, Francisco de Quevedo and Pedro Calderón de la Barca can be counted amongst the institution's pupils. The institution's library served as the most important one in Madrid until the 18th century, large part of which is now shared by the Universidad Complutense y la Real Academia de la Historia.

When the Society of Jesus was suppressed in 1767, Charles III of Spain re-established the university as the Reales Estudios de San Isidro in 1770, as a continuation of the studies there. The Jesuits returned from 1816-1820; 1823-1834. Between 1835 and 1845, it became once again a lay institution, with the name of Estudios Nacionales, incorporating with the Universidad Literaria de Madrid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colegio_Imperial_de_Madrid



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Next door, the Instituto de San Isidro once went by the name of Colegio Imperial and, from the 16th century on, was where many of the country's leading figures were schooled by the Jesuits.

Fatal Guillotine 11-30-2010 04:53 PM

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Timothy Francis Leary (October 22, 1920 – May 31, 1996) was an American writer, psychologist, modern pioneer and advocate of psychedelic drug research and use, and one of the first people whose remains have been sent into space. An icon of 1960s counterculture, Leary is most famous as a proponent of the therapeutic and spiritual benefits of LSD. He coined and popularized the catch phrase "Turn on, tune in, drop out."

Leary was born in Springfield, Massachusetts, an only child[1] of an Irish American dentist who abandoned the family when Leary was 13. He graduated from Springfield's Classical High School. Leary attended three different colleges and was disciplined at each.[1] He studied for two years at the College of the Holy Cross in Worcester, Massachusetts. Leary received a bachelor's degree in psychology at the University of Alabama in 1943. An obituary of Leary in the New York Times said he had a "discipline problem" there as well, but that he "finally earned his bachelor's degree in the U. S. Army during World War II,"[1] when he served as a sergeant in the Medical Corps. Leary, who later became a counterculture icon and LSD proponent, dropped out of the class of 1943 at The United States Military Academy at West Point. He received a master's degree at Washington State University in 1946, and a Ph.D. in psychology at the University of California, Berkeley in 1950[2]. The title of Leary's Ph.D. dissertation was, "The Social Dimensions of Personality: Group Structure and Process." He went on to become an Assistant Professor at Berkeley (1950-1955), a director of psychiatric research at the Kaiser Family Foundation (1955-1958), and a lecturer in psychology at Harvard University (1959-1963). He was officially expelled from the faculty of Harvard for failing to conduct his scheduled class lectures; however, his contribution to the spreading popularity of then-legal psychedelic substances among Harvard students due to his research and other activities played a large part in the move to dismiss him.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Leary




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The College of the Holy Cross is an exclusively undergraduate Roman Catholic liberal arts college located in Worcester, Massachusetts, USA. Holy Cross is the oldest Roman Catholic college in New England and one of the oldest in the United States.

Opened as a school for boys under the auspices of the Society of Jesus, it was the first Jesuit college in New England. Today, Holy Cross is one of 28 member institutions of the Association of Jesuit Colleges and Universities and is part of a consortium with other Worcester colleges, including Worcester Polytechnic Institute and Clark University. On July 1, 2000, Rev. Michael C. McFarland, S.J. became the current president of the college. As of June 2007, the Holy Cross endowment was valued at $660 million.[1]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_the_Holy_Cross

http://www.holycross.edu/


http://www.holycross.edu/departments...y40.FINAL2.jpg
Leary in '42 at Holy Cross College.


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Less well-known is the fact that Leary's college career began at Holy Cross. Indeed, in some ways, his lifelong battle with authority was prefigured by his tenure on Mount St. James.

Leary came to Holy Cross in the fall of 1938. Living on the fourth floor of Fenwick Hall in room 38, he took courses in Latin, Latin composition, English, English composition, religion, history, math and French. By his second semester, according to Robert Greenfield's Timothy Leary: A Biography, Leary was taking bets on sports events and running a continuous poker game. He did so well that he was able to buy himself a car, which enabled him to explore the bars of Worcester and pick up local girls. Soon he was traveling to Boston and New York. It was at Holy Cross that he is said to have lost his faith in Catholicism.

The summer after his first year, Leary passed the entrance examination for West Point and planned to spend the intervening time in New York. His mother insisted, however, that he return to Holy Cross, and apparently his second year was another one of little study and much drinking and womanizing. The College has no records of Leary being disciplined, however, and his transcript simply states that he voluntarily withdrew.


http://www.holycross.edu/departments.../GAA/gaa8.html



Confirmation from the horse's mouth, proof delivered.

TheBoarzHeadBoy 11-30-2010 05:11 PM

Most famous people are Catholic? Mein Gott! Ze Conspiracy!

Ad Maiorem Dei Gloriam

Fatal Guillotine 11-30-2010 05:16 PM

jesuit trained

its clear your missing the whole point of this thread

TheBoarzHeadBoy 11-30-2010 05:27 PM

So are you suggesting that their training put them on the path to commit attrocities?
Or that the fact they were already on that path led them towards the church?

Or are you making correlations when there is no causation at all and you at best might be looking at lurking variables throwing a spanner in the works of your information.

I find it interesting also how many nuts have been drawn to the church (though not surprising). But I'm not sure what you're getting at. Do these threads have a point or are you just putting up information for casual reading?

Fatal Guillotine 11-30-2010 05:37 PM

what do you think they mean because all the info is there

Fatal Guillotine 11-30-2010 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBoarzHeadBoy (Post 2007095)
So are you suggesting that their training put them on the path to commit attrocities?
Or that the fact they were already on that path led them towards the church?

Or are you making correlations when there is no causation at all and you at best might be looking at lurking variables throwing a spanner in the works of your information.

I find it interesting also how many nuts have been drawn to the church (though not surprising). But I'm not sure what you're getting at. Do these threads have a point or are you just putting up information for casual reading?

dont assume, if would have taken the time out to read the first two posts you'll see where i show all the factual sources, also if your aware of secret societies imo it would be beneficial to know who's who

the sole purpose of these threads is to informed people and to awaken them

Fatal Guillotine 11-30-2010 06:04 PM

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Patrick Joseph Buchanan (born November 2, 1938) is a U.S. politician, author, syndicated columnist and broadcaster. He ran in the 2000 presidential election on the Reform Party ticket. He also sought the Republican presidential nomination in 1992 and 1996.

Buchanan was a senior advisor to three American presidents, Nixon, Ford and Reagan, and was an original host on CNN's Crossfire. He also co-founded The American Conservative magazine and launched The American Cause, a paleoconservative foundation. He has been published in many publications, including Human Events, National Review, The Nation and Rolling Stone.

On American television, he is currently a political commentator on the MSNBC cable network and a regular on The McLaughlin Group.

Buchanan was born on November 2, 1938, in Washington, D.C., the son of Catherine Elizabeth (née Crum) (Charleroi, Pennsylvania, 23 December 1911 – Oakton, Virginia, 18 September 1995), a nurse and a homemaker, and William Baldwin Buchanan (Virginia, 15 August 1905 – Washington, D. C., January 1988), a partner in an accounting firm (whose paternal grandmother was the daughter of a Confederate Officer), who married on 28 December 1936.[1][2] Buchanan had six brothers (Brian, Henry, James, John, Thomas, and William Jr.) and two sisters (Kathleen and Bay).[3] One sister, Bay Buchanan, served as U.S. Treasurer under Ronald Reagan. Buchanan has German, Scots Irish, and Irish ancestry.[4] He had a great-grandfather who fought in the American Civil War on the Confederate side. He expresses pride in his Southern heritage. He is also a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans[5] and admires Robert E. Lee.[6]

Buchanan was baptized into the Roman Catholic Church and has remained Catholic throughout his life, attending the traditional Latin Mass. He has also spent most of his education at Catholic institutions. He attended Blessed Sacrament School, the Jesuit-run Gonzaga College High School, and Georgetown University in Washington, D.C. In 1992, Buchanan told a Washington Post reporter that he once lobbed an apple at a prostitute on I Street while a high school student. "This is the way our world was," he remarked. "I'm not an angry man. I'm a very happy, contented human being."[7] Buchanan graduated from Gonzaga with a 98 average. He graduated cum laude from Georgetown with degrees in English and Philosophy in 1961.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Buchanan
http://wapedia.mobi/en/Pat_Buchanan


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzaga...ge_High_School
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgetown_University



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Buchanan attended a Catholic elementary and high school, following in the steps of his father and brothers. Deciding to stay in Washington and to continue at a Catholic school, he enrolled in Georgetown University in 1956, studying for a degree in English.

[...]

While suspended from Georgetown, Buchanan learned accounting and took a serious look at his future. He decided to pursue a career in journalism and returned to complete his college education with a more mature attitude. After he graduated with honors from Georgetown in 1961, he entered the journalism school at Columbia University.

http://www.notablebiographies.com/Br...hanan-Pat.html


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Buchanan attended Catholic schools and in 1961 received an A.B. degree in English from Georgetown University in Washington, D.C.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/...ick-J-Buchanan
http://www.google.com/search?q=georg...+1961+OR+%2761

It's remarkable that Buchanan however that, although his Jesuit education is evidenced by confirmations of so many different sources, he doesn't show up as a Georgetown alumnus on Georgetown's very own website.


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