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KJR 03-01-2013 09:28 PM

What's most important to you in hip-hop?
 
So I was thinking recently what was the most important part of hip hop to me. I like hip hop for a lot of different reasons but I think you can sort of quantitate what makes a great album. I think of it like this...

Production (beats, samples, cuts, atmosphere, etc...)
Rhymes (schemes, patterns)
Delivery (how the MCs mic presence is, charisma, breath control etc)
Flow (basically the pattern that the MC follows over/with the beat)
Lyrics (meaning, metaphors, alliterations, double entendres, just wordplay in general)

So what is most important to you guys in the genre of hip-hop? For me, I think the delivery is the most important part. There have been albums that suffer from different things but are still solid and respectable simply due to the brilliance/skill of the MC. It doesn't always have to be deep but as long as the MC is fun/enjoyable to hear, I think that's the most important part.

Paranoid 03-01-2013 11:36 PM

well other then the obvious production, delivery and lyrics to elaborate more...i would say stay within the original formula but put your own spin on it. have talent and substance. speak the truth. clever and interesting record samples. wise beat selection. take time to craft your work and make sure your soul is in it and that what you are saying applies to who you really are and how you really feel. respect the art and those that paved the way. utilize different concepts that are outside the norm and not over used like crime, sex, drugs, cars, clubs, money...

daffy duck 03-02-2013 09:00 AM

melody is the most important for me

KJR 03-02-2013 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Slick (Post 2308406)
well other then the obvious production, delivery and lyrics to elaborate more...i would say stay within the original formula but put your own spin on it. have talent and substance. speak the truth. clever and interesting record samples. wise beat selection. take time to craft your work and make sure your soul is in it and that what you are saying applies to who you really are and how you really feel. respect the art and those that paved the way. utilize different concepts that are outside the norm and not over used like crime, sex, drugs, cars, clubs, money...

Not bad priorities at all.

What makes a "wise beat selection" for you? I'm thinking that what really makes a wise beat selection is simply how a rapper uses it. (raps over/with it) I'm thinking any beat can be a wise selection it just depends how the rapper uses it.

Granted, I guess there are wack beats that aren't good no matter how a rapper uses it. I'm also thinking that depending on the lyrical content, the beat CAN reflect the mood of it. Look at Eminem's "Rock Bottom" for example or Cage's "The Soundtrack".

Paranoid 03-02-2013 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by KJR (Post 2308432)
Not bad priorities at all.

What makes a "wise beat selection" for you? I'm thinking that what really makes a wise beat selection is simply how a rapper uses it. (raps over/with it) I'm thinking any beat can be a wise selection it just depends how the rapper uses it.

Granted, I guess there are wack beats that aren't good no matter how a rapper uses it. I'm also thinking that depending on the lyrical content, the beat CAN reflect the mood of it. Look at Eminem's "Rock Bottom" for example or Cage's "The Soundtrack".

some beats are just flat out wack/boring/repetitive. some rappers are unable to indentify this. i dont really like eminem or cage.

ShaDynasty 03-02-2013 02:52 PM

Are you a market researcher?

Paranoid 03-02-2013 04:32 PM

i was also alittle curious why you're asking all these questions in various threads. i suppose you're curious

KJR 03-03-2013 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Machine Gun Funk (Post 2308481)
Are you a market researcher?

Haha, no I'm just an 18 yr old guy who loves talking about music.

I love hearing other peoples opinions and views on music because it gives me a new perspective. Discussing music is my second favorite pastime. (first being actually listening to it ;) )

I appreciate the opinions though guys.

Even if you don't like Cage, you can see what I mean about the beat reflecting the mood right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ticgNOpUJp8

This song's about Cage's fantasies of killing his stepfather.

Prime8 03-03-2013 08:59 AM

I just want it to 'work.'

There's LPs where the lyrics suck, and the beats are good, and that can still be a good album (e.g. A lot of this Cloud Rap stuff). However, if those same lyrics were put on even better production (like some sick DJ Premier beats), it mightn't 'fit' as nicely.

Personally, the beats have to be at a certain level (even just passable) for me to even listen to the music. I'll listen to different records for different reasons, but if the beats are unlistenable, I don't care what kind of futuristic knowledge you're spittin, you can fuck off.

LORD NOSE 03-03-2013 10:21 AM

good thread

ShaDynasty 03-03-2013 11:43 AM

It needs to sound different, not generic in terms of having interesting sounds and a singular lyrical and rhythmic style.

Like someone said, it needs to work and that means that all the elements form a whole that doesnt sound thrown together.

OntheHorizon 03-03-2013 08:03 PM

It's just a vibe that kind of goes without saying for me. I cant really explain much about it, I dont like lyrical miracles nerd rapppers or Retarded downsyndrome rappers, I dont like simple simon 4 bar loop sample beats or futristic Techno "I made this whole track on a casio keyboard" beats either, I dont like rappers who spit meaningless punchlines about nothing anymore then I like self-righteous preachers rapping on a soapbox...... It's a balance I look for thats getting harder to find as I get older

noel411 03-05-2013 04:39 AM

The most important part for me is what clothes the rappers wear when they're on the streets and also how many people they've shot.

KJR 08-17-2013 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Sosa (Post 2308630)
It needs to sound different, not generic in terms of having interesting sounds and a singular lyrical and rhythmic style.

Like someone said, it needs to work and that means that all the elements form a whole that doesnt sound thrown together.

Good description, the first album that came to mind from that description was "Dr Octagonecologyst". That album is incredibly innovative, great beats, but sometimes the lyrics can be iffy.


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