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Wamukota X 11-09-2005 01:59 PM
Abiogenesis
 
Do Evolutionist believe in Abiogenesis aka Spontaneous Generation?

If so, explain why.

My First Timbs 11-09-2005 02:31 PM
Re: Abiogenesis
 
most do and some dont

the reasoning of why would be a 100 page letter

i believe in abiogenesis and the mechanism of it working in a reducing atmosphere

Wamukota X 11-09-2005 02:59 PM
Re: Abiogenesis
 
I don't understand your response.

LHX 11-09-2005 03:51 PM
Re: Abiogenesis
 
as long as they can see what was there before it

Wamukota X 11-10-2005 09:30 AM
Re: Abiogenesis
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by My First Timbs
most do and some dont

the reasoning of why would be a 100 page letter

i believe in abiogenesis and the mechanism of it working in a reducing atmosphere
Most of the population of Europe during the 1500 and 1600's believed a pile of soiled rags mixed with old corn husk in a corner would give birth to rats after a few days. Today people will laugh at such words but they honestly believed that until they were given more scientific explanations. What scientific experiments or explanations can you offer for your belief in Abiogenesis and, "the mechanism of it working in a reducing atmosphere." I understand this can be a lengthy topic.

Os3y3ris 11-10-2005 10:27 AM
Re: Abiogenesis
 
Most "evolutionists" do NOT believe in abiogenisis. That is ridiculous. Where everything came from, as thats bound to come up, is still a mystery, but on a day to day level, or actually, at any point since the beginning of the universe, the answer is no.

My First Timbs 11-10-2005 12:57 PM
Re: Abiogenesis
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Os3y3ris
Most "evolutionists" do NOT believe in abiogenisis. That is ridiculous. Where everything came from, as thats bound to come up, is still a mystery, but on a day to day level, or actually, at any point since the beginning of the universe, the answer is no.
most evolutionists do believe in abiogenesis

there are several studies on the spontaneous grouping of organic compounds to produce the precursor to rna. i will explain in detail later

Os3y3ris 11-10-2005 02:10 PM
Re: Abiogenesis
 
Hold up. I follow you, but you've got the wrong idea. Abiogenesis as the rise of life, is one thing. Abiogenisis as spontaneous generation, which is another issue entirely, is proven false though. The creation of simple life from protiens and what have you is hardly spontaneous. On a molecular level, it all fits together. What spontaneous generation implies though, is the creation of a fully evolved and developed organism, like the fly, from the presence of something like old meat.

LHX 11-10-2005 02:12 PM
Re: Abiogenesis
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Os3y3ris
Hold up. I follow you, but you've got the wrong idea. Abiogenesis as the rise of life, is one thing. Abiogenisis as spontaneous generation, which is another issue entirely, is proven false though. The creation of simple life from protiens and what have you is hardly spontaneous. On a molecular level, it all fits together. What spontaneous generation implies though, is the creation of a fully evolved and developed organism, like the fly, from the presence of something like old meat.
hahaahahhahahahaaaaaaa

there is no fly - and suddenly there is a fly

on that note



where did all these words come from?

(abiogenesis?)

My First Timbs 11-10-2005 03:29 PM
Re: Abiogenesis
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Os3y3ris
Hold up. I follow you, but you've got the wrong idea. Abiogenesis as the rise of life, is one thing. Abiogenisis as spontaneous generation, which is another issue entirely, is proven false though. The creation of simple life from protiens and what have you is hardly spontaneous. On a molecular level, it all fits together. What spontaneous generation implies though, is the creation of a fully evolved and developed organism, like the fly, from the presence of something like old meat.
u are mistaken

abiogenesis has nothing to do with the spontaneous formation of a living breathing multicellular organism

trust me.. abiogenesis is nothing but the theory of the creation of life ultimately from components that are inanimate

abiogenesis simply explains that life began from inanimate components (those components being organic compounds that lead to the development of the precursor to what we know as biological compounds ie rna, proteins, amino acids.. etc)

the issue of a fully formed creature popping into existence is hardly what abiogenesis refers to

Wamukota X 11-10-2005 04:20 PM
Re: Abiogenesis
 
Abiogenesis and Spontaneous Generation are synonymous.

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Re: Abiogenesis
 
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My First Timbs 11-10-2005 08:41 PM
Re: Abiogenesis
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wamukota X
Abiogenesis and Spontaneous Generation are synonymous.
i agree totally.. but see this is why the language and words ppl use when discussing these topics is so so important!

abiogenesis and spontaneous generation have NOTHING to do with for example a "fly" popping into existence.

when spontaneous generation and abiogenesis are discussed they are referring to the spontaneous grouping of the components of life to form a simple organism (but not a MULTICELLULAR organism!)

thats the crucial detail that cant be glossed over !

Os3y3ris 11-10-2005 11:19 PM
Re: Abiogenesis
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontan...sis_hypotheses

I suppose we're both right. It applies to many theories, some disproved, others accepted.

Wamukota X 11-11-2005 09:33 AM
Re: Abiogenesis
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by My First Timbs
most do and some dont

the reasoning of why would be a 100 page letter

i believe in abiogenesis and the mechanism of it working in a reducing atmosphere
I disagree. First lets get back to the original question. Lets put semantics aside for a moment. You stated, "i believe in abiogenesis and the mechanism of it working in a reducing atmosphere." Can please clarify your statement? I'm just trying to understand your point of view.

EDIT: I disagree with your comment about Abiogenesis and Spontaneous generation.


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