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ballistic 09-05-2005 02:56 PM

lets talk AL & NL MVPs
 
for NL, i have to go with Andruw Jones....i'm aware of Derek Lee and Albert Pujols, but let's take a look at this for a moment. Lee's Cubs aren't making the playoffs, so right there Lee doesn't have much of a case...Chicago obviously needs some other valuable player to take the Cubs to the playoffs (if Garciaparra had been healthy all season, and Ramirez was still in the lineup, maybe they'd be in the wild card race), so it boils down to Pujols vs. Jones. Pujols has more support than Jones, and he's not the Gold Glove fielder that Jones is. AJ has put the Atlanta team on his back and carried them throughout, regardless of Chipper's injuries and the unstable situation in finding everyday fielders to the left and right of Jones. he does it all, on offense and defense...and he'll probably end up with 50+ home runs by the end of the year. have to give it to him...

as for the AL, its not as clear, at least not to me...i feel that Ortiz and Ramirez kind of cancel eachother out in the AL MVP race, so i can't nominate a red sock for the award. similar situation with A-Rod and Sheffield...i'd cite three players in the thick of the AL MVP race: Vladimir Guerrero, Victor Martinez and Paul Konerko. Vlad has carried the Angels, and they are considerably better when he's on the field. Paul Konerko has been the primary power hitter in the W. Sox lineup, so he should certainly be considered. and how about V. Martinez? he's the catcher for Cleveland, and he had a horrible first half of the season...since, he's raised his average about 60 points, hitting for average as well as power, his resurgence corresponding with the Indians' surge. he's a sleeper, and i'm tempted to give it to him in the AL.

who are your candidates?

ballistic 09-06-2005 02:45 PM

Re: lets talk AL & NL MVPs
 
*ups in hope of responses*

maestro wooz 09-06-2005 04:26 PM

Re: lets talk AL & NL MVPs
 
nl is definetley andruw jones, hes ahead of everyone in hr's and rbi's and that, along with wins, is what is really important for mvp voting. Plus hes got the name recognition to win it. In the al, i really dont know. Ortiz and ramirez have mvp numbers but they dont have the hype. Arod has the numbers but has been getting trashed in the media this year.

Wu-Tang 9 09-06-2005 04:45 PM

Re: lets talk AL & NL MVPs
 
Joes defenetly MVP for NL. He has carried the braves all year. with Chip being out for a while, they were still winnig games. He also comforts his fellow Outfeilders. Anything he can get too, he catches. I think Manny Will take the AL. has he had a dissapointing season ever??

ballistic 09-06-2005 09:16 PM

Re: lets talk AL & NL MVPs
 
manny is solid forever...but ortiz is equally as valuable to the sox, so i couldnt really choose either one. their numbers are identical...awesome 1-2 punch. same type of thing with a-rod...he has matsui, jeter, and sheff!!

Jackie Boy 09-07-2005 11:11 AM

Re: lets talk AL & NL MVPs
 
imma go with my man Manny!! in the AL

Jones no doubt in the NL

Roger Clemens or Pedro Martinez hopefully will be ontop of the Cy Young race!

ballistic 09-08-2005 10:34 PM

Re: lets talk AL & NL MVPs
 
hm...thought there were more baseball fans in here...

LHX 09-15-2005 03:59 PM

Re: lets talk AL & NL MVPs
 
NL:
andruw jones average too low

maybe miguel cabrera off the marlins and i guess you gotta talk pujols or maybe even chris carpenter off st. louis

darkhorse: carlos lee off the brewers

AL:
fuck thats tough
michael young?
vlad?

i dont wanna say anybody off the red sox or yanks

its gonna be tight

peace

MefMan36 09-15-2005 05:35 PM

Re: lets talk AL & NL MVPs
 
Ok in the rules it says u shouldnt judge the MVPs by how many games their team has won. so it should be AL-A-Rod and NL-Derrek Lee

ballistic 09-15-2005 06:32 PM

Re: lets talk AL & NL MVPs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LHX
NL:
andruw jones average too low

maybe miguel cabrera off the marlins and i guess you gotta talk pujols or maybe even chris carpenter off st. louis

darkhorse: carlos lee off the brewers

AL:
fuck thats tough
michael young?
vlad?

i dont wanna say anybody off the red sox or yanks

its gonna be tight

peace

yeah but regardless of average, its all about who is the most valuable to their team...if it wasnt for jones, then the braves wouldnt even be in contention for their 14th straight division title...but if you want to look at it on an individual basis, then check out his power numbers, and the fact that he's the best center fielder of the games with, i might add, 1/5 of the errors pujols has, at a HARDER position.
if pujols wasnt there, then the cards would still be contenders.

hellbound 09-15-2005 07:15 PM

Re: lets talk AL & NL MVPs
 
AL Vladimir Guerrero

NL Andruw Jones

LHX 09-15-2005 08:56 PM

Re: lets talk AL & NL MVPs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ballistic
yeah but regardless of average, its all about who is the most valuable to their team...if it wasnt for jones, then the braves wouldnt even be in contention for their 14th straight division title...but if you want to look at it on an individual basis, then check out his power numbers, and the fact that he's the best center fielder of the games with, i might add, 1/5 of the errors pujols has, at a HARDER position.
if pujols wasnt there, then the cards would still be contenders.

yo man

those are good points

its just tough looking at that low average

on the real tho - 50 homeruns in a post-steroid league is pretty incredible

and without that contribution then ATL would get hurt a bit

i got a feelin tho that the braves roster could die in a plane crash and bobby cox would still some how trick a roster of retards to play well enuf to get into the post season

i agree with what you say about pujols too

thats why i kind of lean toward cabrera

ballistic 09-15-2005 09:55 PM

Re: lets talk AL & NL MVPs
 
yeah cabrera is a good candidate...but AJ doesnt have a delgado, encarnacion, or paul lo duca.

and yeah, Vlad is a solid contender too.

LHX 09-16-2005 07:25 AM

Re: lets talk AL & NL MVPs
 
yeah

i think my mind has been officially changed

its hard to go against andruw jones

ballistic 09-16-2005 01:50 PM

Re: lets talk AL & NL MVPs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LHX
yeah

i think my mind has been officially changed

its hard to go against andruw jones

lol glad to make a difference in your a life...actually ESPN has a poll on their front page about this very topic, and their candidates are pujols, lee, and jones...jones is the overwhelming favorite, with about 50% of the votes. glad to see someone from my braves is going to garner the award...(hopefully)


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