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Old 06-11-2008, 10:13 AM   #25
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Historians agree that the ancient inhabitants of Iraq were black.
-You have provided no reference to any "historians" who "agree" the "ancient inhabitants of Iraq were black". This is not a common scientific argument, and those who make the claims ignore the fact that "colored" does not mean "black" and "black", though a reference to skin color is generally accepted as of "sub-Saharan-African" decent- or having "Negroid" racial characteristics. Again- noone is denying the ancient Iraqis, Arabs, Hebrews, or some other groups of people were dark skinned, brown, light brown, high yellow or otherwise. They are not of sub-Saharan African decent in the sense you are trying to make them. I will elaborate below...

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The first chromosome from continental Africa (M89) dates back to about 45,000 years ago. This would match an initial grand migration of populations out of Africa into the Middle East and Asia. The second is a more recent African marker which is called M172, and that dates back to just 12,000 years ago; which could lend support to the tradition of secondary waves of migration from the Red Sea area of Africa to the Levant..
-It is common knowledge, and scientifically accepted fact that modern humans first evolved in Africa. To say the chromosomes of ANYONE can be traced 12,000-45,000 years back to Africa isn't saying much. This is preaching to the choir. You ignore the fact that this study is referencing MODERN "Phoenicians". If modern Phoenicians are decendants of ancient Pheonicians, or the Phoenicians of biblical times (4000bc-100bc), and if those Phoenicians were "black" or of African decent, wouldn't the chromosomes in these people be more recent... say from 6,000 years ago at most? I don't think you understand genetic research in the slightest bit, so that question was rhetorical. I will answer it for you- George W. Bush most likely has the same chromosome.

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Afro-Asiatic people.
-Afro-Asiatic is not "black". Afro, when in reference to genetics and anthropology specifically is referring to Sub-Saharan African. When in conjunction with another genetic identifier- say, Asiatic- it is generally in reference to races other than Sub-Saharan African or Congoid (formerly Negroid).

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According to Egyptian traditions the first Egyptians called themselves ‘Anu’ or ‘Ani’. They indicated they were originally a colony of Kushites (i.e. ‘ethiops’) from southern Nubia (Sudan) who migrated north down the Nile River Valley to the delta region with their cattle..
-The Kushites (Sudan) were pre-Egyptian peoples- meaning their kingdom thrived long before a unified Egypt. The Egyptians migrated south, and at one point Egypt was conquered by the Kushites (or Nubians). They are not one and the same peoples, though their cultures were highly communicative.

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“Eur-ope” translates from Greek as “broad-face”. Some would argue this is additional proof of her ‘ethi-opic’ or African connections since broad faces are hardly a common feature among people of so-called Semitic, Indo-Scythian, or Caucasian origin..
-Your statement is not only incorrect, it is contradictory to your position.

(In ancient Greek mythology, Europa was a Phoenician princess whom Zeus abducted after assuming the form of a dazzling white bull. He took her to the island of Crete where she gave birth to Minos, Rhadamanthus and Sarpedon. For Homer, Europe (Greek: Εὐρώπη, Eurṓpē; see also List of traditional Greek place names) was a mythological queen of Crete, not a geographical designation. Later Europa stood for mainland Greece, and by 500 BC its meaning had been extended to lands to the north.

Etymologically, the dominant theory suggests the name Europe is derived from the Greek roots meaning broad (eur-) and eye (op-, opt-), hence Eurṓpē, "wide-gazing" (compare with glaukōpis (grey-eyed) Athena or boōpis (ox-eyed) Hera). Broad has been an epithet of Earth itself in the reconstructed Proto-Indo-European religion. A minority, however, suggest that it is really based on a Semitic word such as the Akkadian erebu meaning "to go down, set",[4] cognate to Phoenician 'ereb "evening; west" and Arabic Maghreb, Hebrew ma'ariv. See also Erebus, PIE *h1regwos, "darkness".)

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Blacks are the originators...
-On this we can agree... however that has nothing to do with Hebrews being black, nor does any of the rest of your post. Even if Egyptians are proven to be black- Hebrews are not from Egypt. Even if Ancient Phoenicians migrated from Africa 12,000-45,000 years ago, so did everyone else.

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You speak with no evidence. Speaking of common knowledge, are u aware of the fact that it was once "common knowledge" that "the earth is flat"?
-This was due to a lack of evidence to the contrary, and a lack of an organized scientific community which we have today... HOWEVER there are mountains of data proving that ancient civilizations did not view the earth as flat, rather some cultures even measured the axis at which it is tilted, the distance from the sun, when the sun would shine where, the length of days, months, years, etc.- all this is based on the premise that the Earth is a sphere and revolves around the Sun. Read up on the Incas, buddy, and since you claim to know so much about the Egyptians, read up on their science as well.

As for the Hebrews, it IS common knowledge that they are Semitic. Your lack of knowledge of this subject is akin to not knowing George Washington was the first President of the US... don't blame me for your ignorance, thank me for educating you.

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I have already provided a statement and a link prooving the ancient Hebrews were black
-You've proven the theory exists, but no evidence to support it.

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You seem to not want to accept the truth.
-You do not provide sufficient "truth" to make this judgement.

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Your mind has been effectively and thoroughly "whitewashed".
-How does this comment support your argument? You are only proving my assessment of Black Hebrew Israelites who have formulaic and confrontational responses, especially when faced with scientific evidence and logical arguments.

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When did I mention pride and comfort?
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Do u believe in truth, or do u feel comfort in hearing and believing lies?
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The white man has for centuries lied about the black man's place in history
-This is an implied reference to the pride in knowing your place in history.

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Why are u so defensive and telling me your ethnic backgrounds?
-In attempting to shower yourself with pride in "knowing" your Hebrew "heritage", you attempt to strip those who pride themselves in their African heritage of that pride. It is offensive, derrogatory, and ignorant to associate and substitute the attributes of one great culture for that of another simply because you have been misinformed. You are trading misinformation for misinformation. The "defensiveness" you sense is something you lack- passion for my love of my TRUE culture. No offense against Hebrews, but I see no pride in substituting my own history for theirs.

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How did God and religion get into this?
-You must seriously think we are all stupid. Black Hebrew Israelites is a religion. You are spewing religious rhetoric, postinge biblical verses, and claiming a place in history currently occupied by a culture that is identified by it's religion- YET YOU ASK HOW RELIGION GOT INTO THIS???

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Yes there was a time when the Euro-savages invaded Egypt, but the original inhabitants were black
-What does that have to do with Cleopatra, the last Pharaoh of Egypt, and the last regent of the Ptolemeic dynasty began by Ptolemy- a Greek/Macedonian General under Alexander the Great??? SHE WAS GREEEEEK!

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You went off topic!
-So you reference Black Hebrew Israelite teachings and you say I am off topic when I reference other Black Hebrew Israelite beliefs???

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Off topic!
-This is not off topic. You are getting your information from Black Hebrew Israelites and this is what they believe. You sound like the Mormons that come to my house and get mad saying I'm making shit up when I quote the "Pearl of Great Price" or "Doctrines and Covenants". THIS IS FUNDAMENTAL BLACK HEBREW ISRAELITE BELIEF and if you are married to SOME of their teachings which are not scientific, you are married to ALL of their teachings...
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