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Old 10-01-2009, 04:49 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by FMJ View Post

Do you understand what the 'spirit' is? There is the Rouh and the Nafs. Which one are you talking about? Which one was breathed into Adam. What is the purpose of the Nafs and what is the purpose of the Rouh?

No we are NOT the children of the most high. That is not an Islamic statement.

005.018 (Both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are sons of Allah, and his beloved." Say: "Why then doth He punish you for your sins? Nay, ye are but men,- of the men he hath created: He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and He punisheth whom He pleaseth: and to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between: and unto Him is the final goal (of all)"

Think about what you have said and read the above verse carefully. You still wanna claim to be a child of The Most High?

Where in the Quran does it say we were created in Allah's image? Again, that is NOT an Islamic statement.

^^What exactly are you talking about?

You are putting together things that do not belong together. Those different names mean different things.

We are reflections of Allah? Where does this statement come from?

Why must you say the highlighted statement?
When I say Spirit, I say it with the definition that was given in The Qur'an.

I believe we are His Children, in the sense that we are highly favored among all of His creatures. Therefore, I see His caring for us the same way as I see a Parent caring for his or her child. The Christians say this, but as you know, they do not FEEL what they say. I identify with the Christian term, "Father God" whole-heartedly and that's where I stand on it. It's not like I'm saying we are his BEGOTTEN children. Do remember the Order of Angels that are called, "Beni Elohim", or, "Sons of God". It's the same for them. They aren't His cradle-born children, however, they serve Him and Him alone and they were obviously worthy of their rank. The real question here is, are we?

Yes, I still claim to be a child of The Most High, because the people that are being spoken of in the above-mentioned verse, are those who changed the scripture, slew prophets, etc. If you want me to say, "I'm a servant of The Most High", which is an Islamic Statement, then I would take that title as well. Just because I choose to identify with a more personal title as well, doesn't make me wrong. Instead of getting tied up with technicalities that really make no difference when it comes to matters of following The 5 Pillars, I choose to take what makes sense to me and go with it.

In The Qur'an, it doesn't state that He created us in His Image. However, in Sunnah, which one, I'll tell you later, it states that Allah said, "I decided that I should be known, so I created man."

What exactly am I talking about? I'm talking about everything that would be considered impossible for a human being to accomplish in terms of metaphysics and quantum theory. Telekinesis, defiance of gravity, etc.

Those names mean different things? Maybe in the newer, more technically-impaired world where everything is about minor detail and how a word is used according to who you talk to. Again, I don't bother with such things because I consider it useless. Since you want to talk about Islam, God judges us based on our intentions, and God knows my intention for posting that.

"We are relfections of Him and His ability." comes from me. My personal insights, experiences, meditations and reflections. That's all I need. You on the other hand....well.....

I must say the highlighted statement because that's what I was meant to say. It's part of the reason I'm here.
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