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Old 05-09-2010, 04:09 AM   #22
knewcheeze
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PEACE!!!!!!!!!

"Depends of the way of exposing the subject but somene who tells you the truth aint accusing you. "

yes someone who tells one the truth is not accusing

eye agree

"Yes it's true. The message that Muhammad brougth is the one to follow"

*knowcheeze makes hand movements in the
face of Slim T like Prince did applonia in purple rain*

ahhhhh..."hell spawn"....no its not true

the message that Muhammad brought is
one of the ways to follow...yes!
but
it is not "the one" because there are others

finally at last you have jumped on that
particular theoretical position
...at last.....have fun at that childish fairy tale
position.......very similar to the christians who
think Jesus is "the one"


and really it raises red flags like....um.....
why do you say the ONE to follow just
happens to be the MOdern day cultural
Arab

"and the 5% ideology has nothing to do with islam,"

your sense of history got honey stains on it
bee vomit all over the place!!!!
eye smell lamb kabob

Ahmad Ibn Hanbal was imprisoned and tortured for twenty-eight months under the Abbasid caliph al-Mu`tasim in an effort to force him to publicly espouse the [Mu`tazila] position

n 1306 Ibn Taymiyyah was imprisoned in the citadel of Cairo for eighteen months on the charge of anthropomorphism. He was incarcerated again in 1308 for several months.

Yes eye concede that the unceen
form of Allah is beyond life and death
but
eye have been telling you that
related to the Bible and Quran

Allah....in his living manifest
form

has hands, eyes, feet....just like da QUran
says he does

" I dont even know why you use islamic terms. It is more similar to the corrupted judaism : a divine religion for a divine race. "

whut could you say as the planets get further and further away?

ummmm.....this is the official definition
of whut qualifies one as a 5 percent.....
these are the bare minimum requirements
om about to list
1)one who's number one target group
to teach is the poor and righteous
or the ones who suffer from
the rich and snake like
2)one who does not believe the
rich bloodsucker of the poor
3)all wise
4)teach the living God is the black man of asia
5)teach freedom justice equality to all
the human family of the planet earth

so eye don't really deal with any divine
chosen people and at the end of the day
eye can fall back into the position
that that guy in the white robe who rolled
up on Muhammad and his people
was a human and his name is Jahbreel

the people whom Allah sent
his Prophets and Messengers to
are the "chosen people"

it has nothing to do with race

and furthermore the "chosen people"
are not superior to any man woman
mosquito, ant, wu tang killer bee
a camel on mars
or anything else

its just a descriptive term

"and you cant accept it, isnt it ?"

huh?

eye been saying over and over again
that Muhammad is a modern arab
so obviously eye can accept it

"Of course all messengerrs like all human beigns will be gathered for the judgement day."

"77:11 And when the messengers are made to reach their appointed time,"

thats your cultural interpertation of it

the verses that preceed it are setting
a description of the last days
and then it says Messengers(plural)
are made
to reach their appointed time

whut is a Messengers appointed time????

thats when they begin their mission

"Al Mahdi is not a messenger he's a human beign like me and you."

now you slippin

owl let you off easy and just focus on
the fact you didn't mention
Isa(Jesus) ....its Mahdi and Jesus

Jesus is a prophet

whooooops

"I already tld you Muhammad is the last of the prophets (the seal of the prophehts) "

never have eye denied this

"Search for the description of the angels in their original forms and you'll understand why."

yeah the unceen is downright dreadfull at times

"Allah allowed to Jesus and gave him the supernatural power to ressurect the deads (remember this story in the bible of a woman who touched him and get cured, he even didnt know who it was),"

yes the human Allah or his human angels
combined with others taught Jesus

"source"

have you given any sources yet
for your interpertations of the QUran?

"no"

you haven't heard of it....big suprise

"His existance is evident, in no way the manifest or the seen."

057.003 He is the First and the Last, the Evident and the Hidden: and He has full knowledge of all things.

okay....from the very same translation you used above for 57:3

how does sura 4:34 look in that translation you used....

004.034 Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because God has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what God would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance): For God is Most High, Great (above you all).


BEAT THEM LIGHTLY?????

huh?

thats one stellar translation there...

my translation doesn't say to beat women

step your game up

"and submitted to god annd followed Muhammad. "

that could be debated

"there is no such a thing as son of god."

thats not whut the old testament says
nor the New testament.....we are all sons of God

sons of GOd was deleted much from
the old testament yet it stilll appears

"112:1 Say: He is God, the One and Only;
112:2 God, the Eternal, Absolute;
112:3 He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
112:4 And there is none like unto Him. "

hahahaa

In verse two, God is referred to as a-amad. This word is the hapax legomenon of the Qur'an. Even today there is no agreement as to what the word means.[2] It is often translated as "Eternal" or "He to whom all depend," but this is not the lexical meaning of the word. By the time of al-Tabari (d. 923) the orthodox reading equated amad with mumat, "solid, of even composition, massive, compact, or not hollow (i.e. without a stomach cavity)."[3] Al-Ash'ari (d. 935), in his Maqalt al-Islmyn observed: "Many people say, 'He (God) is solid,' interpreting the word of God 'amad' to mean solid, i.e., not hollow."[4] The greatest of the Sahaba (Companions) and the Tabi'un (Successors) attached this meaning to the word: Ibn Abbas, al-Hasan, Sa'id b. Jubayr, Mujahid, ad-Dahhak, Sa'id b. al-Mausayyib, Ikrimah. The great men of the Salaf understood this word to mean that God is a massive, solid being, not hollow (i.e. without a stomach cavity).[5] God is thus a physical being.
Read m
as far as he beget not nor is he begotten

thats speaking of the unceen form of Allah

but it also speaks about the living GOd
too...but you not ready for that

the Quran doesn't say Allah is only
a human or unceen....because
unceen beings don't sit on a throne
with feet on a stool

the Quran says

the likeness of Jesus with Allah is as the likeness of Adam.

"So more than an identity problems, you seem to reject the arabic prophet because you racist and a paranoid who thinks : "

stop throwing those strawmen up

eye told you from the beginning that
people like YOU say "THE ONE" everyone should
follow is Muhammad......is the reason eye bring this up

om wondering why you are so obsessed with
having everyone follow an Arab culture?

cee how eye threw that bullshit back in your face?

"LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL you really believe that ? So orthodox muslims whethehr thhey are white; black or sand hates black people ? lol this is so funny. You mean Ali Clay, Malclm X, Kareem Abduljabar, Shareed Abdurraheem, Freeway and Mike Tyson hate black people ? "

strawman

"You can't judge a religin according to men's acts."

you most certainly can

"Who's the elitist, the one who claim the Quran is a book for all mankind wich are equals or the one who claim a certain race is superior and godly and is the only one that'll be saved ?"

when did eye ever say any certain race
is superior and the only one that will be saved????

eye think eye made it quite clear that
everyone's greatest GOd is the one looking
and them in the mirror....

regardless of who they are

"Those wh don't believe in the unicity of god or associate someone/something to him will rot in hellfire"

yes your children get injected with pork
but someone else is gonna rot in the hell fire

PEACE
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