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Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
ahhhhh..."hell spawn" its not true

the message that Muhammad brought is
one of the ways to follow...yes!
it is not "the one" because there are others
there are proofs that most of them are corrupted.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
finally at last you have jumped on that
particular theoretical position last.....have fun at that childish fairy tale
position.......very similar to the christians who
think Jesus is "the one"

and really it raises red flags
why do you say the ONE to follow just
happens to be the MOdern day cultural
It is Allah Will.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
your sense of history got honey stains on it
bee vomit all over the place!!!!
eye smell lamb kabob

Ahmad Ibn Hanbal was imprisoned and tortured for twenty-eight months under the Abbasid caliph al-Mu`tasim in an effort to force him to publicly espouse the [Mu`tazila] position

n 1306 Ibn Taymiyyah was imprisoned in the citadel of Cairo for eighteen months on the charge of anthropomorphism. He was incarcerated again in 1308 for several months.

Yes eye concede that the unceen
form of Allah is beyond life and death
eye have been telling you that
related to the Bible and Quran his living manifest

has hands, eyes, feet....just like da QUran
says he does
Dont quote someone who is contradicting what you advance :

1) He would believe in the description that Allah gave to himself in the Quran, or inspired the Prophet with, and affirm them at their face value (Dhahir), while generally negating any resemblance between the Creator and the creation.

2) He would vigorously reject negative theology (Ta’til), as well as allegorical exegesis (Ta’wil), with respect to belief in Allah, which was heavily employed by the Jahmites, Mu’tazilites and the Kullabites (later to be known as the Ash’arites) to justify their philosophical approach to God.

3) He believed that Allah Speaks with letters and sound, for he believed every word and letter of the Quran to be the word of Allah, contrary to the Kullabites, who, in their opposition to the Mu’tazilites, affirmed eternal Speech for Allah, yet still agreed with them in that they believed that the Quran, which is composed of letters, was created.

4) He believed that Allah literally Hears and Sees; that He has two Hands with which He created Adam; that Allah has a Face

5) He believed that Allah literally Rose over the Throne after Creating the heavens and the Earth in six days.

6) He believed that Allah is High above and distinct from His creation

7) He believed that Allah is all Knowing, All Wise, All Power and All Able, and that Allah has His own Will, He Does what He likes out of His Wisdom. Whatever Allah has Written and Decreed upon His creation, must come to pass. Nothing leaves His knowledge, or happens without His Permission or Will.

8) He believed that Allah becomes Pleased when obeyed and Displeased when disobeyed.

9) He would regard the Jahmiyah (followers of al-Jahm ibn Safwan), and the Rafidha (the Imami Shias) who curse the Companions, to be disbelievers (Kuffar).

10) He held that the sinners amongst the Muslims are under the threat of Allah's punishment; that if He wishes He may Punish them or Forgive them; Contrary to the Khawarij. He would not declare a Muslim to be a disbeliever (Kafir) on account of his sins, nor would he exclude actions from Iman unlike the Murjia. Once he was asked about those who declare their belief in the five pillars of Islam, yet refuse to perform them; he said, in reply, they are disbelievers (Kuffar).

11) He believed in the miracles that occurred at the hands of the Awliya (pious Muslims) as a favour from Allah.

12) He believed that Abu Bakr is the best of the Companions, followed by Umar, then the six companions chosen by the latter as Ashab al-Shura (members of Shura council): Uthman, Ali, al-Zubair, Talha, ‘Abd al-Rahman b. ‘Awf and Sa’d b. Abi Waqqas; followed by the fighters of Badr from the Emigrants (Muhajirin) and then the Helpers (Ansar).

13) He prohibited discussions on the differences between the Companions or dislike of any of them; for the honour of Companionship with the Prophet – SallAllahu ‘alaihi wa-sallam – is sufficient a virtue to rank them higher than the entire Muslim Ummah until the end of time.

More than that this is only Ibn Hanbal's understanding, theres 3 other schools that contradict his view of Allah. But I already made my point "he thinks Allah is high above and distinnct from his creations"

Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
" I dont even know why you use islamic terms. It is more similar to the corrupted judaism : a divine religion for a divine race. "

whut could you say as the planets get further and further away?

ummmm.....this is the official definition
of whut qualifies one as a 5 percent.....
these are the bare minimum requirements
om about to list
1)one who's number one target group
to teach is the poor and righteous
or the ones who suffer from
the rich and snake like
2)one who does not believe the
rich bloodsucker of the poor
3)all wise
4)teach the living God is the black man of asia
5)teach freedom justice equality to all
the human family of the planet earth
You totally ignored the black man white devil stuff how politically correct you became !

Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
so eye don't really deal with any divine
chosen people and at the end of the day
eye can fall back into the position
that that guy in the white robe who rolled
up on Muhammad and his people
was a human and his name is Jahbreel

the people whom Allah sent
his Prophets and Messengers to
are the "chosen people"

it has nothing to do with race

and furthermore the "chosen people"
are not superior to any man woman
mosquito, ant, wu tang killer bee
a camel on mars
or anything else
"Nor would he instruct you to take angels and prophets for Lords and patrons. What! would he bid you to unbelief after ye have bowed your will" (Quran 3:80)

"Such as fear not the meeting with Us (for Judgment) say: "Why are not the angels sent down to us, or (why) do we not see our Lord?" Indeed they have an arrogant conceit of themselves, and mighty is the insolence of their impiety!" (Quran 25:21)

Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
thats your cultural interpertation of it

the verses that preceed it are setting
a description of the last days
and then it says Messengers(plural)
are made
to reach their appointed time

whut is a Messengers appointed time????

thats when they begin their mission
This is my interpretatin and every arab speaking person on earth. All the scholars agree that the verb "Iqtattat" (arrusulu iqtattat) means gathered.

Ibn Kathir : قال العوفي عن ابن عباس جمعت . وقال ابن زيد وهذه كقوله تعالى " يوم يجمع الله الرسل " (gathered for the day of jugement)

Al Tabari : يقول تعالى ذكره : وإذا الرسل أجلت للاجتماع لوقتها يوم القيامة . (gathered for the day of jugement)

Al Kortubi : أي جمعت لوقتها ليوم القيامة ,(gathered for the day of jugement).

You're not even twisting the original message you're twisting the english transnlation annd you are far from the truth. There will be no mission anymore the day of jugement.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
"Al Mahdi is not a messenger he's a human beign like me and you."

now you slippin
I'll quote Ibn Hanbal for this one (V1, Page 99) :
The Prophet (PBUH) said: "Allah will bring out from concealment al-Mahdi from my Family and just before the Day of Judgment; even if only one day were to remain in the life of the world, and he will spread on this earth justice and equity and will eradicate tyranny and oppression."

Where you see he is a prophet or an angel ?

Muhammad said:
The world will not come to an end until the Arabs are ruled by a man from my family whose name is the same as mine and whose father’s name is the same as my father’s.
Sunan Abi Dawud, 11/370.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
owl let you off easy and just focus on
the fact you didn't mention
Isa(Jesus) ....its Mahdi and Jesus

Jesus is a prophet

Islam recognises Jesus as the Messiah and he will be back (as we believe he hadnt been crucified) in the same time as Al Mahdi to kill the Antichrist. He will unite all the christians under the banner of islam.

The Prphet Muhhammad said : “A group of my people will not cease fighting for the Truth and will prevail till the Day of Resurrection. And Jesus son of Mary will descend and their (the Muslims’) leader will say, ‘Come and lead us in Prayer.’” (Saheeh Muslim)

also: “God will send the Messiah, son of Mary, who will descend at the white minaret on the eastern side of Damascus wearing two garments, lightly dyed with saffron, his hands resting on the wings of two Angels. When he lowers his head, beads of perspiration will fall from it, and when he raises it up, beads like pearls will scatter from it. Every non-believer who smells him will die, and his breath will reach as far as he is able to see.” (Saheeh Muslim)

“Certainly, the time of prayer shall come, and then Jesus, the son of Mary, will descend and will lead them in prayer. When sees he him, the enemy of God will [begin to] dissolve just as salt does in water.” (Saheeh Muslim)

“He (Jesus) will pursue the False Messiah until he captures him at the gates of Lydda and kills him.” (Saheeh Muslim)

Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
have you given any sources yet
for your interpertations of the QUran?
Whether in english or in arabic I gave you the surats, you can use your eye and read them, it is not hard to understand and theres no hidden significance (unless YOU want to create it).

Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
okay....from the very same translation you used above for 57:3

how does sura 4:34 look in that translation you used....

004.034 Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because God has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what God would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance): For God is Most High, Great (above you all).



وَاضْرِبُوهُنَّ yes

As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance): For God is Most High, Great (above you all).

If your wife turn into a hoe you can beat her, nothing is more logical than this.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
"and submitted to god annd followed Muhammad. "

that could be debated
this is historical fact!!!

Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
"there is no such a thing as son of god."

thats not whut the old testament says
nor the New testament.....we are all sons of God

sons of GOd was deleted much from
the old testament yet it stilll appears
corrupted my brother.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
"112:1 Say: He is God, the One and Only;
112:2 God, the Eternal, Absolute;
112:3 He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
112:4 And there is none like unto Him. "


In verse two, God is referred to as aß-ßamad. This word is the hapax legomenon of the Qur'an. Even today there is no agreement as to what the word means.[2] It is often translated as "Eternal" or "He to whom all depend," but this is not the lexical meaning of the word. By the time of al-Tabari (d. 923) the orthodox reading equated ßamad with mußmat, "solid, of even composition, massive, compact, or not hollow (i.e. without a stomach cavity)."[3] Al-Ash'ari (d. 935), in his Maqal§t al-Isl§mÊyÊn observed: "Many people say, 'He (God) is solid,' interpreting the word of God 'ßamad' to mean solid, i.e., not hollow."[4] The greatest of the Sahaba (Companions) and the Tabi'un (Successors) attached this meaning to the word: Ibn Abbas, al-Hasan, Sa'id b. Jubayr, Mujahid, ad-Dahhak, Sa'id b. al-Mausayyib, Ikrimah. The great men of the Salaf understood this word to mean that God is a massive, solid being, not hollow (i.e. without a stomach cavity).[5] God is thus a physical being.
Read m
as far as he beget not nor is he begotten

thats speaking of the unceen form of Allah

but it also speaks about the living GOd
too...but you not ready for that
I don't know what your source is but theres a Ijmaa about this word As Samad; He on Whom all depend.

You can copy/paste all the 5% theologists' understanding but you can't twist evevry thing especially the Quran and especially because you are using translations and you don't understand the words yu are trying to twist. This is useless.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
the Quran says

the likeness of Jesus with Allah is as the likeness of Adam.
wich means Jesus is made of the same material as Adam wich is mudd, this is more than obvious because people like you and like the christians thinks he is god.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
"So more than an identity problems, you seem to reject the arabic prophet because you racist and a paranoid who thinks : "

stop throwing those strawmen up
You truly are !

Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
cee how eye threw that bullshit back in your face?

"LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL you really believe that ? So orthodox muslims whethehr thhey are white; black or sand hates black people ? lol this is so funny. You mean Ali Clay, Malclm X, Kareem Abduljabar, Shareed Abdurraheem, Freeway and Mike Tyson hate black people ? "


Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
"Who's the elitist, the one who claim the Quran is a book for all mankind wich are equals or the one who claim a certain race is superior and godly and is the only one that'll be saved ?"

when did eye ever say any certain race
is superior and the only one that will be saved????
Dont start me quoting those you follow.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
yes your children get injected with pork
but someone else is gonna rot in the hell fire


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