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Old 12-16-2012, 11:31 PM   #10453
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Originally Posted by OlympiQ View Post
You are acting if he's just some Vick 2.0. which is laughable.

Naw nigga, you stated the Skins won games due solely to their run game and defense similar to last years Broncos squad which is WAY off. The Skins have won/loss the majority of their games in shootouts.

I can point to one or two games where RG3 had the defense sabotage his efforts (the first Giants game for instance where he led what should have been a GWD only to see the Redskins secondary not play defense on the first play of the Giants last drive and give up a long TD to Cruz). RG3 doesn't have the luxury of having his defense bail him out in games like Luck has in a couple of their wins.

The Redskins are a running team under Mike Shanahan, if RG3 was asked to throw more im sure he would do it more efficently than Luck. Even in college RG3 rarely threw intercerptions. There's just no need for Griffin to become solely a passing qb with that kinda speed.

Stop making shit up. They're an average run team. They are #22 and the median at #16 rushes for less than 7 more yards per game than them. Colts are hardly a bad rushing team. They simply abandon the run too much and try to air it out.

I would much rather my qb not put my team in that kind of situation to begin with.

Yeah, because Griffin and Wilson have never led GW drives.

The Colts and their -16 TO differential are the worst 9-5 team I have ever seen. Must be nice to play the jaguars twice, titans twice, browns, bills, jets, dolphins, lions, and chalk it up as Luck is the GOAT. fuck outta here.

So have Griffin and Wilson but they're sample size isn't as large as Luck's because they don't consistently put their teams in holes.

Luck -3.4 TD% and 3.4 INT% (0% difference)
Griffin -5.1 TD% and 1.1 INT% (4.0% difference)
Wilson -6.1 TD% and 2.7 INT% (3.4% difference)

Luck is sacked less often than Griffin and Wilson, throws TDs at a lower percentage, and INTs at a higher percentage yet he has the superior "presence" ?

"RG3 has thrown a high share of short passes, with 153 of his 205 completions (74.6 percent) thrown fewer than 10 yards. But he's just a tree in an NFL forest of QBs throwing short passes. Consider that Tom Brady, with a passer rating of 105.2, is throwing short at a far higher rate. Brady has thrown fewer than 10 yards on a whopping 222 of his 308 completions entering Week 13, or 81 percent, far ahead of Griffin. Matt Ryan, with perhaps the NFL's best downfield options in Julio Jones and Roddy White (as well as Tony Gonzalez), throws short 73 percent of the time, essentially the same as Griffin. Peyton Manning (74.1), Rodgers (73.4) and even Joe Flacco (70 percent) are all thriving on the short ball at a rate virtually the same as RG3.

If you claim the Redskins have RG3 pedaling in an offense built around the short throw --quick slants, quick digs, across-the-formation shots --then you might as well say Brady is being pushed while utilizing training wheels.

Griffin is, without overstating it, an extraordinarily accurate NFL QB. Not for his age, but for a thrower of the football, period. Evaluators will tell you that accuracy is probably the single greatest indicator of a QB's ability to succeed because it encapsulates everything. It's not just ball placement, it's timing; it's the ability to hit the right route by working through reads, throwing to the open man and, when you do, hitting him in a location that allows him to gain yards after the catch. And to even be consistently accurate, you have to do so many other things well, all starting between the ears. In baseball terms, it's the difference between control and command. Good control means you can throw strikes consistently; good command means you're painting corners and with proper depth on the pitches. RG3 has command.

According to PFF, RG3's accuracy percentage (which accounts for drops, throwaways, spikes, batted passes and passes where the QB is hit while throwing) is at an NFL-leading 80.5 percent. The lead itself is impressive, but to put that number in context, since PFF began tracking the stat in 2008, only Rodgers has a higher rate --80.6 percent. In other words, RG3 through 11 games is as accurate a passer as we've seen in the NFL over a five-year period when virtually every passing record has been torched. Among rookies in that time, Ryan has the best full-season mark, at 74.6 percent. How deterministic is that number? This season, the guys directly trailing RG3 are Rodgers, Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Russell Wilson, Matt Schaub and Brady. Pretty good company.

And RG3 isn't just accurate because he's throwing short. On throws of more than 20 yards, his accuracy percentage is 52.2 percent, third highest in the NFL. According to ESPN Stats & Info, he's completed 66.7 percent of those 20-plus-yard throws, second highest in the NFL. And RG3 actually throws downfield plenty next to his peers. On intermediate throws (10-20 yards) he's completed 42 passes, more than Brady or Rodgers. This goes back to last season at Baylor, where coaches Art Briles and Phil Montgomery tinkered with his delivery on the deep ball. His 72.4 percent completion percentage last season wasn't just pure college offensive gimmickry --his 10.7 yards per attempt led the nation.

The accuracy stands up under another level of scrutiny --pressure. Against five or more rushers, RG3 has completed 67.4 percent of passes, a higher rate than the impossible-to-blitz Peyton Manning. His accuracy percentage under pressure is an obscene 81.9 percent, an NFL high."

Griffin is undoubtedly more accurate than Luck.

Rg3 is a far better passer than a Vince Young or Michael Vick. Aron Rodgers is much better comparison.
the redskins lead the league in rushing. 1st in total yards and YPG, 2nd in total attempts and 5th in APG.

they're 19th in passing. 18th in yards, 30th in attempts and APG

RG3 doesnt pass. he doesnt have to pass. luck has to pass. if by "average" you mean completely ineffective then yes, the colts running game is average. Rg3 has more rush yards than the colts starting back and afred morris has more yards than the colts 1st, 2nd, and 3rd string backs combined.

the redskins are a running football team and a good one at that. RG3 is managing the few throws he's asked to make well, which is good. its good to have a great running game to fall back on while your QB only has to make a few plays through the air here and there but doesnt have to carry a team with his arm.

luck doesnt have the luxury of a balanced offense. he's gotta throw it.

RG3 is not on peyton, brady, or arron rodgers' level. these guys actually throw the football.

but hey, its working for the skins so why should they change? its working for the 49ers too.
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