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Old 09-12-2013, 01:08 PM   #101
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Originally Posted by Face of the Golden Falcon View Post
No. It's still a valid point. If one desires to do wrong then according to your religion the Bible god created us with that desire. So the point still stands.

no, it doesnt stand unless you're saying that deep down you want to repent of your sin and worship Jesus Christ and God is forcing you not to.

If we want to get into a true understanding of what a desire is then we will see that desires are not an accurate representation of the heart of a man when he has been subject to millennia after millennia of psychological conditionings by the very people who created your religion. Time and again countless examples of wise men and sages, mystics and shamans who have been prepared to run the gauntlet of their own shadow, who do the necessary work of stripping away the conditionings placed upon them have shown that man will naturally desire righteousness.

the shaman and the mystic are doing what they want to do just like the porn addict and the drunkard are doing what they want to do. they're both conditioned by their environment and experiences to go a certain path.

so what's your point?

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. (Romans 1:18-20)
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