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Old 09-13-2013, 12:25 AM   #104
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no, it doesnt stand unless you're saying that deep down you want to repent of your sin and worship Jesus Christ and God is forcing you not to.


This is exactly what the Bible says happens:

Exodus 9:12 - But the Lord hardened pharaoh's heart and he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the Lord had said to Moses.

Not only did the Bible god harden pharaoh's heart he did it just to make his prediction correct. The acts of a petty, non-omniscient god. Not to mention the psychopathy involved in toying with the very soul and fate of a man. But that is just one example. According to the bible non of us have any choice as to whether we are saved from this god's punishment.

Ephesians 1:4 - For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will...

John 6:65 - "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.

According to the Bible I have no "deep down". My destiny and my heart (my desires) are decided by the Bible god.


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the shaman and the mystic are doing what they want to do just like the porn addict and the drunkard are doing what they want to do. they're both conditioned by their environment and experiences to go a certain path.

so what's your point?
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You have no idea of the definitions of the words you are even using. How can you say that these people are truly doing what they want to when you say they are conditioned? If they are being conditioned, especially in the case of it being against their free will, (although the verse above prove that you shouldn't even believe in such a thing according to the bible, though I'm sure it implies that we have free will else where in there somewhere. Another of the many contradictions of that "book") then they cannot be said to be necessarily "doing what they want".

You also completely disregarded my statement saying that the mystic, Wiseman etc. have freed themselves from their conditionings by saying that they are conditioned. If you are going to completely skew the particulars of my comments how do you think you will ever understand the point?
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