once upon a time in shaolin - buy the book now!
Page 4 of 8 FirstFirst 1234567 ... LastLast
Results 46 to 60 of 116

Thread: A serious question for you to ponder

  1. #46
    Ridin' On Trichomes soul controller's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Chillin on sesame street puffin a 10th letter
    Age
    39
    Posts
    10,267
    Rep Power
    82

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Clan Destine View Post
    Everybody is lacking fulfillment and total meaning. We wouldn't be here otherwise. On the other hand, it is actually impossible to truly see existence as totally meaningless. We make meaning no matter what, unless we are dead, in oblivion. What is constant in us is the aversion and fear to the sparseness or impersonality of significance. The fear, not the actuality (because it is near impossible).

    And everybody does this in some way, in different degrees, from the religious, to the independently spiritual, the atheist, the humanist, the positivist, even the nihilist. Also, just because it is a symptom, it doesn't necessarily make it not true. Belief is art. Art is not true or untrue.

    Personally, however, I think an outlook that doesn't involve some consideration of psychology or deep self skepticism, or an intellectual conscience, is in poor taste (as art), no matter what label is on it.

    Great post Clan, its very similar to how i see things, but i have to differ on your first sentance,.I dont how others feel, but I feel like ive been waiting to be here, at this moment in time,. sometimes if feel i have been here before ( lucid dreams, feelins/knowing of a event happening;that could be down to, how my subconscious mind acts with my conscious mind and how well it relates what the vibration is,. ) I know that can sound like trying to give 'life' a purpose but im not, as i see everything as an expression of its higherself, we're just here,experiancing subjectivly.

    But i generally feel, most of the worlds population is here, cos they are destined? / meant to be here.,. even if its as cannon fodder, for consciousness to experiance what it needs to.

    art is perception, or perception is an art. lol

    peace

  2. #47
    Munching eyes since 1989 Edgar Erebus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    On your roof
    Age
    27
    Posts
    9,341
    Rep Power
    36

    Default

    Fuck, it's amazing how can you complicate your life for no reason. What's this "meaning" bullshit anyway? Eat, sleep, make money, make babies, that's what it is.
    "The Devil is not the Prince of Matter; the Devil is the arrogance of the spirit, faith without smile, truth that is never seized by doubt. The Devil is grim because he knows where he is going, and, in moving, he always returns whence he came."

  3. #48
    1% Robert's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    The Invisible College
    Posts
    7,371
    Rep Power
    57

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by STYLE View Post
    i think its a common misconception by atheists that those who choose to believe in a creator are lacking fulfillment or meaning and therefore feel the need to believe in something greater than self.

    The cheek of you saying that, the irony, it's too much.


    2ndly, the illuminati and skygod (bearded man on cloud) are mutually exclusive concepts. this is mostly due the the belief that organized religion is under the control of the illuminati.
    Yet people still bash one and adhere to the other.
    Last edited by Robert; 03-31-2011 at 06:54 PM.












  4. #49
    God's Replica Mumm Ra's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Location
    Black Pyramid
    Age
    32
    Posts
    11,351
    Rep Power
    92

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Slim T View Post
    Fuck, it's amazing how can you complicate your life for no reason. What's this "meaning" bullshit anyway? Eat, sleep, make money, make babies, that's what it is.
    that shit is boring if that's all it is


  5. #50
    Gen Chat Bully Uncle Steezo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    5th Dimension
    Posts
    14,743
    Rep Power
    122

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Slim T View Post
    Fuck, it's amazing how can you complicate your life for no reason. What's this "meaning" bullshit anyway? Eat, sleep, make money, make babies, that's what it is.

    i truly believe the theory that most humans today are newly incarnated animal spirits. you can tell by their base emotion driven ideology. slim, you'll get it after a few times around the block. old souls like myself and others have already had a few goes to figure it out a bit.

    robert, you need to get over it. in 2011, atheism is a failed idea. successful in the way it shattered the grip of organized religion. but falls terribly short in regards to even beginning to explain the nature and source of consciousness.

    Last edited by Uncle Steezo; 03-31-2011 at 01:18 AM.

  6. #51
    BuddaHazeMysteryDeepSpace pro.Graveface's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Groningen-Netherlandz
    Posts
    1,916
    Rep Power
    28

    Default

    vibration is the source, U are the creater! now fill up the vibration with imagenation!
    but stay safe!
    PEACE
    Art of Graveyardpoetry
    http://www.reverbnation.com/c./a4/21...86/Artist/link
    http://www.myspace.com/mc-gravespace
    Mother Yin Father Yang are my GrandParents!
    Graveface is now Gravespace

  7. #52

    Default

    someone mention

    Is the "illuminati" evil because they control,..
    Is control the basis for evil? Interesting, as many of the negative traits amongst people maybe even you or me, come out of our desire to control our environment.. Theres even a term for people like this.. "control freaks".

    I see control as a way of 'managing' the fear of not knowing the outcome, essentially stemming from fear. If its true at the illuminati level, it also appears to be true at the individual level. Does that make us all part of the illuminati?

  8. #53

    Default

    Could you please explain how you would define the "traditional scientific method" and how the observer is left out of the observation.
    The Oxford English Dictionary says that scientific method is: "a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses."

    How is the observer left out of the observation?

    By not asking.."how am I (the observer) effecting the observed experiment by being the observer"

    An easy example would be.. if you were observing a conversation and interaction between two people, the fact that you are there observing has an effect on their conversation and interaction. The results of their conversation would be different if you were not present.

  9. #54

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by STYLE View Post

    i truly believe the theory that most humans today are newly incarnated animal spirits. you can tell by their base emotion driven ideology. slim, you'll get it after a few times around the block. old souls like myself and others have already had a few goes to figure it out a bit.

    robert, you need to get over it. in 2011, atheism is a failed idea. successful in the way it shattered the grip of organized religion. but falls terribly short in regards to even beginning to explain the nature and source of consciousness.

    Humans are animals. We came from animals. People act like animals because they are. The difference is humans can affirm, reflect, champion, suppress, spiritualize etc. their emotional core.

    Atheism is simply a lack of belief. Not the lack of a possibility of the divine. As long as atheism remains inquisitive and honest with its own principles (thats is science), it will understand its own problems. It isn't the same approach as mystic lets say, but its an approach. You assume as well, that is done the process of inquisition. Don't be so impatient. I think scientific discoveries will continue to point to what you speak of. It will take longer, but it will be able 'to show its work' so to speak.

    Everything by its own way and in its own time.

  10. #55
    1% Robert's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    The Invisible College
    Posts
    7,371
    Rep Power
    57

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by STYLE View Post

    robert, you need to get over it. in 2011, atheism is a failed idea. successful in the way it shattered the grip of organized religion. but falls terribly short in regards to even beginning to explain the nature and source of consciousness.


    Atheism doesn't even try to explain the nature and source of consciousness so I don't understand how it can "fall short". Your criticism is misguided to say the least.
    Last edited by Robert; 04-02-2011 at 09:18 AM.












  11. #56

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Clan Destine View Post
    Atheism is simply a lack of belief. Not the lack of a possibility of the divine.
    *shaking my head*

    confusing atheism and agnoticism is a newbie's mistake.

    a·the·ism

     /ˈeɪθiˌɪzəm/ Show Spelled[ey-thee-iz-uhm] Show IPA
    –noun 1. the doctrine or belief that there is no god.

    2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.



    Origin:
    1580–90; < Greek áthe ( os ) godless + -ism
    agnostic (ćɡˈnɒstɪk) n 1. atheist Compare theist a person who holds that knowledge of a Supreme Being, ultimate cause, etc, is impossible 2. a person who claims, with respect to any particular question, that the answer cannot be known with certainty

  12. #57
    1% Robert's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    The Invisible College
    Posts
    7,371
    Rep Power
    57

    Default

    That is just pure semantics. That lines are, in reality, far more blurred than that.












  13. #58
    Dinosaur Hunter Slippy The Pimp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Shadowland
    Age
    36
    Posts
    7,517
    Rep Power
    44

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post

    Atheism doesn't even try to explain the nature and source of consciousness so I don't understand how it can "fall short". Your criticism is misguided to say the least.

    Doesn't try or can't?

  14. #59
    1% Robert's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    The Invisible College
    Posts
    7,371
    Rep Power
    57

    Default

    It can't but it is not meant to.












  15. #60
    Dinosaur Hunter Slippy The Pimp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Shadowland
    Age
    36
    Posts
    7,517
    Rep Power
    44

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    It can't but it is not meant to.
    So atheism fails?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •