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    Default to not believe in the God of scripture is.....illogical?





    http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/


    dont know about this angle to christian apologetics but its interesting enough.


    go to the website and do the questionnaire. interesting stuff.
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    The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. (Romans 1:18-20)

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    Nah, that's how they get ya.
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    haha, no one even took the time to check out the videos and the website?
    The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. (Romans 1:18-20)

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE W View Post
    haha, no one even took the time to give a fuck about this?
    fixed.
    We do it for the people.


    "In the abundance of water, the fool is thirsty"


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    the god in scriptures contradicts himself..

    sometimes he is loving, and tolerant, other times he is hateful and vengeful,

    i dont think they be speaking of the same god.

    I dont even think they are talking about gods..

    sorry not watched videos., 2hours is way too long to watch a religious guy try to prove that god exists..

    but i peeped the website

    motherfucker . i clicked on i dont care if absolute truth exists.. and fucker re directed me to disney.co.uk

    ok got to teh end

    To reach this page you had to acknowledge that immaterial, universal, unchanging laws of logic, mathematics, science, and absolute morality exist. Universal, immaterial, unchanging laws are necessary for rational thinking to be possible. Universal, immaterial, unchanging laws cannot be accounted for if the universe was random or only material in nature.
    The Bible teaches us that there are 2 types of people in this world, those who profess the truth of God's existence and those who suppress the truth of God's existence. The options of 'seeking' God, or not believing in God are unavailable. The Bible never attempts to prove the existence of God as it declares that the existence of God is so obvious that we are without excuse for not believing in Him.


    faggit shit.




    he needs to look into fractals, fibonacci, golden ratio, electric universe.. and our dna.. but he would say, they prove that god exists..
    lol

    best part was the 1st page.. comedy gold.

    You have likely heard that it is impossible to prove that God exists. You have heard wrong. Not only can the existence of God be proven, denying the proof undermines rational thought. It is true that God does not need anyone, let alone this website, to prove His existence. The Bible teaches that the existence of God is so obvious that we are without excuse for denying Him. No one needs proof that God exists,


    using the bible as a final source LOL
    highlighted sentence is a mindfuck, accepting he exists, soley based on the bible, undermines rational thought,.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soul controller View Post
    the god in scriptures contradicts himself..

    sometimes he is loving, and tolerant, other times he is hateful and vengeful
    That's not a contradiction. It is possible to love and hate at different times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FMJ View Post
    That's not a contradiction. It is possible to love and hate at different times.
    i would have to bring into question someone's knowledge of who the God of the bible is to even think such a thing would be contradictory as it would seem to be lacking.
    The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. (Romans 1:18-20)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FMJ View Post
    That's not a contradiction. It is possible to love and hate at different times.

    yes, but the god (or gods) in the 1st testament, have varying tolerance, and to different peoples..

    id expect 'god' to be the same to everyone.. unless the writer is playing a mindfuck

    How many gods are there?
    http://errancy.org/polytheistic.html

    Problem: The Old Testament mentions multiple gods
    http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/gods.html


    Other Gods of the Hebrew and Christian Bible
    http://www.bobgod.com/other.html


    but anyway.. we all know these gods, are from other religions that preceded christianity as Mumm Ra said
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    OP why u post this g? just curious as to why..

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    Quote Originally Posted by D.projectile View Post
    OP why u post this g? just curious as to why..
    this guy seems to be going at christian apologetics from a more logical angle in using science, math, etc. since people in here study these things in length i figured this would be something people would want to discuss.
    The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. (Romans 1:18-20)

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    Quote Originally Posted by soul controller View Post
    yes, but the god (or gods) in the 1st testament, have varying tolerance, and to different peoples..

    id expect 'god' to be the same to everyone.. unless the writer is playing a mindfuck

    How many gods are there?
    http://errancy.org/polytheistic.html

    Problem: The Old Testament mentions multiple gods
    http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/gods.html


    Other Gods of the Hebrew and Christian Bible
    http://www.bobgod.com/other.html


    but anyway.. we all know these gods, are from other religions that preceded christianity as Mumm Ra said
    the multiple god issues presented in your links are simply explained by understanding that the bible is speaking of idol gods.

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...ersion=NIV1984

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...ersion=NIV1984

    the first two verses in genesis that are on the multiple gods side of one of your links is speaking of the trinity(god the father, God the son, God the holy spirit).

    trinity = the father, son, holy spirit. one being which is God/the Godhead comprised of 3 persons.


    as far as your belief or expectation that god should be the same to everyone. i dont see how you can deny the creator of the universe and all that is in it the ability to serve justice to those who go against him.

    we are created things going up against the one who created us. we're going up against a holy god who does not tolerate sin. what is sin?

    sin = opposition to the supreme will of God the creator.

    we still make idols even today but the biggest idol of men is and always has been "self".
    The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. (Romans 1:18-20)

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE W View Post
    the multiple god issues presented in your links are simply explained by understanding that the bible is speaking of idol gods.

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...ersion=NIV1984

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...ersion=NIV1984

    the first two verses in genesis that are on the multiple gods side of one of your links is speaking of the trinity(god the father, God the son, God the holy spirit).

    trinity = the father, son, holy spirit. one being which is God/the Godhead comprised of 3 persons. I know what the trinity is,


    as far as your belief or expectation that god should be the same to everyone.No, that is not my belief or expectation i dont see how you can deny the creator of the universe and all that is in it the ability to serve justice to those who go against him. interesting... I dont deny, the universe was created (computer simulation, even mainstream science is confirming this) How does he serve justice to those that go against him? whats going against him? some mans words? no one knows who or when it was written.. have you looked into the texts that christianity stole; so many of their teachings from?

    we are created things going up against the one who created us. Thats your belief, I know, we are at one with everything., maybe not on the physcial level, but collective consciousness is one, I dont see myself as created. I JUST AM. how can you create something within a simulation? we're going up against a holy god who does not tolerate sin. what is sin? Sin is whatever one deems as evil, many christians feel guilt tripped, due to the sins of the father spiel... but again, thats not with any proof,. its just a mindfuck....

    sin = opposition to the supreme will of God the creator.

    Please check out these websites/links
    http://www.electricuniverse.info/Introduction
    http://goldenmean.info/

    To me, it is beyond doubt, that the universe is self aware, its a mental projection of consciousness/itself.

    some people might want to see that as god, due to the complexities.. but in reality,, its a fractal hologram..

    the science proves it beyond doubt

    we still make idols even today but the biggest idol of men is and always has been "self".I agree totally with this, people need to get rid of self/me/ego. and start to look at the whole.
    (:
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    Quote Originally Posted by soul controller View Post
    yes, but the god (or gods) in the 1st testament, have varying tolerance, and to different peoples..

    id expect 'god' to be the same to everyone.. unless the writer is playing a mindfuck
    so when you said it, you didnt mean it? were you being sarcastic?


    also, you said in your first post in this thread that you clicked on "i dont care if absolute truth exists". is this truly your stance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by THE W View Post
    so when you said it, you didnt mean it? were you being sarcastic?

    No i wasnt being sarcastic, i was giving an un biased viewpoint, ive read the bhavangita, ive read the i ching, ive fucked with older (non) english versions of the bible, greek/hebrew.. i wasnt being sarcastic.

    I was putting on my neutral head on. as ive checked out so many religions and their works, only by doing that you can see the similarity..
    then going back in time, you can see where the origins of these stories came from..


    also, you said in your first post in this thread that you clicked on "i dont care if absolute truth exists". is this truly your stance?

    no that is not my stance, if that was my stance, i wouldnt be looking into fractals/fibonacci/golden ratio...etc etc, as that is absolute truth


    ^^ is this god? or a universal code??

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    Quote Originally Posted by FMJ View Post
    That's not a contradiction. It is possible to love and hate at different times.
    love or want/have an attachment?

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