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    Quote Originally Posted by D.projectile View Post
    ive heard that theory before and lots like it.

    im not sure if i fully believe it but christians and jews have been doing that kind of thing for millenia.

    trying to asign symbolic meaning to parts of jewish "history".

    paul did it to the crossing of the red sea saying the israelites were baptised when they were crossing the red sea but i always thought that was clumsy because the water never actually touched the israelites and theres got to be water touching you if youre being baptised.

    the theory u linked is very interested and could possibly be true
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tectrus Moa View Post
    Mentally, Jesus isn't human.
    jesus is a tragic hero(not immortal) whose teachings were misunderstood by all as soon as he died.


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    Quote Originally Posted by THE W View Post
    uhh....cool story bro...

    i try

    but it's not as cool as a father, a son, and a ghost being one person at separate times - that story is genius - and to get people to believe that this super natural voltron person made out of three people really exist is amazing - they deserve to be the elite

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tectrus Moa View Post
    Mentally, Jesus isn't human.

    i can say the same about david blaine and MF Doom

    but at the end of davids brilliant magic and dooms witty unpredictable lyrics, they both gotta sit on toilets and take shits


    wiping excess do do from around their buttholes is a big part of it also -


    people are gonna continue doing what they feel like doing despite how magical you are -

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    Quote Originally Posted by LORD NOSE View Post
    i try

    but it's not as cool as a father, a son, and a ghost being one person at separate times - that story is genius - and to get people to believe that this super natural voltron person made out of three people really exist is amazing - they deserve to be the elite
    when jesus talks, i listen.
    The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. (Romans 1:18-20)

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    it's all love and to each his own where he's at


    God is unseen because if he wasn't, people wouldn't have room to grow and live out their lives in their way

    the unseen has to give us room to shit in our diapers and get tired of the smell and grow -

    the unseen may use one or a few from among you to guide you to a better existence

    these heavenly sent people also make mistakes and may have used scare tactics in the past

    to get you to "Obey"

    today, we'll use better tactics



    not to say that our tactics will become outdated in the future

    but we use what we have when we have time on this planet to share

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    i found another example of the early disciples sloppiness


    David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah’s wife,

    7 Solomon the father of Rehoboam,

    Rehoboam the father of Abijah,

    Abijah the father of Asa,

    8 Asa the father of Jehoshaphat,

    Jehoshaphat the father of Jehoram,

    Jehoram the father of Uzziah,

    9 Uzziah the father of Jotham,

    Jotham the father of Ahaz,

    Ahaz the father of Hezekiah,

    10 Hezekiah the father of Manasseh,

    Manasseh the father of Amon,

    Amon the father of Josiah,

    11 and Josiah the father of Jeconiah[c] and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon.


    12 After the exile to Babylon:

    Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel,

    Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel,

    13 Zerubbabel the father of Abihud,

    Abihud the father of Eliakim,

    Eliakim the father of Azor,

    14 Azor the father of Zadok,

    Zadok the father of Akim,

    Akim the father of Elihud,

    15 Elihud the father of Eleazar,

    Eleazar the father of Matthan,

    Matthan the father of Jacob,

    16 and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah.
    jeremiah 22:30

    This is what the LORD says: "Record this man(Jeconiah) as if childless, a man who will not prosper in his lifetime, for none of his offspring will prosper, none will sit on the throne of David or rule anymore in Judah."
    matthew clumsily tries to say jesus is a descendant of David and therefore a Messiah even though god says jeconiah should be considered childless and all his sons cut off from the royal bloodline therefore jesus cant be considered a descendant of king david nor can he be a messiah.

    also compare this with luke 1:32

    He will be very great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his ancestor David.
    the bible is an incredibly clumsy construction.

    at least the ancient jews were clever with their trickery.

    the disciples are stupid.
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    here's what that verse in luke 1:32 is talking about

    jeremiah 23:5-6

    “The days are coming,” declares the Lord,
    “when I will raise up to David[a] a righteous Branch,
    a King who will reign wisely
    and do what is just and right in the land.
    6 In his days Judah will be saved
    and Israel will live in safety.
    This is the name by which he will be called:
    The Lord Our Righteousness.
    God did what he said he would do in jeremiah 22:30 in not allowing any of johoaichin's offspring to inherit david's throne.

    it was given to jesus.
    Last edited by THE W; 11-26-2012 at 02:25 PM.
    The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. (Romans 1:18-20)

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE W View Post
    here's what that verse in luke 1:32 is talking about

    jeremiah 23:5-6

    “The days are coming,” declares the Lord,
    “when I will raise up to David[a] a righteous Branch,
    a King who will reign wisely
    and do what is just and right in the land.
    6 In his days Judah will be saved
    and Israel will live in safety.
    This is the name by which he will be called:
    The Lord Our Righteousness.

    the only thing clumsy here is your exegesis.
    shame he cant sit on the throne of david like luke thinks.

    shame that jesus cant be in a righteous branch of davids line because god cursed jeconiah and declared his line of descendants as illegitimate.

    shame that in jesus' days judah and israel werent in safety.

    shame that the torah says any descendant of jeconiah will not sit on davids throne or be a legitimate ruler of judah.

    i cant see why u cant see the massive contradictions between matthew luke and jeremiah.

    theres a difference between proper exegesis and selective reading. ur in the latter.


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    11 and Josiah the father of Jeconiah[c] and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon.


    12 After the exile to Babylon:

    Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel,

    Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel,

    13 Zerubbabel the father of Abihud,

    Abihud the father of Eliakim,

    Eliakim the father of Azor,

    14 Azor the father of Zadok,

    Zadok the father of Akim,

    Akim the father of Elihud,

    15 Elihud the father of Eleazar,

    Eleazar the father of Matthan,

    Matthan the father of Jacob,

    16 and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah
    if u try and say jesus wasnt a descendant because of a virgin birth then thats going against the prophecy that the messiah would be a descendant of king david


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    keep in mind this is God talking

    isaiah 9:2-7

    2 The people walking in darkness
    have seen a great light;
    on those living in the land of the shadow of death[a]
    a light has dawned.
    3 You have enlarged the nation
    and increased their joy;
    they rejoice before you
    as people rejoice at the harvest,
    as men rejoice
    when dividing the plunder.
    4 For as in the day of Midian’s defeat,
    you have shattered
    the yoke that burdens them,
    the bar across their shoulders,
    the rod of their oppressor.
    5 Every warrior’s boot used in battle
    and every garment rolled in blood
    will be destined for burning,
    will be fuel for the fire.
    6For to us a child is born,
    to us a son is given,
    and the government will be on his shoulders.
    And he will be called
    Wonderful Counselor,[b] Mighty God,
    Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
    7 Of the increase of his government and peace
    there will be no end.
    He will reign on David’s throne
    and over his kingdom,
    establishing and upholding it
    with justice and righteousness
    from that time on and forever.
    The zeal of the Lord Almighty
    will accomplish this.

    jesus was the descendent of david by a promise made by God, not by bloodline.

    this is just conjecture on my part and not exegitcal but the people in the gospels calling jesus the "son of david" could be speaking metaphorically being that the succesor to the kings thrown is always the king's son unless all the king's sons die or the king is dethroned and replaced.
    Last edited by THE W; 11-26-2012 at 03:32 PM.
    The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. (Romans 1:18-20)

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE W View Post
    keep in mind this is God talking

    isaiah 9:2-7

    jesus was the descendent of david by a promise made by God, not by bloodline.
    what the hell does that mean. how can he be a descendant without a bloodline. u cant make someone a descendant with a promise lol.

    they probably werent speaking metaphorically. the reason why they had a geneology was to show that jesus was a descendant of david


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    matthew 19:26

    "Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”"
    The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. (Romans 1:18-20)

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    deuteronomy 12:30-31

    30 and after they have been destroyed before you, be careful not to be ensnared by inquiring about their gods, saying, “How do these nations serve their gods? We will do the same.” 31 You must not worship the Lord your God in their way, because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the Lord hates. They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods.
    jeremiah 19:4-6

    4 For they have forsaken me and made this a place of foreign gods; they have burned incense in it to gods that neither they nor their ancestors nor the kings of Judah ever knew, and they have filled this place with the blood of the innocent. 5 They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal—something I did not command or mention, nor did it enter my mind. 6 So beware, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when people will no longer call this place Topheth or the Valley of Ben Hinnom, but the Valley of Slaughter.
    psalm 106:37-38

    37 They sacrificed their sons
    and their daughters to false gods.
    38 They shed innocent blood,
    the blood of their sons and daughters,
    whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan,
    and the land was desecrated by their blood.
    Ezekiel 16:20

    "'And you took your sons and daughters whom you bore to me and sacrificed them as food to the idols. Was your prostitution not enough?
    lmfao god certainly changed his mind about people sacrificing their own sons and daughters.


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    Quote Originally Posted by THE W View Post
    matthew 19:26

    "Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”"
    thats stupid. u could say that about any contradiction or illogical statement.


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