but it has been shown before that jesus could just forgive sins with a few words with gods permission. so a sacrafice is completely unnecessary. and a perfect god cant change his mind and say that at one moment a few words are necessary for sins to be forgiven and then the next minute a whole big sacrifice is needed. a perfect god cant change from one state to another because one of the states will be less perfect/good than the other which would imply god is going from a more perfect state to less perfect state or vice versa.
god never foretold that our sins would be forgiven with a sacrifice. he says our sins will be completely forgiven or else he compares jesus' death to a sacrifice but he never says our sins are forgiven because jesus died.
this is an errorenous judgement. the shift from christianity as an experience of the kingdom of heaven to a faith (i dont think kingdom of heaven is even mentioned in the bible after the gospels) as taught by paul also isnt good.
u say u live by the scripture but what if the disciples made mistakes (which they have)
christianity died when jesus died.
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. (Romans 1:18-20)
you have made it clear you reject biblical testimony, there's nothing left for us to discuss.
If you are, then be aware that if one of the pieces is destroyed or for some reason cannot come together with the others, then Voltron cannot be formed!!!
You have stated that: trinity = ``the one being God or Godhead comprised of 3 persons. the father, the son, the holy spirit.``
Jesus died, therefore your conception of God or as you call it the Godhead AKA the trinity cannot exist (assuming it existed in the first place).
By the way, when you compare your ``God`` to a cartoon robot, that does not make your ``God`` look real!!
jesus rose from the dead(he was not destroyed) and he returned to the father which was where he was at first.
so i guess your issue would be not believing someone can rise from death?
Last edited by THE W; 11-25-2012 at 10:21 PM.
Jesus isn't human, so the laws of death don't apply to him. He's perfect.
God does not need partners. If there is more than one God, then the lesser ones would fight for domination and there would be war in the heavens! Ultimately, there must be one God that made all this you see in the heavens and earth; logically, it had to start from one not three!
You are comparing God to Voltron, putting God in the wrong estimation! God has no comparison!
So you must believe that God died when Jesus died, which makes your concept of God perishable.
I believe it is possible to rise from death, so you are wrong on that.
Btw, the fact that you are comparing your conception of God to a cartoon character, should tell you something about the nature of your conception!!!
About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).
And at three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).
perfect aliens don't bleed and scream this on crosses
The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel. He will eat curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right. But before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste. The LORD will bring on you and on your people and on the house of your father a time unlike any since Ephraim broke away from Judah — he will bring the king of Assyria." (Isaiah 7:10-17)
i dont recall saying God needed anything or that God couldnt have made the heavens and the earth without jesus. are you now dictating the means for how God can do things?
a fight for domination and a war in the heavens? this is an assumption based your own sinful alpha dog nature that has nothing to do with the attitude or relationship God the father had with christ and the holy spirit. its also not jesus or the holy spirit's attitude towards God the father. its completely based on your world view and cant be substantiated through scripture.
i didn't ask any questions for you to answer
you are in here using voltron as an example for your trinity belief
seems to me like you don't reject the word of god and i do - so you have every right to reject me and treat me like shit - we worship 2 different gods
i believe in voltron and you believe that the father and the son are 2 people that are one who teams up with a 3rd ...being
so if you were my employer, you'd have every right to abuse me and with hold wages because i'm going to hell any way - i'm a sinner and you're a god fearing christian - it's ok for you to get together with fellow christians and burn down where i live - even though when i'm out and about, i treat everyone i come into contact with with love and respect - concern and consideration - i'm helpful to the old and disabled - i give money to the babies generously - despite their religion, race, or treatment of me - how dare i don't believe in 3 part god who is jealous of other gods
uhh....cool story bro...