Ill check it when I get home.
i listened to that interview visionz and its also intresting to note that outside the illuminati avergae people are indoctrinating thier kids with false beliefs and information but just doing it unwittingly. good find.
Originally Posted by CharlesJones
yup. also the mind and body so then they become like supermen over the oppressed population. but also that lady was a mid level agent.
Originally Posted by CharlesJones
yea i agree and i recommend looking up cathy o'brien on google or youtube and listen to her. also arizona wilder, she was raised for rituals.
Originally Posted by CharlesJones
I read the entire interview.
There will be people who cannot agree with it, or go too far out and become paranoid.
The middle ground to take on this is that whatever she said is plausible, hence why mustn't forget what was said and make sure we take precautions.
Personally, I am not surprised about many of the things she has said. Having read and analysed history and naked facts, many of the "controversial" topics are highly highly plausible.
its not that crazy tho.
think about it.
these techniques have been employed many times over thruout history.
always to further an agenda or movement.
the the question is whether this movement is real or not.
I still have no idea what the fuck they are driving at with the whole Hollywood thing.
Ok, so assume i take everything she is saying as complete fact, even though it is just her word.
People can't distinguish between fiction and fact?
The films she listed contain hundreds of themes, can be interpreted hundreds of ways and are clearly fiction.
Fantasia was used to program children?
Ok, fine, sure, but how exactly?
"Disentisation to the occult and magic"
What is that meant to mean?
Society as a whole, and Hollywood as a whole does not promote that the "occult and magic" are real... at all.
I don't understand what she is saying about Fight Club.
She clearly doesn't know it's based heavily on a book of the same name by Chuck Palahniuk.
What does she mean that it is a 'nod to the covert military buildup going on'?
She has completely misinterpreted the text, saying things like 'notice the cult creating military figure is the stronger one' indicates how mislead she was by her preconception (if she actually believes these things).
Suppose that it is, what purpose would this serve for the group? If the operation is covert, why is the group giving 'nods' to it in major Hollywood films?
The Matrix can easily be interpreted as an allegory for many biblical fables, so again, i don't see what her point is there.
The Labyrinth? Is she saying that all films including supernatural films are directly the result of the illuminati? Because if that's her belief it's a ridiculous one. Such an operation would be horrendously impractical.
She mentions that they have been working behind the scenes for hundreds of years in Hollywood... hundreds of years? Again, nonsense. The film industry in Hollywood has only been around for about 100 years now.
This is the only section of the article which is refutable, as the rest consists of her asserting underlying influence, therefore rendering it impossible to rebut.
Hence, this article is useless, i'm afraid.
In the case of the assertion of a huge and omnipotent cult which controls North America and the entire world, detail is needed. Specifics are needed.
One of the main issues i have with such groups of this nature, is that according to their proponents they have infiltrated all levels of society, all levels of business and all levels of politics.
Yet, they are extremely secretive and they have successfully managed to maintain this secrecy.
Lets take that as a fact, for the purpose of argument.
It brings me to the section on "Symbology".
A group with such power, intelligence and enphasis of secrecy... is leaving clues?
Blatant symbols such as a Phoenix are supposedly signs of Illuminati influence.
A group this secretive and powerful is pretty lackadaisical when it comes to displaying emblems of the group on there company's Trademark.
The run the Mafia, Smuggle Drugs, Run weapons and buy and sell humans?
Does the scope of such activity not occur to people reading this?
For these activities to go unnoticed it would require a huge level of corruption.
Now, i realise people here are eager to say that all people, at any level of power, no matter how significant, are corrupt.
But just think about it for a second.
Think of the number of people that would have to be aware of the Illuminati for such activity to continue.
The scale of such claims makes them almost impossible.
The Police, The CIA, Border Control, The Mafia and other organised crime groups, The FBI, All lawyers, All those involved in finance etc.
To think that so many people would have knowledge of such activities, and not one of them has revealed it, is preposterous.
The story of the Illuminati is a fairly cunning one though, because any hole you can poke in their assertions can easily be rebutted by another aspect of the group, which they have created.
- Why do they leave these symbols is they are this secretive?
They are arrogant, they think everyone is stupid, and they have been 'more blatant in recent years'
- Why hasn't anyone with specific knowledge of their activities brought these to light?
They are brainashed, the Illuminati controls the entirity of the media and due to their omnipotence they can easily silence anyone.
The financial aspect of the Illuminati is one of the most interesting and ultimately flawed. As world finance is so volatile and difficult to prognosticate upon, if one of these "survivors" was able to predict the future of the world in a financial sense, it might add credence to their argument.
However, anything i've read in relation to this is unbelievably simplistic. This article is a prime example.
"Yep, Germany, and the EU, will dominate the world economy. The US economy will go down for awhile, then restore with the help of Europe."
How is this reflected currently and how will it be reflecting in the future?
Both Europe and the US are heading down the road to economic instability in the near future, with long term prospects bleak, emerging market within Asia represent the real future power brokers in world finance.
The Illuminati conveniently ignores key aspects which influence world finance.
"The US economy will go down for awhile, then restore with the help of Europe."
Ok, fine, but how exactly?
How can Europe just "help restore"?
Presumably it will be covertly.
I can't envisage what Europe would be able to provide to facilitate this.
Countries in Asia? Yes. But i can't think of European nations which could significantly bolster the US economy in a state of financial downturn.
The EU has been fraught with problems since it's creation and has achieve very little. There is little unification whatsoever. Which poses another problem.
If the Illuminati has it's members in power in these countries, why is the unification so difficult?
The majority of these claims are so fanciful it is difficult to refute them with any potency.
They rely heavily on Christian mythology being truthful, which in itself is a major flaw.
The supposed ties to Pornography, Drug use and various other amoral activities in the eyes of religious people presents an additional potentially agenda behind those combating the Illuminati.
The Illuminati is going to be revealed in 2020 apparently.
This doesn't leave much time for the entire US economy to collapse and the entire European economy to collapse (and no, the recent financial crisis is not such a collapse).
The stuff about the UN is ludicrous.
The UN has little explicit power, to do anything. We only have to look back to the US offensive on Iraq for an example.
Russia (she calls it the USSR for some reason) is supposedly going to get stronger once again... how much stronger... and how?
Russia does have an abundance of natural resources, and has recovered somewhat financially... but still has huge internal problems in relation to infrastructure and it's economy structurally. These things are not easy to rectify. Again, this is where scope comes into it and clashes with the supposed secrecy which the group values so dearly.
Her entire argument is very poorly structured, there are errors in continuity, she makes up words ('duplicious' for instance) and most notably she exhibits a clearly slanted view.
I found the last passage about homosexuals particularly amusing.
She states that "I have heard reports that certain deadly viruses have been engineered by the Illuminati, but I doubt that HIV was. Why? Because so many of the leadership of the Illuminati are blatantly pedophilic and homosexual, the virus is rampant in parts of the US, and they would be endangering themselves as well. Most of the leadership that I knew were homosexuals in their night personas"
This nicely fits in with the other Christian rhetoric which she espouses throughout the interview.
All in all, i don't know why i bothered reading this, it was entertaining i guess.
Anyone with half a brain can pick apart almost anything these people say, however, as i noted, there are many facts about the Illuminati which serve to easily counter any argument.
It is a losing battle trying to refute such nonsense, but time will no doubt prove their prediction to be just that.
Last edited by rat fakerman; 09-17-2009 at 02:25 PM.
DAMN nigga! lol. how the fuck did you have the stamina for that post