the he is us.
You have free will, but every choice that sits before you he already knows and since he is omniscient and omnipresent, he will always know what you are going to do.
You have the freedom to choose anything, however anything you choose he will have foreknowledge of.
Even when he doesn't know he knows...
As he exist in an infinite number of forms and everywhere through out eternity..
He is not a person... callybasi
What he can do, isn't up for debate. That's a part of what the character is.
If you aren't addressing an omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent God, you aren't addressing God at all.
All arguments must be made with these already accepted.
It's kind of like saying Wolverine doesn't have steel claws or that Barack Obama isn't mixed, it's not debatable.
I'm not jumping into a does God exist debate because in the end neither side would give up their biases.
Most atheists have a "I don't like to be told I'm wrong, if I say it is it is complex" same with most religious people.
And I wasn't speaking to you when I made my statement about free will, it came up in a post from face of the golden falcon. You just assumed it was directed at you.
I think objectivity is worth killing for.
If people are going to debate something and come to a conclusion, they should do it on certain terms.
i think dusk is feeling trapped under the rubble of a crumbling paradigm.
but i don't want to turn this into gen chat so i'll leave it there.
i really enjoyed this thread and the contributions from both sides, specifically rollo, drunken dragon and the usual suspects of course.
i think this is an example of ktl at its best. we hit the topic from all angles from science to philosophy to metaphysics to opinion and emotion. all while being civil yet passionate.
i'm gonna rep this whole thread now.
bro are you serious? hahaha omg i love this forum...technically speaking everything ive said makes sense and supports my argument..and this is always the case..but when someone decides they disagree with what im saying, they decide im not making sense cuz they cant combat my logic. im not saying this in a contrived way, but seriously are you guys actually reading?
what we've been doing all along is trying to correct/adjust each others visions
sometimes that's painful