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    okay Muhammad said 72 sects
    will burn in the hell fire

    so who exactly is the sects thats gonna burn?

    most people would say Sunni.....but
    eye have NO CLUE how one could
    make such a claim.....

    lets take VACCINATIONS for instance
    and test it against this "hell fire".....lol

    Vaccinations got PORK in them
    Vaccines MUST contain all types of
    "haaram" nastiness....thats the very
    idea of a Vaccine

    Now how can one inject pork into
    themselves....and their babies....
    and still have the AUDACITY to
    call themselves Muslim?

    sounds like HELL FIRE to me!!!!!

    even if one didn't know this information....
    the fact that their so called Orthidox
    Islamic Sect(Sunni ect) didn't INFORM
    them of the Pig contained in Vaccines
    raises my eye brows as to who is
    the real Muslims!!!!!!!

    the ONLY so called Orthidox Muslims eye know
    of who forbid Vaccines was Muslims in SUDAN

    actually to go to Mecca the Saudi government
    requires PROOF of vaccinations!!!!!

    so.....here you have the so called
    center of Muslim world....requiring
    its followers to inject pork into them
    and their babies.......to go to the Kaba

    and you poor misguided brother and sisters
    think Sunni is NOT one of the sects headed
    for hell fire???? LOL.....wake up

    NOW.....who is the ONLY Islamic
    sect that eye have ever heard of
    who refuses to get Vaccinated???

    well....eye just mentioned Sudan....who
    banned vaccines because they didn't
    trust white people.....lol

    but who else....who else.....

    oh thats right....
    the 5 percent in the poor
    part know the truth about
    the swined out vaccines

    yes you might have a
    self proclaimed 5 percenter
    here and there that gets vaccinated
    and even might join the USA military.....

    but in general most 5 percenters
    would avoid Vaccines and western
    medicine

    so who's headed for the hell fire????

    eye am a 5 percenter....technically..
    and eye tell Sunni's that Vaccines
    got pork in em.......and they had no
    idea before.....

    so who da FUCK you think is headed
    for the hellfire????

    the person who injects pork in his
    babies....or the one who doesn't?????

    answer=the one who doesn't
    inject pork in their babies

    LOL

    moving on......the Mutazalia
    are the ones who corrupted Islam.....
    and they were admittedly
    influenced by greek thought

    the early Muslims took the Quran
    literally....when the Quran
    says Allah got hands eyes
    feet........they took this literally

    but the Mutazalia banned all of
    that....the Mutazalia said
    Allah is unceen and only unceen(Greek influence)

    shit....the great AHmad Ben Hanbal was jailed
    because of his literal interpertations of
    the QUran

    and now today the Mutazlia's corruption
    is now the belief of the orthidox Muslim world

    so who's headed for the hell fire????

    people who follow a sect of ISlam
    that is influenced by some
    Greeks?

    or people who take the Quran
    at its word????(Allah has
    hands, eyes, feet, sits
    on a throne, feet rest on the stool)

    moving on....lets talk about the Arabization
    of Islam as it pertains to this hell fire

    the African Jesus was a Muslim

    the African's SOlomon and David was Muslim

    Moses who passed as Pharoahs grandson
    was Muslim

    so why does so called Orthidox Islam
    claim that to be a Muslim you have
    to follow Muhammad over every
    other prophet....and Muhammad
    just happens to be the only Prophet
    who was identifiably Arab

    and if you even MENTION
    to most so called orthidox Muslims
    the fact that Africa gave birth
    to every God damn civilization
    and religion in these past 50,000
    years......they get nervous
    and figgidy....they don't wanna
    hear it and will more than likely
    whine and say some catch phrase
    like "Islam is not about race"

    well no shit sherlock.....so
    why is it a MUST that one
    must follow the ONE arab
    prophet of ISlam and discard
    all the other African prophets

    Honey is cure?????

    common man.....if you eating
    a meat based diet.....honey
    ain't gonna cure shit

    so who's headed for the hell fire?????

    the Arab Nationalist or
    the one who follows
    all the prophets equally

    who's headed for the hell fire????

    LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
    PEACE
    okay Muhammad said 72 sects
    will burn in the hell fire
    .
    .
    .
    well no shit sherlock.....so
    why is it a MUST that one
    must follow the ONE arab
    prophet of ISlam and discard
    all the other African prophets
    .
    .
    .
    who's headed for the hell fire????

    LOL
    So why do you take what he said into consideration ?

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    PEACE!!!!!!!

    why....well eye can think of 2 reasons

    a)Muhammad son of Abdullah is a prophet
    of Allah

    b)because CERTAIN
    so called Orthidox Muslims(Sunni's etc)
    seem to throw that "72 sects hell fire"
    phrase around alot accompanied
    by Kaafir and other hatefull shit

    if eye am such a kaafir according to them
    why is it that om the one telling THEM
    not to inject pork in their babies?

    why am eye the one who is warning
    THem(Sunni's etc) of the
    hellfire(vacinnes with pork and other
    abominations)?

    now...om not saying everyone in
    the 5 percent sects is perfect either

    om just trying to get the so called
    Orthidox Muslim world and others
    to start thinking free!!!!!

    CLEARLY Sunni Islam
    could be classified as one
    of those sects headed
    for the hellfire

    you cee the people on
    the nile and in "Ethiopia" who was
    the PRECURSORS
    to "Egypt"(long before 4000bc)
    was practising Islam too
    without a scripture

    and even when EGypt came into
    existence....there wasn't just
    10 commandments....
    there was like 400 and sum change
    mah man....lol

    but these so called Orthidoxy of Islam
    say to be a true Muslim you must
    follow the example of Muhammad
    and follow the QUran over every other
    school of thought....over every other prophet

    the only clearly idendifyably Arab prophet(Muhammad pbuh)

    and when eye say Identifyably Arab
    in my broken english
    eye mean CULTURALLY related
    to the culture thats known commonly as
    a Arab nowadays
    you know...
    loves to eat lamb kabob
    chicken fish
    thinks honey cures diseases
    eats dates(natures best sweeteener in my opinion)

    why Muhammad over Jesus, Melchezidek, the green one etc

    and more importantly why Muhammad over
    SELF!!!!!!!!

    the real holy place is mental

    om digressing

    lets give a little run down

    lets look at sum differences in Muhammad
    and Isa(Jesus)

    Jesus the black man with hair like wool
    was schooled in HIGH SCIENCE
    he studied in EGypt and other
    places......alot of that miracle
    science he was dealing with he
    LEARNED from EGypt and other places

    it didn't just happen magically

    Jesus knew all the higher maths
    he knew all the higher science

    he was a STUDENT

    and he was raised from Birth
    with a determined Idea and a strict
    Islamic law...nothing impure touched him
    he was told since he was born
    that he is Gods Son(Via Davids Psalms)

    Kings brought gifts to him at his birth!!!!!

    his subconcious mind had been magnetized
    from birth by those around him feeding
    him autosuggestions

    now Muhammad on the other hand
    he couldn't even read

    when Jah breel(Gabriel)((whom Muhammad
    said his visitations was less painfull
    when he came in the form of a man))(((lol)))

    first appeared to Muhammad

    Muhammad tryed to jump off the cliff!!!!!

    he thought he had gone mad

    christian monks told Muhammad
    he was a prophet long before Muhammad
    met Khadijah

    now eye loves Muhammad and the lessons
    in his history but how could a submitter to
    Allah believe that everyone has to follow
    Muhammad over everyone else????

    the rules and regulations that Allah
    lays down in the Quran is NOT
    the highest form of Islam
    or the strictest....

    the Quran even says "we made it easy for you"
    Bilals footsteps was heard in heaven

    and like eye said

    so called ORthidox Muslims and damn near
    everyone else gets NERVOUS when
    you tell them the African origin
    of Islam or their culture

    Africa gave birth to every culture
    in the past 50,000 years and
    everyone is trying to sweep this under
    the rug....and to say that "you must
    follow Muhammad and the QUran
    above every other manifestation of
    Islam" seems like trying to sweep
    Africa under the rug

    why do eye have to follow the Arab
    over the originators?

    furthermore....why do we
    have to follow the defineation
    of the so called Orthidox Islamic world
    of whut is ISlam???

    Islam is submission to Allah
    and Allah permeates everything
    in his ceen and unceen form

    so ANY truth(thoughts with
    heavy electricity attatched)
    therefore must be whut Allah speaks
    and thats Islam

    So to piss even more people off here
    we go....(although thats not my determined idea)

    when DOn Juan Matus was out there
    in the deserts getting Carlos
    castaneda the king sized indulger
    HIGH as a motherfucka WITHOUT using
    any kind of Power plants(weed, mushrooms, peyote)

    thats no different from whut had Jahbreel
    put on Muhammad to have him about
    to jump off the cliff

    Islam is Islam.....DOn Juan Matus is
    the Islam that evolved out of
    "Central America"

    eye thank Allah for me stumbling
    upon Don Juan Matus....it has been
    like the cap on the on the pyramid
    so to speak

    the I CHing and Lao Tzu is the
    Islam that sprung out of China

    and since om reading the Gospel
    of Hip Hop as we speak owl take it there

    Hiphop is the Islam that sprung out
    out after the Messengers(sura 77:11) departed
    (Fard Muhammad, Haile Selassie,
    Father Allah, BOb Marley, Peter Tosh etc)

    matter of fact eye can say that due
    to the fact that Hiphop will forever be
    my primary loyalty when it all goes down
    eye will reach forms of Islam higher
    than damn near anybody from any sect

    Rastafari is Islam too
    Haile Selassie's wife was decended from
    Muhammad
    Selassie was a no pork eatin "Christian"

    eye especially love the belief held by
    the Rasta's that Jah(Allah) will exalt
    those you least expected

    in closing

    the so called
    Orthidox Muslim world is making
    the same mistakes that Muhammad
    came to correct

    one of them being the 6 year old
    childish infantile fairy tale belief
    of Christians that anyone who
    don't claim Jesus is God is bound
    for the hell fire....lol

    translated "my culture is the only culture
    that is right" or "Islam as taught to prophet
    Muhammad is whut you follow above everything
    else"

    not realizing the historical
    context of the Quran in that it was book
    given to sum people living amoungst sum
    savage Arabs!!!!!

    and look at the so called Orthidox
    Muslim world itself

    om sorry....eye don't believe people
    should get their hand
    chopped off for stealing

    thats not the highest level of Islam

    everything eye just said basically
    explains why at the end of the day
    my loyalty is first to Hiphop

    and after that
    the 5 percent and his imperial majesty

    PEACE!!!!!!!

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    I'll give you the answer from the Sunni point of view from none less than the quran and who tell you the opposite is a lier.

    Quote Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
    why....well eye can think of 2 reasons

    a)Muhammad son of Abdullah is a prophet
    of Allah

    b)because CERTAIN
    so called Orthidox Muslims(Sunni's etc)
    seem to throw that "72 sects hell fire"
    phrase around alot accompanied
    by Kaafir and other hatefull shit
    This engages only the person who said it, if the prophet wanted us to know who are the 72 sects he would have cited them. So it's not up to me or you or the sunni muslim you know to define wich sect is going to survive coz you dont ever know. And even someone who belong to one of the wrong 71 sects can be saved from hell because God is all merciful.

    "Recall that Moses said to his people, "O my people, you have wronged your souls by worshipping the calf. You must repent to your Creator. You shall kill your egos. This is better for you in the sight of your Creator." He did redeem you. He is the Redeemer, Most Merciful.." (Quran 2:54)

    "Say: If you love God, then follow me, God will love you and forgive you your faults, and He is Forgiver, Most MercifuL" (Quran 3:89

    Quote Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
    if eye am such a kaafir according to them
    why is it that om the one telling THEM
    not to inject pork in their babies?

    why am eye the one who is warning
    THem(Sunni's etc) of the
    hellfire(vacinnes with pork and other
    abominations)?
    You'll be surely rewarded for this.

    Quote Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
    now...om not saying everyone in
    the 5 percent sects is perfect either

    om just trying to get the so called
    Orthidox Muslim world and others
    to start thinking free!!!!!

    CLEARLY Sunni Islam
    could be classified as one
    of those sects headed
    for the hellfire
    Well, again, it's not up to you to say this. Only God knows.

    Quote Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
    you cee the people on
    the nile and in "Ethiopia" who was
    the PRECURSORS
    to "Egypt"(long before 4000bc)
    was practising Islam too
    without a scripture

    and even when EGypt came into
    existence....there wasn't just
    10 commandments....
    there was like 400 and sum change
    mah man....lol
    It is highly probable.

    Quote Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
    but these so called Orthidoxy of Islam
    say to be a true Muslim you must
    follow the example of Muhammad
    and follow the QUran over every other
    school of thought....over every other prophet

    the only clearly idendifyably Arab prophet(Muhammad pbuh)

    and when eye say Identifyably Arab
    in my broken english
    eye mean CULTURALLY related
    to the culture thats known commonly as
    a Arab nowadays
    you know...
    loves to eat lamb kabob
    chicken fish
    thinks honey cures diseases
    eats dates(natures best sweeteener in my opinion)

    why Muhammad over Jesus, Melchezidek, the green one etc
    You got it wrong bro. Sunni muslims believe in all the prophets and respect them and love them equally.

    "We did not send before you except men whom we inspired, chosen from the people of various communities. Did they not roam the earth and see the consequences for those before them? The abode of the Hereafter is far better for those who lead a righteous life. Would you then understand?" (Quran 12;109)

    "We have inspired you, as we inspired Noah and the prophets after him. And we inspired Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, the Patriarchs, Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon. And we gave David the Psalms.
    Messengers we have told you about, and messengers we never told you about. And GOD spoke to Moses directly.
    Messengers to deliver good news, as well as warnings. Thus, the people will have no excuse when they face GOD, after all these messengers have come to them. GOD is Almighty, Most Wise." (Quran 4:163-165)

    As for Muhammad, he was the last and final messenger and he came to correct the corrupted scriptures, it happends he is arabic, this is the wisdom of god, he could have been israelite like Moses and Jesus or from Ur like Abraham.

    Did not god said in the Quran : "We have revealed it an Arabic Quran, that you may understand." (Quran 12:2)

    Quote Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
    and more importantly why Muhammad over
    SELF!!!!!!!!

    the real holy place is mental
    Do you mean over self in the sense of discovering god by your own mental like abraham or self in the sense of doing what you like and worship the way your brain dictate you ?

    Quote Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
    om digressing

    lets give a little run down

    lets look at sum differences in Muhammad
    and Isa(Jesus)

    Jesus the black man with hair like wool
    was schooled in HIGH SCIENCE
    he studied in EGypt and other
    places......alot of that miracle
    science he was dealing with he
    LEARNED from EGypt and other places

    it didn't just happen magically
    "GOD will say, "O Jesus, son of Mary, remember My blessings upon you and your mother. I supported you with the Holy Spirit, to enable you to speak to the people from the crib, as well as an adult. I taught you the scripture, wisdom, the Torah, and the Gospel. Recall that you created from clay the shape of a bird by My leave, then blew into it, and it became a live bird by My leave. You healed the blind and the leprous by My leave, and revived the dead by My leave. Recall that I protected you from the Children of Israel who wanted to hurt you, despite the profound miracles you had shown them. The disbelievers among them said, `This is obviously magic'." (Quran 5:110)

    Quote Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
    Jesus knew all the higher maths
    he knew all the higher science

    he was a STUDENT

    and he was raised from Birth
    with a determined Idea and a strict
    Islamic law...nothing impure touched him
    he was told since he was born
    that he is Gods Son(Via Davids Psalms)
    "The Jews said, "Ezra is the son of GOD," while the Christians said, "Jesus is the son of GOD!" These are blasphemies uttered by their mouths. They thus match the blasphemies of those who have disbelieved in the past. GOD condemns them. They have surely deviated." (Quran 9;30)

    Quote Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
    Kings brought gifts to him at his birth!!!!!

    his subconcious mind had been magnetized
    from birth by those around him feeding
    him autosuggestions

    now Muhammad on the other hand
    he couldn't even read
    Do you think the Most High who created the universe and the earth and evrything inbetween could'nt make a prophet out of someone who can't read ? This is an argument that I could use because this non reading man from nowhere in the desert came with a book from god that amazed the entire globe affected the lives of hundreds of millions of men and women, building great cities and great civilizations, provoking the clash of mighty armies and raising from the dust beauty and splendor unknown previously untill today, so from your point of view he must get more credits.

    Quote Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
    When Jah breel(Gabriel)((whom Muhammad
    said his visitations was less painfull
    when he came in the form of a man))(((lol)))

    first appeared to Muhammad

    Muhammad tryed to jump off the cliff!!!!!

    he thought he had gone mad
    I don't know where you took this story from but Muhammad heard Jibreel voice first and this Angel sent from god asked him to "read" twice before he squeezed him and revealed the first surah to him. So you can keep your comical piece of theater of a man trying to jump from a cliff for your funny self.

    Quote Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
    christian monks told Muhammad
    he was a prophet long before Muhammad
    met Khadijah
    First it was jew monks that encountered him as a baby in the hands of the woman who breast-feeded him, then they said to this woman that this baby possesses the marks of prophethood.

    Quote Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
    now eye loves Muhammad and the lessons
    in his history but how could a submitter to
    Allah believe that everyone has to follow
    Muhammad over everyone else????
    You seem to have an identity/cultural problem with Muhammad. why muhammad ? why muhammad ? why muhammad ?

    nobody ask you to dress like an arab and ride a camel to be muslim. You can practice islam the way you are dressin, workin, eatin (except pork and wine ) and walkin, talkin etc... Islam wont make you a grown bear, white robe dressed cheikh. Am I looking like that ?

    Quote Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
    the rules and regulations that Allah
    lays down in the Quran is NOT
    the highest form of Islam
    or the strictest....
    Well sorry but it is the highest.

    "And this Quran is not such as could be forged by those besides Allah, but it is a verification of that which is before it and a clear explanation of the book, there is no doubt in it, from the Lord of the worlds." (Quran 10:37)


    Quote Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
    and like eye said

    so called ORthidox Muslims and damn near
    everyone else gets NERVOUS when
    you tell them the African origin
    of Islam or their culture
    Sure, there were africans that were submitted to god as muslims as god said that every damn nation recieved at least a messenger.

    Quote Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
    Africa gave birth to every culture
    in the past 50,000 years and
    everyone is trying to sweep this under
    the rug....and to say that "you must
    follow Muhammad and the QUran
    above every other manifestation of
    Islam" seems like trying to sweep
    Africa under the rug

    why do eye have to follow the Arab
    over the originators?
    Identity problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
    furthermore....why do we
    have to follow the defineation
    of the so called Orthidox Islamic world
    of whut is ISlam???

    Islam is submission to Allah
    and Allah permeates everything
    in his ceen and unceen form

    so ANY truth(thoughts with
    heavy electricity attatched)
    therefore must be whut Allah speaks
    and thats Islam
    Well, you want to choose what you like from the Quran (that you discovered in America not long time ago) and make it your own sausage and pretend it was originated from Africa ? What you believe in never came from Africa, I know ... I live in Africa

    Scholars and theologist from around the world and from different religions admit that Quran is a revelation ; a man who can't read can't bring such a masterpiece, it can't neither be copied from the ancient religion because theres so much facts that werent in the previous scripture that have been revealed by the Quran (such as Pharaoh ministers that were called "Haman" nobody knew what this meant untill they discovered hiow to read hierogliphs...and alot more). So it is words of god, this is the source my brother.

    Quote Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
    So to piss even more people off here
    we go....(although thats not my determined idea)

    when DOn Juan Matus was out there
    in the deserts getting Carlos
    castaneda the king sized indulger
    HIGH as a motherfucka WITHOUT using
    any kind of Power plants(weed, mushrooms, peyote)

    thats no different from whut had Jahbreel
    put on Muhammad to have him about
    to jump off the cliff
    Great wisdom *applause*

    Quote Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
    Islam is Islam.....DOn Juan Matus is
    the Islam that evolved out of
    "Central America"

    eye thank Allah for me stumbling
    upon Don Juan Matus....it has been
    like the cap on the on the pyramid
    so to speak

    the I CHing and Lao Tzu is the
    Islam that sprung out of China

    and since om reading the Gospel
    of Hip Hop as we speak owl take it there

    Hiphop is the Islam that sprung out
    out after the Messengers(sura 77:11) departed
    (Fard Muhammad, Haile Selassie,
    Father Allah, BOb Marley, Peter Tosh etc)

    matter of fact eye can say that due
    to the fact that Hiphop will forever be
    my primary loyalty when it all goes down
    eye will reach forms of Islam higher
    than damn near anybody from any sect

    Rastafari is Islam too
    Haile Selassie's wife was decended from
    Muhammad
    Selassie was a no pork eatin "Christian"

    eye especially love the belief held by
    the Rasta's that Jah(Allah) will exalt
    those you least expected
    You're hallucinating here.

    Quote Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
    in closing

    the so called
    Orthidox Muslim world is making
    the same mistakes that Muhammad
    came to correct

    one of them being the 6 year old
    childish infantile fairy tale belief
    of Christians that anyone who
    don't claim Jesus is God is bound
    for the hell fire....lol

    translated "my culture is the only culture
    that is right" or "Islam as taught to prophet
    Muhammad is whut you follow above everything
    else"
    Well like I said it aint about culture, it's about belief and worship. You can keep your own culture, it aint in contradiction with islam. I think because you see muslims growin a bear and wearing I dont now what you call it over their head, it must be an obligation. They do it because Muhammad did it in his lifetime because it was fashion in this period and we do it if we want because we love him and admire him and we want to walk on his footstep in every thing he did.

    Quote Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
    not realizing the historical
    context of the Quran in that it was book
    given to sum people living amoungst sum
    savage Arabs!!!!!
    So you mean God shouldnt have given the book to these people ? or He was mistaken ?

    Quote Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
    and look at the so called Orthidox
    Muslim world itself

    om sorry....eye don't believe people
    should get their hand
    chopped off for stealing

    thats not the highest level of Islam
    I dont believe too but it's god's will, you cant be more wise than the creator.

    "And (as for) the man who steals and the woman who steals, cut off their hands as a punishment for what they have earned, an exemplary punishment from Allah; and Allah is Mighty, Wise." (Quran 5:38)

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    "So I [Muhammad] read it, and he [Gabriel] departed from me. And I awoke from my sleep, and it was though these words were written on my heart. (Tabari: Now none of God's creatures was more hateful to me than an (ecstatic) poet or a man possessed: I could not even look at them. I thought, Woe is me poet or possessed - Never shall Quraysh say this of me! I will go to the top of the mountain and throw myself down that I may kill myself and gain rest. So I went forth to do so and then) when I was midway on the mountain, I heard a voice from heaven saying "O Muhammad! thou are the apostle of God and I am Gabriel."

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    "This engages only the person who said it, if the prophet wanted us to know who are the 72 sects he would have cited them. So it's not up to me or you or the sunni muslim you know to define wich sect is going to survive coz you dont ever know. And even someone who belong to one of the wrong 71 sects can be saved from hell because God is all merciful."

    this thread is a reaction to sunni's accusing others
    of being the hell fire

    "You got it wrong bro. Sunni muslims believe in all the prophets and respect them and love them equally."

    huh???

    eye never said they didn't

    Africans didn't originally eat meat and milk

    whut happens with Sunni sect is you
    have wacky zany bonkers shit like
    jet black Somalians who
    dislike Black americans

    eye been amounsgst so called orthidox
    Muslims my whole life

    they think Muhammad is the one who
    should be followed above everyone else

    and Muhammads culture was that of a modern
    arab.....

    let me repeat Africans did not originally eat meat
    and milk

    "As for Muhammad, he was the last and final messenger and he came to correct the corrupted scriptures, it happends he is arabic, this is the wisdom of god, he could have been israelite like Moses and Jesus or from Ur like Abraham."

    godgodknowledgeknoweldge
    77:7 Surely that which you are promised will come to pass.

    77:8 So when the stars are made to disappear,

    77 And when the heaven is rent asunder,

    77:10 And when the mountains are carried away as dust,

    77:11 And when the messengers are made to reach their appointed time,

    77:12 To what day is the doom fixed?

    77:13 To the day of Decision.

    77:14 And what will make thee comprehend what the day of Decision is?

    Messengerssss(plural)ssssss are made to reach their appointed time

    this verse is clearly talking about the last days...NOW

    we know 2 of these messengers is
    Jesus part 2 and the Mahdi

    "Do you mean over self in the sense of discovering god by your own mental like abraham or self in the sense of doing what you like and worship the way your brain dictate you ?"

    when the circle of justice spins it
    punishes those who do whut they like
    as opposed to whut causes rewards
    to appear when understanding
    shows its face

    the pineal organ 3rd eye secrets a white substance
    the pituatary a yellow substance...milk and honey

    ""GOD will say, "O Jesus, son of Mary, remember My blessings upon you and your mother. I supported you with the Holy Spirit, to enable you to speak to the people from the crib, as well as an adult. I taught you the scripture, wisdom, the Torah, and the Gospel. Recall that you created from clay the shape of a bird by My leave, then blew into it, and it became a live bird by My leave. You healed the blind and the leprous by My leave, and revived the dead by My leave. Recall that I protected you from the Children of Israel who wanted to hurt you, despite the profound miracles you had shown them. The disbelievers among them said, `This is obviously magic'." (Quran 5:110)"

    Muhammad said Gabriels visitations
    was less painfull when he came in the
    form of a man

    well since you believe Allah is unceen eye
    could cee how you would think "by my leave"
    means Jesus just all of a sudden got these powers
    from a unceen God but


    remember when Gabriel in a white robe
    walked up to Muhammad
    and his peoples and started questioning them????

    well in that manner Jesus was taught

    Jesus was taught by people other than
    Allah's angels too

    remember when Allah came to Muhammad
    in a vision in the form of a young man
    with curly hair?

    Ahmad Ben Hanbal verified it as authentic

    sura 57 says Allah is the hidden and the manifest

    personally eye feel that the hidden or
    the unceen is so deep and unfathomable
    that it cannot really be described in words

    but on the other hand
    the ALLAH MANIFESTed

    the LIVING GOD

    the God in the realm of life and death....

    as it relates to Bible and Quran

    is a human being

    the human being who gives orders
    to the 23 angels who are human beings too

    Gabriel is a man
    Micheal is a man
    Malik is a man

    its a council

    the prophets was raised by human beings
    who recognized the designs of the
    hidden the unceen

    when the living manifest Allah
    of scripture or one of his angels
    leaves his body permanently
    another human being takes his place

    but to take it even futher
    and bring this shit some practicality...
    ummmmm

    the manifest and LIVING GOD

    as it relates to us personally

    is the person looking at you in the mirror

    although the manifest living devil
    as it relates to us personally

    is the person looking at you in the mirror

    ""The Jews said, "Ezra is the son of GOD," while the Christians said, "Jesus is the son of GOD!" These are blasphemies uttered by their mouths. They thus match the blasphemies of those who have disbelieved in the past. GOD condemns them. They have surely deviated." (Quran 9;30)"

    Sura 9???? the war sura where it says
    SLAY THE IDolators????

    it must have spoken of a specific
    type of christian because Muhammads
    followers fled to a Christian Ethiopian King
    who treated them well

    a line in the sand was the distance
    said the Negus

    a christian king who knows
    Davids Psalms which says
    Ye are sons of God

    well theres the conflict and condradiction
    cuz in Davids Psalms and many places
    in the OLD testament the term
    "sons of God" is used

    in fact that was one of the most deleted
    things from the OT by scripture tamperererruurs

    "sons of God"

    because it destroyed the whole Jesus
    is Gods only begotten son

    this is one of the dangers of disconnecting
    from the African origins of Islam to
    follow only the Arab prophet

    not knowing that ELoheem(from the Torah)
    means the Godssssss

    would ensure that one would not know
    why the Quran uses the term "We"
    when Allah is speaking

    "Do you think the Most High who created the universe and the earth and evrything inbetween could'nt make a prophet out of someone who can't read ?"

    when did eye deny he couldn't?

    eye don't put limits on whut Allah can or cannot do

    Sunni's however say Allah could never put
    himself inside a man....or woman

    putting limits on whut Allah can and cannot do

    "You seem to have an identity/cultural problem with Muhammad. why muhammad ? why muhammad ? why muhammad ? "

    yes my questionn exactly

    "Well sorry but it is the highest. "

    it came from the HIghest
    but the laws to qualify one
    as muslim in the Quran are
    not the highest ...

    the Quran even says we made it EASY

    "Identity problem."

    yeah thinking that you gotta specifically
    follow the one modern day Arab Prophet
    would defineatly cause identity problems

    especially if you naturally allegeric to
    the food the culture eats

    and then injecting pork in your babies

    "Well, you want to choose what you like from the Quran (that you discovered in America not long time ago) and make it your own sausage and pretend it was originated from Africa ? What you believe in never came from Africa, I know ... I live in Africa "

    the originators of SUnni banned literal
    interpertations of the QUran when
    it came to Allah having hands, eyes,
    feet etc

    so its seems like sunni's wanna pick and choose

    "Well like I said it aint about culture, it's about belief and worship. You can keep your own culture, it aint in contradiction with islam."

    uhhh theres plenty of people from all 3
    major religions who believe in God
    and worship and killed innocent
    people......Saddam Hussien and George
    Bush prayed and worshiped and believed too

    which proves how valuable belief and worship is

    impeccablity of energy usage is far superior
    to belief and worship because you know
    why you not doing certain things while
    believers and worshipers just take things
    at face value and end up injecting
    pork in their babies

    resisting a certain culture
    will ensure not having
    your babies injected with pork

    "So you mean God shouldnt have given the book to these people ? or He was mistaken ?"

    oh thank goodness he did.......

    many of the so called muslim here in the USA
    wanna be Arab real bad and even
    act snooty and elitist just like arab does

    "I dont believe too but it's god's will, you cant be more wise than the creator."

    tell that to your SUnni breathren saying
    the 5 percent is headed for hell fire

    ""And (as for) the man who steals and the woman who steals, cut off their hands as a punishment for what they have earned, an exemplary punishment from Allah; and Allah is Mighty, Wise." (Quran 5:38)[/QUOTE]"

    more evidence the Quran is not
    the higest form of Islam

    PEACE

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    "When god speak about face, hands or throne it is to make people understand the beyond understanding."

    so u say

    "It is not because god is a blackman arm leg leg arm head."

    uh you think the when Gabriel in the white robe rolled
    up on Muhammad and his people it was a white guy?

    eye just gave you examples of how Allah and
    his angels appeared to Muhammad in the form
    of men in the previous post

    "This is in contradiction with all the other attributes of god such as The Holy, The Pure, The Perfect, The Almighty, The Sufficient, The All Knowing, The Omniscient, The All Hearing, The All Seeing, The Ressurecter, The Giver of Life, The Eternal, The Absolute, The Self-Sufficient."

    ahhhh well....eye will never back myself
    down into a corner where eye have to
    say Allah is ONLY a human and NOT unceen

    yes sura 57 says manifest and unceen

    but as far as the LIVING Manifest GOd
    in the realm of life and death
    as it relates to the QUran
    and Bible

    its a human

    "Give one blac man who got these attributes (besides Michael Jordan...LOL)"

    well lets take it one step further and make it
    practical

    all humans could have these attributes

    the original humans on this planet
    had these attributes but lost them

    a separation occured

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    Well, I suppose you never read the Quran because you say that sunni muslims don't believe in the other prophets with certaincy while it is admitted that we do.

    I would have answered you point by point if I suspect that you're serious and that theres a way to build here but "eye" see you goin to different and opposite directions in the same time with ironic ideas and speech.

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    PEACE!!!!!

    "Well, I suppose you never read the Quran because you say that sunni muslims don't believe in the other prophets with certaincy while it is admitted that we do."

    huh???

    eye NEVER said Sunni Muslims don't believe in other prophets

    all the shit eye typed and you can't even
    address what eye actually wrote?

    whut eye DID.... SAY.... COUNTLESS times in my
    slang broken english rant is that
    SUnni muslims other so called orthidox Muslims
    SAY "you MUST follow Muhammad and the QUran
    over and above EVERY other source of ISlam"

    Sunni Muslims not only transgress against Allah
    by SAYING the above but also they cannot even
    obey the laws laid down in the QUran nor
    can they accept the QUran in its pure form!!!!!!!

    for example...getting Vaccinated as ordered by Europeans

    and for example.....denying the verses in the QUran
    which give Allah human attributes

    AHmad Ben Hanbal and his kind didn't
    deny those verses....he verified that
    Allah made man in his image

    "you claim your ugly and digusting
    faces are in the image of Allah
    with your curly hair" to paraphrase
    is the type of comment that
    came from the ORIGINATORS
    of Sunni and sects like it

    eye can get the exact quote if you wish

    "I would have answered you point by point if I suspect that you're serious"

    huh????

    who's gonna save the young
    black, brown, red, yellow and white
    babies of
    so called orthidox Muslims from
    their parents handing them over
    to sum cracker ass doctor
    and letting him or her inject
    SWINE through a needle?????

    who's gonna prevent babies from
    being poisoned????

    WE are......and obviously not the SUnni Imam's or those
    like them...

    eye am dead AIDS CANCER FIGHTING
    Liyoto Machida running down the street
    through
    a tornado
    with sizzors in my hand serious my man!!!!!

    seriously motherfuckin seriously serious

    eye don't want babies poisoned.....

    "and that theres a way to build here but "eye" see you goin to different and opposite directions in the same time with ironic ideas and speech. "

    well...eye don't know....it might help for
    you to try and prove some of the smartdumb
    shit eye just wrote today wrong

    but if thats the route you gonna go....

    eye always leave an escape route
    like sun tzu said

    PEACE!!!!!!

    PEACE!!!!!

    "Well, I suppose you never read the Quran because you say that sunni muslims don't believe in the other prophets with certaincy while it is admitted that we do."

    huh???

    eye NEVER said Sunni Muslims don't believe in other prophets

    all the shit eye typed and you can't even
    address what eye actually wrote?

    whut eye DID.... SAY.... COUNTLESS times in my
    slang broken english rant is that
    SUnni muslims other so called orthidox Muslims
    SAY "you MUST follow Muhammad and the QUran
    over and above EVERY other source of ISlam"

    Sunni Muslims not only transgress against Allah
    by SAYING the above but also they cannot even
    obey the laws laid down in the QUran nor
    can they accept the QUran in its pure form!!!!!!!

    for example...getting Vaccinated as ordered by Europeans

    and for example.....denying the verses in the QUran
    which give Allah human attributes

    AHmad Ben Hanbal and his kind didn't
    deny those verses....he verified that
    Allah made man in his image

    "you claim your ugly and digusting
    faces are in the image of Allah
    with your curly hair" to paraphrase
    is the type of comment that
    came from the ORIGINATORS
    of Sunni and sects like it

    eye can get the exact quote if you wish

    "I would have answered you point by point if I suspect that you're serious"

    huh????

    who's gonna save the young
    black, brown, red, yellow and white
    babies of
    so called orthidox Muslims from
    their parents handing them over
    to sum cracker ass doctor
    and letting him or her inject
    SWINE through a needle?????

    who's gonna prevent babies from
    being poisoned????

    WE are......and obviously not the SUnni Imam's or those
    like them...

    eye am dead AIDS CANCER FIGHTING
    Liyoto Machida running down the street
    through
    a tornado
    with sizzors in my hand serious my man!!!!!

    seriously motherfuckin seriously serious

    eye don't want babies poisoned.....

    "and that theres a way to build here but "eye" see you goin to different and opposite directions in the same time with ironic ideas and speech. "

    well...eye don't know....it might help for
    you to try and prove some of the smartdumb
    shit eye just wrote today wrong

    but if thats the route you gonna go....

    eye always leave an escape route
    like sun tzu said

    PEACE!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
    PEACE!!!!!

    huh???

    eye NEVER said Sunni Muslims don't believe in other prophets

    all the shit eye typed and you can't even
    address what eye actually wrote?

    whut eye DID.... SAY.... COUNTLESS times in my
    slang broken english rant is that
    SUnni muslims other so called orthidox Muslims
    SAY "you MUST follow Muhammad and the QUran
    over and above EVERY other source of ISlam"
    We believe the previous scriptures are corrupted + islam came to correct and complete the teachings of the previous prophets = Quran is a way to follow.

    And... you MUST NOT because :

    " There shall be no compulsion in religion" (Quran 2:256)

    And

    "You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion." (Quran 109:4)

    Quote Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
    Sunni Muslims not only transgress against Allah
    by SAYING the above but also they cannot even
    obey the laws laid down in the QUran nor
    can they accept the QUran in its pure form!!!!!!!

    for example...getting Vaccinated as ordered by Europeans
    WTF with this vaccination story ?

    Quote Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
    and for example.....denying the verses in the QUran
    which give Allah human attributes

    AHmad Ben Hanbal and his kind didn't
    deny those verses....he verified that
    Allah made man in his image

    "you claim your ugly and digusting
    faces are in the image of Allah
    with your curly hair" to paraphrase
    is the type of comment that
    came from the ORIGINATORS
    of Sunni and sects like it

    eye can get the exact quote if you wish
    When god speak about face, hands or throne it is to make people understand the beyond understanding. It is not because god is a blackman arm leg leg arm head. This is in contradiction with all the other attributes of god such as The Holy, The Pure, The Perfect, The Almighty, The Sufficient, The All Knowing, The Omniscient, The All Hearing, The All Seeing, The Ressurecter, The Giver of Life, The Eternal, The Absolute, The Self-Sufficient.

    Give one blac man who got these attributes (besides Michael Jordan...LOL) ?

    Quote Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
    who's gonna save the young
    black, brown, red, yellow and white
    babies of
    so called orthidox Muslims from
    their parents handing them over
    to sum cracker ass doctor
    and letting him or her inject
    SWINE through a needle?????

    who's gonna prevent babies from
    being poisoned????
    You !!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
    WE are......and obviously not the SUnni Imam's or those
    like them...

    eye am dead AIDS CANCER FIGHTING
    Liyoto Machida running down the street
    through
    a tornado
    with sizzors in my hand serious my man!!!!!

    seriously motherfuckin seriously serious

    eye don't want babies poisoned.....
    Neither I.

    Quote Originally Posted by knowcheeze View Post
    well...eye don't know....it might help for
    you to try and prove some of the smartdumb
    shit eye just wrote today wrong

    but if thats the route you gonna go....

    eye always leave an escape route
    like sun tzu said

    PEACE!!!!!!
    Peace²

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    if the puzzle pieces keep fighting each other, they'll never see the big picture

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    Quote Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS View Post
    if the puzzle pieces keep fighting each other, they'll never see the big picture
    electric

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    and if eye could quote
    professor X

    oh and by the way

    there are some so called
    SUnni Muslims and other so called
    Orthidox Muslims who eye
    know personally and consider
    family and furthmore theres
    some so called Sunni Muslims
    who eye most defineatly ADMIRE

    for instance eye admire
    and have ETERNAL
    praises for those so called
    orthidox Muslims who are
    defending their homelands
    against United Snakes,
    European and any
    other form of IMPERIALISM

    your bravery is quite humbling!!!!!!

    PEACE to those
    revolutionaries
    who are defending their
    homeland and simultaneously
    NOT killing civilians

    On 10 June 2006 the Lebanese army arrested members of an alleged Israeli spy ring, including Mahmoud Rafeh, his wife, and two children.[60] Police discovered bomb-making materials, code machines and other espionage equipment in his home.[60] Rafeh reportedly confessed to the Majzoub killings and to working for Mossad,[61] and admitted that his cell had assassinated two Hezbollah leaders in 1999 and 2003 and the son of Ahmed Jibril, leader of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command, in 2002.[62] Former Lebanese Minister Walid Jumblatt, an outspoken critic of Hezbollah, suspected that the exposure of the spy ring was a Hezbollah fabrication.[60]

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    A lot of allegations here,
    I will provide a long response that involved a long thought process once I get home to a computer instead of sitting in the back row of my class trying to type up a response on my iPod touch.

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