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Old 02-18-2013, 11:39 PM   #1
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1.A structure consisting of an upright with a transverse beam used especially by the ancient Romans for execution.

Would those who really love Jesus wear the instrument used to hang him on their bodies? Are these the followers of Jesus?

Why would somebody choose this as a thing of remembrance? What is the mentality behind it?

And to symbolically eat his flesh and drink his blood?? Is this love? What is the deal with this obsession with pain and death and flesh and blood?
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Old 02-19-2013, 06:55 PM   #2
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long suffering

overcoming pain, suffering, and in Jesus's case, death is like extreme pressure on coal, the end result is diamond, dam near unbreakable diamond.

he possibly shared his inheritance with the world - his blood line - his family - so that the love of God his father could be for all
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Old 02-20-2013, 03:14 AM   #3
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perhaps the 4 creatures represent one man
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Old 02-20-2013, 06:27 AM   #4
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Perhaps the 4 creatures represent man when he is one.
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how is man not already one ?
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Man as an individual is more often than not fragmented due to specific trauma on both a day to day experiential level as well as through genetic and collective unconscious memory of trauma. For some reason this is how the human mind deals with trauma. It compartmentalizes it and creates many different personas, wearing different masks.

The astrotheoligical religions at their root are meant as a map to guide one through the many different landscapes of the mind back to the source point; the Self.
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man jumps into different currents of frequency

man has 7 antennas that hooks up to 7 different mind flows

he activates these by submitting to satisfying desires

he can only see and hear from his highest

he brings trauma, wear and tear to his self when attempting to live his daily life operating from a lower mind
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Old 02-21-2013, 10:16 AM   #8
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the mentality behind the cross is God displaying the characteristics of sovereignty, holiness, justice, goodness, lovingkindness, mercy, and graciousness. the cross symbolizes the salvific(sp?) work of Christ taking the punishment for the sins of God's elect people in preparing those elect people for eternal life with God in heaven.

as far as drinking jesus blood and eating his flesh,

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...8&version=NASB

those who partake in jesus' flesh and blood receive life from Christ.
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the mentality behind the cross is God displaying the characteristics of sovereignty, holiness, justice, goodness, lovingkindness, mercy, and graciousness. the cross symbolizes the salvific(sp?) work of Christ taking the punishment for the sins of God's elect people in preparing those elect people for eternal life with God in heaven.

as far as drinking jesus blood and eating his flesh,

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...8&version=NASB

those who partake in jesus' flesh and blood receive life from Christ.
Maybe you did not pay attention to what I wrote. A cross is used to nail people to it and hold them there til they pass away. Where is the "sovereignty, holiness, justice, goodness, lovingkindness, mercy, and graciousness" in that????? If you see goodness in that, then there's a problem with the way you see.

Is a man being punished for the sins of others fair? What if humans punished some for the crimes of others. Does this sound like justice to you?????
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the mentality behind the cross is God displaying the characteristics of sovereignty, holiness, justice, goodness, lovingkindness, mercy, and graciousness. the cross symbolizes the salvific(sp?) work of Christ taking the punishment for the sins of God's elect people in preparing those elect people for eternal life with God in heaven.

i can relate - the more sincere concern you show to people, the more they'll attempt to snuff out your light - as soon as you're feeling good, smiling, and sharing love, here comes the hater - especially when the love you are giving is getting attention - they wanna come around and try to prove to everyone that you ain't worth shit - they'll lie if they have to


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Maybe you did not pay attention to what I wrote. A cross is used to nail people to it and hold them there til they pass away. Where is the "sovereignty, holiness, justice, goodness, lovingkindness, mercy, and graciousness" in that????? If you see goodness in that, then there's a problem with the way you see.

Is a man being punished for the sins of others fair? What if humans punished some for the crimes of others. Does this sound like justice to you?????

the good is in what he gave and did for others - the mercy he showed to those who were so called unworthy - his love caused them to feel even more guilty of their ways and they felt exposed - so much so, they killed him


the cross is symbolic of his sacrifice - people don't normaly wear or use it to glorify pain and blood shed
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Maybe you did not pay attention to what I wrote. A cross is used to nail people to it and hold them there til they pass away. Where is the "sovereignty, holiness, justice, goodness, lovingkindness, mercy, and graciousness" in that????? If you see goodness in that, then there's a problem with the way you see.

Is a man being punished for the sins of others fair? What if humans punished some for the crimes of others. Does this sound like justice to you?????
in God's justice, holiness, and goodness he exacted punishment for sin by crushing Christ(isaiah 53).

God's love, mercy and grace is for his elect people who are sinners destined for holiness, whom Christ in their place, took the punishment for their sins.

by this method God displays all these characteristics. God's holiness, justice, and goodness is displayed in punishing sin and his love, mercy, and grace is displayed in taking the punishment for the sins of man.

the cross is the symbol of the mercy of God for those will receive his mercy.
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those who partake in jesus' flesh and blood receive life from Christ.

how does one "partake in jesus' flesh and blood" ?

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how does one "partake in jesus' flesh and blood" ?
by abiding in Christ by obeying his law.
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by abiding in Christ by obeying his law.

his law is Gods law - he didn't come here to change that, but to be it

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they give out wine and hard bread chips that look like casino coins at church instead of obeying the law - throughout the bible, the law is exclusively for the children of israel and not the gentiles -







when you have a people masquerading as "the choosen people of god", and establishing then promoting that as truth, you'll have the majority of earths population being used and abused by said people -





these used and abused people will then begin to feel and act unworthy.

perhaps these used and abused people really are the choosen people of god and those who are pretending to be, are really the satan written about who fooled the whole world into believing they were god
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perhaps these used and abused people really are the choosen people of god and those who are pretending to be,
are really the satan written about who fooled the whole world into believing they were god


i say he connected jew and gentile by sharing his blood and flesh

and that the cross is also the symbol of beast and man connected
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