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nitten · 08-11-2009, 03:40 PM

Now i am not an atheist, but i don't belong to any specific religion, i believe in the metaphysical, i personally believe in reincarnation, but i also believe in the principal that anything metaphysical is true to you if you believe in it. Therefore i respekt any one religious as long that you also respekt everyone elses opinions and belief, no matter how stupid they may seem to you, i rely on the definition of metaphysics that they can't be proofed, no one can proof that the world was created by god (or anything else really.) Therefore i don't understand people fighting over religion or people saying things like "well if there where no god, how was the world created" or atheists saying "well if god was real how come we got so much shit." again there is no proof that god excist nor is there any proof that god don't excist that's my problem with both sides, let me know if you agree or let me know what you believe.

Tage · 08-11-2009, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by nitten

again there is no proof that god excist nor is there any proof that god don't excist that's my problem with both sides, let me know if you agree or let me know what you believe.

i know how to solve your problem... educate yourself in the field of Science.

nitten · 08-11-2009, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Tage

i know how to solve your problem... educate yourself in the field of Science.

Sure i could do that, but if you like at things like the start of the earth all we got is theories, now i ain't sayin they wrong ight, but we got know absolut proof they right either. Now when we talkin things like evolution, start of it all, yea i know the theories and believe, all i'm saying that and athiest and a fanatic is the same thing and both are dead wrong.

JASPER · 08-11-2009, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by nitten

there is no proof that god excist nor is there any proof that god don't excist

That doesn't make sense. When there's no proof of something, it's fair to assume it didn't happen/excists. At least thats how it works in court.

Innocent until proven guilty
Godless until proven wrong

Why don't you just and believe what you want and live your life carefree. Religion is a disease.

Tage · 08-11-2009, 04:14 PM

well... you have 3 choices... the most common of those 3, is to not have any interest in any of it and follow the "ignorance is bliss" mantra.

one of the choices is to use science, logic and probability and form a rational point of view based on some sort of theory - big bang/darwins theory of evolution.

the other choice is to have "faith" in a mystical, all-knowing lord of the skies, like something in a comic book... where the only evidence this is based on is a book, that was most likely exaggerated(if any of those events actually happened) or formed to lead some sort of civilization out of a time of crisis by filling them with faith, and a promise of heaven in the afterlife.

nitten · 08-11-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Shenkie

That doesn't make sense. When there's no proof of something, it's fair to assume it didn't happen/excists. At least thats how it works in court.

Innocent until proven guilty
Godless until proven wrong

Why don't you just and believe what you want and live your life carefree. Religion is a disease.

The thing is that the metaphisical is not court, now like i said for my sake you can believe anything you want as long as you respect others beliefs, but to say religion is a disease is not respecting others beliefs.

nitten · 08-11-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tage

the other choice is to have "faith" in a mystical, all-knowing lord of the skies, like something in a comic book... where the only evidence this is based on is a book, that was most likely exaggerated(if any of those events actually happened) or formed to lead some sort of civilization out of a time of crisis by filling them with faith, and a promise of heaven in the afterlife.

Well there you said it yourself, lead a civilization out of a crisis, that to me is proof enough to support my theory, that we schould respect eachothers beliefs.

Tage · 08-11-2009, 04:31 PM

i do respect peoples beliefs.... but i do not respect do-gooder christians who have a comfortable 2.4 children family home, who devote their lives to someone else's God and raise their kids in such a way it alienates them from normal society.

^i hate those types of seedy weirdos. the kids are just as bad, until they grow up and think for themselves. its the unlucky ones who do not reach the required IQ to "think for themselves" i feel sorry for.

beautifulrock · 08-11-2009, 04:58 PM

You are an atheist. You just don't know it.

JASPER · 08-11-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by nitten

The thing is that the metaphisical is not court, now like i said for my sake you can believe anything you want as long as you respect others beliefs, but to say religion is a disease is not respecting others beliefs.

All that metaphysical stuff is awfully vague.

I don't want to respect other peoples beliefs, I won't bother them though, but I don't have much respect for people who are religious in any way, in the sense that I see them as brainwashed jesus junkies.

STYLE · 08-11-2009, 07:18 PM

i can prove that an omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent entity exists.

those are the qualities that define what a God is.

and i can show you proof.

DeeBlock · 08-11-2009, 08:42 PM

I would like to see that proof.

DrBold241 · 08-11-2009, 10:25 PM

^^^ yeah james, do it to it.

08-11-2009, 03:40 PM	#1
nitten Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	My problem with both athiest and believers Now i am not an atheist, but i don't belong to any specific religion, i believe in the metaphysical, i personally believe in reincarnation, but i also believe in the principal that anything metaphysical is true to you if you believe in it. Therefore i respekt any one religious as long that you also respekt everyone elses opinions and belief, no matter how stupid they may seem to you, i rely on the definition of metaphysics that they can't be proofed, no one can proof that the world was created by god (or anything else really.) Therefore i don't understand people fighting over religion or people saying things like "well if there where no god, how was the world created" or atheists saying "well if god was real how come we got so much shit." again there is no proof that god excist nor is there any proof that god don't excist that's my problem with both sides, let me know if you agree or let me know what you believe.

08-11-2009, 04:14 PM	#5
Tage John W. Henry Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: U.K. Age: 25 Posts: 6,570 Rep Power: 31	well... you have 3 choices... the most common of those 3, is to not have any interest in any of it and follow the "ignorance is bliss" mantra. one of the choices is to use science, logic and probability and form a rational point of view based on some sort of theory - big bang/darwins theory of evolution. the other choice is to have "faith" in a mystical, all-knowing lord of the skies, like something in a comic book... where the only evidence this is based on is a book, that was most likely exaggerated(if any of those events actually happened) or formed to lead some sort of civilization out of a time of crisis by filling them with faith, and a promise of heaven in the afterlife. __________________ Last edited by Tage; 08-11-2009 at 04:16 PM.

08-11-2009, 04:31 PM	#8
Tage John W. Henry Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: U.K. Age: 25 Posts: 6,570 Rep Power: 31	i do respect peoples beliefs.... but i do not respect do-gooder christians who have a comfortable 2.4 children family home, who devote their lives to someone else's God and raise their kids in such a way it alienates them from normal society. ^i hate those types of seedy weirdos. the kids are just as bad, until they grow up and think for themselves. its the unlucky ones who do not reach the required IQ to "think for themselves" i feel sorry for. __________________

08-11-2009, 07:18 PM	#11
STYLE Gen Chat Bully Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Springfield Posts: 14,228 Rep Power: 106	i can prove that an omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent entity exists. those are the qualities that define what a God is. and i can show you proof. __________________ STYLE MASTERY DL Link NEW ALBUM "STYLE Mastery" is HERE!!! alternate link. https://www.box.com/s/jngy62zuty6u072lhytu

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08-11-2009, 08:42 PM	#12
DeeBlock Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 604 Rep Power: 9	I would like to see that proof.

08-11-2009, 10:25 PM	#13
DrBold241 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 480 Rep Power: 0	^^^ yeah james, do it to it.