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Old 03-07-2010, 09:35 PM   #16
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Old 03-07-2010, 09:46 PM   #17
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I'm an atheist but instead of disregarding the concept of god I just looked at the universe for something that fits the definition of god.

As A Result I don't see god as a conscience but rather a name for all the powers that make the universe work.
God is often seen as the overseer & Controller of the universe, this transelates into gravity for example, it makes sure we stay on earth & the earth stays in orbit around the sun so that we hav elife.
Another example is Evolution, it oversees us and often gives what we need to survive.

This is interesting.
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Old 03-08-2010, 06:05 PM   #18
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God is a concept our forefather's invented to protect us from ourselves.
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God is a concept our forefather's invented to protect us from ourselves.
Humans built the sydney opera house right? engineered it?

So logically something must have engineered us, we just have never seen it, but it does not mean it's not there.

Can you see bacteria? NO. It's still there though.
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Can you see bacteria? NO. It's still there though.

bacteria is unseen ?

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We believe it's there - if it is, now what ?

our existence is iLL


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If you can "define" YOURSELF, then you can define GOD.
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From the Quran, Chapter 112
Say: He is Allah, the One!
Allah, the eternally Besought of all!
He begetteth not nor was begotten.
And there is none comparable unto Him.

So in short, from the Islamic perspective, God is not a spirit, because a spirit is still a creation, and God is a creator, and not part of the creation, this is a very important concept in Islam and monotheism.

The Originator of the heavens and the earth; He made mates for you from among yourselves, and mates of the cattle too, multiplying you thereby; nothing like a likeness of Him; and He is the Hearing, the Seeing. Quran 42:11

So in short, there is nothing like Allah. Naught is as His likeness in attribute, knowledge, power and providence.
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A book saying God is eternally Besought of all aint gonna convince no one.
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Old 03-10-2010, 06:59 PM   #29
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humans built the sydney opera house right? Engineered it?

So logically something must have engineered us (explain to me why), we just have never seen it, but it does not mean it's not there.

that's not logical at all. What it is, is a logical fallacy. Such a familiar, baseless argument you have chosen also. I appreciate you choosing an australian example though, so i could understand your rock solid and highly complex viewpoint.

can you see bacteria? No. It's still there though.

you can see bacteria. A better example would have been oxygen gas or something of that nature, but it still wouldn't have strengthened your weak arguement.
shem hetep.
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The definition of God that Gavin, and VADER outlined, to me at least, is not a viable definition outside a Wutang Clan forum.

In reality, the majority of people define God as a man, who is probably white with a beard, who can send you to Heaven or Hell, and promises you eternal life. Of course I've simplified things immensely right there, but the themes people believe about "God" are essentially the same worldwide.

That definition of God, and all the horrendous, manipulative bullshit that goes with it, is EVIL, and I can't support it.
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