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Old 03-18-2010, 08:19 PM   #1
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well the one at the end of revelations

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Revelation 22:16
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
Revelation 22:15-17 (in Context) Revelation 22 (Whole Chapter)








Is he saying that he is from two nations ?
2 people ?





Isaiah 14:12
How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
Isaiah 14:11-13 (in Context) Isaiah 14 (Whole Chapter)








in scripture, it is known that the morning star is another title for satan

according to the bible, does the morning star have children ?







Genesis 3:15

15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring [a] and hers;
he will crush [b] your head,
and you will strike his heel."








But here it seems they came together at one point

the Morning stars and the angels







Job 38:7
while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy?
Job 38:6-8 (in Context) Job 38 (Whole Chapter)
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i still laugh at the fact that people still hold true Mary somehow had magic sperm just bust all up in her
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i still laugh at the fact that people still hold true Mary somehow had magic sperm just bust all up in her
that's nothing compared to the dude who got eaten by a giant fish and camped out in his stomach just chillin before he escaped
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LOL damn I gotta read this bible thing
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well the one at the end of revelations

said this:



Revelation 22:16
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
Revelation 22:15-17 (in Context) Revelation 22 (Whole Chapter)








Is he saying that he is from two nations ?
2 people ?
No.

The Morning Star was at one point Lucifer, but as a position of power it sits closest to God.
The Morning Star is actually Venus and in Ancient times it was viewed as the closest star to the sun.

The Morning Star is viewed as being God's light, bring his glory to the creation.. if you want to call it that.

Jesus is of the line of David, he is also of the divinity carried by God's light.
That's what Lucifer's name originated from(Lucifer=light bearer) and in Jewish Mythology in contrast to Jesus, Uriel sits as God's head angel and as the new morning star.
Both are considered Lucifer's replacement.

Of course this raises the question was Jesus the angel of the lord before he was placed here on this earth ?

I'd like to remind people though, no one is insisting the sun is literally God.
Although it may somehow act as a portal or as a vessel along the rest of the heavenly constellations between this world and the next...



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Isaiah 14:12
How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
Isaiah 14:11-13 (in Context) Isaiah 14 (Whole Chapter)








in scripture, it is known that the morning star is another title for satan
Morning Star is a title for Lucifer, not Satan.
http://www.steliart.com/angelology_f...archangel.html

Read up. It's all terribly complicated lol
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Jesus is of the line of David, he is also of the divinity carried by God's light.

through who though ?







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Morning Star is a title for Lucifer, not Satan.
http://www.steliart.com/angelology_f...archangel.html

Read up. It's all terribly complicated lol


i didn't know there was a difference
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Old 03-19-2010, 10:18 AM   #9
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through who though ?











i didn't know there was a difference

A lot of Christians I know don't know there's a difference lol
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Wait, I thought the snake was a different being as well.
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A lot of Christians I know don't know there's a difference lol
What is the difference ?
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through who though ?
Missed that part earlier.
Depends on who you ask.
It's conterversial.
Some say the account by Matthew of it being Marion(Mary's actual name) is correct.
Others say the account Luke saying Joseph is correct.


http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-genealogy.html


No one knows.
Some also think, and I consider it a legitimate possibility that Jesus considered himself a return to Israel/Judaism as it's own kingdom and sovereign rather than a roman puppet state.

You notice who he references, Moses and Abraham and other revolutionaries who founded it, yet he claims himself to be directly linked to the man who unified Israel as a nation and made it what we know it as(David).


Like I said, everything is so terribly complicated....
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What is the difference ?
Their appearences and when they fall.
Their roles as well.
One was used to bring light to God and was responsible for all the music made in heaven.(Lucifer)

The other was used to bring out man's flaws.
Satan actually is never mentioned as being evil.
His name literally means adversary.
He manipulates man's wants and desires much as a prosecutor and reveals whether or not they are worthy.

In short, he is humanity's anti-thesis.
Flawless, lacking gullability, not in the list bit earthly or suffering from lust/temptation.

I'm not sure Satan can be called an angel even...
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Their appearences and when they fall.
Their roles as well.
One was used to bring light to God and was responsible for all the music made in heaven.(Lucifer)

The other was used to bring out man's flaws.
Satan actually is never mentioned as being evil.
His name literally means adversary.
He manipulates man's wants and desires much as a prosecutor and reveals whether or not they are worthy.

In short, he is humanity's anti-thesis.
Flawless, lacking gullability, not in the list bit earthly or suffering from lust/temptation.

I'm not sure Satan can be called an angel even...

which one of them is the arch deceiver ?

that description you gave of satan describes women
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which one of them is the arch deceiver ?

that description you gave of satan describes women
Satan.
Satan was Satan before the fall of Lucifer and through the power of deception he put God's servants through some pretty viscious trials... Job is an example of that.

They don't mention much about either character though....

The angels are weird creatures...
Powerful, not omnipotent.
Noble, not omnipresent.
Some of them, are even said to be elect.

I find them fascinating unlike nature deities or gods, because their attributes are all very finite.
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