who are the real Muslims?

[knowcheeze]

"This engages only the person who said it, if the prophet wanted us to know who are the 72 sects he would have cited them. So it's not up to me or you or the sunni muslim you know to define wich sect is going to survive coz you dont ever know. And even someone who belong to one of the wrong 71 sects can be saved from hell because God is all merciful."

this thread is a reaction to sunni's accusing others
of being the hell fire

"You got it wrong bro. Sunni muslims believe in all the prophets and respect them and love them equally."

huh???

eye never said they didn't

Africans didn't originally eat meat and milk

whut happens with Sunni sect is you
have wacky zany bonkers shit like
jet black Somalians who
dislike Black americans

eye been amounsgst so called orthidox
Muslims my whole life

they think Muhammad is the one who
should be followed above everyone else

and Muhammads culture was that of a modern
arab.....

let me repeat Africans did not originally eat meat
and milk

"As for Muhammad, he was the last and final messenger and he came to correct the corrupted scriptures, it happends he is arabic, this is the wisdom of god, he could have been israelite like Moses and Jesus or from Ur like Abraham."

godgodknowledgeknoweldge
77:7 Surely that which you are promised will come to pass.

77:8 So when the stars are made to disappear,

77 And when the heaven is rent asunder,

77:10 And when the mountains are carried away as dust,

77:11 And when the messengers are made to reach their appointed time,

77:12 To what day is the doom fixed?

77:13 To the day of Decision.

77:14 And what will make thee comprehend what the day of Decision is?

Messengerssss(plural)ssssss are made to reach their appointed time

this verse is clearly talking about the last days...NOW

we know 2 of these messengers is
Jesus part 2 and the Mahdi

"Do you mean over self in the sense of discovering god by your own mental like abraham or self in the sense of doing what you like and worship the way your brain dictate you ?"

when the circle of justice spins it
punishes those who do whut they like
as opposed to whut causes rewards
to appear when understanding
shows its face

the pineal organ 3rd eye secrets a white substance
the pituatary a yellow substance...milk and honey

""GOD will say, "O Jesus, son of Mary, remember My blessings upon you and your mother. I supported you with the Holy Spirit, to enable you to speak to the people from the crib, as well as an adult. I taught you the scripture, wisdom, the Torah, and the Gospel. Recall that you created from clay the shape of a bird by My leave, then blew into it, and it became a live bird by My leave. You healed the blind and the leprous by My leave, and revived the dead by My leave. Recall that I protected you from the Children of Israel who wanted to hurt you, despite the profound miracles you had shown them. The disbelievers among them said, `This is obviously magic'." (Quran 5:110)"

Muhammad said Gabriels visitations
was less painfull when he came in the
form of a man

well since you believe Allah is unceen eye
could cee how you would think "by my leave"
means Jesus just all of a sudden got these powers
from a unceen God but


remember when Gabriel in a white robe
walked up to Muhammad
and his peoples and started questioning them????

well in that manner Jesus was taught

Jesus was taught by people other than
Allah's angels too

remember when Allah came to Muhammad
in a vision in the form of a young man
with curly hair?

Ahmad Ben Hanbal verified it as authentic

sura 57 says Allah is the hidden and the manifest

personally eye feel that the hidden or
the unceen is so deep and unfathomable
that it cannot really be described in words

but on the other hand
the ALLAH MANIFESTed

the LIVING GOD

the God in the realm of life and death....

as it relates to Bible and Quran

is a human being

the human being who gives orders
to the 23 angels who are human beings too

Gabriel is a man
Micheal is a man
Malik is a man

its a council

the prophets was raised by human beings
who recognized the designs of the
hidden the unceen

when the living manifest Allah
of scripture or one of his angels
leaves his body permanently
another human being takes his place

but to take it even futher
and bring this shit some practicality...
ummmmm

the manifest and LIVING GOD

as it relates to us personally

is the person looking at you in the mirror

although the manifest living devil
as it relates to us personally

is the person looking at you in the mirror

""The Jews said, "Ezra is the son of GOD," while the Christians said, "Jesus is the son of GOD!" These are blasphemies uttered by their mouths. They thus match the blasphemies of those who have disbelieved in the past. GOD condemns them. They have surely deviated." (Quran 9;30)"

Sura 9???? the war sura where it says
SLAY THE IDolators????

it must have spoken of a specific
type of christian because Muhammads
followers fled to a Christian Ethiopian King
who treated them well

a line in the sand was the distance
said the Negus

a christian king who knows
Davids Psalms which says
Ye are sons of God

well theres the conflict and condradiction
cuz in Davids Psalms and many places
in the OLD testament the term
"sons of God" is used

in fact that was one of the most deleted
things from the OT by scripture tamperererruurs

"sons of God"

because it destroyed the whole Jesus
is Gods only begotten son

this is one of the dangers of disconnecting
from the African origins of Islam to
follow only the Arab prophet

not knowing that ELoheem(from the Torah)
means the Godssssss

would ensure that one would not know
why the Quran uses the term "We"
when Allah is speaking

"Do you think the Most High who created the universe and the earth and evrything inbetween could'nt make a prophet out of someone who can't read ?"

when did eye deny he couldn't?

eye don't put limits on whut Allah can or cannot do

Sunni's however say Allah could never put
himself inside a man....or woman

putting limits on whut Allah can and cannot do

"You seem to have an identity/cultural problem with Muhammad. why muhammad ? why muhammad ? why muhammad ? "

yes my questionn exactly

"Well sorry but it is the highest. "

it came from the HIghest
but the laws to qualify one
as muslim in the Quran are
not the highest ...

the Quran even says we made it EASY

"Identity problem."

yeah thinking that you gotta specifically
follow the one modern day Arab Prophet
would defineatly cause identity problems

especially if you naturally allegeric to
the food the culture eats

and then injecting pork in your babies

"Well, you want to choose what you like from the Quran (that you discovered in America not long time ago) and make it your own sausage and pretend it was originated from Africa ? What you believe in never came from Africa, I know ... I live in Africa "

the originators of SUnni banned literal
interpertations of the QUran when
it came to Allah having hands, eyes,
feet etc

so its seems like sunni's wanna pick and choose

"Well like I said it aint about culture, it's about belief and worship. You can keep your own culture, it aint in contradiction with islam."

uhhh theres plenty of people from all 3
major religions who believe in God
and worship and killed innocent
people......Saddam Hussien and George
Bush prayed and worshiped and believed too

which proves how valuable belief and worship is

impeccablity of energy usage is far superior
to belief and worship because you know
why you not doing certain things while
believers and worshipers just take things
at face value and end up injecting
pork in their babies

resisting a certain culture
will ensure not having
your babies injected with pork

"So you mean God shouldnt have given the book to these people ? or He was mistaken ?"

oh thank goodness he did.......

many of the so called muslim here in the USA
wanna be Arab real bad and even
act snooty and elitist just like arab does

"I dont believe too but it's god's will, you cant be more wise than the creator."

tell that to your SUnni breathren saying
the 5 percent is headed for hell fire

""And (as for) the man who steals and the woman who steals, cut off their hands as a punishment for what they have earned, an exemplary punishment from Allah; and Allah is Mighty, Wise." (Quran 5:38)[/QUOTE]"

more evidence the Quran is not
the higest form of Islam

PEACE

[knowcheeze]

"When god speak about face, hands or throne it is to make people understand the beyond understanding."

so u say

"It is not because god is a blackman arm leg leg arm head."

uh you think the when Gabriel in the white robe rolled
up on Muhammad and his people it was a white guy?

eye just gave you examples of how Allah and
his angels appeared to Muhammad in the form
of men in the previous post

"This is in contradiction with all the other attributes of god such as The Holy, The Pure, The Perfect, The Almighty, The Sufficient, The All Knowing, The Omniscient, The All Hearing, The All Seeing, The Ressurecter, The Giver of Life, The Eternal, The Absolute, The Self-Sufficient."

ahhhh well....eye will never back myself
down into a corner where eye have to
say Allah is ONLY a human and NOT unceen

yes sura 57 says manifest and unceen

but as far as the LIVING Manifest GOd
in the realm of life and death
as it relates to the QUran
and Bible

its a human

"Give one blac man who got these attributes (besides Michael Jordan...LOL)"

well lets take it one step further and make it
practical

all humans could have these attributes

the original humans on this planet
had these attributes but lost them

a separation occured

[Frank Sobotka]

The Jews are.

[Hellspawn]

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

this thread is a reaction to sunni's accusing others
of being the hell fire

Depends of the way of exposing the subject but somene who tells you the truth aint accusing you.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

eye been amounsgst so called orthidox
Muslims my whole life

they think Muhammad is the one who
should be followed above everyone else

Yes it's true. The message that Muhammad brougth is the one to follow and the 5% ideology has nothing to do with islam, I dont even know why you use islamic terms. It is more similar to the corrupted judaism : a divine religion for a divine race.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

and Muhammads culture was that of a modern
arab.....

and you cant accept it, isnt it ?

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

godgodknowledgeknoweldge
77:7 Surely that which you are promised will come to pass.

77:8 So when the stars are made to disappear,

77 And when the heaven is rent asunder,

77:10 And when the mountains are carried away as dust,

77:11 And when the messengers are made to reach their appointed time,

77:12 To what day is the doom fixed?

77:13 To the day of Decision.

77:14 And what will make thee comprehend what the day of Decision is?

Messengerssss(plural)ssssss are made to reach their appointed time

this verse is clearly talking about the last days...NOW

Of course all messengerrs like all human beigns will be gathered for the judgement day.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

we know 2 of these messengers is
Jesus part 2 and the Mahdi

Al Mahdi is not a messenger he's a human beign like me and you. I already tld you Muhammad is the last of the prophets (the seal of the prophehts)

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

Muhammad said Gabriels visitations
was less painfull when he came in the
form of a man

Search for the description of the angels in their original forms and you'll understand why.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

well since you believe Allah is unceen eye
could cee how you would think "by my leave"
means Jesus just all of a sudden got these powers
from a unceen God but


remember when Gabriel in a white robe
walked up to Muhammad
and his peoples and started questioning them????

well in that manner Jesus was taught

Allah allowed to Jesus and gave him the supernatural power to ressurect the deads (remember this story in the bible of a woman who touched him and get cured, he even didnt know who it was), like he allowed Moses to split the sea.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

Jesus was taught by people other than
Allah's angels too

source

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

remember when Allah came to Muhammad
in a vision in the form of a young man
with curly hair?

no

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

Ahmad Ben Hanbal verified it as authentic

sura 57 says Allah is the hidden and the manifest

personally eye feel that the hidden or
the unceen is so deep and unfathomable
that it cannot really be described in words

but on the other hand
the ALLAH MANIFESTed

the LIVING GOD

the God in the realm of life and death....

as it relates to Bible and Quran

is a human being

057.003 He is the First and the Last, the Evident and the Hidden: and He has full knowledge of all things.

His existance is evident, in no way the manifest or the seen.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

the human being who gives orders
to the 23 angels who are human beings too

Gabriel is a man
Micheal is a man
Malik is a man

its a council

LOL

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

the prophets was raised by human beings
who recognized the designs of the
hidden the unceen

when the living manifest Allah
of scripture or one of his angels
leaves his body permanently
another human being takes his place

but to take it even futher
and bring this shit some practicality...
ummmmm

the manifest and LIVING GOD

as it relates to us personally

is the person looking at you in the mirror

although the manifest living devil
as it relates to us personally

is the person looking at you in the mirror

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

it must have spoken of a specific
type of christian because Muhammads
followers fled to a Christian Ethiopian King
who treated them well

and submitted to god annd followed Muhammad.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

a line in the sand was the distance
said the Negus

a christian king who knows
Davids Psalms which says
Ye are sons of God

well theres the conflict and condradiction
cuz in Davids Psalms and many places
in the OLD testament the term
"sons of God" is used

there is no such a thing as son of god.

112:1 Say: He is God, the One and Only;
112:2 God, the Eternal, Absolute;
112:3 He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
112:4 And there is none like unto Him.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

this is one of the dangers of disconnecting
from the African origins of Islam to
follow only the Arab prophet

not knowing that ELoheem(from the Torah)
means the Godssssss

would ensure that one would not know
why the Quran uses the term "We"
when Allah is speaking

All corruptions inspired by the devil (not the white one but the shytan)

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

Sunni's however say Allah could never put
himself inside a man....or woman

putting limits on whut Allah can and cannot do

According to the Qurran.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

yeah thinking that you gotta specifically
follow the one modern day Arab Prophet
would defineatly cause identity problems

So more than an identity problems, you seem to reject the arabic prophet because you racist and a paranoid who thinks :

the reason the Orthidox Muslims wanna HIDE this is because they secretly hate black people.....they talk all that equality shit but once they get behind closed doors they talk about that savage black man.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL you really believe that ? So orthodox muslims whethehr thhey are white; black or sand hates black people ? lol this is so funny. You mean Ali Clay, Malclm X, Kareem Abduljabar, Shareed Abdurraheem, Freeway and Mike Tyson hate black people ?

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

uhhh theres plenty of people from all 3
major religions who believe in God
and worship and killed innocent
people......Saddam Hussien and George
Bush prayed and worshiped and believed too

which proves how valuable belief and worship is

You can't judge a religin according to men's acts.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

many of the so called muslim here in the USA
wanna be Arab real bad and even
act snooty and elitist just like arab does

Who's the elitist, the one who claim the Quran is a book for all mankind wich are equals or the one who claim a certain race is superior and godly and is the only one that'll be saved ?

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

tell that to your SUnni breathren saying
the 5 percent is headed for hell fire

Those wh don't believe in the unicity of god or associate someone/something to him will rot in hellfire.

[Edgar Erebus]

Hellspawn, meet knowcheese, who is one of the dumbest and most retarded posters who ever appeared here, who doesn't know anything besides his blind black islam and anti-vaccination agendas, and whose every thread just screams "FREE POST!"

Don't even waste keyboard hits.

[Hellspawn]

Originally Posted by Slim T

Hellspawn, meet knowcheese, who is one of the dumbest and most retarded posters who ever appeared here, who doesn't know anything besides his blind black islam and anti-vaccination agendas, and whose every thread just screams "FREE POST!"

Don't even waste keyboard hits.

The more I read his posts the more I realize

[knowcheeze]

PEACE!!!!!!!!!

"Depends of the way of exposing the subject but somene who tells you the truth aint accusing you. "

yes someone who tells one the truth is not accusing

eye agree

"Yes it's true. The message that Muhammad brougth is the one to follow"

*knowcheeze makes hand movements in the
face of Slim T like Prince did applonia in purple rain*

ahhhhh..."hell spawn"....no its not true

the message that Muhammad brought is
one of the ways to follow...yes!
but
it is not "the one" because there are others

finally at last you have jumped on that
particular theoretical position
...at last.....have fun at that childish fairy tale
position.......very similar to the christians who
think Jesus is "the one"


and really it raises red flags like....um.....
why do you say the ONE to follow just
happens to be the MOdern day cultural
Arab

"and the 5% ideology has nothing to do with islam,"

your sense of history got honey stains on it
bee vomit all over the place!!!!
eye smell lamb kabob

Ahmad Ibn Hanbal was imprisoned and tortured for twenty-eight months under the Abbasid caliph al-Mu`tasim in an effort to force him to publicly espouse the [Mu`tazila] position

n 1306 Ibn Taymiyyah was imprisoned in the citadel of Cairo for eighteen months on the charge of anthropomorphism. He was incarcerated again in 1308 for several months.

Yes eye concede that the unceen
form of Allah is beyond life and death
but
eye have been telling you that
related to the Bible and Quran

Allah....in his living manifest
form

has hands, eyes, feet....just like da QUran
says he does

" I dont even know why you use islamic terms. It is more similar to the corrupted judaism : a divine religion for a divine race. "

whut could you say as the planets get further and further away?

ummmm.....this is the official definition
of whut qualifies one as a 5 percent.....
these are the bare minimum requirements
om about to list
1)one who's number one target group
to teach is the poor and righteous
or the ones who suffer from
the rich and snake like
2)one who does not believe the
rich bloodsucker of the poor
3)all wise
4)teach the living God is the black man of asia
5)teach freedom justice equality to all
the human family of the planet earth

so eye don't really deal with any divine
chosen people and at the end of the day
eye can fall back into the position
that that guy in the white robe who rolled
up on Muhammad and his people
was a human and his name is Jahbreel

the people whom Allah sent
his Prophets and Messengers to
are the "chosen people"

it has nothing to do with race

and furthermore the "chosen people"
are not superior to any man woman
mosquito, ant, wu tang killer bee
a camel on mars
or anything else

its just a descriptive term

"and you cant accept it, isnt it ?"

huh?

eye been saying over and over again
that Muhammad is a modern arab
so obviously eye can accept it

"Of course all messengerrs like all human beigns will be gathered for the judgement day."

"77:11 And when the messengers are made to reach their appointed time,"

thats your cultural interpertation of it

the verses that preceed it are setting
a description of the last days
and then it says Messengers(plural)
are made
to reach their appointed time

whut is a Messengers appointed time????

thats when they begin their mission

"Al Mahdi is not a messenger he's a human beign like me and you."

now you slippin

owl let you off easy and just focus on
the fact you didn't mention
Isa(Jesus) ....its Mahdi and Jesus

Jesus is a prophet

whooooops

"I already tld you Muhammad is the last of the prophets (the seal of the prophehts) "

never have eye denied this

"Search for the description of the angels in their original forms and you'll understand why."

yeah the unceen is downright dreadfull at times

"Allah allowed to Jesus and gave him the supernatural power to ressurect the deads (remember this story in the bible of a woman who touched him and get cured, he even didnt know who it was),"

yes the human Allah or his human angels
combined with others taught Jesus

"source"

have you given any sources yet
for your interpertations of the QUran?

"no"

you haven't heard of it....big suprise

"His existance is evident, in no way the manifest or the seen."

057.003 He is the First and the Last, the Evident and the Hidden: and He has full knowledge of all things.

okay....from the very same translation you used above for 57:3

how does sura 4:34 look in that translation you used....

004.034 Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because God has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what God would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance): For God is Most High, Great (above you all).

BEAT THEM LIGHTLY?????

huh?

thats one stellar translation there...

my translation doesn't say to beat women

step your game up

"and submitted to god annd followed Muhammad. "

that could be debated

"there is no such a thing as son of god."

thats not whut the old testament says
nor the New testament.....we are all sons of God

sons of GOd was deleted much from
the old testament yet it stilll appears

"112:1 Say: He is God, the One and Only;
112:2 God, the Eternal, Absolute;
112:3 He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
112:4 And there is none like unto Him. "

hahahaa

In verse two, God is referred to as aß-ßamad. This word is the hapax legomenon of the Qur'an. Even today there is no agreement as to what the word means.[2] It is often translated as "Eternal" or "He to whom all depend," but this is not the lexical meaning of the word. By the time of al-Tabari (d. 923) the orthodox reading equated ßamad with mußmat, "solid, of even composition, massive, compact, or not hollow (i.e. without a stomach cavity)."[3] Al-Ash'ari (d. 935), in his Maqal§t al-Isl§mÊyÊn observed: "Many people say, 'He (God) is solid,' interpreting the word of God 'ßamad' to mean solid, i.e., not hollow."[4] The greatest of the Sahaba (Companions) and the Tabi'un (Successors) attached this meaning to the word: Ibn Abbas, al-Hasan, Sa'id b. Jubayr, Mujahid, ad-Dahhak, Sa'id b. al-Mausayyib, Ikrimah. The great men of the Salaf understood this word to mean that God is a massive, solid being, not hollow (i.e. without a stomach cavity).[5] God is thus a physical being.

Read m

as far as he beget not nor is he begotten

thats speaking of the unceen form of Allah

but it also speaks about the living GOd
too...but you not ready for that

the Quran doesn't say Allah is only
a human or unceen....because
unceen beings don't sit on a throne
with feet on a stool

the Quran says

the likeness of Jesus with Allah is as the likeness of Adam.

"So more than an identity problems, you seem to reject the arabic prophet because you racist and a paranoid who thinks : "

stop throwing those strawmen up

eye told you from the beginning that
people like YOU say "THE ONE" everyone should
follow is Muhammad......is the reason eye bring this up

om wondering why you are so obsessed with
having everyone follow an Arab culture?

cee how eye threw that bullshit back in your face?

"LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL you really believe that ? So orthodox muslims whethehr thhey are white; black or sand hates black people ? lol this is so funny. You mean Ali Clay, Malclm X, Kareem Abduljabar, Shareed Abdurraheem, Freeway and Mike Tyson hate black people ? "

strawman

"You can't judge a religin according to men's acts."

you most certainly can

"Who's the elitist, the one who claim the Quran is a book for all mankind wich are equals or the one who claim a certain race is superior and godly and is the only one that'll be saved ?"

when did eye ever say any certain race
is superior and the only one that will be saved????

eye think eye made it quite clear that
everyone's greatest GOd is the one looking
and them in the mirror....

regardless of who they are

"Those wh don't believe in the unicity of god or associate someone/something to him will rot in hellfire"

yes your children get injected with pork
but someone else is gonna rot in the hell fire

PEACE

[Hellspawn]

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

ahhhhh..."hell spawn"....no its not true

the message that Muhammad brought is
one of the ways to follow...yes!
but
it is not "the one" because there are others

there are proofs that most of them are corrupted.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

finally at last you have jumped on that
particular theoretical position
...at last.....have fun at that childish fairy tale
position.......very similar to the christians who
think Jesus is "the one"


and really it raises red flags like....um.....
why do you say the ONE to follow just
happens to be the MOdern day cultural
Arab

It is Allah Will.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

your sense of history got honey stains on it
bee vomit all over the place!!!!
eye smell lamb kabob

Ahmad Ibn Hanbal was imprisoned and tortured for twenty-eight months under the Abbasid caliph al-Mu`tasim in an effort to force him to publicly espouse the [Mu`tazila] position

n 1306 Ibn Taymiyyah was imprisoned in the citadel of Cairo for eighteen months on the charge of anthropomorphism. He was incarcerated again in 1308 for several months.

Yes eye concede that the unceen
form of Allah is beyond life and death
but
eye have been telling you that
related to the Bible and Quran

Allah....in his living manifest
form

has hands, eyes, feet....just like da QUran
says he does

Dont quote someone who is contradicting what you advance :

1) He would believe in the description that Allah gave to himself in the Quran, or inspired the Prophet with, and affirm them at their face value (Dhahir), while generally negating any resemblance between the Creator and the creation.


2) He would vigorously reject negative theology (Ta’til), as well as allegorical exegesis (Ta’wil), with respect to belief in Allah, which was heavily employed by the Jahmites, Mu’tazilites and the Kullabites (later to be known as the Ash’arites) to justify their philosophical approach to God.


3) He believed that Allah Speaks with letters and sound, for he believed every word and letter of the Quran to be the word of Allah, contrary to the Kullabites, who, in their opposition to the Mu’tazilites, affirmed eternal Speech for Allah, yet still agreed with them in that they believed that the Quran, which is composed of letters, was created.


4) He believed that Allah literally Hears and Sees; that He has two Hands with which He created Adam; that Allah has a Face


5) He believed that Allah literally Rose over the Throne after Creating the heavens and the Earth in six days.


6) He believed that Allah is High above and distinct from His creation


7) He believed that Allah is all Knowing, All Wise, All Power and All Able, and that Allah has His own Will, He Does what He likes out of His Wisdom. Whatever Allah has Written and Decreed upon His creation, must come to pass. Nothing leaves His knowledge, or happens without His Permission or Will.


8) He believed that Allah becomes Pleased when obeyed and Displeased when disobeyed.


9) He would regard the Jahmiyah (followers of al-Jahm ibn Safwan), and the Rafidha (the Imami Shias) who curse the Companions, to be disbelievers (Kuffar).


10) He held that the sinners amongst the Muslims are under the threat of Allah's punishment; that if He wishes He may Punish them or Forgive them; Contrary to the Khawarij. He would not declare a Muslim to be a disbeliever (Kafir) on account of his sins, nor would he exclude actions from Iman unlike the Murjia. Once he was asked about those who declare their belief in the five pillars of Islam, yet refuse to perform them; he said, in reply, they are disbelievers (Kuffar).


11) He believed in the miracles that occurred at the hands of the Awliya (pious Muslims) as a favour from Allah.


12) He believed that Abu Bakr is the best of the Companions, followed by Umar, then the six companions chosen by the latter as Ashab al-Shura (members of Shura council): Uthman, Ali, al-Zubair, Talha, ‘Abd al-Rahman b. ‘Awf and Sa’d b. Abi Waqqas; followed by the fighters of Badr from the Emigrants (Muhajirin) and then the Helpers (Ansar).


13) He prohibited discussions on the differences between the Companions or dislike of any of them; for the honour of Companionship with the Prophet – SallAllahu ‘alaihi wa-sallam – is sufficient a virtue to rank them higher than the entire Muslim Ummah until the end of time.


More than that this is only Ibn Hanbal's understanding, theres 3 other schools that contradict his view of Allah. But I already made my point "he thinks Allah is high above and distinnct from his creations"

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

" I dont even know why you use islamic terms. It is more similar to the corrupted judaism : a divine religion for a divine race. "

whut could you say as the planets get further and further away?

ummmm.....this is the official definition
of whut qualifies one as a 5 percent.....
these are the bare minimum requirements
om about to list
1)one who's number one target group
to teach is the poor and righteous
or the ones who suffer from
the rich and snake like
2)one who does not believe the
rich bloodsucker of the poor
3)all wise
4)teach the living God is the black man of asia
5)teach freedom justice equality to all
the human family of the planet earth

You totally ignored the black man white devil stuff how politically correct you became !

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

so eye don't really deal with any divine
chosen people and at the end of the day
eye can fall back into the position
that that guy in the white robe who rolled
up on Muhammad and his people
was a human and his name is Jahbreel

the people whom Allah sent
his Prophets and Messengers to
are the "chosen people"

it has nothing to do with race

and furthermore the "chosen people"
are not superior to any man woman
mosquito, ant, wu tang killer bee
a camel on mars
or anything else

"Nor would he instruct you to take angels and prophets for Lords and patrons. What! would he bid you to unbelief after ye have bowed your will" (Quran 3:80)

"Such as fear not the meeting with Us (for Judgment) say: "Why are not the angels sent down to us, or (why) do we not see our Lord?" Indeed they have an arrogant conceit of themselves, and mighty is the insolence of their impiety!" (Quran 25:21)

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

thats your cultural interpertation of it

the verses that preceed it are setting
a description of the last days
and then it says Messengers(plural)
are made
to reach their appointed time

whut is a Messengers appointed time????

thats when they begin their mission

This is my interpretatin and every arab speaking person on earth. All the scholars agree that the verb "Iqtattat" (arrusulu iqtattat) means gathered.

Ibn Kathir : قال العوفي عن ابن عباس جمعت . وقال ابن زيد وهذه كقوله تعالى " يوم يجمع الله الرسل " (gathered for the day of jugement)

Al Tabari : يقول تعالى ذكره : وإذا الرسل أجلت للاجتماع لوقتها يوم القيامة . (gathered for the day of jugement)

Al Kortubi : أي جمعت لوقتها ليوم القيامة ,(gathered for the day of jugement).

You're not even twisting the original message you're twisting the english transnlation annd you are far from the truth. There will be no mission anymore the day of jugement.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

"Al Mahdi is not a messenger he's a human beign like me and you."

now you slippin

I'll quote Ibn Hanbal for this one (V1, Page 99) :
The Prophet (PBUH) said: "Allah will bring out from concealment al-Mahdi from my Family and just before the Day of Judgment; even if only one day were to remain in the life of the world, and he will spread on this earth justice and equity and will eradicate tyranny and oppression."

Where you see he is a prophet or an angel ?

Muhammad said:

The world will not come to an end until the Arabs are ruled by a man from my family whose name is the same as mine and whose father’s name is the same as my father’s.
— Sunan Abi Dawud, 11/370.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

owl let you off easy and just focus on
the fact you didn't mention
Isa(Jesus) ....its Mahdi and Jesus

Jesus is a prophet

whooooops

Islam recognises Jesus as the Messiah and he will be back (as we believe he hadnt been crucified) in the same time as Al Mahdi to kill the Antichrist. He will unite all the christians under the banner of islam.

The Prphet Muhhammad said : “A group of my people will not cease fighting for the Truth and will prevail till the Day of Resurrection. And Jesus son of Mary will descend and their (the Muslims’) leader will say, ‘Come and lead us in Prayer.’” (Saheeh Muslim)

also: “God will send the Messiah, son of Mary, who will descend at the white minaret on the eastern side of Damascus wearing two garments, lightly dyed with saffron, his hands resting on the wings of two Angels. When he lowers his head, beads of perspiration will fall from it, and when he raises it up, beads like pearls will scatter from it. Every non-believer who smells him will die, and his breath will reach as far as he is able to see.” (Saheeh Muslim)

“Certainly, the time of prayer shall come, and then Jesus, the son of Mary, will descend and will lead them in prayer. When sees he him, the enemy of God will [begin to] dissolve just as salt does in water.” (Saheeh Muslim)

“He (Jesus) will pursue the False Messiah until he captures him at the gates of Lydda and kills him.” (Saheeh Muslim)

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

have you given any sources yet
for your interpertations of the QUran?

Whether in english or in arabic I gave you the surats, you can use your eye and read them, it is not hard to understand and theres no hidden significance (unless YOU want to create it).

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

okay....from the very same translation you used above for 57:3

how does sura 4:34 look in that translation you used....

004.034 Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because God has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what God would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance): For God is Most High, Great (above you all).

BEAT THEM LIGHTLY?????



huh?

وَاضْرِبُوهُنَّ yes

As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance): For God is Most High, Great (above you all).

If your wife turn into a hoe you can beat her, nothing is more logical than this.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

"and submitted to god annd followed Muhammad. "

that could be debated

this is historical fact!!!

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

"there is no such a thing as son of god."

thats not whut the old testament says
nor the New testament.....we are all sons of God

sons of GOd was deleted much from
the old testament yet it stilll appears

corrupted my brother.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

"112:1 Say: He is God, the One and Only;
112:2 God, the Eternal, Absolute;
112:3 He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
112:4 And there is none like unto Him. "

hahahaa

In verse two, God is referred to as aß-ßamad. This word is the hapax legomenon of the Qur'an. Even today there is no agreement as to what the word means.[2] It is often translated as "Eternal" or "He to whom all depend," but this is not the lexical meaning of the word. By the time of al-Tabari (d. 923) the orthodox reading equated ßamad with mußmat, "solid, of even composition, massive, compact, or not hollow (i.e. without a stomach cavity)."[3] Al-Ash'ari (d. 935), in his Maqal§t al-Isl§mÊyÊn observed: "Many people say, 'He (God) is solid,' interpreting the word of God 'ßamad' to mean solid, i.e., not hollow."[4] The greatest of the Sahaba (Companions) and the Tabi'un (Successors) attached this meaning to the word: Ibn Abbas, al-Hasan, Sa'id b. Jubayr, Mujahid, ad-Dahhak, Sa'id b. al-Mausayyib, Ikrimah. The great men of the Salaf understood this word to mean that God is a massive, solid being, not hollow (i.e. without a stomach cavity).[5] God is thus a physical being.

Read m

as far as he beget not nor is he begotten

thats speaking of the unceen form of Allah

but it also speaks about the living GOd
too...but you not ready for that

I don't know what your source is but theres a Ijmaa about this word As Samad; He on Whom all depend.

You can copy/paste all the 5% theologists' understanding but you can't twist evevry thing especially the Quran and especially because you are using translations and you don't understand the words yu are trying to twist. This is useless.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

the Quran says

the likeness of Jesus with Allah is as the likeness of Adam.

wich means Jesus is made of the same material as Adam wich is mudd, this is more than obvious because people like you and like the christians thinks he is god.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

"So more than an identity problems, you seem to reject the arabic prophet because you racist and a paranoid who thinks : "

stop throwing those strawmen up

You truly are !

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

cee how eye threw that bullshit back in your face?

"LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL you really believe that ? So orthodox muslims whethehr thhey are white; black or sand hates black people ? lol this is so funny. You mean Ali Clay, Malclm X, Kareem Abduljabar, Shareed Abdurraheem, Freeway and Mike Tyson hate black people ? "

strawman

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

"Who's the elitist, the one who claim the Quran is a book for all mankind wich are equals or the one who claim a certain race is superior and godly and is the only one that'll be saved ?"

when did eye ever say any certain race
is superior and the only one that will be saved????

Dont start me quoting those you follow.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

yes your children get injected with pork
but someone else is gonna rot in the hell fire

PEACE

Paranoia!!!

[knowcheeze]

PEACE!!!!!!!

eye browsed through your reply

eye can cee this is the last reply
eye will have because you have backed
yourself into certain childish
and even devilish "positions" and
om satisfied with that

lets begin shall we...

"there are proofs that most of them are corrupted."

a sunni muslim talking about scripture corruption?

huh?

"It is Allah Will."

It is Allah's will(THe Quran's instructions
to Muslims)...but its made easy

don't knock people cuz they striving
for something that is more difficult

some people don't wanna be mediocre
and rightfully so!!!!!!

eye cannot lower my level of Islam
to please Arab Nationalists

"Dont quote someone who is contradicting what you advance :

1) He would believe in the description that Allah gave to himself in the Quran, or inspired the Prophet with, and affirm them at their face value (Dhahir), while generally negating any resemblance between the Creator and the creation."

eye too agree in the description Allah
gave to himself and his angels

with hands, eyes, feet....

and yes......the human being who is
sitting on the throne(Allah) is defineatly
not like his creation

mortal men will get sick around him

Muhammad thought he had lost his mind
and he only encountered Jah Breel!!!!

"He would vigorously reject negative theology (Ta’til), as well as allegorical exegesis (Ta’wil), with respect to belief in Allah, which was heavily employed by the Jahmites, Mu’tazilites and the Kullabites (later to be known as the Ash’arites) to justify their philosophical approach to God. "

yeah....right

"3) He believed that Allah Speaks with letters and sound, for he believed every word and letter of the Quran to be the word of Allah, contrary to the Kullabites, who, in their opposition to the Mu’tazilites, affirmed eternal Speech for Allah, yet still agreed with them in that they believed that the Quran, which is composed of letters, was created. "

yes the living Allah does speak with letters and sound

"4) He believed that Allah literally Hears and Sees; that He has two Hands with which He created Adam; that Allah has a Face "

say word

"5) He believed that Allah literally Rose over the Throne after Creating the heavens and the Earth in six days. "

remember you use that suspect
Quran translation so.....

its not six days

its SIX PERIODS!!!!!!

in fact you will find a 7 period
creation theory in many different
ancient civilizations

yes eye believe Allah creates in
7 periods.....LOL....or should
eye say he builds ...and destroys
with 7 periods.......

"6) He believed that Allah is High above and distinct from His creation "

yes eternal praises is due to Allah for
sending his messengers to the
chosen people

"7) He believed that Allah is all Knowing, All Wise, All Power and All Able, and that Allah has His own Will, He Does what He likes out of His Wisdom. Whatever Allah has Written and Decreed upon His creation, must come to pass. Nothing leaves His knowledge, or happens without His Permission or Will. "

agreed

"8) He believed that Allah becomes Pleased when obeyed and Displeased when disobeyed. "


oh yeah!!! you damn right

"9) He would regard the Jahmiyah (followers of al-Jahm ibn Safwan), and the Rafidha (the Imami Shias) who curse the Companions, to be disbelievers (Kuffar)."

as far as the Rafidha he said
if one REVILED the companions
he or she is not muslim

revile=to use abusive launguage

And my father (rahimahullaah) said, "The Hadeeth of Ibn Mas'ood (radiallahu anhu): When Allaah speaks, the Mighty and Majestic, His Voice is heard like the dragging of [iron] chains on rocks". My father said, "And the Jahmiyyah reject this".

yes Allah's voice is heard...you and Jahmiyyah reject this

"10) He held that the sinners amongst the Muslims are under the threat of Allah's punishment; that if He wishes He may Punish them or Forgive them; Contrary to the Khawarij. He would not declare a Muslim to be a disbeliever (Kafir) on account of his sins, nor would he exclude actions from Iman unlike the Murjia. Once he was asked about those who declare their belief in the five pillars of Islam, yet refuse to perform them; he said, in reply, they are disbelievers (Kuffar). "

agreed

"11) He believed in the miracles that occurred at the hands of the Awliya (pious Muslims) as a favour from Allah. "

yeah agreed!!!

"12) He believed that Abu Bakr is the best of the Companions, followed by Umar, then the six companions chosen by the latter as Ashab al-Shura (members of Shura council): Uthman, Ali, al-Zubair, Talha, ‘Abd al-Rahman b. ‘Awf and Sa’d b. Abi Waqqas; followed by the fighters of Badr from the Emigrants (Muhajirin) and then the Helpers (Ansar). "

okay

"13) He prohibited discussions on the differences between the Companions or dislike of any of them; for the honour of Companionship with the Prophet – SallAllahu ‘alaihi wa-sallam – is sufficient a virtue to rank them higher than the entire Muslim Ummah until the end of time."

okay

"You totally ignored the black man white devil stuff how politically correct you became ! "

ignored it?....the water in
the gulf of mexico got oil it in

eye can't ignore it

"Nor would he instruct you to take angels and prophets for Lords and patrons. What! would he bid you to unbelief after ye have bowed your will" (Quran 3:80)

"Such as fear not the meeting with Us (for Judgment) say: "Why are not the angels sent down to us, or (why) do we not see our Lord?" Indeed they have an arrogant conceit of themselves, and mighty is the insolence of their impiety!" (Quran 25:21)"


ok but....

6:7 And if We had sent down to thee a writing on paper, then they had touched it with their hands, those who disbelieve would have said: This is nothing but clear enchantment.
6:8 And they say: Why has not an angel been sent down to him? And if We send down an angel, the matter would be decided and then they would not be respited.
6 And if We had made him an angel, We would certainly have made him a man, and (thus) made confused to them what they confuse.

"This is my interpretatin and every arab speaking person on earth. All the scholars agree that the verb "Iqtattat" (arrusulu iqtattat) means gathered."

yes the "scholars" agree om sure

"Ibn Kathir : قال العوفي عن ابن عباس جمعت . وقال ابن زيد وهذه كقوله تعالى " يوم يجمع الله الرسل " (gathered for the day of jugement)

Al Tabari : يقول تعالى ذكره : وإذا الرسل أجلت للاجتماع لوقتها يوم القيامة . (gathered for the day of jugement)

Al Kortubi : أي جمعت لوقتها ليوم القيامة ,(gathered for the day of jugement)."

yeah defineatly gotta gather the messengers

eye agree

"You're not even twisting the original message you're twisting the english transnlation annd you are far from the truth. There will be no mission anymore the day of jugement."

uhhuh

"I'll quote Ibn Hanbal for this one (V1, Page 99) :
The Prophet (PBUH) said: "Allah will bring out from concealment al-Mahdi from my Family and just before the Day of Judgment; even if only one day were to remain in the life of the world, and he will spread on this earth justice and equity and will eradicate tyranny and oppression."

Where you see he is a prophet or an angel ? "

Muhammad is the last prophet

eye never said Mahdi was angel

"The world will not come to an end until the Arabs are ruled by a man from my family whose name is the same as mine and whose father’s name is the same as my father’s.
— Sunan Abi Dawud, 11/370."

eye couldn't agree more
concerning the Mahdi

""Al Mahdi is not a messenger he's a human beign like me and you."

now you slippin"

Muhammad said Jesus would return
in the last days...Jesus is a prophet

so thats a prophet in the last days
is it not?

"The Prphet Muhhammad said : “A group of my people will not cease fighting for the Truth and will prevail till the Day of Resurrection. And Jesus son of Mary will descend and their (the Muslims’) leader will say, ‘Come and lead us in Prayer.’” (Saheeh Muslim)"

also: “God will send the Messiah, son of Mary, who will descend at the white minaret on the eastern side of Damascus wearing two garments, lightly dyed with saffron, his hands resting on the wings of two Angels. When he lowers his head, beads of perspiration will fall from it, and when he raises it up, beads like pearls will scatter from it. Every non-believer who smells him will die, and his breath will reach as far as he is able to see.” (Saheeh Muslim)

“Certainly, the time of prayer shall come, and then Jesus, the son of Mary, will descend and will lead them in prayer. When sees he him, the enemy of God will [begin to] dissolve just as salt does in water.” (Saheeh Muslim)

“He (Jesus) will pursue the False Messiah until he captures him at the gates of Lydda and kills him.” (Saheeh Muslim)"

ok and????

"Whether in english or in arabic I gave you the surats, you can use your eye and read them, it is not hard to understand and theres no hidden significance (unless YOU want to create it)."

you are one to talk about creating

you deny verses in the Quran

and use flowery fairy tale words
to explain it


"As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance): For God is Most High, Great (above you all).

If your wife turn into a hoe you can beat her, nothing is more logical than this."

wow.....damn.....this is basically
the end of the little discussion

the mask is off of you

because you are mistranslating that

its not "beat"....its "chastize"

if you was a little more connected to
original african culture you would
INSTINCTIVELY know that
that shit is never okay
unless she is seriously hitting you

but now you got caught up in
some Arab nationalist shit that
says its okay to hit women!!!!

okay Mr. Wife Beater...put a fork in this one

"this is historical fact!!!"

There are different traditions concerning the effect these early Muslims had on the ruler of Axum. The Muslim tradition is that the ruler of Axum was so impressed by these refugees that he became a secret convert.[7] On the other hand, Arabic historians & Ethiopian tradition states that some of the Muslim refugees who lived in Ethiopia during this time converted to Orthodox Christianity. Worth mentioning is a second Ethiopian tradition that, on the death of Ashama ibn Abjar, Muhammed is reported to have prayed for the king's soul, and told his followers, "Leave the Abyssinians in peace, as long as they do not take the offensive.[8]

"corrupted my brother."

your showing your lack of knowledge
about pre QUran scripture dude

sons of God is whut was removed
the most

and Davids Psalms do say
Ye aRE GODS!!!!

deal with it

"I don't know what your source is but theres a Ijmaa about this word As Samad; He on Whom all depend."

highly debated word

"You can copy/paste all the 5% theologists' understanding but you can't twist evevry thing especially the Quran and especially because you are using translations and you don't understand the words yu are trying to twist. This is useless."

eye have to please Allah...not you or the Imam

"wich means Jesus is made of the same material as Adam wich is mudd, this is more than obvious because people like you and like the christians thinks he is god."

yes well it uses the term LIKENESS
the LIKENESS OF JESUS with ALLAH

"You truly are !"

you truly are a promoter of Arab domination

"Dont start me quoting those you follow."

please do......because you got nothing else

lets just say you backed yourself in a
corner looking really corny
wife beatin and all

so yeah this will really amuse me....

eye mean eye follow myself
eye don't follow anybody

but yeah quote those whom you think
eye follow

by the way...saving the babies from
pork injection which is hellish
and diabolical is not paranoia

PEACE

[Hellspawn]

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

lets begin shall we...

"there are proofs that most of them are corrupted."

a sunni muslim talking about scripture corruption?

huh?

I dare you to bring this non corrupted copies you talk about

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

"It is Allah Will."

It is Allah's will(THe Quran's instructions
to Muslims)...but its made easy

Already explained and made my point abouut this, it could have been any civilisation but god decided to show the ignorants like you that he can transform a couple of savage arabs like you say that live nowhere in the desert into one of the greatest civilisations and shake the world, even your ideology is copying all their terms, ideas, religion.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

don't knock people cuz they striving
for something that is more difficult

some people don't wanna be mediocre
and rightfully so!!!!!!

eye cannot lower my level of Islam
to please Arab Nationalists

0 relevance

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

"Dont quote someone who is contradicting what you advance :

1) He would believe in the description that Allah gave to himself in the Quran, or inspired the Prophet with, and affirm them at their face value (Dhahir), while generally negating any resemblance between the Creator and the creation."

eye too agree in the description Allah
gave to himself and his angels

with hands, eyes, feet....

and yes......the human being who is
sitting on the throne(Allah) is defineatly
not like his creation

mortal men will get sick around him

Muhammad thought he had lost his mind
and he only encountered Jah Breel!!!!

"He would vigorously reject negative theology (Ta’til), as well as allegorical exegesis (Ta’wil), with respect to belief in Allah, which was heavily employed by the Jahmites, Mu’tazilites and the Kullabites (later to be known as the Ash’arites) to justify their philosophical approach to God. "

yeah....right

"3) He believed that Allah Speaks with letters and sound, for he believed every word and letter of the Quran to be the word of Allah, contrary to the Kullabites, who, in their opposition to the Mu’tazilites, affirmed eternal Speech for Allah, yet still agreed with them in that they believed that the Quran, which is composed of letters, was created. "

yes the living Allah does speak with letters and sound

"4) He believed that Allah literally Hears and Sees; that He has two Hands with which He created Adam; that Allah has a Face "

say word

"5) He believed that Allah literally Rose over the Throne after Creating the heavens and the Earth in six days. "

remember you use that suspect
Quran translation so.....

its not six days

its SIX PERIODS!!!!!!

in fact you will find a 7 period
creation theory in many different
ancient civilizations

yes eye believe Allah creates in
7 periods.....LOL....or should
eye say he builds ...and destroys
with 7 periods.......

"6) He believed that Allah is High above and distinct from His creation "

yes eternal praises is due to Allah for
sending his messengers to the
chosen people

"7) He believed that Allah is all Knowing, All Wise, All Power and All Able, and that Allah has His own Will, He Does what He likes out of His Wisdom. Whatever Allah has Written and Decreed upon His creation, must come to pass. Nothing leaves His knowledge, or happens without His Permission or Will. "

agreed

"8) He believed that Allah becomes Pleased when obeyed and Displeased when disobeyed. "


oh yeah!!! you damn right

"9) He would regard the Jahmiyah (followers of al-Jahm ibn Safwan), and the Rafidha (the Imami Shias) who curse the Companions, to be disbelievers (Kuffar)."

as far as the Rafidha he said
if one REVILED the companions
he or she is not muslim

revile=to use abusive launguage

And my father (rahimahullaah) said, "The Hadeeth of Ibn Mas'ood (radiallahu anhu): When Allaah speaks, the Mighty and Majestic, His Voice is heard like the dragging of [iron] chains on rocks". My father said, "And the Jahmiyyah reject this".

yes Allah's voice is heard...you and Jahmiyyah reject this

"10) He held that the sinners amongst the Muslims are under the threat of Allah's punishment; that if He wishes He may Punish them or Forgive them; Contrary to the Khawarij. He would not declare a Muslim to be a disbeliever (Kafir) on account of his sins, nor would he exclude actions from Iman unlike the Murjia. Once he was asked about those who declare their belief in the five pillars of Islam, yet refuse to perform them; he said, in reply, they are disbelievers (Kuffar). "

agreed

"11) He believed in the miracles that occurred at the hands of the Awliya (pious Muslims) as a favour from Allah. "

yeah agreed!!!

"12) He believed that Abu Bakr is the best of the Companions, followed by Umar, then the six companions chosen by the latter as Ashab al-Shura (members of Shura council): Uthman, Ali, al-Zubair, Talha, ‘Abd al-Rahman b. ‘Awf and Sa’d b. Abi Waqqas; followed by the fighters of Badr from the Emigrants (Muhajirin) and then the Helpers (Ansar). "

okay

"13) He prohibited discussions on the differences between the Companions or dislike of any of them; for the honour of Companionship with the Prophet – SallAllahu ‘alaihi wa-sallam – is sufficient a virtue to rank them higher than the entire Muslim Ummah until the end of time."

okay

I knw you agree with him that's why I've quoted but my point is made ; black man and god are 2 distinct entities as this last one is High above and distinct from His creation.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

"You totally ignored the black man white devil stuff how politically correct you became ! "

ignored it?....the water in
the gulf of mexico got oil it in

eye can't ignore it

So you confirm the elitism of your ideology as you accuse arabs of elitism.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

"Nor would he instruct you to take angels and prophets for Lords and patrons. What! would he bid you to unbelief after ye have bowed your will" (Quran 3:80)

"Such as fear not the meeting with Us (for Judgment) say: "Why are not the angels sent down to us, or (why) do we not see our Lord?" Indeed they have an arrogant conceit of themselves, and mighty is the insolence of their impiety!" (Quran 25:21)"


ok but....

Jibreel is an angel not a man nor a god.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

6:7 And if We had sent down to thee a writing on paper, then they had touched it with their hands, those who disbelieve would have said: This is nothing but clear enchantment.
6:8 And they say: Why has not an angel been sent down to him? And if We send down an angel, the matter would be decided and then they would not be respited.
6 And if We had made him an angel, We would certainly have made him a man, and (thus) made confused to them what they confuse.

"This is my interpretatin and every arab speaking person on earth. All the scholars agree that the verb "Iqtattat" (arrusulu iqtattat) means gathered."

yes the "scholars" agree om sure

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

"Ibn Kathir : قال العوفي عن ابن عباس جمعت . وقال ابن زيد وهذه كقوله تعالى " يوم يجمع الله الرسل " (gathered for the day of jugement)

Al Tabari : يقول تعالى ذكره : وإذا الرسل أجلت للاجتماع لوقتها يوم القيامة . (gathered for the day of jugement)

Al Kortubi : أي جمعت لوقتها ليوم القيامة ,(gathered for the day of jugement)."

yeah defineatly gotta gather the messengers

eye agree

I made my point.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

"You're not even twisting the original message you're twisting the english transnlation annd you are far from the truth. There will be no mission anymore the day of jugement."

uhhuh

Of course uhhuh

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

"I'll quote Ibn Hanbal for this one (V1, Page 99) :
The Prophet (PBUH) said: "Allah will bring out from concealment al-Mahdi from my Family and just before the Day of Judgment; even if only one day were to remain in the life of the world, and he will spread on this earth justice and equity and will eradicate tyranny and oppression."

Where you see he is a prophet or an angel ? "

Muhammad is the last prophet

eye never said Mahdi was angel

Nor a prophet.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

"The world will not come to an end until the Arabs are ruled by a man from my family whose name is the same as mine and whose father’s name is the same as my father’s.
— Sunan Abi Dawud, 11/370."

eye couldn't agree more
concerning the Mahdi

""Al Mahdi is not a messenger he's a human beign like me and you."

now you slippin"

Muhammad said Jesus would return
in the last days...Jesus is a prophet

so thats a prophet in the last days
is it not?

"The Prphet Muhhammad said : “A group of my people will not cease fighting for the Truth and will prevail till the Day of Resurrection. And Jesus son of Mary will descend and their (the Muslims’) leader will say, ‘Come and lead us in Prayer.’” (Saheeh Muslim)"

also: “God will send the Messiah, son of Mary, who will descend at the white minaret on the eastern side of Damascus wearing two garments, lightly dyed with saffron, his hands resting on the wings of two Angels. When he lowers his head, beads of perspiration will fall from it, and when he raises it up, beads like pearls will scatter from it. Every non-believer who smells him will die, and his breath will reach as far as he is able to see.” (Saheeh Muslim)

“Certainly, the time of prayer shall come, and then Jesus, the son of Mary, will descend and will lead them in prayer. When sees he him, the enemy of God will [begin to] dissolve just as salt does in water.” (Saheeh Muslim)

“He (Jesus) will pursue the False Messiah until he captures him at the gates of Lydda and kills him.” (Saheeh Muslim)"

ok and????

You are confusing 2 terms that are very differents ; last days and judgement day. Jesus will descend back for the last days and the prophets will be gathered for the judgement day.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

"Whether in english or in arabic I gave you the surats, you can use your eye and read them, it is not hard to understand and theres no hidden significance (unless YOU want to create it)."

you are one to talk about creating

you deny verses in the Quran

and use flowery fairy tale words
to explain it

You are using arabic terms without having any arabic notions ?

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

"As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance): For God is Most High, Great (above you all).

If your wife turn into a hoe you can beat her, nothing is more logical than this."

wow.....damn.....this is basically
the end of the little discussion

the mask is off of you

because you are mistranslating that

its not "beat"....its "chastize"

if you was a little more connected to
original african culture you would
INSTINCTIVELY know that
that shit is never okay
unless she is seriously hitting you

but now you got caught up in
some Arab nationalist shit that
says its okay to hit women!!!!

okay Mr. Wife Beater...put a fork in this one

Call me what you want I aint here to please you.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

"this is historical fact!!!"

There are different traditions concerning the effect these early Muslims had on the ruler of Axum. The Muslim tradition is that the ruler of Axum was so impressed by these refugees that he became a secret convert.[7] On the other hand, Arabic historians & Ethiopian tradition states that some of the Muslim refugees who lived in Ethiopia during this time converted to Orthodox Christianity. Worth mentioning is a second Ethiopian tradition that, on the death of Ashama ibn Abjar, Muhammed is reported to have prayed for the king's soul, and told his followers, "Leave the Abyssinians in peace, as long as they do not take the offensive.[8]

Yeah different traditions...

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

"corrupted my brother."

your showing your lack of knowledge
about pre QUran scripture dude

sons of God is whut was removed
the most

and Davids Psalms do say
Ye aRE GODS!!!!

deal with it

Have you a single proof that this term have been removed ? Can you bring a single page from the thousands of copies of the Quran available on the net and in libraries ?

Older scriptures are corrupted, it is proven for the bible and the torah so what to say about the psaulms that are even older.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

"I don't know what your source is but theres a Ijmaa about this word As Samad; He on Whom all depend."

highly debated word

My original arabic against the twiwsting of your translation.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

"You can copy/paste all the 5% theologists' understanding but you can't twist evevry thing especially the Quran and especially because you are using translations and you don't understand the words yu are trying to twist. This is useless."

eye have to please Allah...not you or the Imam

Wich Allah? the arm leg leg arm head or the one high above?

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

"wich means Jesus is made of the same material as Adam wich is mudd, this is more than obvious because people like you and like the christians thinks he is god."

yes well it uses the term LIKENESS
the LIKENESS OF JESUS with ALLAH

Pathetic.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

"You truly are !"

you truly are a promoter of Arab domination

I speak about religion and you speak about race, you racist, it's pitiful.

Originally Posted by knowcheeze

"Dont start me quoting those you follow."

please do......because you got nothing else

According to the NOI/NGE creation story, six thousand years ago, in a civilisation of Black scientists, a corrupt eugenicist named Yacub began a selective breeding programme to engineer a race of colourless people who would ultimately enslave the Earth in a matrix of lies.

In the 20th Century, that empire was supposed to come crashing down, destroyed by an avenging Black military whose airforce included a gigantic bomber called the Mother Plane. Over time, that aircraft became known as the Mother Ship and was re-envisaged as an orbital vehicle of enormous destructive capacity.



Let me laugh

[diggy]

knowcheeze does bring some knowledge to the table.

About that verse about the women...he has it right that the word in question was mistranslated.

Real muslims know you should not beat them.

[Hellspawn]

Originally Posted by FMJ

knowcheeze does bring some knowledge to the table.

About that verse about the women...he has it right that the word in question was mistranslated.

Real muslims know you should not beat them.

It does not mean I beat my wife tho (just chastize her... LOL NO just kidding). I just gave him the translation and I dont support any wife beating.

And yeah it is the only knowledge he brang to the table.

[diggy]

About Arab Nationalism portrayed as Islaam and Hatred towards A.A. from Africans - he's right on with that too.

In the Quran, it is mentioned that Abraham is the best example to follow when wanting to follow Islaam - not Muhammed, but ABRAHAM.

Abraham was the person to describe the people as Muslims.

All this emulation of Muhammad is unjustified when Abraham is the best example.

[Hellspawn]

Originally Posted by FMJ

About Arab Nationalism portrayed as Islaam and Hatred towards A.A. from Africans - he's right on with that too.

In the Quran, it is mentioned that Abraham is the best example to follow when wanting to follow Islaam - not Muhammed, but ABRAHAM.

Abraham was the person to describe the people as Muslims.

All this emulation of Muhammad is unjustified when Abraham is the best example.

From where do you know that Abraham is the best example ? From the Quran, so you contradict yourself as the Quran says that Muhammad is the example to follow (if you say from the bible it says jesus and the torah Moses).

You trying to steal the man his religion and make it yours and take the credit from him at any price ! you are as pathetic as Knowshit.

[diggy]

The more I converse with you, hell, the more it is confirmed to me you do not really know Islaam as revealed through the Quran. What you do is parrot what was revealed to you by scholars and imams and people of that nature.

Indeed there has been an excellent example for you in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: “Verily, we are free from you and whatever you worship besides God, we have rejected you, and there has started between us and you, hostility and hatred forever, until you believe in God Alone.” (Quran 60:4)


I've presented my proof.

Now present your proof that Muhammed is the best example FROM THE QURAN.

Let me tell you ahead of time that it is not there.