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Old 10-21-2010, 08:35 PM   #1
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Old 10-21-2010, 08:58 PM   #2
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It was only a matter of time before the advocates of intelligent design attempted to game google search results and outright lie and twist Darwin's words.

That's kind of an embarrassing technique or fall back when one can't engage in a rational debate.
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Lol, this is brilliant. Repped.
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Old 10-23-2010, 07:01 AM   #4
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sounds like a bunch of atheist butthurt groaning.
intelligent design vs atheist debates remind me of US rep vs dem debates.

as an "academic" he should be ashamed to even present his complexity rebuttal.

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Old 10-23-2010, 07:18 AM   #5
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sounds like a bunch of atheist butthurt groaning.

intelligent design vs atheist debates remind me of US rep vs dem debates.

as an "academic" he should be ashamed to even present his complexity rebuttal.
To some extent I agree with this. The debate itself is essentially circular and never goes anywhere.

However, I think people like this guy are important and need to be vigilant given the consequences of not confronting organizations like the Discovery Institute, given what they are pushing for.

The only reason academics go out of their way to argue against people who's understanding of biology is on a preschool level (this is somewhat of a generalisation), is because they feel their own life is negatively impacted by the actions of a vocal fundamentalist few (or many).

That, and they like inflating their egos/enjoy ridiculing imbeciles.
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before Darwin, there was nothing
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Old 10-24-2010, 11:37 AM   #7
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To some extent I agree with this. The debate itself is essentially circular and never goes anywhere.

However, I think people like this guy are important and need to be vigilant given the consequences of not confronting organizations like the Discovery Institute, given what they are pushing for.

The only reason academics go out of their way to argue against people who's understanding of biology is on a preschool level (this is somewhat of a generalisation), is because they feel their own life is negatively impacted by the actions of a vocal fundamentalist few (or many).

That, and they like inflating their egos/enjoy ridiculing imbeciles.
what kind of negative impact? i cant see it being negative on either side. science is still moving forward, religion is still moving backward. IMO nobody is holding anyone back.
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what kind of negative impact? i cant see it being negative on either side. science is still moving forward, religion is still moving backward. IMO nobody is holding anyone back.
Yes, but scientific research and education relies on funding from institutions and the public. In places where ignorance prevails, schools teach bollocks "science" and real science doesn't get the funding it needs to move forward, or else money is wasted on bogus agenda-driven "research" (like people trying to find Noah's Ark and shit like that). That's why academics bother to debate people like that. And, probably, to boost their own egos.

(But in the process, it helps make the demagogues look like fools, and we all know people are more afraid of looking foolish than educating themselves. If you can knock an idiot out of the running for being a trustworthy source of public information, I say you've done the world a favor).
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what kind of negative impact? i cant see it being negative on either side. science is still moving forward, religion is still moving backward. IMO nobody is holding anyone back.
Don't act like the fundamentalist christian right doesn't have a profound (or potential, depending on how you look at it) negative impact on science teaching/research in the USA.
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Old 10-25-2010, 10:49 AM   #10
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the fundrightxtains make alot of noise but don't have much say when it comes to progress in the milindustrial complex or big pharma or agrabiz or any other money making institution
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Old 10-28-2010, 05:07 PM   #11
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The universe was intelligently designed. What sort of force would even cause matter to arrange itself in ever-more-complex fashion over trillions of years? Why would chaos organize itself? Divine design. God wrote the code for math, physics, science, etc. Just because a few people figure out some of God's building blocks they want to think that THEY are GOD and that GOD doesn't exist anymore. What a bunch of bullocks. Science is good but when you become so fascinated with science that you forget your creator, you've pissed everything away.
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The universe was intelligently designed. What sort of force would even cause matter to arrange itself in ever-more-complex fashion over trillions of years? Why would chaos organize itself? Divine design. God wrote the code for math, physics, science, etc. Just because a few people figure out some of God's building blocks they want to think that THEY are GOD and that GOD doesn't exist anymore. What a bunch of bullocks. Science is good but when you become so fascinated with science that you forget your creator, you've pissed everything away.

nah son. its called a lucky break.
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The universe was intelligently designed. What sort of force would even cause matter to arrange itself in ever-more-complex fashion over trillions of years? Why would chaos organize itself? Divine design. God wrote the code for math, physics, science, etc. Just because a few people figure out some of God's building blocks they want to think that THEY are GOD and that GOD doesn't exist anymore. What a bunch of bullocks. Science is good but when you become so fascinated with science that you forget your creator, you've pissed everything away.
The universe is expanding and will continue to do so, until there is almost an immense sparse blackness. Entropy is increasing. The time frame in which we live with this kind of complexity, is puny compared to the relative nothingness on either side. What kind of design is that?
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many entropy theories are ignorant of darkmatterenergy.

we may just be witnessing a very looooooong cycke between the two realms.
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Nobody knows shit. Not on either end of the debate. Everyone's pissing on each other in the dark.
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