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Old 12-26-2010, 04:19 PM   #61
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he prohibition of the pork was mentioned in the Holy Qur'an's verses in four points. ALLAH (Glory is to him) says :
(He hath only forbidden you dead meat, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and that on which any other name hath been invoked besides that of Allah. But if one is forced by necessity, without wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits - then is he guiltless. For Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful) (The Cow's Chapter ...verse no: 173)
(Forbidden to you (your food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on wish hath been invoked the name of other than Allah; that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; than which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety. This day have those who reject Faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed my favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful).(The table's Chapter...verse no: 3)

but

The prohibition of Pork was said by Moses to the Israelites 4000 years before your Quran was written.

So its saying this after the Bible has already said it. Thats no miracle. Is it plagiarism?
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Old 12-26-2010, 04:22 PM   #62
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Muslims claim Muhammad is descended from Ismael the son of Abraham right?

Why isnt that so called fact mentiioned in the Quran that came directly from Allah, but its in the Hadith which came 200 years later?
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Old 12-26-2010, 04:24 PM   #63
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1- Who makes foetus laugh and weep ?


In a very significant verse in surat Al-Najm Allah says about him self: "And that He it is who maketh laugh, and maketh weep," (Quran 53:43)

This verse contains a very nice scientific indication about the lately-discovered fact that foetus has facial expressions while he is in his mother's womb, without being taught to do so.

Im sorry. But number 1 that is not a miracle but natural body movements in the womb. Babies grab their feet, suck their thumbs, etc... Thats not a miracle.
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Old 12-26-2010, 04:26 PM   #64
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What the Quran says:

Telling of the seven layers of the Heavens and the Earth, God says in the Holy Quran:

1- He (Allah) Who created the seven heavens one above the other ? [Al Mulk: 3]

2- Allah is He Who created seven heavens and the earth the like of them ? [ Al Talaaq: 12]

The first verse is talking about two characteristics of the heavens; their number, that is seven, and the arrangement of them (one above the other) or 'in layers'. The second verse asserts the similarity between the Earth and the heavens (And the Earth the like of them), so as the heavens consist of seven layers, the earth identically consists of seven layers.
Let's ponder on (one above the other). It denotes the layering of the Earth, and this is what today's scientists discovered. Now we can see that the Quran had determined the structure of the Earth, which is in layers, and had also determined the number of these layers, that is seven. In other words, the Quran had given a precise description of the earth's interior, thus it preceded the scientists of the twenty-first century by fourteen centuries in proving this fact. Isn't this a splendid miracle of the Quran?



Its a scientific fact that the earth has 5 layers. No one has ever said there was 3.

The crust, the outer mantle, the inner mantle, the outer core, and the inner core.
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Old 12-26-2010, 04:27 PM   #65
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how does Allah sending down Iron considered a miracle?



And We sent down iron in which there lies great force and which has many uses for mankind.... (Surat al-Hadid: 25)

The word "sent down" particularly used for iron in the verse, could be thought of having a metaphorical meaning to explain that iron is given to the service of people. But when we take into consideration the literal meaning of the word, which is, "being physically sent down from the sky", we realize that this verse implies a very significant scientific miracle.

Me- Iron is predominantly mined as Hematite (Fe2O3), with some production coming from Magnetite (Fe3O4)

When the earth formed, there was no oxygen in the atmosphere, and under these conditions Iron is can be easily dissolved in water, so the oceans were rich in iron. Around 2000 million years ago, photosynthesis evolved and began to produced oxygen. This reacted with the iron dissolved in the oceans, causing crystals of iron oxide to form and sink to the seafloor. Over time, these layers of iron oxides were compressed and added to the continents. These deposits are known as banded iron formations, and account for the vast majority of all iron reserves on earth.

Iron is mentioned in the Bible in Genesis 4:22, 4000 Years before the Quran was written
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Old 01-17-2011, 10:58 AM   #67
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Old 01-17-2011, 11:09 AM   #68
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Old 01-17-2011, 11:12 AM   #69
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why the fuck are you spamming threads?? no one is reading all them bullshit paragraphs of non-sense you are posting. and yes everyone else does not give a fuck to post this but what I am posting in this post or reply is what everyone is thinking in their minds.
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why the fuck are you spamming threads?? no one is reading all them bullshit paragraphs of non-sense you are posting. and yes everyone else does not give a fuck to post this but what I am posting in this post or reply is what everyone is thinking in their minds.


first off, hellspawn say he was open to questions
so i pose them as well as pro. graveface.

im not spamming anything check the dates on the comments i my in this thread

also i dont come in your threads and try to dictate how you post dont try to dictate how i post

and there a reason sunny didnt answer your question about 9 ether
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@ Fatal Guillotine

This was about the differences between the Shia sect and Sunni Islam. Why are you trying to prove or disprove Mohammad in this thread?
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@ Fatal Guillotine

This was about the differences between the Shia sect and Sunni Islam. Why are you trying to prove or disprove Mohammad in this thread?

since the questions are mostly based on islam i chose to ask within this thread.
and these are common question that most posed to muslims...i think the people that viewd KTL will benefit from both my questions and hellspawns answers....no animosity whatsoever
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thanks

but to my understand the way you explain it is the way i believe Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) wanted

as far as the sufism question

i know about it but my knowledge may not be as vast as it should be

Sufism, the Religion of the Heart
The subject of Sufism has been interpreted in various ways in India , Arabia , and other Middle Eastern countries over hundreds of years. This subject is also found in numerous historical documents as well as in contemporary publications, and yet to the question, ‘what is Sufism?’ there seems to be no precise definition which could satisfy the curiosity of those who, in the disguise of seekers on the spiritual path, are searching only for the key to performing wonders.

Sufism is neither a religion nor a cult nor a sect, nor is it only from the East or from the West. Sufism, which means wisdom, has always been and shall always be an open door to Truth; the wise feel sympathy towards all beliefs, while at the same time avoiding speculation upon abstract concepts. Sufism believes in the Divine origin of every form of worship in which the unity of religious ideals is respected.

Sufism, which is without any religious obligations, regards spirituality as the religion of the heart. That religion is one wherein the unity of religious ideals is followed unconditionally in search of truth, without going astray in following the followers of the followers of the great religious reformers, whose messages have been altered beyond recognition through the centuries by those who confuse mysticism with fanaticism.

In Sufism there is no place for comparisons or preferences. All Messengers are regarded with the same respect and their messages are worshiped with the same veneration, knowing that Buddha was not a Buddhist, Christ was not a Christian, and Mohammed was not a Mohammedan. They were bringers of new impulses of the Divine Message, which the multitude uses as toys to play with, and impostors use for power games.

Sufism is an attitude of inner sympathy towards all beliefs. All religions are Sufi religions as long as they recognize the limits inherent in any speculative interpretation of Truth. One might say that Sufism is a process leading to the widening of the horizon of the heart, so that Truth may shine within as a brilliant sun, illuminating all that is receptive of its rays of light.

Through the ages there has been one religion after another, but each one came as a confirmation of the previous one. Now, in our century and with the development of science and communication, it has become clear that each religion had a special purpose to fulfil at a particular period of human evolution. For the wise, one can only be really attuned to any religion if one’s heart is open to all religious beliefs with the same love and understanding for each.

The word Sufi means wisdom, but that does not mean that when pursuing the Sufi path one is necessarily wise. Sufism is a test with which one is constantly confronted, when expected to show an example of how well one understands what spirituality truly is. Spirituality does not mean drifting away upon the clouds of illusion; it means having the feet firmly on the ground of reality, proving thereby, without pretence to have acquired discipline over the physical and mental energies. It is only then that one can possibly inspire others on the path where honesty in spirituality is the watchword.

A Sufi is a religious soul whose nature is to refuse to submit to imposed beliefs, and who is conscious that life is not necessarily just what one might think it to be, nor what one is told it to be. Life is not only lived at the level of physical experience, nor only at the level of thought, nor only at the level of feeling, but also, and most importantly, at a still higher level of consciousness, where the self is no more the barrier separating reality from illusion.

On the path of spirituality, one ventures to vanquish one’s own faults rather than to judge others, whose faults are not very different to one’s own. One tries to master one’s own feelings rather than misinterpreting those of others, and one treasures even the smallest sign of appreciation coming from those who are dependant upon one’s sympathy.

At this level of consciousness, there are neither limitations nor opposites, nor is there any relationship with pre-conceived ideas, such as those expressed in all dogmatic religious interpretations of Truth. When trying to explain God one only fashions an individual concept, limited to the size of ones thoughts.
With all due respect, a lot of this is a load of shite. Asking a non-Muslim to describe Sufism is like asking a virgin to describe sex. You havent even referenced where you got this from. Sufism in Islam is "IHSAN" which is a high level of God-Consciousness based on the Prophetic Hadith that Ihsan is to "pray as if you see Allah, and if not, know that he sees you". Real Muslim Sufis follow nothing but the Qur'an and Sunnah. They take on a Shaykh who has an unbroken chain of spiritual authority all the way back to the Prophet Muhammad. Although Muslims believe all Abrahamic faiths were from the Divine, their primary sources have now become corrupted. And yes, many Muslims have become corrupted, but the Qur'an remains as it has always been, and the Prophet Muhammad's life is the most documented in the history of men.

If you want to know about Islamic Sufism then buy the ancient manuscript "The Secret of Secrets" by Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jilani who was one of the biggest Sufi masters in Islamic history.

http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Secrets...5520934&sr=8-3

He followed the strict Hanbali school of Sunni Islamic law and never deviated from it, whilst his spiritual rank was beyond comprehension. In the book he divides Sufis into two main groups. One group are the People of The Sunnah, those on the right way and those who are on the path of nearness to Allah (Glorified be He). The rest are heretics and innovators. Sorry but this is the reality.

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