USA National Debt Debate

[Dokuro]

sadly that is the case but there are people out they that really wan't a job and i wish i had room to give them one but the further are deficit drops the more cut backs i have to make

and in order to fix the deficit we need to remove this cuts witch ah proven effective in the passed

and i'm not really being over taxed when you make as much as i do you see that you can easily to give afford more i believe i already explained this to you

% are across the board, that how % work your still losing that amount out of your income weather you make 11,000 or 250,000 your still loosing 24% of it


i have actually talk to my lawyer about starting up a charity to give money to the deficit but thats illegal

we need to do something or every thing funded by taxes will just stop

and thanks to are deficit we will be like that for 6 years and completely open to every one

if you rally love america you would tax the fuck out of the rich





luckily for me it doesn't matter because like most of us upper income we are dual citizens. i'm doing what i can to take advantage of the time and improve the econ as much as i can but once that shit hits the fan it's.... screw you guys i'm going to


i have an escape plain you should to if your eating that shit that the corporations are feeding you, because i know they do -coff-coof... outsourcing

[Dokuro]

Originally Posted by Sense-A

Louis Cypher: The new Republican dominated house of representatives takes office on January 3rd, 2011. The Senate will still be dominated by Democrats 53-47. If, in 2011, we experience REDUCED year over year federal spending and INCREASED federal revenue, will you admit that the tax policy worked and that the Republicans were right? And if the spending increases and revenue is reduced, I will admit that I was wrong and you were right. Do you accept this?

We will revisit in one year and retrospectively acknowledge who was right. I look forward to that day.

ya sound fair i mean after all i was right about Obama being a da-kun

[Dokuro]

from are brother Zig over in gen chat
Endofamerica3.com


and from me

http://www.shikokubank.co.jp/

[CEITEDMOFO]

Originally Posted by Sense-A

How about you learn how to write correct sentences and use proper grammar and then we'll move on to talk about the USA tax codes. There is no use in talking about a complicated subject to people who read and write at a fourth grade level. You wouldn't understand anyways.

+ 1000 THIS COMMI LOUIS / GREAT LAME FAGGIT IS A INSUFFERABLE IDIOT/COCKSUCKER

[Dokuro]

Originally Posted by CEITEDMOFO

+ 1000 THIS COMMI LOUIS / GREAT LAME FAGGIT IS A INSUFFERABLE IDIOT/COCKSUCKER

please
share your ideas this is a real debate no attacking individuals on character, only on point.
no one running for office here

[Sense-A]

I think I've posted this before. It is a simple analogy towards why an overly-progressive tax system does not work. It describes what happens when you go too far to the right on the x-axis of the Laffer curve.

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten
comes to $100.

If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like
this:

* The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
* The fifth would pay $1.
* The sixth would pay $3.
* The seventh would pay $7.
* The eighth would pay $12.
* The ninth would pay $18.
* The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that’s what they decided to do.

The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the
arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve.

‘Since you are all such good customers,’ he said, ‘I’m going to reduce the
cost of your daily beer by $20.’

‘Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.’

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the
first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what
about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the
$20 windfall so that everyone would get his ‘fair share?’

They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that
from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end
up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would
be fair to reduce each man’s bill by roughly the same amount, and he
proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

And so:
* The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
* The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
* The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
* The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 ( 25% savings).
* The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 ( 22% savings).
* The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to
drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare
their savings.

‘I only got a dollar out of the $20,’declared the sixth man. He pointed to
the tenth man,’but he got $10!’

‘Yeah, that’s right,’ exclaimed the fifth man. ‘I only Saved a dollar, too.

It’s unfair that he got ten times more than I!’

‘That’s true!!’ shouted the seventh man. ‘Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!’

‘Wait a minute,’ yelled the first four men in unison. ‘We didn’t get
anything at all. The system exploits the poor!’

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

For those who understand, no explanation is needed.

For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.

[Dokuro]

OK hear we go lest get the conversation back up I know sense-A was arguing over what all the politicians are arguing over. Weather or not to cut spending or raise taxis but I want to confirm to you I think we should do both. Lets take it back to 1930 we know now that it wasn't the war that got us out of great depression but it was because all Americans sacrificed for there county, poor and rich we were united not only in hate. (ahh.... glorious hate) do you all really need the history lesson

my point is we all gave what we could but
now people are going around saying make cuts over there as long as it doesn't effect me I'm cool with it well we all know the one shouting in the crowd is the one that can afford a blow-horn

so short of starting a WW3 which will get us out of paying china back
we all need to come together and realize the only way out of your fiscal predicament is is to sacrifice

or we can face the alternative and become a 3rd wold

I mean me and all the other rich folk have no stake in it, I bank in japan and I can afford to take my shit and go

end bush tax cuts

all citizens of America who own companies outside of America pay a 33% income tax rate

deregulation!!!!!!!

cuts on funding to (excluding Education)

!End the War!

cap on government pensions 20 years

no national crisis aid to other country (we are in crisis)

“even out the balance” no tax brakes based on income

remove currant crisis tax (Katrina/9:11)

increase income tax to 30%(bite me I'll be paying more then you)[but I love America so its cool]

10 year plane should get us back in the Blue


after we get back on our feet then we can work on

healthcare reform (the one reason why Canada doesn't exists)
and
education reform (I still want to increase High-school by 2 years as well as reforming curriculum)

but that's a different thread