to not believe in the God of scripture is.....illogical?

[Longbongcilvaringz]

I read today that roughly 40 percent of American's believe God created humans in his image and a further 35 odd percent believe that evolution happened but it was directed by a God.

In a country like this, how can you not expect this kind of desperation to prove something which cannot be proven (or disproven for that matter).

There are some very intelligent individuals who argue well against even the astutest atheists. But their strength is obfuscating the fact that there is no proof for believing in this concept/hypothesis. They rely on the argument that there is more proof for the existence of God than proof that God does not exist. Which is a completely different thing.

Originally Posted by Mumm Ra

i emailed the faggot too
i await a retort

haha, that's great.

Originally Posted by THE W

except im a christian who does not live in fear. why would i need to live in fear?

why do you you THINK i live in fear?

Why would a Christian live in fear? Life and death is nothing if you subscribe the Judeo-Christian concept of eternal existence.

[RAT NIPPLED REBEL]

rakim. i peeped ur kindle post.. i think u would really enjoy the work of this guy..

im not as versed in the greek classics as yourself.. soo

help me out ?

is he on point?? with the greek stuff..

http://www.youtube.com/user/mrastrotheology

[D.projectile]

Originally Posted by rakimkoolgrapwutang

a buddhist thinks its wrong to eat any animal.

incorrect

[D.projectile]

Originally Posted by rakimkoolgrapwutang

different species have different moralities which suit there existence.

.

instinct and morality aint da same

[Longbongcilvaringz]

How do you know morality isn't an instinct?

You're right, they're not the same thing, but how do you know instinct doesn't determine morality?

[D.projectile]

Originally Posted by Canibusfan420

How do you know morality isn't an instinct?

You're right, they're not the same thing, but how do you know instinct doesn't determine morality?

thats a good point.
afta finkin about it
i'd say instincts govern morality

perhaps thats why hypocrisy is purely human

[Longbongcilvaringz]

Originally Posted by rakimkoolgrapwutang

i watched some of the video but he was very boring so i stopped.

and then i went onto his website and realised he was a retard.

i said there was no such thing as absolute morality.

this can easily be explained by the fact that different species have different moralities which suit there existence.

a lion thinks its good to eat his prey.

a buddhist thinks its wrong to eat any animal.

however the website started rambling on about pedophiles without giving a well thought out argument.

it couldve mentioned kants categorical imperative but no it didnt.

truly retarded.

I don't know what your understanding of morality is but you use the word inappropriately a lot.

How can you possibly have read and understood Kant's Categorical Imperative without understanding what the word "morality" means? What on earth does the categorical imperative have to do with your concept of morality in animals? Kant always argued from the position that morality was uniquely human....

[rakimkoolgrapwutang]

i'll look into soul. i know a lot more about romans than greeks. i never studied greek. i can translate latin and i can scan the metre in latin poetry but i never looked into greek or roman astrology.

hes calling mercury his latin name throughout instead of his greek name hermes. mercury was the messenger god and a trickster god. hes referenced a lot in alchemy.

the zodiac system came from greco-roman astrology but ive heard that there were originally 13 zodiac signs but they changed it to 12 because christains like the number 12

[rakimkoolgrapwutang]

Originally Posted by Canibusfan420

I don't know what your understanding of morality is but you use the word inappropriately a lot.

How can you possibly have read and understood Kant's Categorical Imperative without understanding what the word "morality" means? What on earth does the categorical imperative have to do with your concept of morality in animals? Kant always argued from the position that morality was uniquely human....

was the categorical imperative not this.

"Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law without contradiction."

this could be tied into absolute morality. an absolute morality would contain maxims that could become a universal law without contradiction.

this is better reasoning than going on a rant about child molesters.

morality is the belief that there are good and wrong actions.

[rakimkoolgrapwutang]

Originally Posted by D.projectile

instinct and morality aint da same

instinct is an innate inclination/behaviour

morality is the belief that certain things/actions/ideas are good and that others are bad/evil

[rakimkoolgrapwutang]

Originally Posted by D.projectile

incorrect

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religi.../animals.shtml

buddhists believe in causing as little harm in the world as is possible. therefore being a vegetarian is deemed better than eating animals.

[Longbongcilvaringz]

Originally Posted by D.projectile

thats a good point.
afta finkin about it
i'd say instincts govern morality

perhaps thats why hypocrisy is purely human

It's tricky though, because the idea that humans have subverted or overcome instinct is often accepted as fact, but it's difficult to determine. It's true that we are aware of our instinct, which most likely separates us from other animals, but that could just be retroactive reasoning as a product of our relative intelligence.

The concept of morality might be purely a reinforcement mechanism, whereby actions positively contributing to the perpetuation of our species are good, with the opposite being true of unproductive behaviour.

This kind of stuff is a quagmire of confusion as far as i'm concerned. Which is why when people make absolutist claims relating to morality they need to be questioned.

[RAT NIPPLED REBEL]

Originally Posted by rakimkoolgrapwutang

i'll look into soul. i know a lot more about romans than greeks. i never studied greek. i can translate latin and i can scan the metre in latin poetry but i never looked into greek or roman astrology.

hes calling mercury his latin name throughout instead of his greek name hermes. mercury was the messenger god and a trickster god. hes referenced a lot in alchemy.

the zodiac system came from greco-roman astrology but ive heard that there were originally 13 zodiac signs but they changed it to 12 because christains like the number 12

he uses a lot of roman mythology too. yeah the 13th zodiac started with P, i cant recall its name atm.. thankyou bud

[rakimkoolgrapwutang]

u can easily see morality in animals. such as dog training. u teach ur dog what is good and what is bad.

[Longbongcilvaringz]

Originally Posted by rakimkoolgrapwutang

was the categorical imperative not this.

"Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law without contradiction."

this could be tied into absolute morality. an absolute morality would contain maxims that could become a universal law without contradiction.

this is better reasoning than going on a rant about child molesters.

morality is the belief that there are good and wrong actions.

I agree that enlightenment era philosophy trumps BC era philosophy... that should be a given (well, not in this forum obviously, but everywhere else).

And yes, the categorical imperative is absolutist.... and? What does it have to do with your point about morality extending to other species?

As you said, morality is a concept of "right" and "wrong".... how would you apply this to non human animal behaviour?