It's Coming... [Now With A Few Snips]

[DNasteee]

Just when I think this thread gets boring.....

[redz]

Originally Posted by redz

Hi

I rarely post on this site but felt compelled to post on here. I agree with the Sparrow character. I must say as Cilvaringz appears to take his craft and religion very seriously; and; has expereienced racism being a Morrocan - I am very disappointed in what I read from him. His experiences have obviously not broadened his understanding of the world.

I think most posters on here are really trying to trivialise an argument which I imagine they don't really understand. They may be doing this with the best intentions i.e to out a fire which could burn out of control on this message board. However the "genie has been let out of the bottle it is important that it is addressed approprately." I aim to do this with this post.

Posters seem to assume that there shoud be blanket policy in the use of the word. Either no one says it or everybody says it. This is not realistic and ironically does not reflect the true diversity of opinion and experience of many different people. To give an example, most posters on this site would not swear or cuss there grandparents using profanity. We understand the cultural context of the situation and would tone down their language. This is because we d not want to cause offence to them. A similar context is the workplace. Therefore we are well aware of the audience that is in front of us and tailor our behaviour accordingly.

The issue I have with Cilvarings is that the lack of understanding shown to a poster who had raised a concern to him. This poster like me is a fan of the music. OUr opinions count. The reason why he is able to use the word in "COmpton" is because the context is different. Hello most of us on here are European. Also it does not matter that he is from Morrocco. The usage of the word came via Afriacn Americans not Africans per se. Furthermore I understand that there are north Africans that may not consider themselves the same as Southern africans.

To summarise Cilvarings is in a position where he needs to understand that with his fame unfortunately comes responsibility. He may like some of the responsibilities but some of them he will inherit. This is something that other non african american rappers have grown to understand. My issue is that it is clear from the TONE Cilaringz posts that he does not appreaciate that someone may feel offended and almost suggests that the other person should get over it.

It is this point which will ultimately perpetuate racism because this in ironically shows alack of cultural and contextual understanding not the usage of the word itself. I am sure that if someone had misrepresented his national or religious beliefs in the same way then he would understand. This is meant to be criticism but constructive criticism. As a fan of Wu tang I respect the man's work in bringing us quality music. This criticism is stated with love and not disrespect.

So following on from my post ages ago, we have an individual showing blatant racism on this website. I wonder whether Cilva can see the point I was making before. And yes this issue is bigger than the album.

[theheavens]

Originally Posted by TheFunkyDrummer

Communist scum.

[Cilvaringz]

Stick to the subject please yall. No more back n forth bickering. Thank you

[zu fam]

yea isn't the point of a great ether is it only needs the once?

that said was'nt surprised at the photo's excatly like i thought that fag would look like LMFAO

[dapo]

cilva they need some music to listen to in order to stick to the main topic. is there any news?

[Cilvaringz]

Any news is Im down to the last song editing and Im highly considering taking THE WEEPING TIGER off as i cant find the loose files and I dont want to two-track it because the mix wont fit with the rest of the songs.

[zu fam]

IF that happens you gotta post it on here so we can see what it could of been like

[Cilvaringz]

Might use the Deck verse for something else

[zu fam]

save the planet

[TheFunkyDrummer]

I'd say just keep it on there if the quality is on par with the rest. Doesn't matter if the mix is a little off compared to other tracks. The Wu-Tang classics had the same, but no one says a thing about it since the quality is that good.

[Jin10304]

Naw keep Weeping Tiger on, that Rae verse is amazing & cant wait to see what Deck did on it.

[Cilvaringz]

Deck was very good but not like Rae. Rae was amazing on that. It be hard for anyone to touch Rae on there no matter who u are.

[GhostlyRaes]

lmao at the ether in this thread...and fuck dat racist cracka...anyways, it seems like wu is starting to pick up steem right now with priest droppin a classic and now ghost is up next couple months. I think that if the real wu album dont drop 4 the 20th anniversary than cilvas project could be a solid enuff replacement

[Jin10304]

I wasnt expecting Deck to meet Rae's energy on that track, I was just as happy to hear Raekwon spit like that in the first place, but Deck sounds better IMO on faster/agressive beats like Weeping Tiger