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Old 03-25-2013, 07:29 AM   #1
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Encroachment continues on Egypt's archaeological sites, Al-Bordan

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsCont...ogical-si.aspx

Egypt antiquities police and archeologists stop illegal construction at Al-Bordan archaeological site on Alexandria-Marsa Matrouh highway, yet damages completely destruct site




Nevine El-Aref , Saturday 23 Mar 2013










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Authorities foil encroachment on Egypt's Tel Al-Amarna archaeological site




Al-Hamam Antiquities Inspectorate has succeeded to remove encroachment on Al-Bordan archaeological site, located on Alexandria-Marsa Matrouh highway, in collaboration with Egypt’s tourism and antiquities police.
The site includes remains of Graeco-Roman fortresses, roads, temples and cemeteries.
The encroachment on the Al-Bordan archaeological site, located on kilometre 67 on Alexandria-Marsa Matrouh highway, started Friday when a large truck invaded the site with a construction bulldozer, which on its turn damaged a cluster of authentic structures that date back to the Graeco-Roman era, according to director of Marina Al-Alamein Antiquities Khaled Abul-Magd.
Abul-Magd accused Yasser Khalil, owner of a contractor company, and truck driver Mohamed Abdel Sattar of violating and damaging the archaeological site. The tourism and antiquities police arrested both accused, but they denied all charges. Both are in custody until the completion of investigations.
On Saturday, all encroachment has been removed, but the site is almost completely damaged.
Egypt has reportedly suffered from illegal urban and agricultural encroachment on archaeological sites.
Earlier in March, residents of neighbouring Al-Hagg Qandil village began cultivating the area around a collection of 18th-dynasty noblemen’s tombs at the ancient site of Tel Al-Amarna in the Upper Egyptian city of Minya, which was Egypt's capital during the reign of monotheistic pharaoh Akhenaton.
Minya’s archaeological inspectorate sent a report to both local police and the antiquities ministry.
The ministry ordered a halt to the encroachment and stepped up security in the area, while tourism and antiquities police were deployed nearby.
Dahshur, 30 km north of Giza plateau, was subjected to violation in January 2013. Residents of the neighbouring Dahshur village proceeded to construct a collection of modern cemeteries before the Black Pyramid of King Amenhotep II.
However, Dahshur residents halted construction of the structures after the antiquities ministry offered to provide them with land far from the archaeological site on which to build a cemetery.




The photos Saudi Arabia doesn't want seen – and proof Islam's most holy relics are being demolished in Mecca

The authorities in Saudi Arabia have begun dismantling some of the oldest sections of Islam’s most important mosque as part of a highly controversial multi-billion pound expansion.
Photographs obtained by The Independent reveal how workers with drills and mechanical diggers have started demolishing some Ottoman and Abbasid sections on the eastern side of the Masjid al-Haram in Mecca.
The building, which is also known as the Grand Mosque, is the holiest site in Islam because it contains the Kaaba – the point to which all Muslims face when praying. The columns are the last remaining sections of the mosque which date back more than a few hundred years and form the inner perimeter on the outskirts of the white marble floor surrounding the Kaaba.
The new photos, taken over the last few weeks, have caused alarm among archaeologists and come as Prince Charles – a long-term supporter of preserving architectural heritage – flew into Saudi Arabia yesterday for a visit with the Duchess of Cornwall. The timing of his tour has been criticised by human rights campaigners after the Saudis shot seven men in public earlier this week despite major concerns about their trial and the fact that some of the men were juveniles at the time of their alleged crimes.
Many of the Ottoman and Abbasid columns in Mecca were inscribed with intricate Arabic calligraphy marking the names of the Prophet Muhammad’s companions and key moments in his life. One column which is believed to have been ripped down is supposed to mark the spot where Muslims believe Muhammad began his heavenly journey on a winged horse, which took him to Jerusalem and heaven in a single night.
To accommodate the ever increasing number of pilgrims heading to the twin holy cities of Mecca and Medina each year the Saudi authorities have embarked upon a massive expansion project. Billions of pounds have been poured in to increase the capacity of the Masjid al-Haram and the Masjid an-Nabawi in Medina which marks where Muhammad is buried. King Abdullah has put the prominent Wahabi cleric and imam of the Grand Mosque, Abdul Rahman al-Sudais, in charge of the expansion while the Saudi Binladin Group – one of the country’s largest firms – has won the construction contract.
While there is little disagreement over the need to expand, critics have accused the Saudi regime of wantonly disregarding the archaeological, historical and cultural heritage of Islam’s two holiest cities. In the last decade Mecca has been transformed from a dusty desert pilgrimage town into a gleaming metropolis of skyscrapers that tower over the Masjid al-Haram and are filled with a myriad of shopping malls, luxury apartments and five star hotels.
But such a transformation has come at a cost. The Washington-based Gulf Institute estimates that 95 per cent of Mecca's millennium-old buildings have been demolished in the past two decades alone. Dozens of key historical sites dating back to the birth of Islam have already been lost and there is a scramble among archaeologists and academics to try and encourage the authorities to preserve what little remains.
Many senior Wahabis are vehemently against the preservation of historical Islamic sites that are linked to the prophet because they believe it encourages shirq – the sin of idol worshipping.
But Dr Irfan al-Alawi, executive director of the Islamic Heritage Research Foundation which obtained the new photographs from inside the Grand Mosque, says the removal of the Ottoman and Abbasid columns will leave future generations of Muslims ignorant of their significance.
“It matters because many of these columns signified certain areas of the mosque where the Prophet sat and prayed,” he said. “The historical record is being deleted. A new Muslim would never have a clue because there’s nothing marking these locations now. There are ways you could expand Mecca and Medina while protecting the historical heritage of the mosque itself and the surrounding sites.”
There are signs that King Abdullah has listened to concerns about the historical destruction of Mecca and Medina. Last October The Independent revealed how new plans for the masjid an-Nabawi in Medina would result in the destruction of three of the world’s oldest mosques on the west hand side of the main complex. However new plans approved by King Abdullah last week appear to show a change of heart with the bulk of the expansion now slated to take place to the north of the Masjid an-Nabawi.
However key sites are still at risk. The Independent has obtained a presentation used by the Saudis to illustrate how the expansion of Mecca’s main mosque will look. In one of the slides it is clear that the Bayt al-Mawlid, an area which is believed to be the house where Muhammad was born in, will have to be removed unless plans change.
The Independent asked the Saudi Embassy in London a number of questions about the expansion plans and why more was not being done to preserve key historical sites. They replied: “Thank you for calling, but no comment.”
Further reading
Mecca for the rich: Islam's holiest site 'turning into Vegas'
Why don't more Muslims speak out against the wanton destruction of Mecca's holy sites?
Medina: Saudis take a bulldozer to Islam's history




http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...a-8536968.html

^^ some crazy pics there...


why are they doing this? Thoughts?
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..because white men are pharaohshish.

Wait, is this a joke thread or not?
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destroying ancient sites is a joke?


you saying you own a car, then saying its your wifes// now thats a yoke
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Wait, is this a joke thread or not?
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destroying ancient sites is a joke?

Can you read ?
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can you comprehend?


i asked why are they doing this, kerzo replied is this a joke thread.


guess your on the same level as him,


enjoy teh jokes of these ancient sites being destroyed..

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i get it - you're just not good at the english language - and that's ok


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nice build, thanks.

i know better now than to post thought provoking articles in this section.


appreciate your clearing that up for me. (or not)
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destroying ancient sites is a joke?


you saying you own a car, then saying its your wifes// now thats a yoke
We're getting a brand new 2013 red ford fiesta this friday and only have to pay 120 quid a month and get to swap it in three years. It's still going to be in my wives name though just for your wu-corp records.

Sorry, I'm going off topic, so do you think they gon get a mcdonalds up in one of those areas? I think it would be a sorta good idea but the burgers might be a little dusty.
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is your wife choosing the car, or will you say that you chose it?
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How is Mecca a holy site? It is a pagan worship center.
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Pagan (living naturally)


i think you have the modern meaning of pagan, rather than the traditional meaning..


Most modern religions and their festivals are pagan in origin (original pagan meaning)

but how they are celebrated the original knowledge is lost..


Paganism, or living like pagans, is following nature..

Modern religions do not follow nature at all. (well they do, but they dont want to make it so obvious to the follower of teh religion)
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I meant, and wrote about it in another thread, that the Kaaba is not Islamic at all. Historically, it is said to be an ancient Hindu temple and actually has Hindu writing on it (if they did not remove it already). Hindu rites came into "traditional Islam" which has nothing to do with true Islaam. In the Quran, it is against Islaam to worship rocks like the "Muslims" do.

There is nothing natural about worshiping rocks, so using that definition of paganism does not apply here.
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Sorry my misunderstanding Diggy, I never knew it use to be a hindu temple, most true nothing natural about worshipping rocks.

can you links me to the thread please?

From what I've checked out about that rock/corner piece is, that is came from outer space? it has weird properties.. it was part of a meteorite that fell to earth.. no idea why that is the part they kiss...
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