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Old 03-31-2007, 12:03 PM   #46
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When to slowplay...

1. When you have the stone cold nuts. Your hand on the flop is either unbeatable or very unlikely to be beaten. If you flop four aces you can bet right out, but serously your opponent has to have something to call right? Not likely with a flop like that.

2. You know your opponent to be aggressive and checking will surely induce a bet.

3. You suspect that a player may be slowplaying you. This is the quagmire. If you bet they call and you get no info. You check and they check. These hands always lead to a disaster on the river. The reason I suggest slowplaying, is because you can save some money if you make a correct read and they DO have a monster. Sometimes this is the only way of avoiding a "cooler " hand.
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Old 03-31-2007, 01:18 PM   #47
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good topic beatuifulrock... im a poker enthusiast myself


slowplaying is indeed way over used by bad players

you can get sucked out on but also you risk a card coming that scares your opponent in not putting anymore money in the pot, even though he really liked his hand on the flop and woldve gone all the way with it
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Old 03-31-2007, 01:24 PM   #48
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also a good point^^^^

As well as scaring YOUR opponent, the cards that come can make the board a mess and scare you, making it hard for you to throw more money in the pot as well as making it easier for your opponent to bluff you later in the hand.

I can't reiterate enough the dangers of slowplaying, but like I said there is a time and place.
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Old 03-31-2007, 01:28 PM   #49
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what stakes do you play at rock?

i play $0.50 - $1 NL and sometimes dabble in the $1-$2 if the game is juicy..
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Old 03-31-2007, 01:38 PM   #50
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what stakes do you play at rock?

i play $0.50 - $1 NL and sometimes dabble in the $1-$2 if the game is juicy..
I play several different stakes, 1-2 at the casino and at a bar I go to. My home game right now is a .25-.50 cash game which is a really good level if you dont wanna burn more than $150 bucks and want to actually PLAY the game. Online I have played as little as .01-.02 no limit and as high as $2-$4 in both no limit and pl omaha. This is also a great level if you have over a grand online. The problem is at the bar and the casino, the buy in is capped at $100 which means at 50 big blinds you really don't have much room to play. It's pretty much shove in and pray poker, and I don't like that. If I really want to gamble I'll buy a powerball ticket. I don't wanna lose $100 on 1 hand with ace king.
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Old 03-31-2007, 02:44 PM   #51
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Today's tip- Always wait until it is your turn before you look at your cards. Many amateurs can't wait to see what they are dealt and immediately look at their cards the second they are dealt. This is a bad move. What you should be doing is taking the time as the cards are dealt to study your opponents and their reactions to the cards. Also it is a good idea to not give any necessary info away on your hand until it is your turn to play. Many will look at their cards and look either disinterested/very interested, giving away your intentions to previous bettors. The best time to look down at your cards is when it is your turn. While this may seem a very benign action, it WILL help your game in the long run.
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problem with that is that other players, that may not have looked at you earlier are now all looking at you.

i just dont look at my cards straight away , and then once everyone else has, i have a look. if you check them when its your term dont you think there is a greater chance of giving something away to your opponents? cause they will all be looking at you?
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Old 04-01-2007, 11:12 AM   #53
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I really don't think so, unless you are that bad at concealing your hand. Do you react to your cards? I don't. All I'm saying is you may affect a previous action in the hand by looking too early. When its my turn, I want them grilling me. I want them to try their best to read me. Because I plan to misdirect them the whole way. Remember there are (52 x 51)/2 = 1326 different hands you can start with. If you give away the strength of your hand simply by looking at your cards, well then you probably shouldn't be playing. Be aware of the tells of others as well as your own tells. Let's say you look at your cards early and see a hand like pocket kings. You inadvertently begin playing with your chips as the play comes around the table to you. An opponent sees this and instead of raising flat calls to wait for your action. You just lost money. You may not have meant it, but you did because of impatience.

"looking at your cards early is truly the sign of an amateur"
- The Real Deal - A book by poker pro Phil Gordon
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Old 04-01-2007, 11:17 AM   #54
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i mean i dont think i react to my cards, but any tell is unconcious anyway.

but i get your point about wanting everyones attention when you try to mislead them.
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i mean i dont think i react to my cards, but any tell is unconcious anyway.
ahhh False!, Any and all tells are not unconscious! Many pros and players alike such as myself give off what are called false tells. That is we have read Caro's book of tells, know what it looks like when they do or don't have a hand, and "act" the opposite way. This is a very cleaver deception especially when "set up" by previous hand. At the stage of the game you are at right now Sean, I highly highly recommend this book to you especially if you have interest in becoming a better player. It completely turned my live cash and tournament play around.
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what the book called?
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Old 04-01-2007, 12:42 PM   #57
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Caro's Book of Tells
by Mike "the mad genius" Caro

old book there have been several reprints. newer reprints even have internet tells.
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ok thanks, i'll check it out.
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Old 04-02-2007, 07:53 PM   #59
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Some thoughts on pot odds....

Pot odds are tough to explain, but a friend of mine said it best. He said that if the percentage to win the hand is greater than the percentage of money you contribute to a pot to make a call, you are making a correct mathematical call. While the percentage can be low, if you continue to make the same correct mathematical call throughout the course of your career the money in the pots you win will far outweigh the money you lose in pots you don't win.

Heres a simple example

the blinds are 1/2 you are in the bb, and someone goes all in for 4 total and the play folds around to you. you have A2. It costs you 2 to win a pot of 7. thats his bet 4 + your big blind 2 + small blind 1 =7 and to make the call it costs you 2. 7/2= 3.5 to 1 odds
this means if you are less than a 73%-27% underdog the call is a good one
with any ace it is pretty easy to call getting more than 2-1 odds.
you call
he shows KK
you are a 70%-%30 underdog about 3.3 to 1
If you infinitely ran ace 2 against kk for those pot odds, ace 2 would make money.

As far as tournaments go, If i am in the small blind and at least 2 people limp in front of me, there is no hand I can fold for a call of the blind. If 2 people call, I am getting 7 to 1 odds to call the blind. These are great odds even for 72.
As far as the big blind goes If someone minimum raises my blind I like to make them pay by calling with any hand to suck out as I am getting at least 3 to 1 odds to make the call.

Pot odds can be used in many situations but the most helpful times to use them is when you are trying to decide whether to call in the blinds or to make a call on a draw. There are times when you should ignore pot odds, and times when you can't.

One caveat about pot odds... Your shortstacked friends will hate you.
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