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Old 09-02-2007, 07:41 PM   #46
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the original sin is the lie


other than that

the worst sins are slander and punishing a innocent person

next is abusing / violating anything (rape, murder, slavery, etc.)
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the original sin is the lie


other than that

the worst sins are slander and punishing a innocent person

next is abusing / violating anything (rape, murder, slavery, etc.)
In the Book of Genesis, the original sin is disobeying God's orders to be an unquestioning sheep.
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Old 09-02-2007, 07:45 PM   #48
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books are only suggestions


what does the Book of Cthulhu say?
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the white man lying to us throughout history= greatest sin!!!!
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books are only suggestions


what does the Book of Cthulhu say?
If books are only suggestions, why bother believing in a concept that originated in the books of Western religious traditions? Isn't, then, the concept of sin itself a suggestion and not a fact?

There is no Book of Cthulhu. Cthulhu is a fictional character from the short stories of H. P. Lovecraft.
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i dony understand murder as a sin. if someone fights against you without cause and you remain free of sins i.e coveting,jealousy, evil cunning etc... if by defneding yourself against evil by murdering a man how can that be sinful if your righteous? why grieve over death when the souls of men are immortal?

the worst sin or where all sin derives from is desire
Self defense is usually not considered murder. The act of premeditated killing is what's condemned in almost all human societies, and backed up by their religious beliefs. Of course, there are plenty of exceptions to that rule. One of the most common justifications is that your God told you to kill or at least condoned it.
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the worst sin or where all sin derives from is desire
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If books are only suggestions, why bother believing in a concept that originated in the books of Western religious traditions? Isn't, then, the concept of sin itself a suggestion and not a fact?
of course it is a suggestion

so are all my posts

its up to the individual


and lets not get into the 'belief' vs 'knowledge' discussion in this thread


that would be a complete threadjack


best to start a new one instead

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There is no Book of Cthulhu. Cthulhu is a fictional character from the short stories of H. P. Lovecraft.
argh

no kidding


my post was my way of saying i am more interested in what you have to say than a reference to the book of genesis




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i dony understand murder as a sin. if someone fights against you without cause and you remain free of sins i.e coveting,jealousy, evil cunning etc... if by defneding yourself against evil by murdering a man how can that be sinful if your righteous? why grieve over death when the souls of men are immortal?

the worst sin or where all sin derives from is desire
murder is not a sin

murder with incorrect motive is a sin

rather - murder is a popular result of sin



yes - sin derives from desire

and if lying is a sin
then
perhaps the lie is the father of desire
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the worst sin or where all sin derives from is desire
blind desire
that may be the best reply in this whole thread. all of the so-called sins i've read about here can be traced back to a lack of understanding about the full consequences of one's instinctive actions...
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lack of full understanding can usually be traced back to a lie



its not 'instinctive' to do something for no reason

most 'sins' are when somebody acts based on flawed logic


lusting and coveting are the results of being brainwashed
they arent standard human behavior
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lack of full understanding can usually be traced back to a lie



its not 'instinctive' to do something for no reason

most 'sins' are when somebody acts based on flawed logic


lusting and coveting are the results of being brainwashed
they arent standard human behavior
huh?

deception is a method not a motivation.

lust stems from our innate desires to spread our seed... the idea that we're supposed to form lifetime bonds to one woman is given to us by our culture, not instincts.

when a child cries that his friend has nintendo and he wants one too that's not brainwashing, it's a brain function found in most higher social mammals that programs us to get what others have.
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Old 09-03-2007, 09:43 AM   #59
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Yeh , he's right.

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huh?

deception is a method not a motivation.
agreed

but telling a lie and animalistic 'deception' are 2 completely different things

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lust stems from our innate desires to spread our seed... the idea that we're supposed to form lifetime bonds to one woman is given to us by our culture, not instincts.
do eternal beings have a innate desire to spread a seed?

some people suggest that death is the price you pay for busting a nut

i agree with what you say about lifetime bonds
but
i disagree with the notion of 'innate desires'
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when a child cries that his friend has nintendo and he wants one too that's not brainwashing, it's a brain function found in most higher social mammals that programs us to get what others have.
actually
you touch on a few different things here

there is reason to believe that children dont really 'want' anything more than a experience

a child wants to experience playing a nintendo because it appears to be stimulating and can seem to be a life-enhancing benefit


which reduces your analogy to a question of whether it is standard for a person to want to do/feel better in their existence

to which the answer is yes

(but i see your point
clever marketing can make something appear that it will make life better even tho it doesnt
so this coveting is still based on a flawed perception
which has its roots in lies)
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