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Old 03-30-2011, 12:01 PM   #46
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Everybody is lacking fulfillment and total meaning. We wouldn't be here otherwise. On the other hand, it is actually impossible to truly see existence as totally meaningless. We make meaning no matter what, unless we are dead, in oblivion. What is constant in us is the aversion and fear to the sparseness or impersonality of significance. The fear, not the actuality (because it is near impossible).

And everybody does this in some way, in different degrees, from the religious, to the independently spiritual, the atheist, the humanist, the positivist, even the nihilist. Also, just because it is a symptom, it doesn't necessarily make it not true. Belief is art. Art is not true or untrue.

Personally, however, I think an outlook that doesn't involve some consideration of psychology or deep self skepticism, or an intellectual conscience, is in poor taste (as art), no matter what label is on it.

Great post Clan, its very similar to how i see things, but i have to differ on your first sentance,.I dont how others feel, but I feel like ive been waiting to be here, at this moment in time,. sometimes if feel i have been here before ( lucid dreams, feelins/knowing of a event happening;that could be down to, how my subconscious mind acts with my conscious mind and how well it relates what the vibration is,. ) I know that can sound like trying to give 'life' a purpose but im not, as i see everything as an expression of its higherself, we're just here,experiancing subjectivly.

But i generally feel, most of the worlds population is here, cos they are destined? / meant to be here.,. even if its as cannon fodder, for consciousness to experiance what it needs to.

art is perception, or perception is an art. lol

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Old 03-30-2011, 12:07 PM   #47
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Fuck, it's amazing how can you complicate your life for no reason. What's this "meaning" bullshit anyway? Eat, sleep, make money, make babies, that's what it is.
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i think its a common misconception by atheists that those who choose to believe in a creator are lacking fulfillment or meaning and therefore feel the need to believe in something greater than self.

The cheek of you saying that, the irony, it's too much.


2ndly, the illuminati and skygod (bearded man on cloud) are mutually exclusive concepts. this is mostly due the the belief that organized religion is under the control of the illuminati.
Yet people still bash one and adhere to the other.
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Old 03-31-2011, 12:16 AM   #49
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Fuck, it's amazing how can you complicate your life for no reason. What's this "meaning" bullshit anyway? Eat, sleep, make money, make babies, that's what it is.
that shit is boring if that's all it is
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Old 03-31-2011, 01:15 AM   #50
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Fuck, it's amazing how can you complicate your life for no reason. What's this "meaning" bullshit anyway? Eat, sleep, make money, make babies, that's what it is.

i truly believe the theory that most humans today are newly incarnated animal spirits. you can tell by their base emotion driven ideology. slim, you'll get it after a few times around the block. old souls like myself and others have already had a few goes to figure it out a bit.

robert, you need to get over it. in 2011, atheism is a failed idea. successful in the way it shattered the grip of organized religion. but falls terribly short in regards to even beginning to explain the nature and source of consciousness.


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Is the "illuminati" evil because they control,..
Is control the basis for evil? Interesting, as many of the negative traits amongst people maybe even you or me, come out of our desire to control our environment.. Theres even a term for people like this.. "control freaks".

I see control as a way of 'managing' the fear of not knowing the outcome, essentially stemming from fear. If its true at the illuminati level, it also appears to be true at the individual level. Does that make us all part of the illuminati?
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Could you please explain how you would define the "traditional scientific method" and how the observer is left out of the observation.
The Oxford English Dictionary says that scientific method is: "a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses."

How is the observer left out of the observation?

By not asking.."how am I (the observer) effecting the observed experiment by being the observer"

An easy example would be.. if you were observing a conversation and interaction between two people, the fact that you are there observing has an effect on their conversation and interaction. The results of their conversation would be different if you were not present.
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i truly believe the theory that most humans today are newly incarnated animal spirits. you can tell by their base emotion driven ideology. slim, you'll get it after a few times around the block. old souls like myself and others have already had a few goes to figure it out a bit.

robert, you need to get over it. in 2011, atheism is a failed idea. successful in the way it shattered the grip of organized religion. but falls terribly short in regards to even beginning to explain the nature and source of consciousness.

Humans are animals. We came from animals. People act like animals because they are. The difference is humans can affirm, reflect, champion, suppress, spiritualize etc. their emotional core.

Atheism is simply a lack of belief. Not the lack of a possibility of the divine. As long as atheism remains inquisitive and honest with its own principles (thats is science), it will understand its own problems. It isn't the same approach as mystic lets say, but its an approach. You assume as well, that is done the process of inquisition. Don't be so impatient. I think scientific discoveries will continue to point to what you speak of. It will take longer, but it will be able 'to show its work' so to speak.

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robert, you need to get over it. in 2011, atheism is a failed idea. successful in the way it shattered the grip of organized religion. but falls terribly short in regards to even beginning to explain the nature and source of consciousness.


Atheism doesn't even try to explain the nature and source of consciousness so I don't understand how it can "fall short". Your criticism is misguided to say the least.
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Atheism is simply a lack of belief. Not the lack of a possibility of the divine.
*shaking my head*

confusing atheism and agnoticism is a newbie's mistake.

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 /ˈeɪθiˌɪzəm/ Show Spelled[ey-thee-iz-uhm] Show IPA
–noun 1. the doctrine or belief that there is no god.

2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.



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agnostic (ćɡˈnɒstɪk) n 1. atheist Compare theist a person who holds that knowledge of a Supreme Being, ultimate cause, etc, is impossible 2. a person who claims, with respect to any particular question, that the answer cannot be known with certainty
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That is just pure semantics. That lines are, in reality, far more blurred than that.
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Atheism doesn't even try to explain the nature and source of consciousness so I don't understand how it can "fall short". Your criticism is misguided to say the least.

Doesn't try or can't?
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