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Old 07-30-2011, 01:58 AM   #1
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Growing scientific evidence has shown that Europeans controlled much of the world before being wiped out by "indigenous" groups.

For example it is increasingly believed that Northern Europeans were established in (at least) the Pacific Northwest of North America before the "Native Americans" came. It appears from the legends of these later peoples that they inflicted genocide upon them. They called them red haired giants and cannibals. Perhaps they were. It is quite possible that the Sasquatch and the Wendigo are cultural memories of this effort. The most conservative descriptions of the Sasquatch is of a tall (upwards of six feet with some legends saying as much as ten) hairy "wild man" with red hair. Now we had been thinking these were apes, but with growing evidence the Clovis people were if not European, closely related to them culturally, I hypothesize another possibility. The claims that they are Gigantopithecus are silly, there were no Apes in North America other than humans.

So what we have are tall European looking skeletons in North America. We have legends of ancient I guess I would say "Asiatics" crossing over here and wiping out the tall read headed cannibals that lived here. I by no means wish to paint the Native Americans as savages or in some way try to justify the atrocities that were inflicted by Europeans on the people living on this continent. Two wrongs do not make a right (assuming this stuff pans out) and the treatment of the Native Americans was immoral by the pre-Christian cultural standards of Europeans.

So when did this happen? From 13-9,000 years ago. Ie. these guys were hunting the Mammoths and the Bison and horses. In fact at this time the Plains of America were similar to the Savannas of Africa with elephants and Buffalo and wild horses (like Zebras) that actually evolved here and were wiped out.

Similar evidence has appeared with mummified Indo-European peoples in China with blond hair, Nordic features, and Ancient European clothing styles something like four thousand years ago. These were not nomadic peoples but agrarian peoples with advanced clothing, leather working, and metallurgy. Who tamed livestock and worked the fields and traded with people from all over the place. They were horse archers with rather advanced bows, and may have been the cultural predecessors of the famed Hunnic, Magyar and Mongol war machines.

So I'm not shifting guilt to the Natives in some sort of justification for the abuses inflicted, although I am offering the possibility that Northern Europeans have a right to live here just like everyone else and that we aren't the enemy (not all of us anyway.) Columbus wasn't the first white guy here. Sinclair wasn't the first white guy here. Ericson wasn't the first white guy here. We're talking way back. We're talking the people who inspired Quetzalcoatl back (who you might want to know was also a "white skinned giant"), the ancient white man (who as we know was part Neanderthal) who may have trekked from Germany across the Siberian Steppes, across the Bering straight, to North America.

It's at least a remarkable theory and I just thought I'd like to discuss something positive. Hopefully the better we understand our history and our ancestry the better we will learn to accept each other now. As Steven McNallen the "pope" of pre-Christian European religion in America said "We're all indigenous to somewhere." We have a duty to find the truth regardless of politics. The idea that whitey was here first may seem too convenient and I understand that, but we need to be open to history and let science do it's job. Presumably I'm not a descendant from the supposed white culture indigenous to North America seeing as they allegedly were the subject of ethnic cleansing (although there is some European Haploid X genetics in the modern Natives not present in the Asian groups which they allegedly descend from.) but don't blame me for your woes, my ancestors came here poor and starving Catholics from Ulster Ireland and oppressed Russia and Hungarian Jews by Imperialists and we made something of ourselves although we aren't millionaires or billionaires we have as much a right to this land as you.

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Old 07-30-2011, 02:41 AM   #2
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Old 07-30-2011, 04:56 AM   #3
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There. Make a thread about something that doesn't fit into original black man/white devil/yakub paradigm and you'll have such an answer.

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there is a lot of evidence, although all of it falls apart with the theory of Pre-iron age world trade. You would have things like wealthy traders being mummified in Asia, Chinese coins in Babylonia, Egyptian artifacts in Scandinavia, Asian artifacts in America and similar story's and mythologies; All of witch have have been found. Looks like Immanuel Velikovsky was right again, that 8/12 the others waiting to be proven. why is this man still fringe science. oh well once we test soil from both Venus and Jupiter and fins then identical then the'll have no choice.
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Well some of this stuff was stone age. Kennewick man was a Neolithic Clovis man (which may be synonymous with Sauveterrian Man) and the Tarim Mummies were Hallstatt Celts.

Pre Iron Age trade does account for some things, but the Tarim Mummies appear to be the people who set up the silk roads which is kind of a big deal because they basically would have facilitated the East-West trade that led to the modern world.

But we still don't have enough evidence to write this in stone since in the case of Kennewick man his body was (it appears intentionally) tampered with by Native Americans who placed cedar in the box the remains were stored in which contaminated the remains with modern sap that would mess with carbon dating, removed parts of the skeleton which would help determine his height (parts of the legs) and "lost them" or even "accidentally buried them." Worst of all they handled the body introducing fresh DNA from their ethnicity which basically makes the old bones useless for DNA testing.

Smells like a conspiracy to me... Why doesn't the government (who was in charge of this) want there to be White people in North America 9,000 years ago? Or perhaps worse, how are these people so goddamn incompetent that they let anyone handle this stuff without the permission of the judge involved. The judge ended up finding that the skeleton was not necessarily Native American and handed it over to the scientists, but now it isn't worth nearly as much as it was. And the Army Corps of Engineers decided to rebuild that section of the river and dumped a ton of dirt and rock and plant matter into the area before more thorough excavations could happen.

It's basically a political cluster fuck of a simple scientific inquiry.
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the original aryan man? are we speaking of?

Quetzalcoatl from translations is. the man with long white beard,, which could also be translated as the serpent..

but no where does it mention giants :S
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Giants/Jiri are mentioned in ancient Gaelic lore witch predate Aztec and Mayan. and were spread world wide before any religion was put in place. they are suspected to be the neanderthals.

Quetzalcoatl is Aztec not Mayan. and no wee is it called man with a long beard, no were is it called a man. Quetzalcoatl is a mother goddess. the father is the corn. and it is a serpent, it does not translate to serpent. Quetzalcoatl translates to, "the Light of the stars."
Ometeotl is the Mayan equivalent. is both the mother and the father.
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the original aryan man? are we speaking of?

Quetzalcoatl from translations is. the man with long white beard,, which could also be translated as the serpent..

but no where does it mention giants :S
Oh I'm sure you're an expert in reading the illustrated codices of an unwritten language chief... Too bad Nahuatl isn't a written language...

If Quetzalcoatl wasn't a white man why did the Aztec's think Cortez (who was a white man with a beard certainly but not a white beard) was Quetzalcoatl?

Why did the Paiute drive a tribe of red haired cannibals into Lovelock cave and trap them in the cave with fire, killing them with smoke? There are bodies in the cave, it may have happened. They called them Si-Te-Cah. They were big and they had red hair. However their bodies were boiled to reduce them to skeletons which were used for rituals.

Why do Algonquins fear the Wendigo? Why do the Salish fear Sesquac or Sasquatch? The big stinky red haired wild man? The Lummi had the Ts'emekwes. The stiyaha or kwi-kwiyai or Skoocooms are all names for these legendary wild men.

Who were they? They weren't gorillas. They were men of an older breed.
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cos the aztec calenders said their god would return, the same year cortez turned up,.


ive seen a docu on lovelock cave,. im not denying that.. i dont know who them beasts are..

i simply asked.. are u on about the origina aryan man.. or some other 'white-man'
cos all white men, dont have red hair..
most nordic aryans do not share that feature, aswell as indo-aryans..
so i ask again.. are u on about the aryan as the original white man?


its not reading the translations myself, its going for researchers who excel in those fields, such as graham hancock,. childress,. marco wasi, danial russo, robert m schoch PHD, logan hawkes, and other archeologists,researchers/anthropologists..

it depends if u want the mainstream orthodox view, that has to has comply with modern history.. or.. somthing that tries to explain the unknown..

cos if they really spent their time/effort and money on these ancient cultures, they would realise that the wheel, pythag,granite cutting technology et all.. was used when we(modern history/science) has man crawling out of caves.. lulz..

i can link sick work.. you just gota take the time to knowledge it.
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There. Make a thread about something that doesn't fit into original black man/white devil/yakub paradigm and you'll have such an answer.
This is actually a decent discussion.
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cos the aztec calenders said their god would return, the same year cortez turned up,.


ive seen a docu on lovelock cave,. im not denying that.. i dont know who them beasts are..

i simply asked.. are u on about the origina aryan man.. or some other 'white-man'
cos all white men, dont have red hair..
most nordic aryans do not share that feature, aswell as indo-aryans..
so i ask again.. are u on about the aryan as the original white man?


its not reading the translations myself, its going for researchers who excel in those fields, such as graham hancock,. childress,. marco wasi, danial russo, robert m schoch PHD, logan hawkes, and other archeologists,researchers/anthropologists..

it depends if u want the mainstream orthodox view, that has to has comply with modern history.. or.. somthing that tries to explain the unknown..

cos if they really spent their time/effort and money on these ancient cultures, they would realise that the wheel, pythag,granite cutting technology et all.. was used when we(modern history/science) has man crawling out of caves.. lulz..

i can link sick work.. you just gota take the time to knowledge it.
I mean white people as in ice age pre celtic Indo Europeans. Yeah some people were still living in caves, but only because it was realistically a good place to live. I mean the first houses were build into the ground anyhow to make use of the earth as insulation. Cave dwelling gets a bad rep, but realistically its a smart place to raise children. The people living in caves were roughly on par with the Native Americans and African tribesmen who ended up giving the Europeans a run for their money.

Aryan is a misleading term. Indo Iranians are certainly part of the larger Indo European group, but an Aryan is a tan dark haired dark eyed guy. Yeah they have blond and red headed people with blue and green eyes like every other "Caucasian" group, but hardly a large amount like you see in northern climes.

We've all seen red haired or green eyed Afghans. I think green eyes are one of the more striking characteristics of the near east. They aren't the majority but they're nice.
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agree
why build a house, when a cave is already there. you ever play survival sims? those that spend all day building shelter when there a cave right next to you is dumb.
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We will never know this truth because it doesn't matter.

What matters is that we are all in this fuckin cesspool of shit together now, and us being together now telling each other that - "Oh my race was here first before yours!" will cause animosities and conflicts of interest.

In reality, we are like a dogs all trying to find out who the wolf is among us....
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