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Old 03-07-2012, 12:48 AM   #1
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Everyone stop!

I do not doubt for a second that those involved in KONY 2012 have great intentions, nor do I doubt for a second that Joseph Kony is a very evil man. But despite this, I’m strongly opposed to the KONY 2012 campaign.

KONY 2012 is the product of a group called Invisible Children, a controversial activist group and not-for-profit. They’ve released 11 films, most with an accompanying bracelet colour (KONY 2012 is fittingly red), all of which focus on Joseph Kony. When we buy merch from them, when we link to their video, when we put up posters linking to their website, we support the organization. I don’t think that’s a good thing, and I’m not alone.

Invisible Children has been condemned time and time again. As a registered not-for-profit, its finances are public. Last year, the organization spent $8,676,614. Only 31% went to their charity program (page 6)*. This is far from ideal, and Charity Navigator rates their accountability 2/4 stars because they haven’t had their finances externally audited. But it goes way deeper than that.

The group is in favour of direct military intervention, and their money funds the Ugandan government’s army and various other military forces. Here’s a photo of the founders of Invisible Children posing with weapons and personnel of the Sudan People’s Liberation Army. Both the Ugandan army and Sudan People’s Liberation Army are riddled with accusations of rape and looting, but Invisible Children defends them, arguing that the Ugandan army is “better equipped than that of any of the other affected countries”, although Kony is no longer active in Uganda and hasn’t been since 2006 by their own admission.

Still, the bulk of Invisible Children’s spending isn’t on funding African militias, but on awareness and filmmaking. Which can be great, except that Foreign Affairs has claimed that Invisible Children (among others) “manipulates facts for strategic purposes, exaggerating the scale of LRA abductions and murders and emphasizing the LRA’s use of innocent children as soldiers, and portraying Kony — a brutal man, to be sure — as uniquely awful, a Kurtz-like embodiment of evil.” He’s certainly evil, but exaggeration and manipulation to capture the public eye is unproductive, unprofessional and dishonest.

As Christ Blattman, a political scientist at Yale, writes on the topic of IC’s programming, “There’s also something inherently misleading, naive, maybe even dangerous, about the idea of rescuing children or saving of Africa. […] It hints uncomfortably of the White Man’s Burden. Worse, sometimes it does more than hint. The savior attitude is pervasive in advocacy, and it inevitably shapes programming. Usually misconceived programming.”

Still, Kony’s a bad guy, and he’s been around a while. Which is why the US has been involved in stopping him for years. U.S. Africa Command (AFRICOM) has sent multiple missions to capture or kill Kony over the years. And they’ve failed time and time again, each provoking a ferocious response and increased retaliative slaughter. The issue with taking out a man who uses a child army is that his bodyguards are children. Any effort to capture or kill him will almost certainly result in many children’s deaths, an impact that needs to be minimized as much as possible. Each attempt brings more retaliation. And yet Invisible Children funds this military intervention. Kony has been involved in peace talks in the past, which have fallen through. But Invisible Children is now focusing on military intervention.

Military intervention may or may not be the right idea, but people supporting KONY 2012 probably don’t realize they’re helping fund the Ugandan military who are themselves raping and looting away. If people know this and still support Invisible Children because they feel it’s the best solution based on their knowledge and research, I have no issue with that. But I don’t think most people are in that position, and that’s a problem.

Is awareness good? Yes. But these problems are highly complex, not one-dimensional and, frankly, aren’t of the nature that can be solved by postering, film-making and changing your Facebook profile picture, as hard as that is to swallow. Giving your money and public support to Invisible Children so they can spend it on funding ill-advised violent intervention and movie #12 isn’t helping. Do I have a better answer? No, I don’t, but that doesn’t mean that you should support KONY 2012 just because it’s something. Something isn’t always better than nothing. Sometimes it’s worse.

If you want to write to your Member of Parliament or your Senator or the President or the Prime Minister, by all means, go ahead. If you want to post about Joseph Kony’s crimes on Facebook, go ahead. But let’s keep it about Joseph Kony, not KONY 2012.

~ Grant Oyston, visiblechildren@grantoyston.com

Grant Oyston is a sociology and political science student at Acadia University in Nova Scotia, Canada."


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This KONY 2012 youtube frenzy is US State Department propaganda. This is ALL about expanding AFRICOM. YOU ARE BEING MANIPULATED. 2012 scramble for Africa.
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African ping pong: US plays both sides in Uganda

By Richard Cottrell
Contributing writer for End the Lie
Joseph Kony, leader of the Lord's Resistance Army (LRA)

This is the New Scramble for Africa.
After Libya, horror stories are again the order of the day.
The Lord’s Resistance Army (LRA) rampaging around Uganda is nothing more than a US and Mossad-backed guerilla force.
Its task is to destabilize wide areas of Africa rich in minerals like Uganda, ex-French and Belgian Congo, and Sudan.
Joseph Kony, the self-appointed leader of the LRA, ex-choir boy, brilliantly flexible break dancer, the new US terrorist poster boy, has been on the CIA’s books for years.
The LRA’s mass abductions, industrial scale rape and pillage, and kidnapping of children who are turned into monster killers, bear every sign of a CIA MK-Ultra derived programmer to create robotic “no questions asked” terrorists.
Hundreds if not thousands of these ghastly indoctrinated children, trained to kill and maim without pity, have been sent north to stiffen anti-government guerilla forces in Sudan and Somalia.
Kony’s crazy claims that he wants Uganda ruled according to the Ten Commandments is simply pure theater.
He provides the perfect excuse to invade Uganda on the pretext of inciting another humanitarian mission.
Yoweri Museveni, the de facto dictator of Uganda, knows every move in the game. After all, he has been supping at the CIA trough for years.
What is going on in Central Africa is a fine old game of ping pong, the new scramble for Africa, in which western intelligence (American CIA, British MI6, Belgian intelligence, Israeli Mossad) are playing both sides of the table.
The aim is to destabilize the entire region so effectively that most of it can be effectively controlled under the disguise of the usual humanitarian mission. The vast mineral reserves (copper, diamonds, gold, uranium, and oil, for starters) can then he handed on a plate to western exploiters.
This is a direct continuation of the CIA/MI6/Belgian/Mossad promotion of the Katanga breakaway state back in the 1960′s. The western powers encouraged their local stooge Moise Tschombe to pull out of the freshly independent ex-Belgian Congo.
The prime minister of the Congolese Republic, Patrice Lumumba, was murdered in 1961 with the complicity of US and Belgian Special Forces.
Dag Hammarskjöld, iconic second secretary of the UN, died when his plane came down in the Rhodesian veldt on the 18th of September 1961, a couple of days after Lumumba was assassinated. He was on his way to negotiate a truce with the Katangese rebels.
Hammarskjöld was committed to official UN policy (opposed behind the scenes by the US, the UK and Belgium) to re-integrate the Congo.
His UN jet was seen by witnesses to have been shown by another plane circling close by. British and Rhodesian intelligence made sure the subsequent inquiry scrubbed out any compromising evidence.
The famous Entebbe Raid of 1976, ostensibly to rescue passengers on board a hi-jacked Israeli air liner diverted to Uganda, was a cover story for Mossad to punish its former lackey, dictator Idi Amin. Israel had been his main financial backer until he became too greedy.
He turned to Islam and the Entebbe incident followed not long afterwards. Amin fled the country in 1979.
A hundred US trainers heading for Uganda may not sound LIKE much but remember that was how the Vietnam imbroglio kicked off.
The colonial rape of Africa is a version of the Strategy of Tension devised by western intelligence and NATO back in the 1970′s and 80′s, in order to cow western electorates into supporting strong anti-communist right wing governments.
NATO’s Gladio secret armies terrorized innocent civilians with bombs and bullets, synthetic violence attributed to urban Marxist-orientated guerillas like the Red Brigades in Italy and Germany’s legendary Baader-Meinhof gang.
In fact these organizations were largely manipulated from within by western intelligence.
So now you get the Joseph Kony picture.
It’s the same old story.
Richard Cottrell is a writer, journalist and former European MP (Conservative). His new book Gladio: NATO’s Dagger At The Heart Of Europe is coming shortly from Progressive Press.


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kony and invisible children are evil as fuck

‎"Uganda and the LRA have been in peace for more than 7 years

“Invisible Children” is boycotted by many Ugandans who accuse it of accepting bribes from the government

“Invisible Children” never mentions the atrocities committed by the Ugandan government against its people

25% of what you donate actually makes it to children. Last year, the organization spent $8,676,614. Only 31% went to their charity program. They did give donations to the people that are leading the charity and to filmmakers.

The directors of the charity won’t disclose how their money is being allocated

The directors won’t associate with other Ugandan charity organizations around the world.

The group in in favour of direct military intervention, which in the past has actually caused the death of a lot of children in retaliation. They also want to use the Ugandan Army to do this, which has its own history of rape and looting Ugandan people that the charity is fully aware of but is supporting them regardless.

Other ways you can help:

http://www.americanprogress.org/issu...ony_report.pdf

http://www.amnestyusa.org/research/r...2011?page=show

http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/c.../africa/uganda

http://www.democracynow.org/search?q...&commit=Search

http://www.hrw.org/news/2011/05/23/u...ans-lra-abuses

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...d/para/lra.htm
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........ex-choir boy, brilliantly flexible break dancer, the new us terrorist poster boy.......
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this group has got the world watching them now, it will be interesting to see what happens. i guess annon will have to start making some moves.
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....... from my sources i cant see they have a problem with them
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KONY 2012 is a film and campaign by Invisible Children that aims to make Joseph Kony famous, not to celebrate him, but to raise support for his arrest and set a precedent for international justice.

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kony is evil

and invisble children are wrong.. a charity/ngo that promotes war??
gives weapons??

really? nothing wrong hehe

immortal will change his views once he has researched how evil invisble children are..

nothing better than accounts from a public company :d
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moar to this....

http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/co...picious_about/

^^ please check link, to much to copypasta


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the visible problem with invisible children

2 11 2006 Invisible Children (IC) swept the university campuses of America last year. The group wanted to mobilize college students to be aware of what happened in Uganda in recent years, the atrocious acts of Joseph Kony and his rebel group, the Lord’s Resistance Army (LRA). I heard about Invisible Children for the first time when I was researching Uganda. I was immediately fascinated by their website. It’s very well done, but I noticed one thing. It lacked real information. If you haven’t seen the film or know nothing about their purpose, let me catch you up to speed with my version. Three clueless college kids head to Sudan with no plans and no idea about what they’re going to find. They’re looking for a “story”. They leave Sudan and make their way into Uganda. They find some bad stuff going on there. So they made a MTV-esque DVD about what was happening there. They wanted to draw attention to what they found.
So far, this sounds good. However, there is a major, major problem. I’m going to compare what IC is doing to an analogy that I thought of this past summer when I was Uganda thinking about this issue. Imagine that today you heard about what happened in NYC and Washington DC on September 11, 2001 for the first time. You were shown a video of footage from that day. You saw the planes hit the towers, you heard President Bush’s address, you saw the Pentagon wreckage, you watch in horror as you see people plunge to their death, jumping from the burning towers. Now imagine that you are inspired by this disaster. You want to something to help. What if you went to NYC today, expecting to see piles of rubble to clean up? What if you went, expecting that there would be thousands of people in the streets crying, looking for loved ones? But what would happen when you arrived and discovered that there was none of this, but a whole host of other problems?
And back to Uganda. Uganda is no longer experiencing violence from the LRA. Yes, I said it. It’s an uncomfortable truth, but it is a truth. For about the last year, since before IC hit the scene, Kony and his troops have been pushed into Congo, into the Garamba National Forest there. He’s sick, starving, and on his last legs. For the first time, Uganda is in the middle of real peace talks and the rebels have laid down their arms and are assembling to make peace. Why? This is happening because Joseph Kony was defeated. The Uganda People’s Defense Force (UPDF) has beaten them back and Kony was sitting in Congo starving to death. Since March 2002, the UPDF has been allowed to carry out raids against the LRA into Southern Sudan and has even crossed into Congo, to the distress of most of the African community. Nonetheless, Operation Iron Fist, as this military offensive was called, has freed many child soldiers and sex slaves and brought them back to Uganda. The rebels again became very violent in 2003, but since 2004, the Ugandan government has been repeatedly beating the rebels and weakening them. Uganda is no longer allowed to enter Sudan or Congo to fight the LRA.
Invisible Children was founded in 2004, with the film crew filming in Uganda in 2003. Watching Invisible Children is watching old news. Will watching it alert you to what has occurred in Uganda? Yes, but it will not let you know what is happening there today.
Invisible Children is too late. It has taught us that MTV type media can get university students interested in a world crisis, the problem is it took too much time. Night commuting, outlined as one of the major problems in northern Uganda by the film, is practically non-existent now. Why? Peace is coming to the region. According to UN reports, children who still are commuting at night are not doing it because of safety concerns, but because they want to enjoy the amenities that NGO’s are offering in the towns, like Gulu, Kitgum, and Lira. At the peak of the commuting, there were between 30,000 and 40,000 children commuting. Now, estimates are below 10,000.
The scars of the 20 year conflict are everywhere in northern Uganda. I walked through internally displaced person (IDP) camps. I smelled, I listened, I saw, I touched, I tasted. I experienced Uganda. I saw people whose lives had been radically changed. I placed my hands on a woman whose lips had been cut off by the LRA. I walked with children whose parents had been killed. I sat on the foundation of a hut burned down by the LRA. I talked with people whose relatives had been abducted. I walked over land guarded by the UPDF. The landscape, the people, and the country itself has an immense burden to deal with.
Uganda has problems today. Their government is ridden with corruption. There are people still living in fear in IDP camps, afraid that violence will again return to their land. The education system is inadequate and many do not have the chance to go to school. For those who do work their way through the school system, there is a good chance that there will not be a job for them when they get even a university degree. Why doesn’t anyone want to do something about these problems? Why will thousands of people participate in IC’s Global Night Commute but not take the time to actually find out what is going on in Uganda today?
There have been many inspired to do more than just watch a DVD and sleep downtown for a night. However, that’s where we run into another problem. This summer, IC had a bunch of college students in northern Uganda wasting time and money. There were almost 30 people who were in Uganda this summer connected with IC and even more who were inspired to change the world and fly around it. That also sounds somewhat heart warming. Self centered American kids are flying around the world to change it. The catch is they don’t know what they are doing or where they are going. They are blindly making a problem worse by throwing thousands of dollars at something they don’t understand.
When I traveled into Southern Sudan, you could sense something was different there. There is a greedy spirit there that you can feel. Foreign aid had ruined South Sudan. People do not want to work, they want handouts. An entire generation has been cared for by the UN and other NGO’s. They are fed, clothed, protected, and sent to school without having to do anything. I walked through the market there and saw UNICEF tarps and blankets for sale. I could also buy Samaritan’s Purse shoe-boxes, filled with all sorts of American goodies. I thought back how I thought it was a good idea for me to send a shoebox filled with soap, toothpaste, bouncy balls, and a washcloth to a faraway land. What I realize now is that sending things, whether money, objects, or people to a place that I have no information on is a bad idea.
The problems that Uganda faces today cannot be fixed by hundreds of uneducated Westerners going there to “help”. As you read this article, think about how much you really know about the political situations in Uganda and throughout Africa that contribute to long lasting problems.
Africa as a whole needs to break free from foreign aid. Almost half of Uganda’s yearly budget is made up of foreign aid. I think that many of Uganda’s problems stem from its reliance on foreign support. If you want to read more on that, check out a Ugandan journalist named Andrew Mwenda. The aid to African nations is increasing the corruption there and encouraging these nations to continue this dependence on foreign nations and it does not encourage them to become totally self sufficient. When asked what rich nations should do to help Africa, Mwenda said,
So what is the solution? I’ve now written the first negative article I can find about Invisible Children. I also have suggested that we should think about cutting foreign aid and debt relief to African nations.
If you’ve seen the old news that Uganda has to offer and are disturbed, I encourage you to do some research and find out what is really going on in Uganda. I spent months before I went to Uganda researching the country. I talked to many people on the phone or with Skype, I emailed countless others, I read books, I monitored the news. If you want to find out what the situation is really like, find out. Don’t blindly fly yourself to a developing country like a Western idiot. I would also suggest finding out more about organizations that you support that work in foreign countries. Find out what their relationships are like with the local people and find out how they are grooming local people to take over their group. No aid organization should plan to be somewhere forever. If they do, they are not focused on solving the problem they are there to address.
Do not be fooled by slick video editing. Sleeping outside in downtown Pittsburgh will not help anyone who is still night commuting in northern Uganda. Perhaps you are now aware that there is a problem, perhaps you know that there is more to this world than just your country, your state, and your little hometown. What you may not know is that the US government is not going to get involved if it doesn’t benefit the American people. Remember Rwanda? It is up to you to figure out how to deal with this knowledge and the knowledge that your warm and fuzzy thoughts are not going to be the solution to this.
As of today, Uganda is still in a tedious peace process with the LRA, with both sides accusing each other of violating peace agreements. The good news is that they are still in the peace process and they’re doing it without the help of a foreign country that will attempt to benefit from the talks. Instead, using Rick Machar and South Sudan is helping to build ties with all those in that region. The LRA and the UPDF have now signed a second peace accord and hopefully this one will result in successful peace.
As I have written this over the past couple of months, I’m disappointed that I cannot offer a real solution to this problem. I wish that I had the answers for Uganda and those of you who are interested in doing something to help the people there. Unfortunately, I feel that I have done little more than to highlight problems there and then problems with our response to their problems. I learned so much while I was there, but I still have a lot that I can learn.
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Lol. How fucking coincidental. I tried to post up the link to the tumblr where the sources are for that article soul and when I pressed enter, a security check came up.
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yeah fb are banning that link.,. lololol
which makes it even more dodgey.,

i has more links!

another pasta, from one of my friends: "Everyone jumping on the Kony bandwagon, listen up.

Your efforts are great and all, but there's a reason this is happening. That reason is big governments have their own vested interests and reasons for leaving this guy in power...or not giving a damn about Uganda, where he started, or the Democratic Republic of Congo, Central African Republic, and South Sudan where he's active now.

He get's his weapons from somewhere, and the top 3 arms producers in the world are amongst the only 5 permanent members of the United Nations security council.

In 2005 he was declared a war criminal...but spent the next two years meeting various countries presidents, and even members of the United Nations asking for aid dollars.

...and call me a pessimist, but donating half your paycheck to this cause really isn't going to do much. Save half a paycheck for a year then go volunteer in the medical care centers that care for the kids after they've been spat out by Kony's system. Or hell, volunteering at your LOCAL family shelter.

Also, the Ugandan millitary is using this entire Kony campaign as a weak excuse to cross borders and steal resources from other countries. Like diamonds,and timber. Fun fact is the Ugandan army also has a history of leaving high HIV rates in communities behind them wherever they go, you do the math.

America only commited special forces to the hunt when Kony started getting close to US-Owned diamond mines. They sent 100 "combat equipped" troops (note, not special forces), as of last October. Oh yeah, but those soldiers are not to get into fights themselves, but only provide "advice and training".

Kony's got his head on the chopping block...but he's only one example of entire countries full of corrupt commanders in that region. With Kony as the lead "get him now" figure, thousands of dollars of aid are flooding into various communities to the point where local leaders there are LETTING KONY'S FIGHTERS GO when captured, because they don't want the aid dollars to stop.

And y'all playing right into their little money making schemes. Even if "Invisible Children" is legit...guarantee you a very, very small fraction of your donations will even make it into any of those countries.

So, how can you help. Raise hell, online, contact politicians, volunteer for various organisations that lobby for change. But sending more dollars to the conflict or donating your paycheck for a few weeks while "everyones talking about it" is pretty damn cheap.

And if you talk about running a club night to "raise awareness" for something like this, I might actually punch you in the face. The last thing we need to honour dying child soldiers in Africa is a Jagerbomb while the latest Skrillex remix is dropping. That's cheap.

I'd say if you are really serious about "The children zomg", go volunteer at your local cities family shelter. Or anywhere, really. There's enough people that need your help right here, where you can make a real, tangible difference. Immediately. Or ask Invisible Children what you can do on a local scale to help, like put up posters. But I'm not sure just donating half your paycheque...while still having enough time to buy the latest skinny jeans, or plaster yourself in maybelline on the weekend...is #legit.

You want to pretend this is the end of the world and deserves your full support? Start acting like it. Facebook doesn't cut it, and $$$ won't help.


and http://seet.weebly.com/1/post/2012/0...kony-2012.html


Concerning KONY 2012 03/07/2012
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It must be stopped. We have to stop this madness. This KONY 2012 campaign is spreading like wildfire and no one is taking a step back to evaluate the situation. People jump onto the bandwagon and let that bandwagon decide for themselves. Do you have any idea who the Invisible Children charity are? Do you know anything about Joseph Kony? In this blog post I will provide for you another point of view and hopefully systematically argue my case for why KONY 2012 is not a good thing. All I ask you to do is keep an open mind and listen to a perspective that is not trodden on usually.

The aim


My job here is to present to you FACTS and FIGURES that will show you a new perspective into the whole KONY 2012 campaign. I will present to you an argument, followed by a fact and usually a citation from a reliable source. This is all arranged into an easy bite-sized chunk.

#1 - invisible Children Inc

The organization behind it all. The filmmakers and main driving force behind the event. Let's proceed to break it down. A small amount of research can easily reveal just the surface of the corruption that occurs in the Invisible Children Inc charity organization. So here are the facts that make this organization dodgy:

1) The "charity" organization has refused all request to be examined and evaluated as a charity organization. They have declined the Better Business Bureau numerous requests to examine their facilities and functional system. What kind of legitimate charity organization refuses to get audited? The incentive of reliability and therefore potential support is enough for ANY legitimate charity to want to be audited. The only reason why you would refuse dozens of requests to be evaluated is because you are HIDING something. Do you think the Red Cross denies all their evaluators? Of course not, use some common sense.

2) If we look at the salary of the Charity CEO's, one finds some shocking numbers!

Let's take a Charity like WorldTeach. My folks know the charity well, and they donate frequently to the organization. A quick look at Charity Navigator shows that the only salary of note is of the CEO's and it is $41,846. Not bad right?

Now, contrast this with Invisible Children's salaries of notability:

$88,241 - Ben Keesey Chief Executive Officer

The salary is DOUBLED of what WorldTeach is, not only that, it's about to get a fuckload more terrible. The Invisible Children's Charity not only pays the CEO $88,000, there are also two other "co-founders" that get paid just as much:

$89,669 - Jason Russell Co-Founder - Filmmaker
$84,377 - Laren Poole Co-Founder -Filmmaker

So this adds us to a total of $262,287! That's right. The notable salaries of Invisible Children amount to a QUARTER OF A MILLION split between three greedy fucks. Compare this with WorldTeach. WorldTeach not only has only 1 notable salary on the charity list, but it is a mere 41,846 dollars. The notable salary expenditure of Invisible Children is 400% more, at a whopping, $262,287 US dollars.

Lastly, here is a direct quote from the Visible Children blog:

Invisible Children has been condemned time and time again. As a registered not-for-profit, its finances are public. Last year, the organization spent $8,676,614. Only 32% went to direct services (page 6), with much of the rest going to staff salaries, travel and transport, and film production. This is far from ideal, and Charity Navigator rates their accountability 2/4 stars because they haven’t had their finances externally audited. But it goes way deeper than that.

Source:
http://www.charitynavigator.org/inde...ry&orgid=12429
#2 We're fighting in uganda?


The official statement of Invisible Children as a charity is as follows:

"invisible children is a movement seeking to end the conflict in Uganda and stop the abduction of children for use as child soldiers."

There's a problem. According to Wikipedia, the LRA disbanded in Uganda in 2006. While they have done some slight expansion into Central Africa, logistically and infrastructural-wise, at least 90% of Invisible Children's operations happen in Uganda. It is logistically impossible for someone so entrenched in Uganda to be a main flag-carrier for a terrorist campaign that is down in SOUTH SUDAN. Invisible Children is a Uganda based organization and since they have been rid of Joseph Kony in Uganda for 7 years now, what are they still doing campaigning something that is not their problem? The essence of it lies in incentives (thank you Freakonomics). And that is money.

Source:
http://ilto.wordpress.com/2006/11/02...ible-children/
#3 Fighting violence with violence


Invisible Children's main organization is aimed at military engagement and intervention of Joseph Kony's army. The thousands of people who are campaigning for Kony's PROSECUTION have no idea what consequences might follow their actions. The key word here is PROSECUTION. Prosecution of Joseph Kony means DIRECT MILITARY ENGAGEMENT.


Above is an ACTUAL photo from Grant Oyston showing the Filmmakers of and members of the KONY 2012 movement and hence the Invisible Children movement posting with AK-47's and RPG's. Yes, everybody, this is your beloved organization. Close your eyes right no-, wait then you won't be able to read this. OKAY, CLOSE ONE EYE right now and imagine the millions of lives that will be lost in a direct confrontation against Kony's army. Imagine the bloodshed. This is what you are campaigning for. Like I said before, the only way to prosecute Kony is through military intervention. Is this what you really want?

I will end this point by appealing to common sense. Obama sent 100 specialized troops to attempt to deal with the Joseph Kony uprising. And you know what were their orders? They were NOT allowed to engage in direct combat. If you don't wan to believe me, believe the president of the United States. The US could storm in right this moment and take Kony along with a couple of tens of millions of lives of innocent children. But they don't. You know why? Because they know better, and you should to. Is this really what you're supporting?

#4 What are you saving the people from?


It's easy for you to point fingers from the perspective of a rich middle-class person, but when it comes down to it. When it comes down to the very essence of it, what are you saving the people from? Joseph Kony is a monster, but do you know WHAT the alternatives are? There's a reason why so many people have joined Kony and named him a visionary. Do you want to know the reason?

The alternative to Kony, living under the corrupt South Sudan government is even worse.

I would like to use the powers of History to help me out on this one. Hitler and the Weimar; why was Hitler so successful? Because things were even worse at the time. Things were bad, people were killing themselves and the great depression happened. Hence, the people got tired of living in that eternal state of misery and looked towards a new leader, and that was Hitler. Another example, Mao and the rural villagers; Mao came to prominence because life in China under the 國民黨 was so incredibly terrible that people were desperate for ANYTHING. The peasants were being exploited and Mao gained popularity because of how fucked up the situation is. The main theme here is that crazy revolutionaries like Mao, Kony, Hitler only get popular because the state that the people were living in prior to the revolutionary's prominence is just as unfavorable.

Do you realize how downtrodden places like South Sudan have to be in order for the people to be desperate enough to turn to Kony? You have no idea. You have no idea how weak the economy is, you have no idea how corrupt the Government is, and you have no idea how much pillaging and looting the other organizations do as well. Kony is not the only one. If Kony was prosecuted and the South Sudanese government would be held responsible for the direct management of Kony's remaining army. Let me now, present to you, how decentralized South Sudan is and hopefully you will realize you are not saving these people from ANYTHING.

1) South Sudan has the HIGHEST maternal mortality rate at 2,053.9 per 100,000 live births.
2) Infant mortality rate is 135.3 per 1,000. So many babies die in the area that I don't even think Kony could out-kill the infant deaths. IF Kony gets prosecuted, the THREE (yes there are only three, 500,000 per 1 doctor and a handful of surgeons) hospitals in South Sudan will find themselves even more overwhelmed and MANY, MANY MORE BABIES WILL DIE AS A RESULT.
3) Are you naive enough to believe that Kony is the only one killing? South Sudan for example, have problems that make Kony look like an insect. Tribal Killings this January in South Sudan document 120,000 deaths in one month. I don't think even Joseph Kony could come close to a tenth of that amount.

Source:
http://www.southernsudanmedicaljourn.../misc/SHHS.pdf

#5 - think


What I'm trying to say is that the people joined Kony for a reason. While I agree he is a monster, the underlying problems of nations like South Sudan show that the fickle and corrupt government is nowhere NEAR ready to handle a conflict as big as the prosecution of Joseph Kony. It pains me to say that I do not doubt that South Sudan will cease to exist if a military engagement the size that the Invisible Children are planning.

I am not saying that Kony is not an evil being, I am saying that the remedy that this "charity" claims is not only harmful, but it could potential be extremely virulent towards the stability of the African continent. For people who do not believe that this movement is more harm than good, I have one word for you. - HISTORY. I will now NUMEROUS examples of how INCREASE OPPOSITION, especially military intervention like the "charity" is planning acts as a catalyst towards the explosive popularity and success of a revolutionary (Shout out to the wonderful YONG JUN for helping me pick these historical events):

1) ENGLISH CIVIL WAR:
SCHOLARLY ARTICLE: Sharp, David (2000), England in crisis 1640–60, Oxford: Heinneman
GENERAL ARTICLE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Civil_War

2) FRENCH REVO:
SCHOLARLY ARTICLE: Donald Greer, The Incidence of the Terror during the French Revolution: A Statistical Interpretation (1935).
GENERAL ARTICLE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution

3) RUSSIAN REVO:
SCHOLARLY ARTICLE: Acton, Edward, Vladimir Cherniaev, and William G. Rosenberg, eds. A Critical Companion to the Russian Revolution, 1914–1921 (Bloomington, 1997).
GENERAL ARTICLE: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Revolution

4) INDONESIA-MALAYSIA:
SCHOLARLY ARTICLE: Conboy, Ken. 2003. ‘’Kompassus – Inside Indonesia’s Special Forces’’. Jakarta: Equinox Publishing.
GENERAL ARTICLE: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesia–Malaysia_confrontation

5) CHINESE CIVIL WAR:
SCHOLARLY ARTICLE: Schoppa, R. Keith. [2000] (2000). The Columbia Guide to Modern Chinese History. Columbia University Press. ISBN 0231112769.
GENERAL ARTICLE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Civil_War

TO EVERYONE WHO HAS A PROBLEM WITH ME CITING WIKIPEDIA:

Every Wikipedia article I linked is full of citations from scholarly BOOKS. For example, the article on the English Civil War has AT LEAST 300 citations to university and phd texts as evident in the citation. There is the conception that Wikipedia is unreliable, however that is only when there are no citations within the article. When the article is heavily cited as evident in ALL of my Wikipedia links, Wikipedia is one of the most reliable sources you can use as it provides a compendium of all scholarly articles into one concise article. I do understand that Wikipedia citations are somewhat unorthodox, but if you took even a second before criticizing, to look at the citations list of scholarly articles at the end of ALL the articles I've linked, you will find an amazing compendium of books that have been referenced.


Shall I continue?

Because practically every single revolution good or bad flourishes under intense opposition.

By supporting this movement, you are supporting a incredibly questionable "charity". A charity that totes guns around, posing with other militants while carrying rocket launchers. A charity where only 30% of the revenue go to actual relief work and where the net notable salary is 400% more than a normal charity. A charity that is so secretive and has so much to had that it has NEVER, EVER, let an official auditor examine them. A Charity that claims to fight a conflict in Uganda when it has ended 7 years ago. Thank you and please share and spread the knowledge.



6 - A final conclusion


My friend Yong Jun posted a beautiful, eloquent comment about the whole Kony situation, and with his permission, I am going to use it as my closing comment. (check him out at sevuolballare.weebly.com)

Wikipedia has, for such large pages, at least 50 reliable sources from universities and other acclaimed scholarly journals. I challenge you to find a page better cited. Wikipedia is unreliable for those tiny articles that about 5 people in the world is truly an expert about, and this again shows the bandwagon mentality of the inapt in thinking that Wikipedia cannot be trusted.

Was not the founding fathers of so many nations seen as such an evil being? Did the American founding fathers not slaughter, pillage and kill in order to create their Utopian society? Did Lenin not wage war against about 5 different armies and factions to reorganize Russia and improve its infrastructure and industry by a factor of 100 years? Did Mao not knock 50 years off China's state as a dark vortex of doom?

Machiavelli said "Hence it comes about that all armed Prophets have been victorious, and all unarmed Prophets have been destroyed." In a struggle for whatever ideal, sacrifices are inevitable, be it resources, wealth, a life or even entire armies. One that lives in a world that believes lives saved are always for the better is not only delusional but grossly misunderstands the workings of humanity.

Neither am I convinced that Kony is a Messiah for his people, alike to Mao or Lenin. However, the general ignorance at this topic, and the uproar it brought about is severely disheartening for one who sincerely wishes to love all humanity.

This cesspool of ignorance cannot continue. I am for an opposition to Kony, as every thesis requires and will have an antithesis. Please, however, make it intelligent.

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soul controller might have just bodied everything..i never trust shit..especially when it comes to how the west depicts my fucking motherland.
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serious question for yall and no disrespect meant cause ive had this convo with many people

but

do yall think if the Western nations took there hands out of Africa completely things would be different?

and im not talking if HAD stopped meddling in affairs, im talking right now. would it matter?
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well.. u have western state(european now usa) of mind and you haz african state of mind,,

go back 2000 years.. look at what africa achieved.. look at how civilised the peoples was.. look at how they lived at peace with the earth..


then look at europe and the white man..

your answer should be clear.
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