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Old 04-29-2012, 01:12 PM   #16
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watch the video i provided i nthe 1st post,, contains news footage from mainstream news channels: showing and proving drones are used daily
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Congress Passes Bill That Opens US Skies To Unmanned Drones


WASHINGTON (AP) — A bill to speed the nation's switch from radar to an air traffic control system based on GPS technology, and to open U.S. skies to unmanned drone flights within four years, received final congressional approval Monday.
The bill passed the Senate 75-20, despite labor opposition to a deal cut between the Democratic-controlled Senate and the Republican-controlled House on rules governing union organizing elections at airlines and railroads. The House had passed the bill last week, and it now goes to President Barack Obama for his signature.
The bill authorizes $63.4 billion for the Federal Aviation Administration over four years, including about $11 billion toward the air traffic system and its modernization. It accelerates the modernization program by setting a deadline of June 2015 for the FAA to develop new arrival procedures at the nation's 35 busiest airports so planes can land using the more-precise GPS navigation.
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Drones over U.S. get OK by Congress


Look! Up in the sky! Is it a bird? Is it a plane? It’s … a drone, and it’s watching you. That’s what privacy advocates fear from a bill Congress passed this week to make it easier for the government to fly unmanned spy planes in U.S. airspace.
The FAA Reauthorization Act, which President Obama is expected to sign, also orders the Federal Aviation Administration to develop regulations for the testing and licensing of commercial drones by 2015.
Privacy advocates say the measure will lead to widespread use of drones for electronic surveillance by police agencies across the country and eventually by private companies as well.
“There are serious policy questions on the horizon about privacy and surveillance, by both government agencies and commercial entities,” said Steven Aftergood, who heads the Project on Government Secrecy at the Federation of American Scientists.
The Electronic Frontier Foundation also is “concerned about the implications for surveillance by government agencies,” said attorney Jennifer Lynch.
The provision in the legislation is the fruit of “a huge push by lawmakers and the defense sector to expand the use of drones” in American airspace, she added.
According to some estimates, the commercial drone market in the United States could be worth hundreds of millions of dollars once the FAA clears their use.
The agency projects that 30,000 drones could be in the nation’s skies by 2020.
The highest-profile use of drones by the United States has been in the CIA’s armed Predator-drone program, which targets al Qaeda terrorist leaders. But the vast majority of U.S. drone missions, even in war zones, are flown for surveillance. Some drones are as small as model aircraft, while others have the wingspan of a full-size jet.
In Afghanistan, the U.S. use of drone surveillance has grown so rapidly that it has created a glut of video material to be analyzed.
The legislation would order the FAA, before the end of the year, to expedite the process through which it authorizes the use of drones by federal, state and local police and other agencies. The FAA currently issues certificates, which can cover multiple flights by more than one aircraft in a particular area, on a case-by-case basis.
The Department of Homeland Security is the only federal agency to discuss openly its use of drones in domestic airspace.
U.S. Customs and Border Protection, an agency within the department, operates nine drones, variants of the CIA’s feared Predator. The aircraft, which are flown remotely by a team of 80 fully qualified pilots, are used principally for border and counternarcotics surveillance under four long-term FAA certificates.
Officials say they can be used on a short-term basis for a variety of other public-safety and emergency-management missions if a separate certificate is issued for that mission.
“It’s not all about surveillance,” Mr. Aftergood said.
Homeland Security has deployed drones to support disaster relief operations. Unmanned aircraft also could be useful for fighting fires or finding missing climbers or hikers, he added.
The FAA has issued hundreds of certificates to police and other government agencies, and a handful to research institutions to allow them to fly drones of various kinds over the United States for particular missions.
The agency said it issued 313 certificates in 2011 and 295 of them were still active at the end of the year, but the FAA refuses to disclose which agencies have the certificates and what their purposes are.
The Electronic Frontier Foundation is suing the FAA to obtain records of the certifications.
“We need a list so we can ask [each agency], ‘What are your policies on drone use? How do you protect privacy? How do you ensure compliance with the Fourth Amendment?’ ” Ms. Lynch said.
“Currently, the only barrier to the routine use of drones for persistent surveillance are the procedural requirements imposed by the FAA for the issuance of certificates,” said Amie Stepanovich, national security counsel for the Electronic Privacy Information Center, a research center in Washington.
The Department of Transportation, the parent agency of the FAA, has announced plans to streamline the certification process for government drone flights this year, she said.
“We are looking at our options” to oppose that, she added.
Section 332 of the new FAA legislation also orders the agency to develop a system for licensing commercial drone flights as part of the nation’s air traffic control system by 2015.
The agency must establish six flight ranges across the country where drones can be test-flown to determine whether they are safe for travel in congested skies.
Representatives of the fast-growing unmanned aircraft systems industry say they worked hard to get the provisions into law.
“It sets deadlines for the integration of [the drones] into the national airspace,” said Gretchen West, executive vice president of the Association for Unmanned Vehicle Systems International, an industry group.
She said drone technology is new to the FAA.
The legislation, which provides several deadlines for the FAA to report progress to Congress, “will move the [drones] issue up their list of priorities,” Ms. West said.




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Congress Approves 30,000 Spy Drones Over America As US Police State Tightens

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Media Fails Us Once Again as US Police State Tightens With 24/7 Surveillance
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By Tim Watts
February 9, 2012
Once again, another shocking story that threatens the personal privacy of US citizens has been kept from us by our politicians and the mainstream media.
Did you know that a bill, HR 658, the FAA Air Transportation Modernization and Safety Improvement Act, has just passed both the House and the Senate that authorizes the use of 30,000 spy drones over America? Like the anti-Posse Comitatus NDAA legislation that passed in November, this bill was not widely reported by the mainstream media.
Do not feel bad for not knowing about this, because, similar to the anti-Constitutional NDAA legislation, they purposefully tried to hide this from the American public. The corporate controlled mainstream media was once again complicit and was an integral accessory in this crime against “We the People.” The corporate mainstream media failed us all miserably once again.
Think about the enormity of this for a second… 30-THOUSAND drones flying overhead surveilling the US. If you divide that by 50 states, that is 600 drones per state! Most states don’t have even have one-third of that in counties, so 600 drones, or more per state is a bit overwhelming. And considering that some states are very small, such as Rhode Island and Connecticut, it won’t take that many to spy on those diminutive territories, leaving far more drones to cover the larger states.
This is an outrage, plain and simple. If you’re not pissed off about this, you’ve got shit for brains. There is no good reason why we should have 24/7 surveillance of American citizens. Of course the advocates for creating this intensified police state will proffer that this is needed “to fight terrorism,” but let’s examine that issue for just a moment.
We’ve only had two successful acts of terrorism in the US, both happening well over ten years ago. It’s not like we’re under a constant monthly or weekly barrage of terrorism, at least not from foreign threats. We’ve been terrorized by our politicians and our media plenty, far more than we have from foreign entities. That’s an undeniable fact. Again, just look at the record.
We had the 9/11 attacks in 2001, and then shortly after we had the anthrax attacks. As we look at both of those events, there is an incredible amount of evidence that points to a false flag operation, state sponsored terrorism by rogue factions within our own government, blamed on a foreign entity. See the NewsFocus reports on the 9/11 attacks and the anthrax attacks.
These plots succeeded solely because of US officials and their dereliction of duty, yet our Constitution and “We the People’ are the ones who have been made to suffer. The highly flawed 9/11 Commission admitted as much.
Senator Mark Dayton excoriated the Commission panel over bald faced lies in their report that attempted to cover up the numerous failures of protocol on that fateful day. Our top officials failed to do their jobs on 9/11, yet no one was demoted in rank and no one was prosecuted for their egregious ineptitude. Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld all failed to act appropriately, and in fact, acted suspiciously outside the norm of their designated duties.
As far as the anthrax attacks go, they were actually tracked to a US military facility, at Ft. Detrick, Maryland. That’s right, the anthrax used in the attacks was made in a US Army lab. Once that story became public, they shifted their blame from foreign terrorists to designated patsies within the US defense structure. The story died immediately.
So, with all of this in mind, we have only had TWO “alleged” successful terrorist attacks in this country in eleven years time, and both were highly suspicious events that have been attributed to false flag attacks from rogue officials with the US government, yet for some reason, we keep passing law after law that rescinds our Constitution and Bill of Rights, to set up a virtual police state in the US.
Does this honestly make any sense to you?
For what it’s worth, we are actually fomenting terrorism with our highly bogus, bst War On Terror. We have formally invaded and brutally attacked three countries without provocation, Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya, plus we’re also bombing Pakistan and killing scores of innocent civilians there as well.
This reporter’s take is, TPTB are trying to escalate terrorism to justify their fascist takeover of the United States. They’re literally trying to piss off foreign entities to pick a fight. Again, they’re attempting to justify their assault on “We the People,” to establish a police state lockdown in America. This isn’t about fighting terrorism folks, it’s about keeping us under their heel, under a 24/7 watch.
Look at what’s happened in just the last few months… Congress passed the NDAA Act behind our backs, authorizing military use on US soil against American citizens. At the same time, President Obama has enacted the SIP, the Strategic Implementation Plan against domestic “extremism.”
If you speak out against the government for criminal activity, or for egregiously attacking our Constitution, you can legally be considered an extremist and a terrorist. Bad news for you, because now you can be hauled away and imprisoned for life, without a trial or your Habeas Corpus rights.
FEMA also has drawn up a new Contingency of Government plan that incorporates offensive military definitions and criteria that can be used against “We the People.” Add to this the fact that the FBI has enacted new absurd terrorism identifiers that make us all suspects. (Having more than seven days worth of food in your house makes you a terrorist suspect. Please see my three-part series on the NDAA legislation.)
What is most unusual about the vote for the new drones over America bill (HR 658) is it was very much a partisan vote, with Republicans being the primary supporters and Democrats staunchly voting against it. You can see the roll-call of votes below if you doubt this. The house vote was very close, with 223 yes votes and 196 no votes. Sadly there were 13 reps that decided not to vote on the bill.
The real curiosity is that the vote in the Senate was overwhelmingly in favor of the bill, with only 20 Senators voting no. Again, most of those voting no were Democrats. Still, how does the Senate vote highly in favor of such a horrific bill, when the House is nearly split down the middle? And once again, the partisanship absolutely baffles me.
I’m starting to think that maybe the research from the 2011 University College of London study is actually correct. They proffered that people tending to be conservatives have a much larger amygdala. Why does that matter?
According to the study, the larger the amygdala, the more susceptible the brain is to being scared. At face value that seems patently absurd to this reporter. Seriously, it sounds absolutely ridiculous, but in light of the recent vote on HR 658, I’m seriously beginning to wonder.
To be fair, there were some Democrats involved in the passage of this bill, such as the regular corporate shills, like Diane Feinstein, Barbara Boxer, and Carl Levin, but the support for HR 658 is far and away one-sided. That is disturbing to see. Again, it truly baffles this reporter, but I digress from the gist of this article.
If you think that having 30,000 drones over America is going to make us safer, you’ve been watching too much TV. How do these drones know who is traveling in a particular vehicle? How do they know if a sleeper cell has suddenly become active, or if a group has successfully infiltrated the country?
Would these drones have stopped the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing? Would they have stopped the 9/11 attacks? Would they have stopped the anthrax attacks? The answer to all three of these questions is a resolute NO, because US authorities were asleep at the wheel, or complicit in all three of those events.
So how will 30,000 drones over the US keep us safe from terrorism? Maybe a better question is, how might 30,000 drones be used to enforce a police state over American citizens. The latter is more chilling and offers far more possibilities for TPTB. This is quite disconcerting given the fact that during the latest census all of our homes were GPS’d.
The bill is worth $63.4 billion dollars, so it will be interesting to track the money on this one. Considering that we are in such a dire economic crisis, it is interesting that they deem it necessary to spend $63.4 BILLION dollars at this time.
Another disturbing thought, these drones can remain airborne for up to 50 hours at a time. What perils does this offer for air traffic safety, by adding 30-THOUSAND new aircraft to our skies? The FAA has nine months from the bill’s signing to submit a plan to safely allow access for the drones.
The fact that our corporate controlled mainstream media failed to report on this, as they failed to do with the NDAA legislation, ought to tell you that they are working with TPTB. No other conclusion can be made. They have been complicit and willing participants in these anti-Constitutional attacks on “We the People.”
This reporter advocates naming them as accessories to the crimes of state, for they are sharp enough to ferret out the real story, yet they refuse to do so.
One side note on HR 658… it also allows for GPS control and landing of aircraft. This is actually supposed to be the major impetus for the bill, with the drones as a secondary component. The GPS aspect is somewhat troubling because of the magnetic shifts that have been occurring on this planet.
The geomagnetic poles have undeniably been moving, so much so that airports have had to re-designate runway coordinates and adjust their GPS instrumentation. I would hope that with this in mind, they have implemented proper safeguards to account for this documented scientific anomaly.
In conclusion, it is very clear that a police state has descended upon America. If you doubt that, you have not been paying attention. The agenda for the New World Order has been furthered tremendously in the last decade since 9/11, and even more so in just the last year. NWO advocate Senator Jay Rockefeller said the bill is “the best news that the airline industry ever had. It will take us into a new era.”
You have to seriously ask yourself… with only TWO incidents of actual successful terrorist acts since 2000, why is our government moving recklessly with such EXTREME measures to counter a threat that does not present itself to us as on a daily, weekly, monthly, or even yearly basis?
George W. Bush absurdly said after 9/11 that the terrorists hated us for our freedoms. It would appear to this reporter that it is the powers that be who truly hate our freedoms. Foreign terrorists did not take our freedoms away. Our politicians and government officials have done that, and they did it because Americans were too lazy to pay attention to what has been going on in their own country.
We are the most overly entertained society the world has ever known. There is a reason for that. If you keep watching the boob tube and continue to ignore what our elected servants are doing to us all, pretty soon you will be watching “Amerikan Idol” and “Goosestepping Mit Der Stars.”
What is happening in America today is far worse than Nazi Germany. Just because you still get to watch the idiot box and shop at Wal-Mart does not mean that you are free.
Time to wake up America. It’s time for all good men (and women) to come to the aid of their country, while you still have the chance to do so.
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Tim Watts is a veteran San Francisco broadcaster with 25 years experience in the industry as an on-air talent, Program Director, and consultant. He is the creator and sole author of the websites NewsFocus.org, and TheAmericanTruthNetwork.com. He has been writing about U.S. corruption over the last decade, while also investigating 9/11 from the moment that the first tower fell. He has documented his 9/11 research on a website called A September Coup.
The History of the Legislation:HR 658 introduced on February 11, 2011 by Florida Representative John Mica.H.Res 189 introduced on March 30, 2011 by Florida Representative Daniel Webster.H.Res 533 introduced February 1, 2012 by Florida Representative Daniel Webster.S.223 introduced January 27, 2011 by West Virginia Senator John D. Rockefeller IV (Jay Rockefeller). The Library of Congress: Thomas Registry(Search HR 658)Items 1 through 4 of 41. [112nd] H.R.658 : FAA Air Transportation Modernization and Safety Improvement Act
Sponsor: Rep Mica, John L. [FL-7] (introduced 2/11/2011) Cosponsors (24)
Committees: House Transportation and Infrastructure; House Science, Space, and Technology; House Judiciary; House Homeland Security
House Reports: 112-29 Part 1, 112-29 Part 2; Latest Conference Report: 112-381 (in Congressional Record H230-304)
Latest Major Action: 2/8/2012 Presented to President.2. [112nd] H.RES.189 : Providing for consideration of the bill (H.R. 658) to amend title 49, United States Code, to authorize appropriations for the Federal Aviation Administration for fiscal years 2011 through 2014, to streamline programs, create efficiencies, reduce waste, and improve aviation safety and capacity, to provide stable funding for the national aviation system, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep Webster, Daniel [FL-8] (introduced 3/30/2011) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: House Rules
House Reports: 112-46
Latest Major Action: 3/31/2011 Passed/agreed to in House. Status: On agreeing to the resolution Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: 249 – 171 (Roll no. 205).
Latest Action: 3/31/2011 Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection.3. [112nd] H.RES.533 : Providing for consideration of the conference report to accompany the bill (H.R. 658) to amend title 49, United States Code, to authorize appropriations for the Federal Aviation Administration for fiscal years 2011 through 2014, to streamline programs, create efficiencies, reduce waste, and improve aviation safety and capacity, to provide stable funding for the national aviation system, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep Webster, Daniel [FL-8] (introduced 2/1/2012) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: House Rules
House Reports: 112-382
Latest Major Action: 2/3/2012 Passed/agreed to in House. Status: On agreeing to the resolution Agreed to by voice vote.
Latest Action: 2/3/2012 Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection. 4. [112nd] S.223 : FAA Air Transportation Modernization and Safety Improvement Act
Sponsor: Sen Rockefeller, John D., IV [WV] (introduced 1/27/2011) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: House Homeland Security
Latest Major Action: 2/17/2011 Passed/agreed to in Senate. Status: Passed Senate with amendments by Yea-Nay Vote. 87 – 8. Record Vote Number: 25.
Latest Action: 4/7/2011 See also H.R. 658.


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Demand that President Obama Veto H.R. 658 And Scrub WAASS



EMAND THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA VETO H.R. 658 AND SCRUB THE DHS WIDE AREA AERIAL SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM (WAASS) IT ENABLES

Known to the clueless as the "FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012", but recognized by the concerned as the "Skynet Surveillance Enabling Act of 2012", H.R. 658 is now hovering at the White House just one corporate fascist puppet presidential signature away from authorizing the filling of America's skies with as many as 30,000 "1984 Meets Terminator" Big Brother Police State citizen surveillance drones:

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We are calling on all Americans to click the "Submit a comment" link for H.R. 658 on this White House Pending Legislation page and demand that President Obama veto H.R. 658 and scrub the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Wide Area Aerial Surveillance System (WAASS) it enables:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-r...ng-legislation

As Breach of Oath carries no penalty for our elected officials in Washington, they are understandably more accountable to the global corporate fascist elite and Citizens United Super PACs who fund their campaigns than they are to the people who elect them. Consequently, as with NDAA 2012 Obama will most likely sign the bill regardless of whatever protests are raised. But at least we will have yet another documented instance of his collusion with Congress in the ongoing criminal Seditious Conspiracy that is transforming the American Republic into the Amerikan Reich at an ever-accelerating pace.

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peace style, well., technically.. the government, carries the will of the people,

going under the pre tense of democracy,, we can all do somthing about it,
the reason we are in this mess is, we havent done anything at all.. for over 40-50 years, we just been happily fooled with our mod con's, while those in power have stripped away at our very souls.


really being in europe, i dont worry i find it amusing, that the very weapons patriotic americans see their pride and joy, will be used on its own turf, Against its own peoples.. shit cant be more LULZ,

I guess i need to read the bill, but from what ive seen from alyona, aswell as internet videos is, that this bill is real, ill dig up the bill and post it up for everyone to read. again,, thier is everythign we can do. let your voices be heard, the more voices the more power.

no voices = no power, thus the tyranical regime continues on..

i totally agree with your 2nd paragraph. so much more stuff to focus positive energy on,. fuck a nwo indeed, they only have power when you give them yours. (not you directly. people in general)

you can learn about the confines of the system and adapt to live within itm but that doesnt mean you have to consent or be content with it

especially when its supposed to represent US.

the main reason i care so much about this is.

not cos of me, or peoples of my generation,
we've lived most of our lives in relative joy and happiness, with abundance of everything.

its for future generations, our kids kids, and their kids..


in the immortal words of.... MURS :|

' We dont own earth, we borrowed it from our children, the EASY way today is tomorrow that we are killing'

if people dont take control, what sort of future wiill the babys have?


peace.
from day one, we have never lived in a democracy. so i cant see where the gov is obligated to do anything . this is an opt-in prison. you want to enjoy all this fancy american shit? well there are consequences to that choice.

and i could have sworn that the UK was under heavy surveillance.
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and i could have sworn that the UK was under heavy surveillance.


LONDON is installing missile defense systems on the roofs of upscale apartment buildings for the Olympics. They also arent letting the audience photograph or even share any sort of recorded media to social networks.LOL olympic fail.

The event is also another excuse for them to up the ante of their current police state. Soul might have to go ham in his drum circle if he wants to prevent this and some changes.
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i agree we have never lived in a democracy,,, but thats what taught,, thats what this illisusion we live under where we have freedom of choice,, and to choose who we elect.. you might not see why the govt should do anything,, but the very meaning of democracy is.. the government do the peoples will, they have been elected for hte people,, by the people.. 'democracy'

its known as democracy,, but as we know.. its more like plutocracy/oligarchy

uk has the most cctv in the world,, but we dont have drones..

cctv cant shoot grenades.. or launch rockets..

indeed its a prison.. where the prisoners are the wardens..

guess there is nothing you/we can do when we are in an opt in prison..

just suck it up? and hope it dont get worse for our kids??

just be good subservient slave/citizens? is that what your saying??

if you want to life civilised (or what passes as being as civilised) we should just accept to be civilised without the illusion of choice??

i disagree.

thoughts create reality.. if people are gonan give up.. their is no reality.. if people use there thoughts to envision an create change..

govts cant stop them.
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Old 04-29-2012, 02:55 PM   #22
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Old 04-29-2012, 02:59 PM   #23
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LONDON is installing missile defense systems on the roofs of upscale apartment buildings for the Olympics. They also arent letting the audience photograph or even share any sort of recorded media to social networks.LOL olympic fail.

The event is also another excuse for them to up the ante of their current police state. Soul might have to go ham in his drum circle if he wants to prevent this and some changes.

i only visit loildon for protests, not a fan of rat runs.. most citys with heay populations are rat runs.. everyone is heartless and cold,
fiat based debt is their god.

the missile system is above a tower block in south east londons

the no sharing of video of olympics,, ie from smartphones is due to technology created by apple.. mainly.. lol some1 needs to hack into that feed.. so peoples can record.. not like i care..

noice how the olympic logo was deigned by hitler..

anyone know the esoteric meaning of the 5 rings?

what change do i want to prevent?

epic false flag is being lined up.. its pretty evident.. been so for years.. i recommend some rik clay...

we're not as big as a police state as america.. but the west is the west,,
its one big corporate state.. uk lost its sovriegnty with the treaty signed by ted heath in the early 80's

same as all the other eu countries.. same as the countries on the continent of america..

legal acts, have re shaped what we see as a country.,, but the people are to stupid to even understand what is happening..


teh sickest interview.. you will ever hear,, so indepth.. so many facts..

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Old 04-29-2012, 03:16 PM   #24
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